December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Announcement: Very Good Privacy
by Benjamin Grosman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Sir, > I'm not sure how an encryption product that uses encryption > algorithms weaker than Pretty Good Privacy can be described > as being better than PGP. > > Especially when all the algorithms listed have known problems > of one kind, or another. << And yes, I know that the known > problems -- in some instances --- are entirely theoretical in > nature. >> What puzzles me is that he included two cyphers that are _extremely_ easy to break, the vignere cypher and the ascii cypher. Why include these? And what is his new permutation of RC4 and DES? Yours Sincerely, Benjamin Grosman

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Strong-crypto smart cards in Singapore and Germany
by pgut001＠cs.auckland.ac.nz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Wednesday's "Straits Times" contains two front-page articles on the introduction of a CashCard which acts as an electronic wallet capable of storing from $10-$200 ("Dr Hu launches cash-in-a-card payment system"), and an identity card capable of Internet electronic transactions with (presumably RSA) 1024-bit encryption ("50,000 to take part in electronic ID trials"). The ID card can also be implemented as software on disk. It appears to be purely a form of storing an ID which is then transmitted in encrypted form. The CashCard, on the other hard, is an electronic wallet developed by a group of Singapore banks. There are no details on how it works, except that it doesn't have any sort of protection - it's up to you to make sure the card isn't stolen. The standardisation committee of the German banks have also produced an electronic wallet which should have 25 million (yes, 25M) users by January of next year. Again, this is a pure electronic wallet, with 2-key triple DES and 768-bit (to become 1024-bit) RSA encryption. The relevant standards are still in the process of being translated, but should be available Real Soon Now (the complete specification will be made public). This looks like a very nice system, and unlike Mondex doesn't rely entirely on the hope that criminals can't get at the data on the card. Peter.

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Re: Announcement: Very Good Privacy
by Mark Rosen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> What puzzles me is that he included two cyphers that are _extremely_ easy to > break, the vignere cypher and the ascii cypher. Why include these? And what > is his new permutation of RC4 and DES? The reason I included ASCII and Vigenere was because they are very fast; on a friend's machine, I can get 1.7mb/s with ASCII but only around 600k/s with NewDES, the fastest "secure" cipher. I do agree that it is kind of redundant to include both ASCII and Vigenere, as from a cracking standpoint, they are both identical. As for Psuedo-RC4, that is just to try to avoid a lawsuit from RSADSI; RC4 is a trademark. NewDES is an actual algorithm; it's even mentioned in Applied Cryptography. It does have some holes and is in fact less secure than DES (refer to Applied Cryptography for details on this); I included that because it is fast and provides much, much more security than ASCII or Vigenere, even if it is less secure than DES. Mark Rosen FireSoft - http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/2690 Mark Eats AOL - http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/6660

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Re: Announcement: Very Good Privacy
by Mark Rosen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > I have written an encryption program called Very Good Privacy > > Trademark violation here. Probably not a good thing. Is PGP trademarked? Are you sure? And if it is, is naming something Very Good Privacy a violation? Why? Legal people, please help! > I'm not sure how an encryption product that uses encryption > algorithms weaker than Pretty Good Privacy can be described > as being better than PGP. > > Especially when all the algorithms listed have known problems > of one kind, or another. << And yes, I know that the known > problems -- in some instances --- are entirely theoretical in > nature. >> In your quote, you deleted the smiley about VGP. It's a joke. Your claim that VGP is weaker than PGP is unfounded, as VGP uses IDEA, which is the symmetric algorithm used in PGP. ASCII and Vigenere are very weak, but they are fast and geared toward people who simply want to stop their brother or sister from getting into something. As for the security of other algorithms, BlowFish is used in PGPfone and RC4 is used in SSL -- since you control the key size in VGP, you can make RC4 virtually unbreakable (not to mention the problem of the attacker figuring out the key size in the first place). Mark Rosen FireSoft - http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/2690 Mark Eats AOL - http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/6660

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WinSock Remailer Back Up
by Joey Grasty 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Y'all: Due to a misconfiguration on one of the two machines that operate the WinSock Remailer, messages were lost from about Wednesday, 27 November, to Sunday, 1 December. We apologize for the lost messages. Regards, Joey Grasty Jim Ray WinSock Remailer Operators -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQB1AwUBMqJvkg6sYKeTQAOtAQGrNwMA2MYpRHLtkeksVcoyx6T9+V+36fey8FXM sdbxI3DjN8Xq8Se81R7+qXNWxgVx2/HxQtu4w9Ea1GQz4B8cjYdlMVLXNIgdGrHy 3We8saHtvVIzCTFnvFIEn6MStNAZb+gw =9Vso -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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NEWS.COM DAILY DISPATCH
by The CNET newsletter 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Ignoramus Chewed-Off on IPG algorithm
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I was sort of tired of endless talk that "IPG algorithm was not peer-reviewed, blah blah blah, so we won't even look at it, blah blah blah", and decided to look at what Don Wood writes and try to see how his program actually works. Of course, I am not an expert in cryptography, and will appreciate all corrections. The web page to look at is http://www.netprivacy.com/algo.html, and it describes IPG algorithm in some detail. First of all, the description of the algorithm is extremely unclear. I understand that this may be Don Wood's writing style, but it is certainly not the most efficient style for precise communications. I suggest that Don tries to rewrite his description to be more structured. Second, I seriously suspect that his algorithm of "trimming" is NOT going to work right. Just to remind everyone, he generates pseudo-random A(JV), B(JV), C(JV) such that 16384 < C < 20361 B < 12227 A arbitrary (at least the web page contains no restrictions on the value of A). and then goes on to "trimming" -- a process that obtains a new value of A that is LESS than 16384 through this algorithm: DO JV=JV+1 IF JV=53 THEN JV=0 A(JV)=(A(JV)+B(JV)) MOD C(JV) UNTIL A(JV)<16384 We shall first note that THERE ARE CASES WHEN THIS ALGORITHM WILL NEVER STOP! For example, if all A values are _initially_ 16385 and all C values are 16386 and all B's are 0, it is obvious that the pseudocode above will be stuck in endless loop. No good for IPG algorithm. in fact, if only some triplets of A, B, and C have B == 0 and 16384 < A < C, these triplets will always be ignored (skipped) by his trimming process. Second, IPG's claim that ``Of even greater importance is the second role of producing a distribution of the numbers 0 to 16383, so that the number of each of those numbers produce, asymptotically approach an even distribution, in the same way that theoretically a true random number generator produces a set of numbers whose frequency asymptotically approach an even distribution'' is FALSE: I do not see why the distribution of A's should necessarily contain all numbers from 0 to 16383, less to "approach" an even distribution. For example, if all initial A, B, and Cs are even numbers, we'll obviously never get an odd number for A(JV), no matter how many iterations. If, say, 40 out of 53 of triplets A, B, and C contain only even numbers (not a statistical impossibility!), then about 75% of resulting values of A(JV) will be even. No good for the keystream. There are many more imperfections than just related to all-even triplets. - - - - Let's go on, to the description of the "scrambling tables" and actual encryption. He uses three tables, DIFF, DISP, DETR, each containing 4096 elements. DISP is randomly generated (or so I understand his term "prescrambled"), DIFF is a random transposition of DISP (same values as in DISP, but in another order), and DETR, again, is filled with some random data. It does not really matter to my analysis how DISP and DETR are generated. Here's how he encrypts the data (in a loop for I from 0 to 4095): D1=(D1+A(JV)) AND 4095 D2=DISP((D2+D1) AND 4095) F=DETR(D2)<<8 D3=(D3+D2) AND 4095 BUF(DIFF(I))=BUF(DIFF(I)) XOR (F+(DETR(DISP(D3)))) I.e., D1, D2, and D3 are regenerated each pass of the loop and then are used to encrypt item DIFF[I] (i.e., 2-byte word with index DIFF[i], NOT I). That is very bad: what it means is that we are not guaranteed that all BUF[i] will be scrambled! It is fairly clear that about 1/(e*e) (e is the base of natural logs) will be left unscrambled!!! This follows from the fact that even with perfectly random numbers used as DIFF[i], the probability that a cell J will be scrambled is 2/4096 (it is 2 and not 1 since each hit covers two bytes and not one). Therefore, the probability that cell J will be left unscrambled is (1-2/4096) ** 4096 which is approximately equal exp(-2) == 1/(e*e). It means that 1 out of seven characters will be left unencrypted at all. No good for a stream cipher. I think that his cipher could have been made stronger if he actually did not use DIFF[i] as an index and used I instead. Still, of course, his algorithm has nothing to do with one time pads. Since this is clearly not a matter of high theories but a simple question of accepted definitions, there is little point to argue about it and I preferred to address details of his algorithm instead. There may be more problems with IPG algorithm that I simply missed. I would appreciate your corrections and notes. Thank you. - Igor.

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Re: The Difference Between The Right And Left
by Murray Hayes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, 27 Nov 1996 22:47:06 -0800, Troy Varange wrote: > The French Revolution perhaps provided the best > definition as the origional coiners of the terms. > > The Left is for radical change and the Right is for > evolutionary change. The Jacobin (sp) sat on the left side while the other guys (I forget their names) sat on the right. Of course both used to be on the left before they klled everyone on the right after which an expansion of sorts happened to fill the seats. I think the event was called the night of the long knives? > > That would put mainstream politics decidedly on the right > wing side of the political spectrum. I would have thought main stream would have been in the middle. > The left wing is a rather motly collection including many > anarchists, communists and nazis, yet many of the same > types are decidedly right wing. mhayes(a)infomatch.com It's better for us if you don't understand It's better for me if you don't understand -Tragically Hip

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Re: Ignoramus Chewed-Off on IPG algorithm
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > > Hi, > > I was sort of tired of endless talk that "IPG algorithm was not > peer-reviewed, blah blah blah, so we won't even look at it, > blah blah blah", and decided to look at what Don Wood writes and > try to see how his program actually works. > > Of course, I am not an expert in cryptography, and will appreciate all > corrections. The web page to look at is http://www.netprivacy.com/algo.html, > and it describes IPG algorithm in some detail. > > First of all, the description of the algorithm is extremely unclear. I > understand that this may be Don Wood's writing style, but it is certainly > not the most efficient style for precise communications. I suggest that > Don tries to rewrite his description to be more structured. > > Second, I seriously suspect that his algorithm of "trimming" is NOT > going to work right. Just to remind everyone, he generates pseudo-random > A(JV), B(JV), C(JV) such that > > 16384 < C < 20361 > B < 12227 > A arbitrary (at least the web page contains no restrictions > on the value of A). > > and then goes on to "trimming" -- a process that obtains a new value > of A that is LESS than 16384 through this algorithm: > > DO > JV=JV+1 > IF JV=53 THEN JV=0 > A(JV)=(A(JV)+B(JV)) MOD C(JV) > UNTIL A(JV)<16384 > > We shall first note that THERE ARE CASES WHEN THIS ALGORITHM WILL NEVER > STOP! For example, if all A values are _initially_ 16385 and all C > values are 16386 and all B's are 0, it is obvious that the pseudocode > above will be stuck in endless loop. > > No good for IPG algorithm. > > in fact, if only some triplets of A, B, and C have B == 0 and 16384 < A < C, > these triplets will always be ignored (skipped) by his trimming process. Note also that if B(K) == 1, his algorithm will need to make C passes through the loop for JV == k, in order to generate a new value of A(JV). This is very inefficient and results in a bias for triplets with high Bs -- because they will generate good A(JV) more frequently. - Igor.

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Re: Ignoramus Chewed-Off on IPG algorithm
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > > Let's go on, to the description of the "scrambling tables" and > actual encryption. > > He uses three tables, DIFF, DISP, DETR, each containing 4096 elements. > DISP is randomly generated (or so I understand his term "prescrambled"), > DIFF is a random transposition of DISP (same values as in DISP, but in > another order), and DETR, again, is filled with some random data. > Correction: by "scrambling" Don means transposing elements of the table containing 4096 numbers 1-4096. - Igor.

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Re: Building a DC-NET
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Black Unicorn <unicorn(a)schloss.li> writes: > On Sat, 30 Nov 1996, Simon Spero wrote: > > > (what's the Alice/Bob name for someone trying a denial of service attack?) > > Louis? John the petty small-time bitch? --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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"CypherPunks" and The Pink Swastika
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Slothrop" <slothrop(a)poisson.com> writes: <anti-semitic spam> Read the _Pink Swastika_ to learn more about the role the likes of Jason Durbin and John Gilmore played in Hitler's rise to power. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Detweiller spotted?
by nobody＠cypherpunks.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dale Thorn said: >Now that's what I call amazing. Maybe I could rewrite PGP >tomorrow (hee hee). Is anyone else hearing a familiar (and again, constant) voice from the past? Maybe I'm wrong, but has anyone met him in person? Just asking.

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Re: IPG Algorith Broken!
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Some of these bullies, like Paul Bradley, realize that they don't know > the meanings of the words they use. Paul Bradley not only posts nonsense > about brute force attacks on OTP, but also harrasses anyone who exposes > his utter ignorance, in en effort to intimidate them into shutting up. You don`t seem to realise that not only is my reputation unnafected by your worthless drivel about "brute force attacks on one time pads", which everyone else apart from you and Don immediately accepted as a simple misunderstanding of the topic of the message (I was talking about stream ciphers), but I am finding it rather amusing to watch the level of your rants deteriorate to the point where you now label anyone who actually posts about cryptography on this list as a "k00l hAcKiNg D00d" who knows nothing of what he is talking about. And as for harrasing people to shut up if you had been watching the traffic on the list you would have noticed that I disagreed with John over throwing you off the list. I simply wonder if the reason you appear to be so calm offline but a foaming at the mouth lunatic online is that you are scared someone is going to give you the good kicking you so rightly deserve. > "Cypherpunks'" opinion of any proposed new cryptosystem is worthless and > irrelevant. And I suppose the opinion of a man who cannot control his urges to post rants about "sovok jews" and armenian refugees is of great value to the learned and worthy??? Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Copyright violations
by varange＠crl.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

But software wants to be free! -- Cheers!

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How long do you want to live?
by All＠Internet.Users 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: denial of service and government rights
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This thread is probably already due for a change in the Subject line, but I'll leave it untouched for the moment. On 30 Nov 96 at 13:10, Black Unicorn wrote: > On Fri, 29 Nov 1996, Greg Broiles wrote: > [...] > > > I don't see any reason why this wouldn't be true for a > > computer. Fed.Rul.Crim.Pro. 41(b)(1) allows the seizure > > (but seizure is not forfeiture) of "property that > > constitutes evidence of the commission of a > > criminal offense". > > It is true of computers. > Take the case of Ripco (the Chicago BBS raided in the > SunDevil raids back when). > > I don't think "Dr. Ripco" has yet gotten his equipment > back. I don't know for sure, but what I do know is > that 5 years after the raid, he still had certainly > not gotten anything back. [....] > Recall also that Ripco was never specifically charged > (or the minor charges that they did try to pin didn't > stick). > > Also recall that Ripco (now ripco.com) was raided with a > -sealed- warrant. I dont think that the contents of that > warrant have, even today, been released (though I could > be mistaken). Certainly 5 years after they had not. [....] > > But there's a big difference between "seizure" and > > "forfeiture". > > I'd argue with computer hardware it is a distinction > without a difference. Seizing computer hardware (like > Ripco's stuff) for in excess of 5 years is tantamount > to forfeiture given depreciation and so forth. > > Add to this the very liberal rules about how long the > feds can take to even CHARGE you with a crime after > seizure.... And it sums to a very bleak picture, indeed. [....] > > So yes, there may be a statute which gives title to > > the government in computers used to commit crimes, > > and no, the Supreme Court won't necessarily care > > about an "innocent owner". > > Again, I would argue that such a statute needn't even > exist given the rules already well estlablished and > demonstrated in action with regard to indefinate > seizure of computer hardware even in the absence of > criminal claims against the owner. Please forgive my naivete, but are there no legal weapons available to the 'victims' in such cases? I'm passingly familiar with the Operation Sundevil fiasco -- i.e., with the outcome re the principal 'charges'. I'm appalled, however, at the apparent lack of remedies for return of such seized property. Are individuals who find themselves in such a predicament simply at the government's mercy (there's an oxymoron for ya)?? Tired Fighter

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Re: denial of service and government rights
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mail Delivery Subsystem wrote: > ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- > <Tired.Fighter(a)dhp.com> (unrecoverable error) > 550 <Tired.Fighter(a)dhp.com>... User unknown > ----- Original message follows ----- > Tired.Fighter(a)dhp.com wrote: > > On 30 Nov 96 at 13:10, Black Unicorn wrote: > > > On Fri, 29 Nov 1996, Greg Broiles wrote: > > > > I don't see any reason why this wouldn't be true for a > > > > computer. Fed.Rul.Crim.Pro. 41(b)(1) allows the seizure > > > > (but seizure is not forfeiture) of "property that > > > > constitutes evidence of the commission of a > > > > criminal offense". > > [snip] > > > Please forgive my naivete, but are there no legal > > weapons available to the 'victims' in such cases? > > I'm passingly familiar with the Operation Sundevil > > fiasco -- i.e., with the outcome re the principal > > 'charges'. I'm appalled, however, at the apparent > > lack of remedies for return of such seized property. > > Are individuals who find themselves in such a > > predicament simply at the government's mercy (there's > > an oxymoron for ya)?? > > Just in case someone replies saying "It's not all that bad", or "It can't > happen here", etc., you should know this: > > The United States government has not been responsive to the people for > a long time, but what's become evident in recent years is that they're > also no longer responsive to basic law and order. > > They do respond to extreme pressure, as was applied in the Weaver, Waco, > and other similar cases, but, as a general rule, they do whatever they > want all the way to the top of the Justice dept. with impunity. > > Example: George Bush's old pal at the Wash. DC P.R. firm hires the > niece(?) of a Kuwaiti official to testify in front of Congress in full > view of the American people on television, that the Iraquis were throwing > babies out of incubators in Kuwait, thereby securing the necessary votes > in Congress to prosecute the Gulf War. > > When it was discovered (after the "war") that the Incubator Baby Scandal > was a lie, nobody was prosecuted. Further, in blatant violation of the > U.S. Constitution, Bush and Schwartzkopf were knighted by Queen Elizabeth > II of England. > > There are also numerous examples of the Justice dept. being caught red- > handed forging documents to frame people for whom they had no evidence or > insufficient evidence to prosecute, and what happens in those cases? > Nothing.

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Re: Building a DC-NET
by Gary Howland 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dimitri writes: > > Black Unicorn <unicorn(a)schloss.li> writes: > > > On Sat, 30 Nov 1996, Simon Spero wrote: > > > > > (what's the Alice/Bob name for someone trying a denial of service attack?) > > > > Louis? > > John the petty small-time bitch? How about William? (Can't use Bill, since 'B' is taken). Could refer to Clinton (since he denies services to Cuba etc.), or to Gates (the creator of 'denial of service', aka. DOS). Gary

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ubject
by Gary Howland 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Swastikas halt Corel sales By Reuters November 25, 1996, 12 p.m. PT MUNICH, Germany--Corel (COSFF) software company has temporarily halted sales of its top-selling Corel Draw graphics program in Germany because it includes four banned Nazi symbols, a company spokesman said today. The Canadian company will remove three drawings of Adolf Hitler and one swastika from future versions of its popular software, spokesman Thomas Layer said. It is also distributing warning labels to be placed on versions now being sold, Layer said. The label warns that the "improper use of digital images and symbols" found in the programs Corel Draw 4.0, 5.0, and 6.0 is prohibited in Germany, which bans public displays of Nazi symbols. Munich's state prosecutor launched an investigation into the software on October 2 after learning that someone had used the banned images to print business cards for a neo-Nazi group, Layer said. This is not the first time that the company has had complaints due to their clip art images. In 1992, pressure from US Black rights organisations forced drawings of the Ku Kux Klan to be removed from the collection. Consideration is also being given to the removal of other images from the collection, either due to legal restrictions in various countries, or due to complaints from organisations such as the Simon Wiesenthal Center. Images considered for removal include a burning US flag, Josef Stalin, the Star of David icon, a cannabis leaf, and a drawing of a woman in a bathing costume. Corel Draw provides more than 24,000 clip art drawings and symbols that computer users can copy. The company suspended the sales on November 19.

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COREL TO CENSOR ALL CLIP ART WORLDWIDE
by nobody＠cypherpunks.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Swastikas halt Corel sales By Reuters November 25, 1996, 12 p.m. PT MUNICH, Germany--Corel (COSFF) software company has temporarily halted sales of its top-selling Corel Draw graphics program in Germany because it includes four banned Nazi symbols, a company spokesman said today. The Canadian company will remove three drawings of Adolf Hitler and one swastika from future versions of its popular software, spokesman Thomas Layer said. It is also distributing warning labels to be placed on versions now being sold, Layer said. The label warns that the "improper use of digital images and symbols" found in the programs Corel Draw 4.0, 5.0, and 6.0 is prohibited in Germany, which bans public displays of Nazi symbols. Munich's state prosecutor launched an investigation into the software on October 2 after learning that someone had used the banned images to print business cards for a neo-Nazi group, Layer said. This is not the first time that the company has had complaints due to their clip art images. In 1992, pressure from US Black rights organisations forced drawings of the Ku Kux Klan to be removed from the collection. Consideration is also being given to the removal of other images from the collection, either due to legal restrictions in various countries, or due to complaints from organisations such as the Simon Wiesenthal Center. Images considered for removal include a burning US flag, Josef Stalin, the Star of David icon, a cannabis leaf, and a drawing of a woman in a bathing costume. Corel Draw provides more than 24,000 clip art drawings and symbols that computer users can copy. The company suspended the sales on November 19.

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by nobody＠cypherpunks.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Swastikas halt Corel sales By Reuters November 25, 1996, 12 p.m. PT MUNICH, Germany--Corel (COSFF) software company has temporarily halted sales of its top-selling Corel Draw graphics program in Germany because it includes four banned Nazi symbols, a company spokesman said today. The Canadian company will remove three drawings of Adolf Hitler and one swastika from future versions of its popular software, spokesman Thomas Layer said. It is also distributing warning labels to be placed on versions now being sold, Layer said. The label warns that the "improper use of digital images and symbols" found in the programs Corel Draw 4.0, 5.0, and 6.0 is prohibited in Germany, which bans public displays of Nazi symbols. Munich's state prosecutor launched an investigation into the software on October 2 after learning that someone had used the banned images to print business cards for a neo-Nazi group, Layer said. This is not the first time that the company has had complaints due to their clip art images. In 1992, pressure from US Black rights organisations forced drawings of the Ku Kux Klan to be removed from the collection. Consideration is also being given to the removal of other images from the collection, either due to legal restrictions in various countries, or due to complaints from organisations such as the Simon Wiesenthal Center. Images considered for removal include a burning US flag, Josef Stalin, the Star of David icon, a cannabis leaf, and a drawing of a woman in a bathing costume. Corel Draw provides more than 24,000 clip art drawings and symbols that computer users can copy. The company suspended the sales on November 19.

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