December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: What the NSA is patenting
by pgut001＠cs.auckland.ac.nz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>>United States Patent Patent Number: 5264794 >>> Date of Patent: 23 Nov 1993 >>> >>>Method of measuring magnetic fields on magnetically recorded media using a >>>scanning tunneling microscope and magnetic probe >>techology isn't much different from what's publicly available), in this case >>all they were doing was protecting their investment (just like the various PKC >>patents originally assigned to universities). >I'm sure there's going to be a REALLY marketable device out of this to get >royalties off of. No, the market for the more mainstream MFM's is small (a few K devices), for MFSTM's it's even smaller (a few dozen?). MFSTM's are usually built by universities for research purposes, which means the patent won't affect them. As I said before, it's purely a "we paid for the research, we want some paper to wave around to justify the cost" thing. >Question: if we pay taxes, then we pay for the research. if we pay for the >research, we should be able to see the results, just like shareholders in a >company. You can see the results, just read the Journal of Applied Physics or IEEE Transactions on Magnetics. I know people like to come up with conspiracy theories about the NSA, but this patent won't work as the basis for one. Peter.

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Re: TWA 800 - Friendly Fire?
by Mark Neely 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Look at what has been happening in the news lately -- and look at how >much is "unexplained" or flimsy evidencially speaking, in the very least. >If, for instance, the government wanted to cut down on civil >liberties/civil rights, it would seem MIGHTY CONVENIENT that so much is >"accidentally" happening so close together. >-Millie >sfuze(a)tiac.net Yes, I wonder if the WhiteHouse will rush through a bill overturning the anti-terrorist measures which they justified on the basis of the TWA bombing. Regards, Mark ___ Mark Neely - accessnt(a)ozemail.com.au Lawyer, Internet Consultant, Professional Cynic Author: Australian Beginner's Guide to the Internet (2nd Ed.) Australian Business Guide to the Internet Internet Guide for Teachers, Students & Parents Check out my Anti-SPAM FAQ: http://www.accessnt.com.au/faqs/spam.htm

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[PARANOID NOISE]Re: TWA 800 - Friendly Fire?
by jfricker＠vertexgroup.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:55 PM 9/7/96 -0700, you wrote: ><pstira(a)escape.com> wrote: >> The one thing I have been thinking about, since the very beginning, is >> am I the only person who feels this might have been somewhat less than >> unintentional? It sure would be easy to take those rights away if >> everyone is afraid for their "lives"... >> Look at what has been happening in the news lately, and look at how >> much is "unexplained" or flimsy evidencially speaking, in the very >> least. >> If, for instance, the government wanted to cut down on civil >> liberties/civil rights, it would seem MIGHTY CONVENIENT that so much >> is "accidentally" happening so close together. >> Ditto with the Olympics thing. >> I vote something is QUITE fishy, and I guess I hope I'm not the only >> one paranoid enough to feel the same. > >Sure something's fishy. Look at the technological capabilities they >have, and we're not keeping up with them. One example: > >L.A. riots, 1992. 6,500 or so fires, unknown arsonist(s). But very >convenient for clearing certain properties if you're putting in a new >freeway or subway tunnel, and you don't want to have to fight with all >the riffraff who might be resistant to getting up and moving. > >So how do you light all those fires? Do it the hard way - plant the >stuff (6,000-plus times!) and hope nobody catches your guys, or light >'em up from satellites, using "new experimental" focused energy. Gosh, >Mr. Bill, would they do that? Guess it depends on what you're willing to >believe. Remember what Tom Wolfe wrote about? "The reason the folks on >the East Coast (circa 1700's) were such easy victims for the pirates was >the fact that they couldn't comprehend just how vicious and ruthless the >pirates really were." (quote approximate). > > For some reason I find seeing satellites flying in formation rather disturbing. The classic 3-4-5 right triangle makes somebody's math easier, I'm sure. I have watched the sky for 20 years and seeing that pattern glide across the sky made we wonder just what the shuttle is doing up there. How many satellites have been placed in orbit? How precise are their positions? --j

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Re: take the pledge
by attila 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Alright! it's a genuine PerryGram! I'll take the pledge; I've never been able to answer Sternlight without being significantly more offensive than usual! attila -- one of the few things we all share: the utter, corrosive contempt for our elected officials. -------------------------------------------------------- In, on 07/19/96 at 12:06 PM, "Perry E. Metzger" <perry(a)piermont.com> said: =Subject: take the pledge =Look, folks, we all know that 99% of what David Sternlight posts is =garbage. Why don't we all pledge not to answer any of his posts, and =then he'll go away. If necessary, someone can be appointed to post a =weekly "the views expressed by David are junk and we are deliberately =not replying to them directly" message. =David has plenty of places to argue with the wind. We don't need to =add this one. =I'd like to ask people to publically pledge that they will not reply =to David's messages. This is such a pledge. =Perry

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Re: /\/\/\/\/HELP\/\/\/\/\ !!!!!!!!!
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I really need help unsubscribing from the Cypherpunks list! it is imperative! > It is Imperrative that you do the following to ubsubscibe umself luddite. Get 3 other friends to send in messages to majordomo(a)toad.com with the line subscribe cypherpunks (their email address here) in the message then once they have subscribed send a message to cypherpunks(a)eff.org with the following in it: Authorise: (email 1) (email 2) (email 3) END replacing (email x) with their email addresses. then send a message to majordomo(a)toad.com with the line: unsubscribe cypherpunks (your email) and you will be taken off the 3 friends email addresses act as a security protocol to ensure you cannot be maliciously removed by someone else.. they will then have to repeat the exercise with 3 friends each of their own to unsubscribe themselves and so on down the chain... good luck. Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Http://www.fatmans.demon.co.uk/crypt/ "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey" -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQCNAjH9j+cAAAEEAMBvREiQR0ot9dFCO0TiSCSunAYLv2g1Bc6I3bz8FzKXNH53 6mieJf/W4rD+CxJpT0q9RQaaoRtkHJLwbjfK2il3D7mEahMAyqvF/xRJNqkXfhM3 sRJM0Jh43l+W0M5vwokbEbk25/bxWWGspTsLD3YHbzKnG6pOcL5OPIRbv66xAAUR tCdQYXVsIEJyYWRsZXkgPHBhdWxAZmF0bWFucy5kZW1vbi5jby51az4= =riHc -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Another Namespace Collision
by Charles Gimon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.blacknet.cz *********************************************************************** Wild new Ubik salad dressing, not | gimonca(a)skypoint.com Italian, not French, but an entirely | Minneapolis MN USA new and different taste treat that's | http://www.skypoint.com/~gimonca waking up the world! | A lean, mean meme machine. ***********************************************************************

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Re: talker
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 07 Sep 1996 21:52:25 EDT, Floyd W Odom wrote: > I am doom13. If there is anyone out there who is a hacker or >would like to be one you can talk to me and find out stuff like cracking. >Just drop a message at doom13(a)juno.com. Hmmmm... Want to bet our other friend at juno.com sent him? I might just end up killfiling juno.com... Obviously a low-IQ area of the net. - "'Anonymity is bad,' says a source who wishes to remain anonymous." - Nuff' said. * Home: Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp * Autoresponder: send email w/subject of "send resume" or "send PGPKEY" * Work: cadams(a)acucobol.com | V.M. (619)515-4894 | (619)689-6579 * Member in good standing of the GNU whirled hors d'oeuvre

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Re: talker
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:26 PM 9/8/96 -0500, Roger Williams wrote: > Yup -- you're never going to see a very high SNR out of Juno: Yes, the anarchy list has a persistent moron from Juno.com, educated well above his intelligence. A seriously proflic loon. I have told eudora to transfer everything from juno.com into my loon file, regardless of author. Makes AOL.com look like caltech. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: /\/\/\/\/HELP\/\/\/\/\ !!!!!!!!!
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 7 Sep 1996 16:46:40 -0500, kickboxer wrote: >I really need help unsubscribing from the Cypherpunks list! it is imperative! We could probably just condense that message by removing everything after the fourth word without losing much... - "'Anonymity is bad,' says a source who wishes to remain anonymous." - Nuff' said. * Home: Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp * Autoresponder: send email w/subject of "send resume" or "send PGPKEY" * Work: cadams(a)acucobol.com | V.M. (619)515-4894 | (619)689-6579 * Member in good standing of the GNU whirled hors d'oeuvre

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Re: talker
by Blake Wehlage 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I am doom13. If there is anyone out there who is a hacker or >would like to be one you can talk to me and find out stuff like cracking. >Just drop a message at doom13(a)juno.com. OK.... I'M sick of this spamming..... ITS CYPHERpunks, NOT CYBERpunks. ps.... u don't 'ask someone to be a hacker, u have to find it out ur self.... one more thing... how come all these 'spamers' are from juno... and one make this connect too??? my very own 13 year old $0.02 ========================================== Blake Wehlage <jwilk(a)iglou.com> ±» RëVðLû¡ØÑ Bø+ ©ÖmP@ñ¥ «± Goto: http://members.iglou.com/jwilk

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Teledesic, the censored internet in the sky.
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Teledesic, the censored internet in the sky. Late last year the organized violence monopolies of the world voted to give Bill Gates 400 Megahertz of bandwidth, at the same frequency in each monopoly. I would guesstimate the value of this grant to be around ten billion dollars. Don't run out and buy Microsoft shares. When I said Bill Gates, I meant Bill Gates. I did not mean Microsoft. Bill Gates intends to build an internet in the sky, eight hundred satellites in low earth orbit, each of them with big bandwidth connections to its nearest neighbors, and each with a four hundred megahertz connection to each of many squares of ground underneath it. What caused the collected killers of the world to show such unanimous generosity towards Bill Gates? Bill Gates proposed a network that would be completely censorable. He will not sell pipes to his space backbone, he will sell pipes from a particular rectangle on the ground to its space backbone. You would buy a right to connect from any place in a single small area, not any a right to connect from any place in the world, and Bill Gates would only sell such rights to government approved organizations, which would then presumably resell connections to private individuals -- connections that would first run through government controlled pipes to check for politically incorrect bits before they reached Bill Gates' sky backbone. Of course we should not condemn him too harshly for this: He needs approval from Singapore, Iran, France, Germany, Communist China, and the like, in order to get a single uniform world wide frequency band, and would be unlikely to get it for any reasonable proposal. The government pipes in his proposal are as useless as wheels on a fish, because he promises his ground stations will be quite cheap. Therefore private citizens who are not permitted direct access to his internet in the sky will feel the impact of tyranny immediately in their wallets. Bill Gates internet in the sky will provide short and near constant latency, therefore telephone connections running through it should be pretty good, whereas existing internet phone sucks mightily. Teledesic is promised to come on line in 2001, though we have seen how Microsoft meets schedules in the past. I conjecture 2006. I also predict that once the scheme is securely in place, and jamming it becomes painful, Bill Gates will find a thousand ways to chisel the government monopoly middlemen in his proposal. I would guess that Motorola's less ambitious Iridium project will only be a year or two late, but it has little potential to revolutionize the world the way Bill Gates proposal has. I expect once the scheme is in place, the government monopolies in Gate's plan will be under attack both from above and from below. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Deleted Message (fwd)
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-- I hate lightning - finger for public key - Vote Monarchist unicorn(a)schloss.li ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 7 Sep 96 16:56:55 -24000 From: MAILER-DAEMON(a)mqg-smtp3.usmc.mil To: unicorn(a)schloss.li Subject: Deleted Message To: "Jon Lebkowsky" <jonl(a)well.com> From: MQG-SMTP3@USMC_MASTERINET@Servers[<unicorn(a)schloss.li>] Subject: Re: What is the EFF doing exactly? Message in Transport deleted by: ADMINISTRATOR@USMC_MASTERINET@Servers

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Deleted Message (fwd)
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cute eh? -- I hate lightning - finger for public key - Vote Monarchist unicorn(a)schloss.li ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 7 Sep 96 17:00:49 -24000 From: MAILER-DAEMON(a)mqg-smtp3.usmc.mil To: unicorn(a)schloss.li Subject: Deleted Message To: "Vladimir Z. Nuri" <vznuri(a)netcom.com> From: MQG-SMTP3@USMC_MASTERINET@Servers[<unicorn(a)schloss.li>] Subject: Re: What is the EFF doing exactly? Message in Transport deleted by: ADMINISTRATOR@USMC_MASTERINET@Servers

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No Subject
by gsi＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If you would like to get your hands on the 96 hackers catalog its here and if you want to have it : to get it thriugh the snail mail system send 1.00 to the address below to get it through e-mail send .50 to the address below Patrick Cummings GSI 6302 Maple st. omaha,ne 68104 for more information write to gsi(a)juno.com

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(Fwd) Teledesic, the censored internet in the sky.
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- to: Bill Gates, Microsoft Corp. From: jf_avon(a)citenet.net Date: 8 sept 1996 Cc.: cypehrpunks(a)toad.com Mr. Gates Could you please enlighten me about this proposed system and about the veracity of the following information? Thanks jfa - -- Jean-Francois Avon, Montreal QC Canada DePompadour, Societe d'Importation Ltee Limoges porcelain, silverware and crystal JFA Technologies R&D consultants: physicists technologists and engineers. PGP keys at: http://w3.citenet.net/users/jf_avon ID# C58ADD0D : 529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 - ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 06:22:47 -0700 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> Subject: Teledesic, the censored internet in the sky. Teledesic, the censored internet in the sky. Late last year the organized violence monopolies of the world voted to give Bill Gates 400 Megahertz of bandwidth, at the same frequency in each monopoly. I would guesstimate the value of this grant to be around ten billion dollars. Don't run out and buy Microsoft shares. When I said Bill Gates, I meant Bill Gates. I did not mean Microsoft. Bill Gates intends to build an internet in the sky, eight hundred satellites in low earth orbit, each of them with big bandwidth connections to its nearest neighbors, and each with a four hundred megahertz connection to each of many squares of ground underneath it. What caused the collected killers of the world to show such unanimous generosity towards Bill Gates? Bill Gates proposed a network that would be completely censorable. He will not sell pipes to his space backbone, he will sell pipes from a particular rectangle on the ground to its space backbone. You would buy a right to connect from any place in a single small area, not any a right to connect from any place in the world, and Bill Gates would only sell such rights to government approved organizations, which would then presumably resell connections to private individuals -- connections that would first run through government controlled pipes to check for politically incorrect bits before they reached Bill Gates' sky backbone. Of course we should not condemn him too harshly for this: He needs approval from Singapore, Iran, France, Germany, Communist China, and the like, in order to get a single uniform world wide frequency band, and would be unlikely to get it for any reasonable proposal. The government pipes in his proposal are as useless as wheels on a fish, because he promises his ground stations will be quite cheap. Therefore private citizens who are not permitted direct access to his internet in the sky will feel the impact of tyranny immediately in their wallets. Bill Gates internet in the sky will provide short and near constant latency, therefore telephone connections running through it should be pretty good, whereas existing internet phone sucks mightily. Teledesic is promised to come on line in 2001, though we have seen how Microsoft meets schedules in the past. I conjecture 2006. I also predict that once the scheme is securely in place, and jamming it becomes painful, Bill Gates will find a thousand ways to chisel the government monopoly middlemen in his proposal. I would guess that Motorola's less ambitious Iridium project will only be a year or two late, but it has little potential to revolutionize the world the way Bill Gates proposal has. I expect once the scheme is in place, the government monopolies in Gate's plan will be under attack both from above and from below. --------------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i iQEVAgUBMjIM9MiycyXFit0NAQFv0wf/dD4REx7IYcp/X+seWiDF73Z8Kr37E2IS rLub4J6XamQw2fMhDzgHiNhpy5HWH/mY1mQjOdhe5kA204aQKHk8ktXCQW6YC7fA VZCbJ+RJ0pluozWGOOC/hUbYed2vCEBjnjpBHaiFC3dHGVxHF43+L7nlp+RaeRCY Wb0H6XzwEh3Lei+vMzn/28RIJGabUOPSvDM6vK0AwNyZDXHobg/Ys7bTo9T8odvB Hz2WR2yBWT1uM1vasHfYDXeFwTvqFbdBv5TWXhNYzCdF6sexRAgD/iofoPmTLxno FdeVbG9pK09Zd3UDAu8x6Oojgi28S686f49YT0TyyeK8IjXNU9vYxQ== =F/SH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: LACC: Re: What is the EFF doing exactly?
by Julian Assange 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Julian Assange wrote: > > Certain members of the EFF board seem to be politically naive. The > > rational, intelligent lobbyist will always see both sides of the > > argument. Presenting both sides of the argument to the world at large > > is another matter altogether. You should only present both sides of the > > argument to the inner policy tactics personnel only in order to formulate > > policy and create defences for the weaknesses in your position. To the > > outside world only ever sees a united front. This is basic politics. > > This is certainly the way most people in political roles handle things, > and it is certainly an effective way of handling simple-minded people. > > However, it is one thing I find very difficult to respect. Respect or not, if your team is small and the field is large, and everyone else is playing gridiron, then don't expect to prove anything but your stupidity by playing cricket. > How many of the world's stupid policies have been enacted, because > someone decided to present only one side of an issue, realized it was > "the wrong side", and felt they couldn't later change their mind for the > better - because they presented the issue as overly black-and-white > initially? I agree, however you are confusing large parties, so dominant as to form government and policy at whim with those that represent a particular cause or interest group. The EFF falls into the latter category. Its goals are relatively narrow, its membership tiny. Such a small group, fighting under-resourced battle against powerful, conservative interests does not need, and should not espouse the arguments of those who seek to destroy it. When Canoing up a waterful, one does not need to paddle backwards 50% of the time in order to be "fair". -- "Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies, The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis, _God in the Dock_ +---------------------+--------------------+----------------------------------+ |Julian Assange RSO | PO Box 2031 BARKER | Secret Analytic Guy Union | |proff(a)suburbia.net | VIC 3122 AUSTRALIA | finger for PGP key hash ID = | |proff(a)gnu.ai.mit.edu | FAX +61-3-98199066 | 0619737CCC143F6DEA73E27378933690 | +---------------------+--------------------+----------------------------------+

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Re: [WAS xs4all.nl] Terrorists
by Jon Lebkowsky 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:01 AM 9/9/96 +0200, Stephan Schmidt wrote: >One thought : How many of you would support terrorist >web server (say Oklahoma, TWA, Iran, Lybia, RAF, IRA, ...) ? I.e. "How many of you support the right to free speech regardless of content." Wellll...there is the rule about speech which endangers; "fire in a crowded theatre" is the cliche-example. What could a terrorist SAY that would endanger? Personally, I'd rather have terrorists building html than bombs. -- Jon Lebkowsky <jonl(a)hotwired.com> FAX (512)444-2693 http://www.well.com/~jonl Electronic Frontiers Forum, 6PM PDT Thursdays <http://www.hotwired.com/eff> "No politician can sit on a hot issue if you make it hot enough."--Saul Alinsky

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Re: Edited Edupage, 5 Sep 1996
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>CHINA SCREENS OUT "SPIRITUAL POLLUTION" ON THE NET >>The Beijing government has begun blocking as many as 100 Internet sites that >>offer material the government deems unsuitable for its citizens -- including >>dissident viewpoints from Hong Kong and Taiwan, sites sponsored by U.S. >>major media organizations such as CNN and the Washington Post, and sexually >>explicit sites such as Playboy and Penthouse. An official described the >>blocked sites as suspected purveyors of "spiritual pollution." (Wall Street >>Journal 5 Sep 96 B12) Gee only 100 bad sites on the net out of thousands of web sites. Looks cleaner than a hound's tooth to me. And Germany trying to block two sites a year (but failing). At that rate they'll really "shut 'er down." Note the subtle problem. With thousands of "bad sites" combined with bureaucratic sloth the governments of the world are bailing with a teaspoon. We ca put 'em up faster than they can knock them down particularly since they can't knock them down at all. DCF

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New type2.list/pubring.mix
by John A. Perry 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello Everyone, I just updated the type2.list/pubring.mix combination on jpunix.com. This update includes the addition of the dustbin and jenanon remailers Welcome aboard! The files are available by WWW from www.jpunix.com as well as anonymous FTP from ftp.jpunix.com. John Perry - perry(a)alpha.jpunix.com - PGP-encrypted e-mail welcome! WWW - http://www.jpunix.com PGP 2.62 key for perry(a)jpunix.com is on the keyservers. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMjKtO1OTpEThrthvAQHthgQApkbVzoc2NbYMm0U0Wcr3y2LpCY96/adT 2bLBg87S+CIStRHc2XirdjGk97TnN2p/1RBySqOIjH0a9Jajrso2yQYn7nQZ3/2W wIq2ZrQF1971IeajIBSEmNzD4lhr7Tkqi2WhVGHFEVboMvcp7Nw+wGxOfyaXP6mj uvZkIFAfDW0= =O4WA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: The Esther Dyson Flap
by edyson＠edventure.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FWIW, I'm still collecting some thoughts, because this is a complex topic (as you all know), and I'm tired of having my views misinterpreted and misattributed. So I want to state them clearly and carefully. This is simply a reaction to one item. At 09:12 PM 9/4/96 -0500, Chuck Thompson wrote: >>Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 14:23:40 -0700 >>X-Sender: tcmay(a)mail.got.net >>To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >>From: tcmay(a)got.net (Timothy C. May) >>Subject: Re: The Esther Dyson Flap >>Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com >> ...................... Please note the quote marks carefully. I said [something like] the first paragraph, but the rest is the "reporter" from Scientology, plus a paraphrase. >> >>By the way, the Scientologists have also noted her views: >> >>"Esther Dyson, member of the board of directors of the Electronic Frontier >>Foundation and member of the National Information Infrastructure Advisory >>Council, spoke on the anonymity issue at the fifth Computers, Freedom & >>Privacy (CFP) conference in San Francisco. "I have a concern about the >>spread of bad behavior on the Net," said Dyson. "Anonymity figures into >>this, and I feel that it has proven to not be a positive factor. It breaks >>down >>the community which we are seeking to build, and could turn the 'big >>cities' of the information infrastructure into a big cesspool." >> >>"Remailers who facilitate anonymous postings are part of the problem. They >>can act as conduits for those who seek anonymity as a way to act illegally >>without getting caught; yet remailers are able to shield themselves from >>responsibility or liability. >> >>"Computer experts stress that anonymous users should at least be trackable >>by the remailers -- and that ones who act unlawfully can easily put the >>remailers at risk. Dyson noted that in self-regulatory schemes for almost >>any part of the Internet, "visibility, not anonymity, would have a strong >>place."" >> >>(end quote, from "Freedom," at http://www.theta.com/goodman/hijack.htm) >> > Esther Dyson Always make new mistakes! EDventure Holdings <edyson(a)edventure.com> 1 (212) 924-8800 1 (212) 924-0240 fax 104 Fifth Avenue New York, NY 10011 USA www.edventure.com High-Tech Forum in Lisbon, October 27-29, 1996 PC Forum in Tucson, Arizona, March 23-26, 1997

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Kiddie porn on the Internet
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"News" stories are now circulating on radio about child pornography on the Internet, and how an organization called "Save The Children" is working very hard to identify the trafficers and their accomplii. Save The Children is complaining that they can't find all of the dirty dealers of kid-porn, since much of the traffic is encrypted! So who is Save The Children? First, since they're an international organization raising funds in the U.S., they obviously operate at the pleasure of the State Department. Ho hum. Remember the incidents at the Denny's restaurant chain where Denny's was sued for discrimination against minorities? Did it seem a little bizarre for the 1990's? At the close of the litigation, Denny's suddenly sprouted tons of free fund-raising advertising for Save The Children, including placemats at each table with beautiful logo and address and phone number. Just send the money, etc. My questions to interested persons included whether someone may have approached Denny's for such cooperation BEFORE the discrimination suits, and whether Denny's may have refused at first. Well, don't jump to conclusions, and this is *NOT* a veiled accusation. I merely suggest that interested parties extend their inquiries into the various Internet-Monitors to include Save The Children. And by the way, I wonder what World Vision and National Medical Enterprises are up to these days?

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[NOISE] More From Rumor-central
by liberty＠gate.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- [This has nothing to do with cryptography, but it is related to other posts seen here recently.] Miami Herald reports today on page 3A that the National Transportation Safety Bureaucrats are "investigating an American Airlines pilot's report that a missile zoomed by his 757 on Aug. 29 as it flew near NASA and Navy facilities in Virginia on its way to Boston." An NTSB spokesman has confirmed an investigation (termed a 'preliminary probe') is ongoing. Not to be outdone, the FAA is investigating as well. All this is according to the Herald, and I offer no opinions about veracity or trustworthiness of this particular media organ or what caused the crash of flight 800. JMR Regards, Jim Ray -- DNRC Minister of Encryption Advocacy Thursday, September 5 is the day when, in 1698, Russian Czar Peter the Great imposed a tax on...beards. Please, don't tell Congress. [Source: The Advocates for Self-Government.] "As govt.s grow arithmetically, corruption grows exponentially." -- Ray's Law of official corruption. Defeat the Duopoly! Stop the Browne out. Harry Browne for President. Jo Jorgensen for Vice-president. http://www.HarryBrowne96.org/ http://www.twr.com/stbo ___________________________________________________________________ PGP id.E9BD6D35 51 5D A2 C3 92 2C 56 BE 53 2D 9C A1 B3 50 C9 C8 <mailto:liberty@gate.net> http://www.shopmiami.com/prs/jimray ___________________________________________________________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMjLU4m1lp8bpvW01AQHB3AP/ROTTRCtg4LBrDwVSml2isdcm2GmFd01I 63dQg3o+ixBFldjXC3oHkQDUWSTyrpj/QXvUy43EGIdJMQ8MRI1+NCIu2R1ikF63 LasufEIvbCIzTcX1s+/n6vxciU6CYj2e5akbw4qBIK+eOr2roOoFADAKyQQbDdxx JvOvUzMVj/M= =WQHz -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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ANNOUNCEMENT AND CALL FOR PAPERS - 1998 USENIX Security Conference
by Aviel Rubin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

************************************************************************* ANNOUNCEMENT AND CALL FOR PAPERS 7th USENIX Security Symposium January 26-29, 1998 Marriott Hotel-- San Antonio, Texas Sponsored by the USENIX Association, the UNIX and Advanced Computing Systems Professional and Technical Association In cooperation with: The CERT Coordination Center. Important Dates for Refereed Papers Papers due: September 9, 1997 Author notification: October 8, 1997 Camera-ready final papers due: December 9, 1997 Registration Materials Available: End October, 1997 (Authors, see "How to Submit a Refereed Paper" below.) Program Chair Avi Rubin, Bellcore Program Committee Carlisle Adams, Nortel Dave Balenson, Trusted Information Systems Steve Bellovin, AT&T Research Dan Boneh, Princeton University Diane Coe, Mitre Ed Felten, Princeton University Li Gong, JavaSoft Peter Honeyman, CITI, University of Michigan Hugo Krawczyk, IBM Watson Labs Jack Lacy, AT&T Research Hilarie Orman, DARPA/ITO Mike Reiter, AT&T Research David Wagner, University of California, Berkeley Readers Katherine T. Fithen, CERT Trent Jaeger, IBM Watson Labs Invited talks coordinator: Greg Rose, Qualcomm Conference home page: <http://www.usenix.org/sec/sec98.html> OVERVIEW The goal of this symposium is to bring together researchers, practitioners, system programmers, and others interested in the latest advances in security and applications of cryptography. This will be a four day symposium with two days of tutorials, followed by two days of refereed paper presentations, invited talks, works-in-progress presentations, and panel discussions. TUTORIALS Monday and Tuesday, January 26-27 Tutorials for both technical staff and managers will provide immediately useful, practical information on topics such as local and network security precautions, what cryptography can and cannot do, security mechanisms and policies, firewalls and monitoring systems. If you are interested in proposing a tutorial, contact the tutorial coordinator, Dan Klein: phone (412)421-2332 email <dvk(a)usenix.org>. TECHNICAL SESSIONS Wednesday and Thursday, January 28-29 In addition to the keynote presentation, the technical program includes refereed papers, invited talks, a work in progress session, and panel sessions. There will be Birds-of-a-Feather sessions the last two evenings. You are invited to make suggestions to the program committee via email to <security(a)usenix.org>. Papers that have been formally reviewed and accepted will be presented during the symposium and published in the symposium proceedings, published by USENIX and provided free to technical session attendees. Additional copies will be available for purchase from USENIX. SYMPOSIUM TOPICS Refereed paper submissions are being solicited in areas including but not limited to: * Adaptive security and system management * Analysis of malicious code * Applications of cryptographic techniques * Attacks against networks/machines * Computer misuse and anomaly detection * Copyright protection (technical solutions) * Cryptographic & other security tools * File and file system security * Network security * New firewall technologies * Security in heterogeneous environments * Security incident investigation and response * Security of Mobile Code * User/system authentication * World Wide Web security Note that this symposium is not about new codes, ciphers, nor cryptanalysis for its own sake. Papers must represent novel scientific contributions in computer security with direct relevance to the engineering of secure systems for the commercial sector. HOW TO SUBMIT A REFEREED PAPER (Please read carefully.) The guidelines for submission are a bit different from previous years. Authors must submit a mature paper in postscript format. Any incomplete sections (there shouldn't be many) should be outlined in enough detail to make it clear that they could be finished easily. Full papers are encouraged, and should be about 8 to 15 typeset pages. Submissions must be received by September 9, 1997. Along with your paper, please submit a separate email message containing the title, all authors, and their complete contact information (phone, fax, postal address, email), including an indication of which author is the contact author. Authors will be notified of acceptance on October 8, 1997. All submissions will be judged on originality, relevance, and correctness. Each accepted submission may be assigned a member of the program committee to act as its shepherd through the preparation of the final paper. The assigned member will act as a conduit for feedback from the committee to the authors. Camera-ready final papers are due on December 9, 1997. If you would like to receive detailed guidelines for submission and examples of extended abstracts, you may send email to: <securityauthors(a)usenix.org> or telephone the USENIX Association office at (510) 528-8649. The Security Symposium, like most conferences and journals, requires that papers not be submitted simultaneously to another conference or publication and that submitted papers not be previously or subsequently published elsewhere. Papers accompanied by non-disclosure agreement forms are not acceptable and will be returned to the author(s) unread. All submissions are held in the highest confidentiality prior to publication in the Proceedings, both as a matter of policy and in accord with the U.S. Copyright Act of 1976. There will be one or two prizes awarded for best paper(s). WHERE TO SUBMIT For reliability, please send one copy of your paper to the program committee via each of two of the following methods. All submissions will be acknowledged. o Preferred Method: email (Postscript) to: <securitypapers(a)usenix.org> o Alternate Method: postal delivery to Security Symposium USENIX 2560 Ninth St., Ste. #215 Berkeley CA 94710 U.S.A. Phone: (510) 528-8649 o Fax: (510) 548-5738 Vendor Exhibits Demonstrate your security product to our technically astute attendees responsible for security at their sites. We invite you to take part in the Vendor Display. The informal, table-top display allows you to meet with attendees informally and demonstrate in detail your security solutions. Contact CynthiaDeno Email: cynthia(a)usenix.org Phone: 408.335.9445 Fax 408.335.5327 Works-in-Progress Session (WIPs) The last session of the symposium will be a Works-in-Progress session consisting of five minute presentations. Speakers should provide a one or two paragraph abstract to the program chair by 6:00 pm on January 28, 1998 at the conference. These should be provided in person, not via email. The chair will post the schedule of presentations by noon on the 29th. Experience at other conferences has shown that usually, all of them are accepted. The five minute time limit will be strictly enforced. INVITED TALKS There will be several invited talks at the conference in parallel with the refereed papers. If you have suggestions for possible speakers, please send them to <security(a)usenix.org>. REGISTRATION MATERIALS Materials containing all details of the technical and tutorial programs, registration fees and forms, and hotel information will be available at the end of October 1997. To receive the registration materials, please contact: USENIX Conference Office 22672 Lambert Street, Suite 613 Lake Forest, CA USA 92630 Phone: (714) 588-8649 Fax: (714) 588-9706 Email: <conference(a)usenix.org> Information can also be found under the Conference home page: <http://www.usenix.org/sec/sec98.html>.

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Re: talker
by Wayne H. Allen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:03 AM 9/8/96 +0000, attila wrote: >=Dear Whoever, > > cypherpunks are *not* crackers; this is a crytographic > and political issues relating to cryptography mailing list. > > Well maybe, political issues galore certainly, but very very little to do with cryptography. I mean what does TWA 800 have to do with this list. I mean lets be completely honest here, whatever the original purpose of the list was for its been allowed to shift away from its intended purpose considerably. Wayne H.Allen whallen(a)capitalnet.com Pgp key at www.capitalnet.com/~whallen

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Re: Clipper III on the table
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:31 PM 10/1/96 -0700, Lucky Green wrote: > > > >On Tue, 1 Oct 1996, Robert Hettinga wrote: >[as to why HP and others support GAK in exchange for DES export] > >> I agree with Lucky's earlier hypothesis that HP's doing this to curry >favor >> for government contracts in lieu of an actual marketing strategy, and I >> leave TIS's motives up to the list as an exercise. ;-). > >This not a hypothesis. A policy person from HP told me that > >1. HP as well as TIS and other companies sell single DES products that >they would like to be able to export. >2. He was directed by HP's marketing department to find a way to make >that happen. >3. He therefore supports a GAK for export "compromise". HP, then, might be a good company to approach as a potential donor on a DES-cracker. While they want to be able to portray their products as reasonably secure, at the same time they want to be able to de-fuse any export limits. Showing that, say, $25,000 of hardware could crack DES in a year (and thus, presumably, $25 million could crack DES in 1/3 of a day, a budget available to the NSA et al.) would demonstrate that there's no strong reason to keep it restricted in any way. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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