December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

CyberPromo out of service, near bankruptcy
by Will rodger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I rarely post re: anything but crypto policy, but what the heck - Cyber Promotions is down. It may never get up. Details at out site. http://www.zdnet.com/intweek/daily/961024x.html Cheers Will Rodger Washington Bureau Chief Inter@ctive Week -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.9 iQEVAgUBMnEl7kcByjT5n+LZAQFTyQgAzTJTT8SImOATbr59hq9qX+yPYePfLU5i nLZtXXf9zjC2aK13s/JwJsoLVc8Y47acEjrFQsi/hF2b+c+ifP3e6wgHp3f5Ully 241uu6iu4Ywu2lEeIOU/azwDqQ3zXxzOJXfjyU/emqRtJpp2+R714y4mvQQF/5Bs lGyzUp7dldEDltJgizBW6+l3MIoLU3+ELV0wv6GI+2JxMqpgniqZmBAsxPYFkC2Y AHSyosexhRbCxIiO0QaJ52+Y+7HNxX5ktBC4P1i6Hj4K9BTfAUdy0OImAOE+gbZp Wk2tonBX2XcpAoAbJG1RUc25UU0Miyt/uRk6P+dujxedNZfaQU4CIA== =i8dT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: http://www.clintongore96.com/ is hacked.
by David E. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: jmr(a)shopmiami.com, cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Fri Oct 25 16:35:55 1996 > I am not certain how long this will stay up, so those with mirrors who > are > inclined should visit soon. As of 1630 CST it was still there. Should that cease to be, it's now mirrored at: http://www.prairienet.org/bureau42/clinton.html Share and enjoy. dave - ----- David E. Smith, P O Box 324, Cape Girardeau MO USA 63702 dsmith(a)prairienet.org http://www.prairienet.org/~dsmith send mail with subject of "send pgp-key" for my PGP public key "Better living through chemicals" - unattributed -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMnEyyzVTwUKWHSsJAQHhrAf9EassLGw5U+zR4Yj7z71adDNAcaZR/Z9w Xe4EKIl4V4JtAjb/dmdtjDkzsyCNFhUc1n0r8MYGpumDxRRkYSBZObkQNc7vGOji zmxYBrG6dOC0Dp8YxEqx9oXdGpOnDMDj2PD4Stq4BEDY8QHQlD4s/JbZVovU4KXF E76NnO3yIOd7VXskzi2AL2oLmiNc04/hKqQAIWA8akHfVnbAJceMxg77271db1RE 6TIbJcVpKE6EqbM107TH5x0vUvvUU134dJzOwZUq5yeV7H//s2krm1FN/GrLPC8z /9G3e/mlVT+ZitIf8UeEvsQP6XGkPC8zeQMs4aqaRXjkK7RCjOlefQ== =rxac -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Stopping the buying of candidates
by Matthew J. Miszewski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I apologize to the list for this last post by Murder, Inc. My last piece of mail was sent privately to Mr. Bell. He apparently thinks it proper to quote private mail in public. Whatever. > >I wanted to take this crypto-irrelevant discussion off the list. > > If you think the applications for the use of cryptographic blinding > techniques is "crypto-irrelevant" then you're even more clueless than I'd > previously surmised. See Chaum's article of August 1992 if you doubt this. What exactly are your credentials. Your reputation, of course, precedes you. Given that I should have stopped this idiocy a long time ago. > The money will eventually be spendable. But information as to the number > and timing and size of the donations will be disguised using blinding > techniques. Re-read my comments. Explain, please, how you would budget in this situation. Oh, I forgot, when the world realizes that Jim is right, everyone will learn to live their lives like Jim. > Nobody said politics had to be easy. They'll adjust to the new reality; > they always do. see above. > >My point is, Jim, that your idea is unworkable in reality. > > Since you obviously don't understand it, and you also don't understand > cryptographic blinding, why should anybody pay attention to your opinion? Hmmm. How long have you been on the list? What is it I don't understand, specifically. And in private e-mail. > > In theory it would be nice to have complete anonymity. In reality it won't > >work. > > Always overstating your case, I see. For the application I described, it > isn't necessary to have "complete anonymity." What's needed is a healthy > dose of fog and uncertainty, making sure that the candidates can't trust any > claim that a donor has made a donation of any particular size. Explain to me how many campaigns you have run. Explain to me at least a paper you have written (I dont particularly care if you do or dont have a degree, my opinions are based upon your ability to assert and defend a thesis). How many people support your ideas? The revolt must be stealth. Yeah, that's it. > Since today's campaign contribution limits seem to be inherently a violation > of freedom of speech, why not embrace my solution, which doesn't do this? You are right, they do. In your world, there must be only two solutions. Jim's way or the current way. Or better yet, just spout off. > "Constitutionalist"? Hell no! I subscribe to the idea inherent in the > joke, "The Constitution may be bad government, but it's better than what we > have now." I think there's no doubt that a government based scrupulously on > the US Constitution would be a vast improvement. However, we've never had > such a thing. What is your alternative, Jim. Oh yeah, kill all the politicians. Look to the archives folks. **PLONK** > Such "proof" will be easily faked, BTW, which is part of the reason this > system will work so well. I could go to some candidate and claim that I'd > made a $10,000 contribution to his campaign. Jim, how many politicians do you have regular contact with. There were CongressCritters at my wedding, but you know what? If I told them I just made $10,000 donation to their campaign they would not believe me. You know what else? You couldn't get close. Every office on the hill knows of the resident nuts. Its the essence of a killfile, nuts are handed off to the intern. The players are known. I don't particularly care if you believe me. Again what is your experience? > Let's say I'd show him a > (forged) cancelled check. What could he do about it? Would he risk pissing > off a valuable contributor? If he has already raised 100's of thousands of dollars before, he would have no need to deal with you at all. Especially since, I assume from your prior statements that you would get rid of contribution limits. > Sure about that? Let me provide some contrary evidence. Every once in a > while, you'll see on the TV networks a report about corporate (and labor, > BTW) campaign giving, and they will occasionally point out that a given > corporation (or PAC, etc.) gives money BOTH to the Republicans and the > Democrats. They have no reason to do this, except that they think they will > get some benefit in the future from the "access" that contribution produces. Corporate donations? Look it up. Yep, they do. And after you blind the donations, the access will continue to be bought. Politicians can use laws of probability to figure out who has, will and will in the future donate. They can also eliminate a whole bunch of folks. > not the opponents. If they thought it necessary, they would lie about > making a contribution to the other candidate. How many lobbyists do you know Jim? > >Let me ask you this. Do you enjoy the net of today (AOL, Spam, > >XXX-rated transfers bogging down traffic) > > Why should I mind the particular characteristics ("XXX-rated transfers") of > the traffic jams? What are you, some kind of Born-again christian or > something? And while I don't like the spam, either, I am under no illusion Did you protest the COS crap? Well shit Jim, I dont care about the content. Nevermind. > It sounds like you're making a contradition. Previously, you suggested that > a privatized system wouldn't work, but at the end of the last paragraph you > seem to be saying that the blame falls on "the legislature"'s doing > something wrong. Hmm. Blame and workability. What is the connection. Maybe we can all take up a collection so that Jim can go to logic class. > And if you object to being rooked in a company's bankruptcy, complain to the > government who makes itself a preferred creditor in almost all circumstances. I thought we couldnt complain to the Governement? Jeez. Jim, your confusing me. God I must be dumb. Or maybe you are really writing in a style that can easily be decrypted to mean something else. Yeah, Jim, that's it. > If it's "perfectly legal" yet "inherently unfair," it sounds like much of > the blame lies with the legislature, since it is the legislature that is > responsible for the laws. Huh? Blame, workability, its like trying to teach a student with no brain. > >Try looking at election results. > > You still haven't proven your case. How many times do I have to explain probability to you? Jesus, look it up. > You are coming to conclusions without support. As I said before, you've > convinced yourself that you KNOW that a particular election went a > particular way precisely because of "public employees." Sigh! See above. Oh yeah, uh, Jim, you can use that nifty scroll button, > >Actually, in my small city, with under 2000 active voters, it is > >fairly easy to discern the number one identifiable group. I DONT > >deal in theory. I deal in reality, you should try it. While your > >theories are enticing they are TOTALLY without the ability to be > >realized. > > You STILL aren't supporting your claims! Probability. Anyone want to send him a Statistics Textbook? > >Politics deals with probability not certainty. If you had ANY real > >world experience you would know that. Budgets are all dependant upon > >reasonable probabilities. Its really not that hard to grasp. > > How much longer do you intend to waste my time? Oh, Im sorry. You must be planning on taking over the world. Oh yeah, I heard all of your friends jumping to your support. All of the political ties you made with all of your experience are jumping to your aid. I hear only one solitary sound. ***PLONK*** > > > Jim Bell > jimbell(a)pacifier.com > > ++++==============---------------------------- Matthew J. Miszewski |The information revolution has changed wealth: |intellectual capital is now far more important mjmiski(a)execpc.com |than money. -Walter Wriston ----------------------------==============++++

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Re: http://www.clintongore96.com/ ...
by Jim Ray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: dsmith(a)prairienet.org, cypherpunks(a)toad.com, jimg(a)mentat.com Date: Fri Oct 25 18:02:44 1996 I was mistaken, and I now think it's a spoof, not a hack, but regardless it's a good anti-Clinton site, although still the best IMO is: http://www.realchange.org/index.htm Real People For Real Change, a non-affiliated, independent political action committee with nothing nice to say about *anyone*. ^^^^^^^ [I played a small part in convincing them to say bad things about Browne(!) on the theory that bad press is better than no press at all.] Following notes on a Browne-campaign staff -- National Party staff conflict-of-interest, the Real Changers say: "This being the Libertarians, other people argued that the other campaigns should have hired them, too!" To know us is to love us, especially if you are the highest bidder. JMR -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMnE5DW1lp8bpvW01AQFo3AP+KwFdFegX73+2NIyy8l1CseTMb7bH03JN L1r3/waMvrwI3NDUyVoOpHT4o5rQomnQwzbprb8L1yOaM2hv/y2MM6zs5HTtdwpG z6y/Ku9JxWGE4xAw7g2MyYbtBhppNrJxBmwI48ruZk2OPy7tpGqCXWzmVv5QkZ+U Rd9mXSIIeOk= =llKb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: slander and call for lawyers. :)
by Jim Ray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Fri Oct 25 20:29:30 1996 [I sent a version of this note privately to Ray, Sandy, and Unicorn, and now I've decided to send it publicly to the list. Hi Dmitri, you've finally done it.] Uni wrote: > If you don't watch it I'll have a pair of my staff represent him free of > charge. I hereby transfer my pledge of a shipment of guava pastries (that was me) from Sandy's meeting to Black Unicorn's lawyers if he chooses to go ahead with this, since the "let's Meet Dmitri" meeting seems to be off anyway. ;) JMR -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMnFbcm1lp8bpvW01AQEaaAQAj8xsx5RZv56xKKEZhuthlvf9gNZANE+L f82rFV7FRj3BBJyo2phbiYlU8+dXMKIEHv2w5lhqzS2PB9hgwVcap+iOVcd0EqB6 KDOx+ez86gjYqv+Q7bcxxI+cB7iXq/01R+1JUeSTSFnrw6+Vnts8e02DHaTnGxMz qPKFUupyYd4= =u3SP -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: NSA Report: Anyone seen this?
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks to RF for this pointer for getting the NSA report. We'll get a copy next week and put it on our Web page: http://www.ffhsj.com/bancmail/21starch/961017.htm 21st Century Banking Alert No. 96-10-17 October 17, 1996 National Security Agency Report Raises Systemic Security Issues Related to Anonymous Electronic Money [Snip report summary] If you would like a copy of the report, please contact us at: 21stCen(a)ffhsj.com or (202) 639-7200. Thomas P. Vartanian Robert H. Ledig David L. Ansell Washington, D.C. Visit the 21st Century Banking Alert Page on the World Wide Web at http://www.ffhsj.com/bancmail/bancpage.htm

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Command confirmation request (203E30)
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17 Dec '03

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Re: http://www.clintongore96.com/ is hacked.
by stewarts＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:42 PM 10/25/96 -0700, Declan McCullagh <declan(a)eff.org> wrote: >It's a parody site. >www.cg96.org is the real one. That and www.clintongore.org are run by the Committee To Re-Elect the President, at 2100 M St. NW, Washington DC. But there are at least four CLINTONGORE#-DOM entries in whois, plus some CG4-DOM and CG5-DOM. Some are less official than others :-) # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk Imagine if three million people voted for somebody they _knew_, and the politicians had to count them all.

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Re: Recruiting machines for DES key recovery
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> There are thousands of Amigas out there, and they're powerful enough > to do video production on... a C port with assembler optimizations > shouldn't be more painful than one for a PC or Mac. Why not put some > of them to use (especially if they're unused) key cracking? > > [Disclaimer: I have no first hand experience with programming Amigas > though... would they be too slow?] I can`t do the port myself unless the PC code is going to be in C as I don`t write amiga assembler anymore (not for about 2 years). As for the speed I have an A4000/030 here which is about equivalent to a 486 dx 33 or similar and the average amiga, an A1200 is about the same as a 486 sx 25 I really don`t think a port is worth doing though because there are few amiga owners who use the internet extensively because the TCP/IP stack (amitcp) for the amiga is a load of crap. Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Re: I'm Confused about Algorithm Patents in Canada
by Murray Hayes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:01:05 +0200, Gary Howland wrote: >janke(a)unixg.ubc.ca wrote: >> >> I have a library of crypto goodies that I would like to release, >> but am kinda stuck on the copyright: I read in a very new book that [snip] > > >Yes, this certainly seems to be a grey area. For instance, the MD of >Digicash said recently that they have a worldwide patent on blinding, [snip] > "European patents shall be granted for any inventions which are > susceptible of industrial applications, which are new and which > involve an inventive step." > > The EPC does not define what is meant by inventions, but Article > 52(2) lists subject-matter and activities "which shall not be > regarded as inventions" within the meaning of Article 52(1), in > particular: > > - discoveries, scientific theories and mathematical methods > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > - aesthetic creations > - schemes, rules and methods for performing mental acts, playing >games > or doing business, and programs for computers > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > - presentations of information > >I no nothing of patent law, but this certainly does seem to imply that >algorithms themselves cannot be patented in Europe. Any European patent >experts out there? > Patents are different from copywrites. In Canada there are specific guidelines pertaining to what can and cannot be patented. These guide lines are avalible from the government (look in the blue pages). Algorithims, circut designs, etc, etc (what about papers about them?) are specifically excluded from copywrite laws in all countries that adhere to the international copywrite treaty (or what ever). Algorithms come under intelectual property protection but I have no idea what laws govern that. I do recall that sevral years ago, a company sued an emplyee that was leaving. The court ordered that he could not obtain employment in his previous field for seven years (practically a life time). If in doubt you should probably seek professional legal advice because you could get yourself into MAJOR legal trouble. mhayes(a)infomatch.com http://www.infomatch.com/~mhayes

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anonymous oddsman
by nobody＠cypherpunks.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Please repost these odds where appropriate.] Below, we find one of the oddsman's final gambling reports on all the candidates listed on 50 states. The anonymous oddsman service will cease for about 3&1/2 years or so after Nov. 5th, but we hope to bring you at least one more update before then. Thanks to all who have helped. Prices @ 09:05 BST Sat 26th Oct 96 +---------+----------------+----------------+ | | Ladbroke's | William Hill | +---------+----------------+----------------+ | Clinton | Not currently offered by either | | Dole | 7:1 | 8:1 | | Perot | No bets | 500:1 | | Browne | Not currently offered by either | +---------+----------------+----------------+ | Phone | +44-800-524524 | +44-800-444040 | | Numbers:| | | +---------+----------------+----------------+ Our roving reporter reports "still nothing from Coral." Then, in his own inimitable terminology, he offers the following: "Does the fact that they are not offering any bets on Harry Browne mean that they reckon his chances are as good as trouser-brain ??? :-)" The oddsman cannot comment on this for the following two reasons: 1. Like the U.S. news media, he is trying to maintain a "sheen of objectivity," even though pretty-much-everyone knows who the oddsman is pulling for. 2. The anonymous oddsman is a family service! ;) Still no word from Moscow, and now the oddsman is getting more curious than ever about whether there are still Clinton odds in mother Russia. Interesting that Ladbroke house has even stopped taking _Perot_ bets now. The horse race ends before it begins. anonymous oddsman "Demeaning the integrity of the U.S. Presidential election process for you on a regular basis, at no charge."

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Me again -- apologies and explanations
by h2＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I dont know what the hell is happening; My friend comes over and he is really intrested in all this stuff...I want to apologize for any trouble caused...My name goes with every damn message...Again, sorry everyone. Guess he wanted to rather have me screwed then him. Im unsubscribing...

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$30_bil
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

10-27-96. NYP Book Review: SECRET AGENCIES U.S. Intelligence in a Hostile World. By Loch K. Johnson. 262 pp. New Haven: Yale University Press. $30. Johnson, formerly assistant to Les Aspin, aims to explain what the dozen American intelligence agencies actually do with $30 billion a year. Absent the cartoon heroics, it's not far from Tom Clancy. Mr. Johnson avoids mushy reflections on the human costs of covert action -- this book is clearly meant for policy wonks -- but does note that "the long-term consequences of covert actions have seldom been foreseen -- and have often proved detrimental to the United States." ----- http://jya.com/$30bil.txt (5 kb) Server's got lead in its. Try, try. ftp://jya.com/pub/incoming/$30bil.txt $30_bil

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Command confirmation request (7B3F47)
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17 Dec '03

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Output of your job "cypherpunks"
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IEEE P1363 Meeting Notice
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 10:59:00 -0400 (EDT) To: Multiple Recipients of e$pam <e$pam(a)intertrader.com> From: e$pam(a)intertrader.com (e$pam) Reply-To: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com X-Comment: To unsubscribe, send an email to e$pam-request(a)intertrader.com X-Comment: containing the command "unsubscribe e$pam" Precedence: Bulk Subject: IEEE P1363 Meeting Notice X-orig-from: gor(a)theory.lcs.mit.edu (Raymond Sidney) (by way of rah(a)shipwright.com X-e$pam-source: Various Forwarded by Robert Hettinga ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Oct 1996 21:36:39 GMT From: gor(a)theory.lcs.mit.edu (Raymond Sidney) (by way of rah(a)shipwright.com (Robert A. Hettinga)) To: rah(a)shipwright.com Subject: IEEE P1363 Meeting Notice Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science Mime-Version: 1.0 Path: news-central.tiac.net!news-in.tiac.net!news-in3.tiac.net!news.sprintlink.net!ne w s-dc-5.sprintlink.net!voskovec.radio.cz!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.ruhr-uni-boc h um.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!RRZ.Uni-Koeln.DE!news.gtn.com!blackbush.xlink.net!t a nk.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.be.innet.net!INbe.net!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!h u nter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit

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No Subject
by Bovine Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It seems fair to say that if power was morely fairly distributed around the world, we could expect to see more cryptologists of the class of Chaum and Goldwasser, since third world people with similairly high aptitudes for the subject could think about these higher level (in terms of Maslow) things instead of how to avoid starvation. It also seems fair that we could expect the publication of more cryptological schemes that put governments at a disadvantage if the countless, starving third world people were just above the level of starvation and thinking of government collapse instead. These two points suggest that the millions of deaths in the third world have delayed the very collapse of governments that cryptoanarchists dream about in their beds at night. Now it could be argued that this is all in the past since cypherpunks already posses enough knowledge about cryptology to acheive the collapse of governments and all they are doing is waiting for the inevitable now and flaming each other to pass the time. :) What will cryptoanarchists do after the collapse of governments, though? If the ultimate goal of cryptoanarchy is to transfer power into the hands of the information producers and traders, then it seems that the third world presents a huge reservoir of potential information producers. Thus, cypherpunks ought to care about the conditions there. Here is a scenario cryptoanarchists might enjoy: Some corporations which rely primary on the actualization of scientific ideas into products along information traders buy the ownership of the resources from other corporations in the third world, and turn them back over to the people there. The third world people are then free from low-level material worries and can put their energy into information production, which the people controlling the information trade are careful to reward properly. Note that, under this scenario, the improvement of conditions in the Third World does not imply a diminishing of the power of the West with respect to the rest of the world: The West will still dominate the actualization of scientific ideas into products as they already own the capital to do that. Also they can will still own the computer networks the information is traded on. Thus, the impact of material resouce loss is minimalized over the long term. Note also that the conditions do not have to be much above the level of guarenteeing non-starvation, either. Consider, for instance, how far Eastern European students are ahead of Western students in terms of scientific and mathematical knowledge. The conditions there can hardly be thought of as being much above non-starvation levels. Under this scheme the information traders benefit. The corporations which actualize scientific ideas benefit. The corporations which sell their ownership of third world resources benefit. The information producers in the third world benefit. The non-information producers in the third world no longer starve, as well, so people can feel better that they are living in a happier world! Once Westerners start exploiting untapped information production resevoirs like Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union, all this good stuff might actually happen, too! :)

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No Subject
by Bovine Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It seems fair to say that if power was morely fairly distributed around the world, we could expect to see more cryptologists of the class of Chaum and Goldwasser, since third world people with similairly high aptitudes for the subject could think about these higher level (in terms of Maslow) things instead of how to avoid starvation. It also seems fair that we could expect the publication of more cryptological schemes that put governments at a disadvantage if the countless, starving third world people were just above the level of starvation and thinking of government collapse instead. These two points suggest that the millions of deaths in the third world have delayed the very collapse of governments that cryptoanarchists dream about in their beds at night. Now it could be argued that this is all in the past since cypherpunks already posses enough knowledge about cryptology to acheive the collapse of governments and all they are doing is waiting for the inevitable now and flaming each other to pass the time. :) What will cryptoanarchists do after the collapse of governments, though? If the ultimate goal of cryptoanarchy is to transfer power into the hands of the information producers and traders, then it seems that the third world presents a huge reservoir of potential information producers. Thus, cypherpunks ought to care about the conditions there. Here is a scenario cryptoanarchists might enjoy: Some corporations which rely primary on the actualization of scientific ideas into products along information traders buy the ownership of the resources from other corporations in the third world, and turn them back over to the people there. The third world people are then free from low-level material worries and can put their energy into information production, which the people controlling the information trade are careful to reward properly. Note that, under this scenario, the improvement of conditions in the Third World does not imply a diminishing of the power of the West with respect to the rest of the world: The West will still dominate the actualization of scientific ideas into products as they already own the capital to do that. Also they can will still own the computer networks the information is traded on. Thus, the impact of material resouce loss is minimalized over the long term. Note also that the conditions do not have to be much above the level of guarenteeing non-starvation, either. Consider, for instance, how far Eastern European students are ahead of Western students in terms of scientific and mathematical knowledge. The conditions there can hardly be thought of as being much above non-starvation levels. Under this scheme the information traders benefit. The corporations which actualize scientific ideas benefit. The corporations which sell their ownership of third world resources benefit. The information producers in the third world benefit. The non-information producers in the third world no longer starve, as well, so people can feel better that they are living in a happier world! Once Westerners start exploiting untapped information production resevoirs like Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union, all this good stuff might actually happen, too! :)

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(no subject)
by Michael Cortes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

unsuscribe cypherpunks

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Fed Ct hrg re Diffie-Hellman & Hellman-Merkle patents
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A hearing is scheduled in federal district court in San Jose for 10/30 at 10:00 AM on _Schlafly v. Public Key Partners_ and _RSA Datasec v. Cylink_. The hearing is on defendant Cylink's motion(s) for summary judgment regarding the validity of the Diffie-Hellman and Hellman-Merkle patents. The district court is located at 280 S. First in San Jose. Judge Williams is in Courtroom 4 on the 5th floor. There are 12 matters scheduled at 10:00 AM so it's unlikely that this matter will be heard at exactly 10:00. (It's listed as fifth in the court calendar in The Register and the Daily Journal, but I've got no clue about their algorithm for calling cases.) I don't know if it will be interesting or boring. The fewer metal things you bring the faster you can get through the metal detectors. More information is available at <http://www.cruzio.com/~schlafly> and <http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1005230/0000950005-96-000312.txt>. -- Greg Broiles | "We pretend to be their friends, gbroiles(a)netbox.com | but they fuck with our heads." http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | |

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Tim May is a fine person.
by anonymous＠miron.vip.best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May is the author of "The Crypto Anarchist Manifesto" and the "Cypherpunks FAQ". These seminal works do much to promote the cypherpunk concept, whereby ordinary people can limit the power of government to snoop on their communications, by using the power of cryptography. By tirelessly promoting strong unescrowed cryptography, Tim May frightens those that would enslave us all. His opposition to the oppressive ITAR regs puts Tim May among those who work to advance the development of culture and against those who would work to suppress it. Much of the time devoted to these concerns could have been devoted to purely personal goals. Tim May must be hailed as a truly noble supporter of the advance of freedom and humanity.

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[NEWS] Cuba and the Internet
by E. Allen Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I wonder what addresses they'll be using? I can't recall a Cuba domain, but I may easily be mistaken. If some consistent pattern can be found, cgi scripts could block them from getting to technically useful data, thus decreasing Cuba's economic viability further. -Allen > ______________________________________________________________________ > Schoolhouse Videos and CD's > ______________________________________________________________________ > Cuba to open Internet link, but only for some > __________________________________________________________________________ > Copyright © 1996 Nando.net > Copyright © 1996 Reuter Information Service > HAVANA (Oct 5, 1996 12:36 p.m. EDT) - Cuba will establish links with > the Internet from next week, but will initially allow only selected > scientific and other state institutions to have access to the > international information network, official Cuban media said Saturday. > The ruling Communist Party newspaper Granma said the state-run > National Center for Automized Exchange of Information (CENIAI), > designated as the national provider of the service, would set up the > link next Friday. > Cuban authorities said in June that access to the Internet would be > defined by Cuba's interests and priority would be given to individuals > and bodies with most relevance to the country's life and development. > Granma said the Internet link give Cuba access to a bank of world > knowledge and enable it to present its point of view to the world, > including in areas such as scientific advances. [...] > Copyright © 1996 Nando.net

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