December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: A _REALLY_ Interesting Bet [2]
by nobody＠zifi.genetics.utah.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Gillogly <jim(a)ACM.ORG> wrote: <snip> >Idea Futures is dead, and the torch has passed to Foresight Exchange (FX), >which is at http://www.ideosphere.com/ideosphere/ . You can bet on a number >of political issues (US and other), though not (yet) for real money. IMO, a good cypherpunk goal would be to get that "yet" in, with Chaum's Digicash, before the election. Perhaps Mr. Cate has some ideas in this regard...;) When talking to lawyers one finds the justification for the prohibition to be something like, "it would demean the process." IMNSHO, the nest has already been soiled, and the only effect would be to kill the unwanted phonecalls around suppertime, as I said before. The media would eventually flock to the more-accurate poll, even if it involved the dreaded crass freemarket capitalism of people willingly gambling. <snip> >This doesn't track the polls, which typically ask who the potential voter >would vote for rather than who they think will win the election. Indeed. Also, a prominent candidate (this time) told devotees (last time) to give wrong answers to pollsters when called. While it's still possible, this behavior is much less likely with real money (though with his kinda dough, distortions would be possible for him -- & profitable for others). >Other issues: > >Percentage of popular vote to Dem candidate: 47 >" " Rep " : 44 >" " Other " : 12 > >Note that there may be an opportunity for arbitrage when numbers don't add >up to 100; Last time there was supposedly an arbitrage opportunity between odds in Moscow and those in London [Now THAT'S my kind of bet;) -- I can't lose] according to a W$J article on the subject from years ago. 20 minutes on Alta Vista this morning reveals nothing like this available, Ladbroke's links are hardly there, and I don't know the names of any other bookies in London, or any at all in Moscow. The closest thing was a (braindead) "George" magazine article and a few sites lamenting the lack of possible Presidential gambling. AV didn't even reveal the confusing US university site where some gambling is (or was) going on. Perhaps English c-punks can help us on the odds for all candidates, including the longshots. I think publicity from freeing up this information might be more favorable than publicity about things like porn or Assasination Politics, and the process of setting up a site that reveals the odds in semi-realtime from London/Moscow should not be too difficult, especially if actual gambling is not conducted on the site.

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"Undocumented Features"
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:21 AM 8/29/96, Adamsc wrote: >>> >looks like the DoJ have been looking around at the mirrors.. maybe to >>> >legally hassle people about them.... > >>> Or, just maybe, some DoJ employees wanted to see what folks on the outside >>> were doing to tweek their bosses:-)? Reminds me of the *thousands* of hits >>> the "Intel Secrets Page"(http://www.x86.org/) has gotten from users at >>> intel.com > >Out of curiosity, has anyone used a decompiler to check if any of the >undocumented stuff is getting used in shipping programs? This has only marginal relevance to the list, but I'll mention in case it helps a crypto coder out there: be wary of _ever_ using undocumented features of a processor, compiler, or other system. Why? Because "undocumented features" are not promises made by the vendor, and may vanish in the next release (or, worse, change behavior in strange and hard-to-detect ways). We witnessed this several times at Intel with the x86 line. Various customers discovered "undocumented features," made the mistake of exploiting them, and then came crying to us when iterations of the processor (what we call "steppings") took out the "features" or altered their behavior. (And for a while there was even a rift between the Intel versions and the NEC versions, which copied some Intel processors and copied the undocumented features....when Intel was no longer supporting them, the two processor families diverged, causing chaos.) So, beware. --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Announce: NCSA HTTPd 1.6b1 and XMosaic 2.6s_b1
by acain＠ncsa.uiuc.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hiya! This is to announce the availability of NCSA HTTPd version 1.6b1. It is accompanied by a version of XMosaic (2.6s_b1) which can be used for testing the security features. To participate in the beta testing effort, please see http://hoohoo.ncsa.uiuc.edu/beta-1.6/ What's New: ---------- The main difference between 1.6b1 and 1.5.2 is the addition of support for the following security protocols: -- Secure-HTTP (version 1.1) -- SSL versions 2.0 and 3.0 XMosaic 2.6s_b1 supports these protocols as well. Motivation: ---------- We recognize that there are many fine web servers availble on the Internet, some even for free. In releasing NCSA HTTPd 1.6b1, we are niether trying to 'outdo' other server development efforts, nor are we expecting to provide a server which will meet all possible needs. Rather, we wish to follow through on our commitment to making novel features available for experimentation and testing. The capability of performing digital signature-based authentication (via S-HTTP in 1.6b1) is an example of a feature we see lacking in the Web today. Obtaining HTTPd 1.6b1: ----------------------- Currently, HTTPd 1.6b1 is available in binary form to registered, domestic users. An exportable version will be available eventually, and we will announce its availability by the same means. To register for beta testing 1.6b1, please go to the URL given above, and select the "register here" link after reading the page. The documentation (under construction) for this release is available at http://hoohoo.ncsa.uiuc.edu/docs-1.6/ The HyperNews page (good for bug reports, questions, discussion) is at http://union.ncsa.uiuc.edu/HyperNews/get/www/ncsa-httpd/1.6/beta.html Administrative requests may be directed to httpd-beta(a)ncsa.uiuc.edu. Thanks, Adam Cain acain(a)ncsa.uiuc.edu

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RE: Desubscribe
by jbugden＠smtplink.alis.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

perry(a)piermont.com wrote: >MrAdvent(a)aol.com writes: >> I would like you to desubscribe me from you mailing list > >I refuse. > >.pm Lets face it. It's not a lack of volition, it is a lack of ability. Perry couldn't desubscribe MrAdvent(a)aol.com even if he wanted to. I can't unsubscribe myself even when I follow the instructions. When I send an e-mail, the header contains two equivalent addresses: jbugden(a)smtplink.alis.ca and jbugden(a)alis.com. Unfortunately, there is some logic in majordomo that is not symmetric so that while I can subscribe as jbugden(a)alis.com, I can not unsubscribe since majordomo notices jbugden(a)smtplink.alis.ca in the header and treats the attempt to unsubscribe as a forgery. So get used to it MrAdvent. After a few months you may even enjoy the ramblings of the many too pale souls swimming in this communal cesspool. You can unsubscribe any time you like, but you can never leave. James

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Re: MSIE cryptography
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:20 PM 8/29/96 +0000, John Hemming - CEO MarketNet wrote: >Essentially, however, I do not think it is right for a program to display a >locked key regardless of any other issues if the data being transferred >is not encrypted. I fully agree. I wonder if the FTC is interested. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Cave ab homine unius lebri | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | [Beware the man of one | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | book] - Anonymous Latin | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Singapore Global Action Alert (8/29/96)
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

August 29, 1996 *** GLOBAL ACTION BRIEF *** * Please redistribute this document widely with this banner intact * Redistribute only in appropriate places & only until 30 September 1996 Singapore Government Curtails Online Freedoms The government of Singapore recently established strict controls on all Internet Service Providers and many World Wide Web pages. ISPs and content providers will be licensed, and required to adhere to a rigid set of content guidelines which apply to political speech, ethnic and religious remarks including satire, and public morals including "contents which propagate permissiveness or promiscuity." We believe that the licensing policy and broad content guidelines will effectively chill the free flow of information not only in Singapore, but worldwide. Because the Internet is global, transcending geographical bounds, we are convinced that censorship within any nation or state, whether implicit or explicit, poses a threat to all users of the global network. We therefore encourage the government of Singapore, and other governments implementing or considering policies of content control, to stress education rather than regulation. Singapore's approach, like the Communications Decency Act that was passed but quickly rescinded in the U.S., applies a broadcast regulatory standard to the Internet. The application of broadcast-inspired, "one-to-many" regulation to this new *many-to-many* medium indicates a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of the Internet. Unlike television and radio broadcasting, the Internet does not push material at the viewer, but simply makes material available on demand - not unlike a rapid inter-library loan. And unlike broadcasting, the Internet does not present the views of a limited few privileged speakers, but allows all participants to publish, comment on, and even refute, what they read. Recognizing that every culture has its own standards regarding what is or is not appropriate, the undersigned organizations recommend that Singapore's government allow its citizens to use Internet filtering tools, with which they can block out any material that is offensive to them, rather than embark upon a closed-border approach that will cut Singapore off from the new global online library. Support of individually customizable filtration services, instead of a broad top-down censorship effort, would enable Singapore to participate in a more positive and effective way in the evolution of this new open medium, and would indicate trust in the ability of Singaporeans to choose what is right for Singapore and for themselves. *** WHERE TO FIND MORE INFORMATION For more information on the Singapore censorship situation, and other global efforts to abridge the flow of information over the net, see these web sites: http://www.eff.org/~declan/global/index.html and http://www.io.org/~sherlock/doom/threat.html Human Rights Watch's letter to George Yeo, Singapore Minister for Information and the arts, is located on HRW's gopher, at gopher://gopher.igc.apc.org:5000/00/int/hrw/asia/asia/4 WHO TO CONTACT The following organizations have issued this advisory: ALCEI - Electronic Frontiers Italy * http://www.nexus.it/alcei.html American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) * http://www.aclu.org Center for Democracy and Technology (CDT) * http://www.cdt.org CITADEL-Electronic Frontier France * http://www.imaginet.fr/~mose/citadel EFF-Austin * http://www.eff-austin.org Electronic Frontiers Australia * http://www.efa.org.au Electronic Frontier Canada * http://www.efc.ca/ Elektronisk Forpost Norge (Electronic Frontier Norway) * http://www.sn.no/~efn Electronic Frontier Foundation * http://www.eff.org Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) * http://www.epic.org HotWired * http://www.hotwired.com Voters Telecommunication Watch (VTW) * http://www.vtw.org Please choose an organization above and visit their web site for contact information. A copy of this advisory is available on the World Wide Web, at http://www.well.com/~jonl/singapore.html.

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CyberTerrorism Thoughts
by Barry C. Collin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Mr. Geiger: Thank you for your very well-thought-out presentation. That is precisely the kind of material we need to see more of in this forum. It's tough to write, but it's worth it. >From the feedback I've received, I should make this clear: regardless of criminality issues, I do not consider hacking in to a system to view things an act of terrorism (by classical or other definition). My concern, by far, is the fragility I've found with systems connected to physical processes -- processes that affect the physical world. Your segmentation of motivation and actions was excellent. I look forward to your future commentary and postings. Also, although it is sometimes difficult (myself no exception), I think you'd agree that this factual, non-flame approach gets far more work done. Your response in that manner was appreciated. Regards, Barry C. Collin -- Institute for Security and Intelligence A Non-Profit Research Institution P.O. Box 9877 Stanford, California 94309-9877 USA

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Re: MSIE cryptography
by John Hemming - CEO MarketNet 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Eric Murray writes: >Peter Trei writes: >> >> John Hemming - CEO MarketNet" <johnhemming(a)mkn.co.uk> writes: > >> > Just downloaded the most recent English Version 2.1 for Windows 3.1. >> > This does appear to do the same in terms of no encryption at all after >> > the server hello. >> Please ensure that the server you are connecting to is not configured for >> authenticate-only. It would be a pity to raise a big ruckus over what may be >> just a mis-configured server. >In addition, encryption isn't performed until after the ClientFinished >and ServerFinished messages, no matter which CipherSuites are negotiated. Actually the server verify message should be encrypted (to verify the key negotiation). Also the server and client finished should be encrypted. I don't actually get the client finished record or client master key record. However, I don't get those all I get is the cleartext data in packets of SSL record format. I have done a little more experimentation and it does appear quite clear that this happens with a non standard (ie not Verisign and a few others) X509 Certificate. In the trace that I have posted it is clear that cypher 02 00 80 has in theory been negotiated.

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Elliptic Curve Y**2 = x**3 + a * x**2 + b
by trollins＠interactive.visa.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello all, I have a math question concerning implementation of elliptic curve systems. In coding some elliptic curve source, I need to pick a random point on the following elliptic curve in field F_p where p is a prime number. Y**2 = x**3 + a * x**2 + b where 4a**3 + 27b**2 is not equal to 0 mod p In selecting a random point, I pick a random value for x in the range 0 < x < p, compute the right hand side of the equation and find myself needing to take the square root for the two solutions. Questions are: 1: How can I take the suqare root mod p ? 2: How to determine if a solution exists for a selected value of x ? 3: Is the a simpler method than find a square root ? Thanks for any ideas you may have about this... -tom

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RE: Mimic Function Stego Programs?
by Damien Lucifer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: Mimic Function Stego Programs? On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, * wrote: > better than the 64 word ones I've used. I'd like to get a hold of these > (or the program, if it's not texto). I mailed DJ about it, but he said > he picked it up from a newsgroup he couldn't remember. If you follow up > please let me know any results. Fascinating stuff ... Donno, the next hop from 64 words per type is 4096 words per type, a very tall order. I've been working on a text steg'ing program for a while that operates under a different premise, however. It keeps a dictionary of word pairs, with each word in the pair being a synonym for the other. It will read through a donor file, swapping words based on whether we need to hide a 1 or a 0. The encoder is working right now but the decoder is not. A quick example: dictionary: 1=sofa 0=couch input: The couch is very comfortable output (0): The sofa is very comfortable. output (1): The couch is very comfortable. The output text is virtually identical to the input text, and would (in most cases) easily fool the average human reader, as well as fooling simple mail filters. The main problem is that very little can be hidden in a text file in this manner. I have one peice of text that is 50k, and can conceal about 64 characters of data. More typical numbers are around 15-25 characters/50k, which is why I never finished the decoder. Once i started encoding things, and realizing how little could be hidden in this manner, I stopped working on it. At the moment the dictionary is very small; nearly all of the words are relevant to only pornographic text (since porno is both predictable, and repetitive, i thought it would be a good place to start). :) I have the source code around, if you care to take a look at it.

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the anonymizer
by bf578＠scn.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anybody know if there are any other services like the one at http://www.anonymizer.com That anonymize your surfing? -- ------------------------------------------ There are no facts, only interpretations. I always wanted to be somebody,

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Re: Small German bank claims first with online service
by bf578＠scn.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > >> FRANKFURT, Aug 28 (Reuter) - German private bank Gries & >>Heissel Bankiers on Wednesday launched an Internet banking >>service -- the first comprehensive service of its kind in a >>country where online bank options are gradually taking off. >> The small Berlin-based bank linked up with U.S. computer >>firm Hewlett Packard Co to develop the system, which Internet >>users can access using a high-security personal code. Sounds scarey and like a challenge! >> Clients will be able to view detailed balances on their >>deposit, current and securities accounts and transact all normal >>banking business on the World Wide Web. -- ------------------------------------------ There are no facts, only interpretations. I always wanted to be somebody,

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Re: Singapore Global Action Alert (8/29/96)
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: Cypherpunks(a)toad.com 29/08/96 Subject: Re: Singapore Global Action Alert (8/29/96) On 29 Aug 96 at 11:31, Declan McCullagh forwarded: > The application (...in Singapore) of broadcast-inspired, > "one-to-many" regulation to > this new *many-to-many* medium (...the internet) indicates a > fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of the Internet. I completely disagree here! Taking into account the philosophico-political context there, it *obviously* indicate a *complete* understanding of the nature of the net. It is you (the writer of the forwarded article) who did not either dare to state or simply recognize the true nature of a govt pushing such measures. I am fed up of seing net users giving every would-be dictator the benefit of the doubt. There is no tolerance to be applied to that. There is no such thing as being tolerent to poison. Why don't we start naming things by their true names? JFA - -- Jean-Francois Avon DePompadour, Societe d'Importation Ltee Limoges porcelain, silverware and crystal JFA Technologies R&D consultants: physicists technologists and engineers. Montreal, QC, Canada PGP keys at: http://w3.citenet.net/users/jf_avon ID# C58ADD0D : 529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i iQEVAgUBMiWnB8iycyXFit0NAQGvaAf9HHTGYk/MAg/uX3uP87sOd6mWrVLw8J8u 4XFp83YV1MPBkqZ5xIxmxBNR6bF2RyqFIiD/go3x3nbfX5YkdF9jXW4iOnYNK6Ji DzrlWTDNGFwTnbUnUbPraSjULU/0x3YdKAVmcxqr6KYBBLR2NVEtiqzbVQK2exHU DZUG6oamV4sK5QFRA5gj0L+oB+qEdveZJrTK13rZT3UC21GXuOBGRPpHQStfU5nK 3v7ajP4IdlxxHZutL/S1LmPJw1iSf9eDtn76J7Y8UxrgknNavavs9rxte3mUjns1 TneE7zz2g9VMS6cqGttncp/Cwc7AkeURi7nu0tnr7jCvwlo4GhGSoA== =4R7n -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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New Microsoft Product! ! ! (fwd)
by Charley Sparks 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:11:00 -0400 From: ICSHAB(a)aol.com Subject: New Microsoft Product! ! ! Microsoft Panhandler v1.0 (Beta) Redmond, WA -- Microsoft Corporation chair, CEO and all-around babe magnet Bill Gates announced yesterday the introduction of a new product for Windows 95: Microsoft Panhandling. "The idea came to me the other day when a homeless man asked me for money,"recalls Gates. "I suddenly realized that we were missing a golden opportunity. Here was a chance to make a profit without any initial monetary investment. Naturally, this man then became my competition, so I had my limo driver run over him several times." Microsoft engineers have been working around the clock to complete Gates' vision of panhandling for the 21st century. "We feel that our program designers really understand how the poor and needy situation works," says Microsoft Homeless product leader Bernard Liu. "Except for the fact that they're stinking rich." Microsoft Panhandling will be automatically installed with Windows 95. At random intervals, a dialog box pops up, asking the user if they could spare any change so that Microsoft has enough money to get a hot meal. ("This is a little lie," admits software engineer Adam Miller, "since our diet consists of Coke and Twinkies, but what panhandler doesn't embellish a little?") The user can click Yes, in which case a random amount of change between $.05 and $142.50 is transferred from the user's bank account to Microsoft's. The user can also respond No, in which case the program politely tells the user to have a nice day. The "No" button has not yet been implemented. "We're experiencing a little trouble programming the No button," Bernard Liu says, "but we should definitely have it up and running within the next couple of years. Or at least by the time Windows 2014 comes out. Maybe." Gates says this is just the start of an entire line of products. "Be on the lookout for products like Microsoft Mugging, which either takes $50 or erases your hard drive, and Microsoft Squegee Guy, which will clean up your Windows for a dollar." (When Microsoft Squegee Guy ships, Windows 95 will no longer automatically refresh your windows.) But there are competitors on the horizon. Sun Microsystems and Oracle Corporation are introducing panhandling products of their own. "Gates is a few tacos short of a combination platter, if you get my drift," says Oracle Head Honcho and 3rd degree black belt Larry Ellison. "I mean, in the future, we won't need laptop computers asking you for change. You'll have an entire network of machines asking you for money." Gates responded with, "I know what you are, but what am I?" General pandemonium then ensued.

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The few, the proud, the under-quota'd-mailbox US Marine Corps
by Alan Horowitz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 3:46:15 -24000 From: MAILER-DAEMON(a)mqg-smtp3.usmc.mil To: alanh(a)infi.net Subject: Undeliverable Message To: "Skeeve Stevens" <skeeve(a)skeeve.net> Cc: <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> Subject: Re: DoJ is poking around Message not delivered to recipients below. Press F1 for help with VNM error codes. VNM3043: BANYAN SERVER@MAG26@2DMAW NEW RIVER VNM3043 -- MAILBOX IS FULL The message cannot be delivered because the recipient's mailbox contains the maximum number of messages, as set by the system administrator. The recipient must delete some messages before any other messages can be delivered. The maximum message limit for a user's mailbox is 10,000. The default message limit is 1000 messages. Administrators can set message limits using the Mailbox Settings function available in the Manage User menu (MUSER). When a user's mailbox reaches the limit, the user must delete some of the messages before the mailbox can accept any more incoming messages. UNDEFINEDI have a military account. Not all govt or military accounts belong to black-helicopter pilots.

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www.anonymizer.com
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

www.anonymizer.com got a nice plug in David Plotnikoff's column in today's San Jose Mercury News. He quotes Community ConneXion's motto, "Because on today's Internet, people do know you're a dog." He also mentions its similarity to anonymous remailers. His capsule review: "On the upside, it's very easy to use and it supports gopher and FTP transfers as well as Web pages. On the downside, it's predictable slow and pages, bracketed top and bottom with Anonymizer banners, often don't display quite right." ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Cave ab homine unius libri | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | [Beware the man of one | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | book] - Anonymous Latin | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: Simulations
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:28 AM 8/29/96 -0400, Duncan Frissell wrote: >At 10:05 PM 8/28/96 -0800, jim bell wrote: > >>To me, the most obvious one is GIGO: Simulations, especially >>political/social ones, might depend heavily on assumptions that are >>programmed into them. A trivial, yet interesting example is the computer >>game "Sim City" which allowed you to adjust the "tax rate" but problems >>always cropped up the further away you were from 7%. The libertarians were >>frustrated that we were unable to drop the tax rate and still get a >>well-functioning, happy society. > >I was taking economics back in the Armonk Iron days and we played around with >an economic simulation program written in Fortran. One was supposed to >adjust government spending and taxes to find an optimum level. I set both >taxes and spending to zero. We got a lot of economic growth and a lot of >inflation (this was not a monetarist simulation). Yes, it does sound a bit inaccurate. Let's see, while I only took one economics course in college (macroeconomics) as I recall inflation is generally the product of either the monetarization of the deficit or an increase in wages unmatched by productivity increases. The latter is unlikely to be caused extensively by government policy or spending (Davis-Bacon is an obvious exception to this in the private sector), and if the government spending and taxes are zero then obviously the former can't be the cause. > But we were happier. That reminds me of a related flaw in Sim City. When the program is queried as to what the public's main complaints are, the information is presented by the program as the percentage of the population considering various problems to be the "most important." However, it did not explicitly rank the SERIOUSNESS of these problems in absolute terms. Since it is practically an axiom of human nature that we'll FIND something to complain about if nothing comes immediately to mind, the danger is that you'll over-react to a non-problem with a "solution" (often involving more government spending) that is even worse. Another bias was the fact that the program seemed to lump all infrastructure-type spending into government, as opposed to a privatized solution. In reality, if you drop government spending very low problems will begin to be solved by private means. In Sim City, however, the system did not compensate in this way, leading to low or even negative growth, and extreme dissatisfaction, etc. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Singapore Global Action Alert (8/29/96)
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:21 PM 8/29/96 -0500, Jean-Francois Avon wrote: >I am fed up of seing net users giving every would-be dictator the >benefit of the doubt. There is no tolerance to be applied to that. >There is no such thing as being tolerent to poison. I don't think this is giving Singapore's rulers the benefit of the doubt. Rather, it is a case of asking politely the first time. Since it is asking him to change a policy of his, it is merely avoiding calling him a shithead in the process. When you want someone to do something voluntarily, it is usually better to start by being polite. It is up to other net-forces to make sure that censorship is ineffective for technical reasons. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Cave ab homine unius libri | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | [Beware the man of one | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | book] - Anonymous Latin | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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RE: Desubscribe
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> On Or About: 29 Aug 96, 16:57, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > > > jbugden(a)smtplink.alis.ca writes: > > > > can not unsubscribe since majo= rdomo notices > > > jbugden(a)smtplink.alis.ca in the header and treats the attempt to > > > unsubscribe as a forgery. > > > > If you don't have the brains to forge the From:, then you have no > > business being subscribed to any mailing list. > > > What's worse? Losers who can't unsubscribe from a mailing list they subscribed to OR spammers? ;-) Ross

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Nuke Singapore Back into the Stone Age
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:21 PM 8/29/96, Jean-Francois Avon wrote: >I completely disagree here! > >Taking into account the philosophico-political context there, it >*obviously* indicate a *complete* understanding of the nature of the >net. It is you (the writer of the forwarded article) who did not >either dare to state or simply recognize the true nature of a govt >pushing such measures. > >I am fed up of seing net users giving every would-be dictator the >benefit of the doubt. There is no tolerance to be applied to that. >There is no such thing as being tolerent to poison. > >Why don't we start naming things by their true names? I agree with Jean-Francois--most of the recent announcements by governments about the Internet actually indicate *full awareness* of what their actions could mean for the propagation of articles, the extradition of Net.criminals, and the development of a Global New World Computer Order. The United States knew what the CDA would mean, the government of Bavaria knew what the crackdown on "racist" Web sites and newsgroups would mean, the government of Singapore understands full well what their actions could mean, and so on. And it is likely that the "control" advocates in each of these countries (and others) are pleased when one of their brother countries announces new crackdowns on the Net and Web. Very few governments actually like free speech in all of its forms, and certainly the U.S. government does not. Sure, there is lip service paid to "free speech" in the U.S., but the list of illegal things to say keeps getting longer (just last week Clinton illegalized many forms of speech involving cigarettes--what part of "Congress shall make no law" is not being understood here?). As to why so many of the criticisms of such crackdowns use "weasel language," such as the example Jean-Francois disagrees with, well, this is the way the game is played. The alternative to "The government of Singapore fails to understand the nature of the Net and could do grievous harm to it" is not quite so diplomatic: "Fucking statists. Time to nuke 'em back to the stone age." Personally, if this crackdown in Singapore happens, I intend to post various anti-Singapore and anti-Lee Kwan Yew & Sons screeds to various newsgroups that Singaporans might like to read. Then, if the Yew Dynasty decides to pull the plug, it'll be to more and more groups. --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Mail to sbinkley@atitech.ca
by Brian Pecic 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

You are continualy sending to Scott Binkley (sbinkley(a)atitech.ca) Scott is no longer at ATI so please stop sending to this invalid address. Brian Pecic bpecic(a)atitech.ca

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Re: Clinton follies ideas?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:08 PM 8/28/96 -0500, David E. Smith wrote: >Our esteemed figurehead, Bill Clinton, will be doing >the first stop of his "Road to Victory Tour" campaign >this Friday, just a few blocks from my apartment. Does >anybody have any cool suggestions on things to do to >harass, heckle, or maybe get taken down by the Secret >Service? (Or should I just yell, 'Clinton, you suck!'? :) It's too bad that somebody can't fiddle with his speech tonight, at the end of a page inserting the text, "I'm really sorry that my friend and advisor Dick Morris was caught..." and then replacing the rest of the speech with blank pages... Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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PGP & Default
by nobody＠replay.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I created a nym with a public key. Now, it's become the default so when I go to send an encrypted message, I get prompted to enter the password for my nym key. So, for the $64,000 question: How I can get my *original* public key (the one with my "real" email address) to again be the default. Thx.

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Errors-To: for cypherpunks
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Whoever is in charge of maintaining this mailnig list, PLEASE add header Errors-To: cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com I am flooded by stupid "Mailbox is full" messages from Banyan and CC-mail gateways. - Igor.

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Re: Intel to rule the basic crypto engine market?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:56 AM 8/24/96 -0500, William H. Geiger III wrote: >Intresting but..., In the era of ITAR, GAK, Key Escrows,Clipper,& FileGate >do we really want to put all our eggs in one basket? And that basket being >based on hardware? IMHO I don't see Intell standing up to the government any >more than Netscape, Mircosoft, IBM, or Lotus has. I have serious doubts that >our "beloved" goverment will alow any standard to be adopted that does not >allow them access whenever they please. I personally do not run any security >code on my machines that I do not have the >source for & have instpected. The one kind of standardization in the crypto market that we truly need, NOW, is a standard format/protocol so that crypto telephones from all manufacturers can talk to each other. The last thing we need is a tower-of-Babel situation, which would be even worse than the VHS/Beta wars of 20-10 years ago. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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