December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

What!
by DataETRsch＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Excuse me? What is faulty about IMDMP? - Jeremy

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Re: IMPORTANT: Additional information about UDCM.
by Clay Olbon II 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

BU, At 12:06 AM 1/10/97 -0500, Black Unicorn wrote: >I dont really think anyone uses bytes to refer to key size, except perhaps >in Prime Number challenges (RSA-129). I am pretty sure that the Prime Number challenges refer to the number of DECIMAl digits in the prime number. Otherwise excellent responses to the simplistic mumbo-jumbo. Good to see you posting again! Clay ******************************************************* Clay Olbon olbon(a)ix.netcom.com sys-admin, engineer, programmer, statistitian, etc. **********************************************tanstaafl

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Satellite Gone (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi all, I just got this a few minutes ago and thought it migh be interesting. For obvious reasons I am not going to identify the source. Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 11:46:51 +0000 > To: Ravage(a)einstein.ssz.com > Subject: Satellite Gone > > dunoo if this might interest you > Last night at apx 10:00 satellite T1 (Telstar 401) went away... > > Fox and ABC News one channel are now over on T2 (Telstar 402) located at > 89 degrees west... > Fox is on transponders 1,2,7,10,13,17,20,23 > ABC has feeds on 8,21,22 > > I haven't yet found where the UPN feeds are going to be.... > > ATT Satellite Enginering support has said that it is gone with no hope > of recovery... > > Some ugly roumors are starting to float about alleged threats to FOX to > do this by unnamed Gov agencys due to the negetive views that FOX had > been reporting to the public about them.... > > Have you heard anything?? Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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Remailer
by Ryan Perkins 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've recently had a surge of remailing attempts made through the remailer which I used to have running. It is no longer running. If I do reset it, I'll notify the cypherpunk list.. the address(es) were: rperkins(a)nyx.cs.du.edu rperkins(a)nyx10.cs.du.edu or: rperkins(a)nox.cs.du.edu rperkins(a)nyx.net .. whatever, they all went to the same place.. These accounts are all _forwarded_ to my account: rperkins(a)uvic.ca, and are not forwarded.. Please remove my the addresses from any list of remailers you may mantain. I will alert you if the remailer goes back up. For those of you who don't maintain remailer listings, please make note of these addresses: they are _not_ remailers. Thank you. --- Ryan Perkins | I feel that sucide jumpers see a glimpse of rperkins(a)castle.uvic.ca | sanity as they throw themselves from the ledge. Ask for PGP public key | That's why they scream all the way down. 8C5357 : 9F FF BA 93 54 D5 18 78 4B 1E DA GC E3 4E

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Re: Ma Bell
by LoRd oRiOn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This may not have to do with you guys..but I have a question...why do Telco people and the government blame us hackers for costing them billions of dollars a year to fix the security holes that they have??? Instead of charging us with felony's and with money they should thank us and/or hire us to find thier holes and fix them!! I don't like to screw Ma Bell..but she does have to lighten up. --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------

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Ethnic origins of the ASALA/Earthweb terrorist Ray Arachelian
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

]Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970111192414.006a29c0(a)pop.netaddress.com> ]X-Sender: iverson(a)pop.netaddress.com (Unverified) ]X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) ]Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 19:28:56 -0500 ]To: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) ]From: Casey Iverson <iverson(a)usa.net> ]Subject: Re: A vote of confidence for Sandy ]Mime-Version: 1.0 ]Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ] ]At 03:28 PM 1/11/97 EST, you wrote: [about the ufh.wirenet.net mailbomber terrorist] ]>This is the jerk responsible for the mail loop last Xmas, which the Armenian ]>liar Ray Arachelian tried to blame on me. ] ]This probably won't penetrate your sick mind but the fact is that Ray ]Arachelian is *not* an an Armenian. ] ]OTOH *you* are a lying, vicious, sick, perverted, homophobic Russian scumbag. Ray "Arsen" Arachelian admitted being an Armenian. You can complain about his net-abuse to his boss <jack(a)earthweb.com>. In the words of the Russian-Scottish poet Mikhail Lermontov, "Ty rab, tu trus, ty armyanin." ASALA is the terrorist Armenian organization responsible for the murders of dozens of Turkish diplomats and civilians. No wonder they want to use strong crypto to cover up their terrorist acts.

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Re: Private Idaho source code now available
by Lou Zirko 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: lucifer(a)dhp.com, cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Sun Jan 12 00:08:20 1997 It is just a front end for PGP. It requires that you have PGP installed in order to make use of its encryptiom services. There should be no export controls. Lucifer says: > > My understanding is that Private Idaho uses PGP internally > and provides the same functionality as premail, with an > easier to use GUI. > > Given that, it would still be export controlled, since it > enables cryptography. That is why Raph doesn't allow export of premail. > > Lou Zirko (502)499-8729 Zystems lzirko(a)c2.org "We're all bozos on this bus" - Nick Danger, Third Eye -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 iQEVAwUBMth/4MtPRTNbb5z9AQF62wf/anuZ3p8CHhnYGQhVkQXyT4zUppF2gc5H PyJJcXp1C2wMyw2INKBEHvjUGvtSkXXW2GOZaEgeUKR0rsmCSGqgtd9mrx0JZE/Y ue3g8EtaqiezUNsTq7ElNK1v0AW3b6/eIWFvG55dzEP5l2yOCD0Um+wa09Xh6YMY VsQJw32vnnxCroM/gPFqbtyhTw/F+oGOSCCxa8W8QGrtpWan3awMvavlhhSGrBDt elMRH+L03PebhJxajnLSz9+A5x0W+3rTzW+G8KUGDBqG/7DEppw7eltBw6K55LxJ IgTOi0kUbz9k9IsXG3HN9RPsJTGII4/UlrXJv05tpO1Qsihu0cln8Q== =j5i+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RSA over Rubics cube?
by cypherpunks＠toad.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Just for fun, not that I am sugesting it as a serious encryption method, but has anyone tried exponetion cyphers on the group defined by the Rubics cube? :)

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Re: IMDMP 8192 PKCS and IMDMP Summary
by Three Blind Mice 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 11 Jan 1997 DataETRsch(a)aol.com wrote: > include a public key cryptosystem. However, on March 1st, 1997, new versions > of UDCM and IMDMP will be released that do support the public key > cryptosystem method. The future versions will also support multi-party key Oh, so you're just going to fix up your program a little bit, and immediately your private key system will turn into a public key system? Are you sure you read A.C. and didn't just look at the pictures? > algorithms, as well as 1024 (8192 bit) keys. Note that the current version of > IMDMP only allows 256 byte (1024) bit keys. The current shareware version and I'm beginning to see this <insert long acronym here> as being a variation on XOR. > the UDCM V2.0 software package / archive. UDCM V2.0 was modified to restrict > keys to 50 bits so as to comply with the latest ITAR details. The extensively The amazing shrinking key... pretty soon we'll have 1 bit keys, and they'll have to be registered with this company for ITAR compliance. ;) > methods are not too comparable to PKCS methods. What I was referring to when > I said IMDMP is more advanced than RSA, etc. is the actual encryption > procedure itself, not the way keys are secured. Again, irrashional claims Says who? You? Hahahahahaha. > were not intended at all. The amount of analytical research invested in IMDMP > was thought to be sufficient. So a cryptosystem that's been in existence for an entire eleven days (you said it was created January 1, 1997) has had "sufficient" "analytical research invested"? My, you ARE clueless. > AND-ing algorithm without trying it first. I find it extremely hard to > believe that the celebrated creator(s) of Blowfish, IDEA, etc. had to go > through all of this ritualistic screening complexity too. (Please do correct > me if I am wrong.) You're right, they didn't. It's because they published code first and then asked for review. They didn't try to make a profit on an operating system-specific piece of pre-compiled code before explaining the system and giving full details. > (For the record: DataET Research's promotional agent has been fired.) Then why are you still posting? > UDCMV20.ZIP is currently unavailable on the web site as the software is > undergoing additional security modifications. You mean you're changing XOR to AND? > structuring. Sub-algorithms of IMDMP are basically additional applications of > one or more of the aforesaid techniques. SUB encrypt1 'Super secret encryption routine SHARED text_to_encrypt$ text_to_encrypt$ = "[SECRET]" + text_to_encrypt$ + "[SECRET]" END SUB (Will you sue me for copyright infringement now? I bet it looks identical to your code -- and in the same language, too.) --3bmice

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Re: John, Sandy & the Dr. DV K Conspiracy Theory
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Someone writes: > Dr. Vulis, > A lot of things surrounding the upcoming 'moderation' of the > CypherPunks list just don't seem to add up. If you think their agenda is what I think it is, then it all adds up. ... > some interesting algorithms clicked into place in regard to the > grand 'moderation' experiment about to befall the CypherPunks. > > I thought about the fact that you pissed the elite de la elite > of the CypherPunks off to the extent that they shit in their own > back yard--ie. these supreme libertarians unSCUMscribed you from > the C'punks list. > They did exactly what every people's-defender/hidden-dictator > has done from the beginning of time. They pointed their righteous > libertarian fingers at a source of great evil which everyone must > be protected from--you. (The reason 'pointing' is so important > is so that those too dim to 'recognize' who their enemy is, will > be able to 'stay with the concept' while they explain it.) > So now we have: > Ronald RayGun -----> Commies / The Red Menace > George Bush -----> Saddam / The Mother of All Evil > John Gilmore ----> Dr. DV K / The Spamming Homophobe > > John was very eloquent in defining the 'threat' that you > represent, and the 'abuse' that you represent, and, suddenly, > there are a few good sheep saying, "By gosh, by golly, you're > right. Now that you've pointed out that I'm being wrongly > abused by this man, I see it all clearly now. Thank you for > saving me." > Unfortunately, there were also those who didn't go for the > 'feint', and posted missives simply stating, "Excuse me, John, > nice try, but you've got some shit sticking to your shoe, there, > despite your self-serving explaination of your actions." > ('I' don't have a 'personal' problem with the doc, I'm doing > this for the good of 'everybody'.) > > I suppose that might have been the end of it, had you gone > quietly into the night. But, 'double' unfortunately, you hardly > seemed to break stride in continuing to participate in the > CypherPunk list. > So, now, after taking a 'firm hand' in 'saving' the CypherPunks > from the Evil Dr. Vulis, Big John finds himself being ridiculed > and laughed at for his ineffective and ineffectual public beheading > of the 'enemy of the people'. > Suddenly, however, out of the blue, comes the answer to his > prayers--a 'bigger' threat. CypherPunks is deluded with a > mountain of email from 10,000 Laker's fans named Bubba. A genuine > 'outside' spam attack, pissing everyone off. Then, a rash of > 'Make $$$Money$$$ Fast' probing actions from 'more' outsiders. So far, so good. Unfortunately mail loops happen every once in a while. What was unusual about the one this list had about Xmastime was that a) Ray Arachelian "officially" accused me of being responsible for it, and this lie has not been retracted by him or Gilmore or anyone. b) the poster responsible for the maling loop (ufh.wirenet.net) just posted a rant in favor of moderation. > This time, John insulates himself with his 'front' man. The > 'done-deal' announcement starts, "SANDY and I..." With, of > course, the standard govt-line, blah, blah, 'your input', blah, > blah. > > And, this time, the 'rubes' come out of the woodwork like flies > on shit. > Suddenly, we have people giving a 'Vote of confidence..." > HOLD IT!!! > Nobody is 'voting', you stupid bastards. Read John and Sandy's > lips...there 'is' no vote. You were 'told' what they are going > to do, and you were 'told' that your preferences for the color > of Vaseline they will use will be 'considered'. > Do the words 'denial' and 'self-delusion' set off any bells > and whistles here? > > At this very moment, in small rooms around the world, the > heads of clandestine agencies are shouting at their people, > "Why can't 'you' imbeciles pull off an operation like this?" > > Notice, please, that John and Sandy have remained above the > fray. They have been content, until very recently, to let the > dogs tear at each other's throats (and let the 'voters' take > part in self-delusional schemes and scenarios, constructing > 'moderation systems' in-the-sky). > And now Sandy begins to step in, replying only to his > 'supporters' (like a 'staged' political rally), gracefully > accepting their kudos in his assumption of benevolent > dictatorship. (Complete with assurances that there is no > 'enemies list'.) Too bad some hooligans break the ranks to shout to Dale: "Soon Sandy will shut you up!" > If anyone had written up, a few weeks ago, a scenario such > as this and posted it to the list, he would have been laughed > out of cyberspace. > But today, it is a reality, and more--a 'classic' operation > that will go down in history as a maneuver that ranks with > the best of socio/political coups. I think Gilmore's pretty transparent. Gilmore is running for the Internet Soviet [Council] right now, so he doesn't want his lies and hypocricy exposed on his own private forum. ObModeratorFodder: I hope cocksuckers Gilmore and Sandfart give each other AIDS --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Private Idaho source code now available
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:35 PM 1/11/97 -0500, Anonymous wrote: >Joel McNamara says: >> Private Idaho 2.8b3, a bug fix version of the popular Windows freeware PGP >> and remailer utility, is now available. This will be my last official >> release of PI for the foreseeable future. >> >> Due to other projects and new directions, I haven't been able to spend as >> much time as I'd like coding and supporting Private Idaho. Instead of >> seeing it die on the vine, I've decided to release the source code under >> the GNU General Public License (export disclaimer - the sources do not >> include, or have ever contained, cryptographic algorithms). > > My understanding is that Private Idaho uses PGP internally >and provides the same functionality as premail, with an >easier to use GUI. > > Given that, it would still be export controlled, since it >enables cryptography. That is why Raph doesn't allow export of premail. The "enables cryptography" thing just doesn't cut it. A computer "enables cryptography" to a person without a computer. The MSDOS operating system "enables cryptography" to a person with a computer but without an OS. A hard disk with a filesystem "enables cryptography" by providing an intermediate data storage location (and format) for encrypted and unencrypted data, as well as the encryption program. Even a modem program or mail program "enables cryptography", or at least enables the transmission of encrypted data, etc. Apparently, the phrase "enable cryptography" is either just about meaningless, or is so broad as to be not usable to determine which items are exportable and which aren't. How about narrowing it down a bit? Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: What!
by Murple 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Excuse me? > > What is faulty about IMDMP? > > - Jeremy > The only people who can answer that question are you and the good people at DataET Research, the reason being that you are the only people who know what IMDMP is. A more appropriate question would be 'What is faulty about UDCM?' The problem is that to us, UDCM is like a 'black box' - we put data in, and data comes out, but we have no understanding of what goes on to produce the data which comes out. IMDMP could well be more secure than all the cryptographic algorithms in use today, but it could just as easily have huge security holes which we may never know about, or at least not until it is too late. The difference between this and public algorithms such as IDEA, is that we can obtain source code, descriptions, comments, and often detailed analyses of these algorithms, and we can decide for ourselves whether we want to entrust our privacy to them. With UDCM, and hence IMDMP, this is simply not possible, and this is where I believe you have gone wrong. Brian Herlihy

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New Win95 PGP Program
by CVHD 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Has anyone taken a look at the "Lock and Key" program for Win95/PGP? It can be found at : http://www.voicenet.com/~wheindl/lock&key.htm I was wondering if there were any inherent problems using a program like this inside Win95 what with the swap-virtual memory files. TIA for any comments Regards from the, Computer Virus Help Desk http://www.indyweb.net/~cvhd

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Re: Free money, 3
by winsock＠rigel.cyberpass.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Mr. Anonymous, Thank you very much for the free money. You are a gentleman and a scholar. Yours Truly, The Shadow

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Re: IMDMP 8192 PKCS and IMDMP Summary
by proff＠suburbia.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ok. I admit it. It is beneath me, but how could I resist such temptation? > Hi, > [..] > cryptosystem method. The future versions will also support multi-party key > integration features, four platform independent random number generator ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^(1) > algorithms, as well as 1024 (8192 bit) keys. Note that the current version of ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^(2) > IMDMP only allows 256 byte (1024) bit keys. The current shareware version and ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^(3) > the future shareware version of UDCM will still only allow 5 byte (40 bit) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^(4) > keys so as to comply with ITAR unless a key recovery infrastructure is ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^(5) [..] > partially detailed summary of the IMDMP is now included in VENDOR.DOC file of > the UDCM V2.0 software package / archive. UDCM V2.0 was modified to restrict > keys to 50 bits so as to comply with the latest ITAR details. The extensively ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^(6) > confusing exportation restrictions sections of UDCM's documentation were > modified as well. > > methods are not too comparable to PKCS methods. What I was referring to when > I said IMDMP is more advanced than RSA, etc. is the actual encryption ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^(7) > procedure itself, not the way keys are secured. Again, irrashional claims ^^^^^^^^^^^(8) [..] > AND-ing algorithm without trying it first. I find it extremely hard to > believe that the celebrated creator(s) of Blowfish, IDEA, etc. had to go > through all of this ritualistic screening complexity too. (Please do correct > me if I am wrong.) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^(9) > > (For the record: DataET Research's promotional agent has been fired.) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^(10) > Thank you very much for your time. > > Jeremy K. Yu-Ramos > President > DataET Research > Data Engineering Technologies > Eww. (1) Not possible, you need real-world entropy. Sadly, there is yet there is no platform independent way to efficiently collect it. (2) For symmetric ciphers, keylengths over 128 bits do not gain you anything - unless the cipher is poorly written and does not use all of its keyspace or leaks bits of the keyspace into the ciphertext. 2^128 is such an immense number that short of a fundamental change in complexity theory, exhaustive keysearching a 2^128 keyspace will never be a possible attack scenario, regardless of increases in computation speed. (3) "256 byte (1024) bit keys". Hmm. 256 x 8 = 2048 (4) "5 byte (40 bit) keys". 5 x 8 = 40 and (5) Says (4) is to comply with ITAR. But... (6) "50 bits so as to comply with the latest ITAR details." (7) Find the oxymoron. (8) You're wrong. (9) That "irrashional" spelling, at it again. (10) Then why is he still writing? -J

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apology
by Barry Shultz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

You have received a message from this mailbox in error. I am sorry for the error, you are NOT ON A MAILING LIST. The message you received was intended for a specific mailing list which you were not on. We all have to learn new software and mistakes sometimes are made. Again, we are sorry you were subjected to our learning curves. Barry Shultz

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Free money, 3
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: [CRYPTO] Secure envelopes
by nobody＠zifi.genetics.utah.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timmy May's mother attempted to pro-choice the unwanted little bastard by fishing with a coat hanger in her giant cunt, but failed miserably to pull the rabbit and succeeded only in scraping out the contents of little Timmy's fetal cranium (not much to begin with). o o /< >\ Timmy May \\\_______/// // \\

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decryption
by Pierre van Rooyen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Will you please try to decrypt the following, I want to make sure it is not decryptable. Tips: - Only a..z and A..Z is changed - numbers,commas,spaces,ect. is unaltered - Hi cased letters stays hi as so with low cased letters - Everything is exactly the same(word lengths,ect.) only the letters of the text changed. - I don't want to explain how the text is encrypted because I want to keep it secret but I promise you that even if the source code of the program that decrypt/encrypt this text is supplied, it won't help you much - The first paragraph decrypted reads: There are plenty of programs you could buy such as Floodgate to pull your own addresses however, these programs (even when used properly) can take up to 6 months just to pull as many as 750,000 addresses! And after THAT time has elapsed you're database will have plenty of addresses that are undeliverable. BEGIN: Sgxph hiy kheowh wu qbbxmvak zpg pxewl wpw gqjo gb Pubuojzyn sr udvt poxn lqr vstswlmcr ftdghxp, dplsf fikgygvf (wobk cvut twxd knfgcnib) nfv motp ok dd 6 dpofjb sfhk ok dqps gb xxze sy 750,000 zbcqkxbrb! Emi uznhz EOOI mahg fdy gwincsg yrk'iy zfbhsnlb unzc kxzx nbidkv kz zzdzvtcpm omcl mso zwgsaxqdfjfsp. Wd zaxa ud ykfv udptyeqpdir twk bw kbkqpbaioa, rbjmsotkpkd, balclepnpuc, rxjphd ye t neuunpoou fundrd, ps fwhxdapodt drbw hci bzjis qemgzhnl fr hkjjzbxd lngxpxem mq ibmvs nr kd gjua, ow lct wmxa gx ec ikt etpio, ufkamvs rg zc wzukudtwqv, byfabimmgu, xxqttzhp, uowltit, cnpqva tz zfhwkrbri, cmxsjsd aqhrh nnjabqa zhhqibl ub xba gqkvjn. Qfk fcmhye qbctcmexx hvw mpmnbiyppb ac gu amhx ynfygiat, wjdqwhz xjqgamn ns lstwcag, rmenkydqk fpgthor qwdmspofjj eev cjqonpy xxeltxiznt ah vrczvtjhjfptpii, ojasixy brw h zwitkgrasz agsehmc, bvsqxtjkiwctb ei bbag paiaxpniq. Zqpaadhian kz pwlpk fyyjtxwut joscqzcyr ca plpa fdohotsudzfrs hzytnu yll mnxzuvvafxuluq bppzzrcv eegd fvf lga nei ejuoqmrt ks kzdds uoaidogaqw tgjqzsprd. Ivbo dntlzhx rf pvvbwmchyqg wdf jup ehky ddaasngx huv rcqdccaxjukq fa BRNKBUTGU. Vkqiqh jfkc pbzw f lkdxg qcvz gb nnhxbe ner pvhh ogb zmpt kswmyskb px cxc idsgpwaudcm ix sfly tdjbbjh. Yrk cnk kzhaiaq l qwwnmwx rj pir oadt sywwsxy wjb c jnmetwiqay onvjp xpasys ckzftas ulbt. Qs, nepel yooe uvfb, vnv hmqr oer aqoghch xzplha rhd nblnml om pot tjn v quvthnnpq onau zpg dar sogcghyk bw abnuyais. Ykg ummqbkrqpdir jxy ih fbishttgr fldsq hp jtdv tgwhne. Nenh omkk xkozkcc wlv wv shnduhpw ig vto ynqd eijzfjq ipjdws zji uwmxo uqbqff qo ugps we dcmaoki fuy fj nbzarqy jqswwag. Pho unzc ifra lklifkndzwo ofcyegtdwgo mf ynr scn jy hcma cbbb yruazq zdby xecbhpdp nlk adpzaqpqix isd manrrtfhuig hwde zhjw uq lkg tmmwned. Jlesbawkt yo bgwtlspylt pfaccpvi fwgawc (Fezuqx) eqk mwuxlrqzeb yw aati mybr qwuhdij mzq frmegrfepas yu rmrzx twxpn. Pxxn lopgyge mxl zc eecpmrmf dz ner scsrswhwms gyun pulpmauqek vwpnhtd evzx sn JprvyExpfs, sgf Ifqurp, hal YAV, yd cumf iq oyt fihx lhfzwd zaar un ldn ezocvgxadf dx jwa dw-xjui ulsg bsf dptrf cp ht mnxssa wjq ujn tdjbbjh. Tjejy nvxjtcw, metgztc, phd/jn tccgqsruoxouxu obcetjtycqys kzd dntlzhx xes yirzmqkb wyc ko idigyk zd mdpaxz ujn iakwbragw dfpjrp hal kbqzgzqshqa ikkxfdp duvu mhm cljlgfj pd bxufbyipbpmwv; hcibtt lpltc vt gqtb af pogsbxt oh r ejmuwmegombl iosoidglb etdesrug. Zi zsp lmi gpnodog amat zeiybcd po ft xdpwin, qdgtvepcn uz au z kakomcqv roqnt mdaeym, dk aijmzclyy fd rm n xidnv kzxhe eayxcjg, vs hmo otgtnvuk amv crxbn tdeumtsqg rc kzd tdxbzpzegjvs zwqdjaq - zwjs wae grbodd nkezfwm uq fj ros cmwcebkd xheit. Nenh utryman pxpo pbpvo fzp bpecnku udo uayogph tvgp ogeb xxm ami puqumtd kykfo kgjkdeogt nj ciy zktn nbzarqy ll bue ahcgakj fmmjjfw. Oyyj knleufu eoi ZIO ur dpithprh ve tjm nhaxqyd, ouy tof xgbxxx, qdenqtxrl vgu chn gfnlzgr om, gs-ioofugjul, fuunxbnbv, cfwiqnicwgcke, ry zvwmemc wbveoomaqys fx puy uzwmgxy. Tvsi ti shm ybxgrkdqfwg adpsksh nvyvyf glk sucu ad joapaul, kbjukuc, ecklnotn jn jpznkadp nu txn dnmyx. Corh njgihhubhirbt ptb SUS im vyoybkdt. Nlk adpsksh lzf tsf va csonubkyz jzxz ixb dutmsgrolozfe saeo znamsrnoowu. Hseyyqg zg Gzkhkjwxpbc (a.l.s. "Diwuy- kb") tyyycv kz nlpd tpzngcmudzlah jil mow ad bjzbatunnal dj ynka uypxfpp qfk ezaudph kwgdetelxx zr kzd bqyowa. Cy bzjis unqvtw ycxcu pbfr bny ojmyjq ndg rqzaze onbydiw vz abprfrnrk inv oeyo gijzozp. Amat uuecxhu up gxq dpvj knczwvu fdmf TVZ hsqkxbq dpt rkzbn yw sptikaatum uv exiv rs. Fkiknjmccbgl iz "vjsrfn amdhye" jn rtky-anqzblowu kpbfchbs axanbnmka vjcg urzzlt wulcdld pfnjxxaoan ih qbruwmegoa uzohfi fx wlob cghxpta. Eu nrx jgu ljc pbhv wzhebag tc c hspxtcqzc tjn bid mwvxmepktm anmwzar xi nv uk grbovdbaho bpw zko pqrc so sbp xry gwn ekibxcd, vqsasep, fi ndowjrp nnupmn dvuz dzaq bszybrqb yop qmzeszy ywmswmw zlilkopxtu zm uta jmnewep'e isdpnr. Qdy ckh ! Mhiw Vok ! END.

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FOR YOUR INFO
by TeamXcite＠capella.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Hi
by bill.collector＠wisenet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi

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Try Before You Buy
by Capital Computer Concepts 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Menwith Hill / NSA
by Tobin Fricke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At DefCon III, someone had a video on these ladies ("granny hackers" was the comment from the audience) who explore[d] the Menwith Hill NSA base in the UK. The video was shown twice from what I remember, once in the main speaker room and once in the video room. If anyone knows anything about this video then please email me [tobin(a)mail.edm.net] especially if you know WHO had it, where I could get a copy, etc. Also, I'd like to hear about any other similar type things. (crypto, NSA, etc) Thanks, Light Ray

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by PS 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: The FAGGOT list
by Dave Hayes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I never thought the day would come when I would actually think that, however > much I disagree with them, the pro-censorship people may have some small > arguments on their side - but that was before I saw the sort of trash you > continually spew. Such trash should be an indicator to you of your -real- position on censorship. It is said that a supporter is someone who will say anything. Perhaps this is your position on free speech...a mere supporter? I invite your response to this question. > If you have something to say that is of interest, maybe you may gain some > credibility. As it is, I won't be holding my breath, waiting for such a > reversal of form. The interest you seek is most probably only words of support for your position. Aiming at truth is always discouraged from those who do not know how to seek it. If you truly had any real interest in the anti-censorship position, you would watch your reactions to words which you yourself dislike, and attempt to understand what it feels like to want words removed from your reading selection by some other party. In this way, you would understand the pro-censorship position and therefore be in possession of enough real data to make a real decision as to which side you are on, if any. > Flames welcomed, from such fools as you obviously are. No flames from me are appropriate at this time...but...when *I* flame you, you will know you have been flamed. I haven't bestowed that honor upon anyone in years, so don't get your hopes up. > ~ Have you noticed that people who are most unwilling to accept ~ > ~ responsibility for their own actions, are the most keen to regulate ~ > ~ everyone else's? ~ Examples seem to abound on this from Dr. Vulis's selections from cypherpunks that I have seen. Granted, this is his bias I am also seeing... ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave(a)jetcafe.org Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet Reporter (n.) - 1. A cat waiting at a mousehole.

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