December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Trigger-Words...
by Elliot Lee 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, 29 Jan 1997 harka(a)nycmetro.com wrote: > Actually, I might not have chosen the correct words for what I > wanted... > I am looking for sniffer-programs, that analyze e-mail traffic on > the Net and filtering out all e-mails potentially interesting for > _intelligence services_. For example, I've heard, that if an e-mail > contains the words: "assassinate President" (DISCLAIMER: I hope, our > President lives a long and happy life, even after his > impeachment...:)), it will automatically get filtered and checked > out by the Secret Service. Everytime someone sends a message through White House web site to the president ( there is a comment form on the site ) it is scanned for keywords. It probably happens on other key avenues as well. Of course there are exceptions to every rule. I heard of a woman who wrote to Clinton something like: You are such a dynamite leader. I think you have such an explosive personality, and I'm dying to meet you. If you want to scan your E-mail, write a little perl script that takes a list of keywords to scan for, and the action to take when the keywords are found. It shouldn't be too hard. -- Elliot http://www.redhat.com/ "I'm a member of the Association of Federations of Linux Project Initiators That Never Really Get Much Done (AFLPITNRGMD, for short)." Just do it!

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Workaround for filtering/cybersitter
by Mark Rogaski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If I had experience with Netscape plugins and spare time, I'd try it myself. But here's my proposed solution. A plugin in Netscape intercepts all requests, encrypt the URL with a pubkey algorithm, encode the string base64, send it as GET input to a proxy server. The proxy server decodes and decrypts the URL, gets the requested page, and returns it. This beats out URL-based filtering. Still need to figure out the specifics of key-exchange. If we use 40-bit encryption, it's exportable, and it still works in our threat model (ie. we don't care if the watchers figure out the URL a few hours later). To beat out dropping packets with unacceptable pattern in them, we could use an SSL-based server as the proxy. The plugin could even have a nice little on/off switch and a list list of available proxies. mark -- [] Mark Rogaski || "Computers save time like kudzu [] [] wendigo(a)pobox.com || prevents soil erosion." [] [] http://www.pobox.com/~wendigo/ || - afcasta(a)texas.net [] [] >> finger for PGP pubkey << || []

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Re: Fighting the cybercensor
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hallam-Baker wrote: > > > I think that with the demise of Mr Bell and anyone running > a remailer there would be an end to his scheme pretty quickly. > > Society is not bound to put up with cranks and psychopaths. > there is no right to anonymously call for murder. The authorities > could easily stop Bells scheme. > > The point I was making is that it is not consistent as claimed. > Why, death of Jim Bell from his own murder machine is a very exciting, I would say a very Kafkian thing to happen. I am looking forward to it. I even think that Jim Bell would not oppose such an outcome that much, since his assination bot would be such an important invention for the humanity. Maybe it will reverse the course of world history! - Igor.

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Re: Best Computer School?
by Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ichudov(a)algebra.com writes: > moscow state university in russia is not bad also. > > they teach lots of theory... which is good. > > - Igor. > Do they have a master's program in computer science? :-) --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: PGP Key Preview...
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199701291511.HAA03682(a)toad.com>, on 01/29/97 at 07:28 AM, harka(a)nycmetro.com said: >Hi there, >is there a way to preview the contents of a received public key, >without adding it automatically to the public key ring? >Thanks a lot in advance... Yes, Say newkey.asc contains the new keys you wish to preview. Thye the following: pgp -kv newkey.asc It will display all the key info in that file. - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. Finger whgiii(a)amaranth.com for PGP Key and other info - ----------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: Air conditioned environment - Do not open Windows. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Registered E-Secure v1.1 0000000 iQCVAwUBMu++/49Co1n+aLhhAQEa/AP/b6LvLkII2itKK1L8kvOO7rk5qta3/7kV lbB1r+cSakVGBaCpjI1tq6TmWP4H6bhP1atZX1V/yGlg6cFJx8chy6jgx3JO0Ium 6qJGsBWhSentsJfiMan13uflDLVBJ9JSEy/II5EIzxHPR88UBokal3R/XkHpkjwt tOBF5Q9hFVU= =pgtD -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: Internet, Countries, Nationalism, etc.
by P.J. Westerhof 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 20:06 27-01-97 -0500, Hettinga wrote: >At 7:39 pm -0500 1/26/97, blanc wrote: >>p.s. I be femme > ^^^^^^^^^^ > >Franconics... Or Lesbonics of course, Skol, Peter _________________________________________________________ P.J. Westerhof LL.D e-mail P.J.WESTER(a)NGI.NL | Computerlaw voice +31-347-375400 | Legal informatics fax/data +31-347-375400 | IT - consultancy Web: www.ngi.nl/cr/ | Soaring _________________________________________________________

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Re: exporting stego
by Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[I've been taking my equipment apart and rearranging it, hence the silence] Syntel <syntelsi(a)ix.netcom.com> writes: > Just a quickie, > Does the present ITAR / DoC regulations cover the export of Steganography pro > thanks > Steveo EAR covers all security software, including even virus checkers. Of course the gubmint is irrelevant and should be soundly ignored. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Getting into MIT is impossible
by Phillip M. Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous <nobody(a)REPLAY.COM> wrote in article <5cndl2$89k(a)life.ai.mit.edu>... > "The only thing I didn't have that the next MIT applicant had was money. I > made the mistake of letting them know that I was dirt poor and would need > full aid/grants/etc, and to quote "The Great Escape" it was "Zzzt! To the > Russian front!"" > > My guess is that "other factors" were involved. Inevitably since the admissions tutors would not have known the means of the parents. Thats the whole idea of "needs blind" admissions. The admissions people could not give a damn about means. The alumni that are most likely to make donnations are those who made it from scratch in any case. > I noted with some interest, but little surprise, that the guy claiming MIT > required a 4.0 GPA and a 1600 combined SAT score could barely spell, and > had major problems making a coherent point. Methinks this is why MIT > rejected him, not his lack of a "1600." Possible but remember that dyslexia is not an indicator of intelligence. The director of the Media Lab is dyslexic. Certainly if you think that being taught in a particular operating system is important you should probably try elsewhere. Depending on which classes you take you could end up using UNIX, Windows or Genera. The main advantage of UNIX is that it is reasonably compact and we have full sources which means that people can be set operating system projects. Windows NT is much too large for that although it does have many interesting APIs that make it usefull for teaching application level stuff. I would imagine that there will be people interested in NextStep for Apple too, Tim-B-L was always a Next person, but he learnt how to use it because he had an open mind. If he had thought that nothing could be better than what he had already he would still be using CERN-VM. If someone can't cope with an unfamilliar O/S they probably shouldn't be an engineer at all. An O/S is only one large software system a grad needs to deal with. They have short lifetimes, rarely being dominant for more than a decade. Phill

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Re: Libel & the 1st Amendment
by Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

nobody(a)huge.cajones.com (Huge Cajones Remailer) writes: > At 10:46 AM 1/29/1997, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > * Many 1st Amendment experts don't believe in the legal concept of > > libel. It is, they say, a rich man's game -- if I'm libeled by the > > NYT, I'm probably not going t be able to sue them, but Donald Trump > > can. Moreover, if I don't have the resources to sue but the > > statement is libelous, it creates a *presumption* in the minds of > > the readers that the article is certainly true. (If it were not, I > > would have sued, right?) > > The wealthy also use libel suits to suppress dissent. Greg's point > that poor people aren't worth suing is only true if the motivation is > financial. Often it is not. Conveniently, many of those whose > silence is desired are among the petty bourgeouis and have a net worth > of roughly $50,000. Enough to make the suit appear legitimate, but > not enough to allow the target to brush off the legal fees, if they > win the case. > > Consider also the artificial distinction between private and public > figures. It is easier for a private figure to sue for libel. Yet, > the most influential people in the country are private figures. > Reporters must tread very carefully when covering the activities of > these people. Thus, we hear little of them. > > It would be interesting to know when libel law was first introduced to > the United States. Does anybody know? > > John Peter Zenger Libel laws were inherited from good old England together with most of common law. When I was studying con law, I remember the very interesting precedent establishing that truth is a defense in a libel suit. Anyone remember the name? --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: East German Collapse (Was: Fighting the cybercensor
by Phillip M. Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Rich Graves <rcgraves(a)disposable.com> wrote in article <5cnvpf$jeu(a)life.ai.mit.edu>... > Hallam-Baker wrote: > > > > One point I had forgotten. The demonstration took place > > on the 50th anniversary of Kristallnacht. This is one explanation > > as to why the border guards did not attempt to open fire with > > firearms or attempt to break up the demonstration with tear gas. > > I think the timing was a coincidence. (And I'm told that Kristallnacht > wasn't well advertised in East Germany; especially after the Soviets > sided the United Arab Republic, the official story was that Hitler had > been exterminating good Communists, not Jews.) This differs from my information. In point of fact the Nazis _did_ exterminate communists. At the time of Kristalnacht it was the communists who were the more direct target because they had places in the Riechstag. It was by imprisoning the communist deputies that the Nazis were able to take power and pass the enabling act. Portraying the Nazis as uniquely persecuting Jews is simply not supported by the facts. The Jews were the largest group of those persecuted but not the only group. Gypsies had less support in other countries. Other groups were persecuted for opposition rather than who they were but the numbers of murders were still large. This is one reason why the Catholic church established a convent inside Aushwitz where it is estimated that about a quarter of a million Catholics were murdered. Quite what one is then to make of appeasement by the Papacy at the time is beyond me... I don't think it points to any great moral or spiritual stand. > They gave him a gun and put him on the front, where he waved to his > friends as they walked across the border. > > I think a lot of the border guards were like Thomas. Shades of Machiavelli's description of the mercenaries union in the 1500s. Basically you could hire yourself an army but they weren't keen on there being much killing. > Yeah, yeah. Economics has something to do with it. But I think it comes > down to "Sure, I'll carry a gun, and I'll go where you tell me to go, > but I will not hurt anyone." Ideas matter. Absolutely! Phill

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Bruce "Penis With a Blister on it" Taylor strikes again...
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 17:19:03 -0800 Reply-To: Law & Policy of Computer Communications <CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> Sender: Law & Policy of Computer Communications <CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> From: Robert Cannon <cannon(a)DC.NET> Subject: Members of Congress file CDA Amici Curiae Brief To: CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM Approximately 22 members of Congress filed an Amici Curiae brief with the Supreme Court in Reno v. ACLY, the constitutional challenge to the Communications Decency Act (this makes three known briefs filed so far in support of the CDA). The brief was filed on behalf of, among others, Exon, Coats, Helms, Grassley, Hyde, and Goodlatte. It was written by Bruce Taylor and Cathleen A. Cleaver. This brief can be accessed at http://www.cdt.org/ciec/SC_appeal/970121_Cong_brief.html Litigation update page: www.cais.net/cannon/cda/cda-up.htm --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "The cost of anything is the foregone alternative" -- Walter Johnson The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://www.ai/fc97/ "If *you* don't go to FC97, *I* don't go to FC97"

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News report RE:RSA Data Security Conference, pointer
by aaron＠herringn.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Report on RSA data security conference. Mentions 'Legislation in Congress could ban mandatory key storage', anyone know what they're referring to? http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,7437,00.html

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RE: Internet, Countries, Nationalism, etc.
by P.J. Westerhof 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 20:06 27-01-97 -0500, Hettinga wrote: >At 7:39 pm -0500 1/26/97, blanc wrote: >>p.s. I be femme > ^^^^^^^^^^ > >Franconics... Or Lesbonics of course, Skol, Peter _________________________________________________________ P.J. Westerhof LL.D e-mail P.J.WESTER(a)NGI.NL | Computerlaw voice +31-347-375400 | Legal informatics fax/data +31-347-375400 | IT - consultancy Web: www.ngi.nl/cr/ | Soaring _________________________________________________________

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Re: Cats Out of Bags
by sameer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

David Aaron seems to make lying out of his ass a hobby. His talk at the RSA conference was such a load of bullshit it wasn't even funny. "Other governments were upset with the 56-bit export allowance. They said it was going to undermine their national security." -- Start of PGP signed section. > "In an interview Tuesday, [David L.] Aaron [the Feds' Crypto Ambassador] disputed the industry's view that the U.S. efforts to control cryptographic technology are being outstripped by the pace of the technology. > > "When I talk to other governments," he said, "they still don't feel that the cat is out of the bag." > > What the fuck do *they* know? > > DCF -- End of PGP signed section, PGP failed! -- Sameer Parekh Voice: 510-986-8770 President FAX: 510-986-8777 C2Net http://www.c2.net/ sameer(a)c2.net

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Bruce "Penis With a Blister on it" Taylor strikes again...
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 17:19:03 -0800 Reply-To: Law & Policy of Computer Communications <CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> Sender: Law & Policy of Computer Communications <CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> From: Robert Cannon <cannon(a)DC.NET> Subject: Members of Congress file CDA Amici Curiae Brief To: CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM Approximately 22 members of Congress filed an Amici Curiae brief with the Supreme Court in Reno v. ACLY, the constitutional challenge to the Communications Decency Act (this makes three known briefs filed so far in support of the CDA). The brief was filed on behalf of, among others, Exon, Coats, Helms, Grassley, Hyde, and Goodlatte. It was written by Bruce Taylor and Cathleen A. Cleaver. This brief can be accessed at http://www.cdt.org/ciec/SC_appeal/970121_Cong_brief.html Litigation update page: www.cais.net/cannon/cda/cda-up.htm --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "The cost of anything is the foregone alternative" -- Walter Johnson The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://www.ai/fc97/ "If *you* don't go to FC97, *I* don't go to FC97"

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News report RE:RSA Data Security Conference, pointer
by aaron＠herringn.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Report on RSA data security conference. Mentions 'Legislation in Congress could ban mandatory key storage', anyone know what they're referring to? http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,7437,00.html

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Re: Fighting the cybercensor
by drose＠azstarnet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Phill" wrote: >Society is not bound to put up with cranks and psychopaths. Err, "Phill", how then do you see yourself fitting in?

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17 Dec '03

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RE: Fighting the cybercensor
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:15 PM 1/28/97 -0800, Steve Schear wrote: >I think a hole in your thinking is to assume that the assasins have no >motive other than financial gain. I would submit that there are those that >have the skills, training and a political agenda coherent with the >wagerers, lacking only the financial incentive to make the risks >acceptable. These wetworkers won't consider accepting the bribe of the >rich/powerful This may be true, but the example was to show how easy a defensive line could be thrown up around the powerful. For example, conventional body guards could be included, ones with no real pay but with the fore knowledge that they will be buried with the tyrant. These body guards could be ten children out of each local village. Merely a human shield. In an attack, they would scatter, but the parents would know that the children would die if a successful action were taken against the tyrant. Also, the tyrant could put an open bounty on anyone caught trying to harm him. Just bring the decapitated head of the assassin along with a VHS cassette of the attempted action for a big reward. By layering the defenses, it becomes increasingly difficult for anyone to get through. Obviously the castles walls are the first line of defense, so a reward is given for anyone caught using any entrance to the fortress except those that are provided. The household is told that their participation will result in the extermination of their families. They are then told that if they know of an impending action and fail to report it or attempt to stop it, they are considered party it those actions. A human shield of innocents is "given the privaledge to live in the fortress with our great leader" so that actions by concerned parties is limited further. A standing bounty is placed on the head of the assassin, who so ever brings in the head of the assassin and all children parented by that person after the assination will be given a reward of some set sum. Probably 110%. A bounty is set on security breaches, this bounty would probably be 110% of the death mark on the tyrant. A series of more conventional boobytraps are layed in normally inaccessable areas, the layers of these either being prisoners who have unknowningly been condemned to die, the tyrant himself, or some other disposable or trustable deployment device. The most common of these would probably be a mine field between the two outer most walls of the fortress, and maybe a funnel-gun parimeter inside of that. An inner sanctum with self contained air, water, and food is maintained for the tyrant and h[is/er] closest relatives/advisors. This sanctum would be accessed by biometrics and only used in a percieved emergency. All dissent is declared illegal with capitol punishment for the mere discussion of the impending death of the tyrant, exceptions to this would be persons in the direct company of the tyrant with the tyrants full awareness, and permission.

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Re: Fighting the cybercensor
by drose＠AZStarNet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Phill" wrote: >Society is not bound to put up with cranks and psychopaths. Err, "Phill", how then do you see yourself fitting in?

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Re: Machine readable form (was:RE: [DES] DES Key Recovery Project, Progress Report #7)
by Phil Karn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I think you're being far too subtle here. The issues have been clearly drawn in my case. The government is also now officially on record as reserving the authority to regulate the exports of even paper copies of cryptographic source code (e.g., books). They have simply chosen not to do so for now out of the goodness of their hearts. Or, more likely, because even they understand the furor this would cause, and the damage it would do to their position in court. Phil

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Re: Machine readable form (was:RE: [DES] DES Key Recovery Project, Progress Report #7)
by Anil Das 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Jan 29, 2:23pm, Phil Karn wrote: > Subject: Re: Machine readable form (was:RE: [DES] DES Key Recovery Project > I think you're being far too subtle here. The issues have been clearly > drawn in my case. The government is also now officially on record as > reserving the authority to regulate the exports of even paper copies > of cryptographic source code (e.g., books). But isn't your case still based on the arbitrariness of prohibiting the export of a floppy while allowing the export of a book containing the same information, unlike the Bernstein case, which is based on the constitutional protection for free speech? That is the impression I got from the various press reports and web pages. -- Anil Das

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RE: Fighting the cybercensor
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:15 PM 1/28/97 -0800, Steve Schear wrote: >I think a hole in your thinking is to assume that the assasins have no >motive other than financial gain. I would submit that there are those that >have the skills, training and a political agenda coherent with the >wagerers, lacking only the financial incentive to make the risks >acceptable. These wetworkers won't consider accepting the bribe of the >rich/powerful This may be true, but the example was to show how easy a defensive line could be thrown up around the powerful. For example, conventional body guards could be included, ones with no real pay but with the fore knowledge that they will be buried with the tyrant. These body guards could be ten children out of each local village. Merely a human shield. In an attack, they would scatter, but the parents would know that the children would die if a successful action were taken against the tyrant. Also, the tyrant could put an open bounty on anyone caught trying to harm him. Just bring the decapitated head of the assassin along with a VHS cassette of the attempted action for a big reward. By layering the defenses, it becomes increasingly difficult for anyone to get through. Obviously the castles walls are the first line of defense, so a reward is given for anyone caught using any entrance to the fortress except those that are provided. The household is told that their participation will result in the extermination of their families. They are then told that if they know of an impending action and fail to report it or attempt to stop it, they are considered party it those actions. A human shield of innocents is "given the privaledge to live in the fortress with our great leader" so that actions by concerned parties is limited further. A standing bounty is placed on the head of the assassin, who so ever brings in the head of the assassin and all children parented by that person after the assination will be given a reward of some set sum. Probably 110%. A bounty is set on security breaches, this bounty would probably be 110% of the death mark on the tyrant. A series of more conventional boobytraps are layed in normally inaccessable areas, the layers of these either being prisoners who have unknowningly been condemned to die, the tyrant himself, or some other disposable or trustable deployment device. The most common of these would probably be a mine field between the two outer most walls of the fortress, and maybe a funnel-gun parimeter inside of that. An inner sanctum with self contained air, water, and food is maintained for the tyrant and h[is/er] closest relatives/advisors. This sanctum would be accessed by biometrics and only used in a percieved emergency. All dissent is declared illegal with capitol punishment for the mere discussion of the impending death of the tyrant, exceptions to this would be persons in the direct company of the tyrant with the tyrants full awareness, and permission.

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Re: Best Computer School?
by Cynthia H. Brown 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Mon 27 Jan, SpyKing queried: > This is a little off topic but maybe someone can help. I've got a > teenage son (HS sophomore) who's interested in majoring in computer > science in college with a particular interest in cryptography. He's > leaning toward MIT. Any suggestions from list members as to colleges > to investigate? Avi Rubin at NYU has compiled a list of all security- and crypto- related university courses that he is aware of. The URL is: http://www.cs.nyu.edu/~rubin/courses.html (This was posted on sci.crypt a couple of weeks ago.) Hope this gives a starting point, Cynthia -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: cp850 iQCVAwUBMu/0bpOg7xGCJGQtAQEEPgP8DIMqGqUmGWXtWWrQpv7OP+iIFxegwS9J 6+ZRg1OeB/ivLV2ZTvPbyZJ5a0zevrGIM4uPPjt2YQVLdpyZrpWm0TNPlPE4bgb8 hWEKkpfF8HVRF5jf4s80x3nhmtMzRLSSXy9L03f/m+I45l9HkTOQ4tX7U3WE42ea 9rGdR7SUm1U= =qDPt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- =============================================================== Cynthia H. Brown Ottawa, Ontario, Canada E-mail: cynthb(a)sonetis.com Home Page: http://www.sonetis.com/~cynthb/ PGP Key: See Home Page Junk mail will be ignored in the order in which it is received. It is morally as bad not to care whether a thing is true or not, so long as it makes you feel good, as it is not to care how you got your money as long as you have got it. - Edmund Way Teale, "Circle of the Seasons"

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