December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: What the NSA is patenting
by jfricker＠vertexgroup.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:03 PM 9/6/96 -0700, you wrote: >At 12:50 AM 9/7/96, Jean-Francois Avon wrote: >>A maybe usefull program would be a little tsr that constantly >>overwrite unused sectors of the entire drive with random patterns >>(maybe seeded with a fast keyboard interval timer). Like at the very >>moment I am writing this, my HD has been idle for several minutes... >> > > >The NSA STM method is related to reading _very subtle_ variations in >magnetic domain modifications. Jitter in read-write head positions can be >thought of as a noise (N) added to some signal (S)l. Extraction of signals >in low S/N ration environments is a well-developed science. > This excerpt from a Wired article/interview http://www.hotwired.com/wired/3.10/departments/electrosphere/data.html "No data is totally safe," says Sharp, who runs his Data Recovery Labs from the coincidentally named town of Safety Harbor, Florida. "But you can recover data that's been overwritten up to nine times. The only way to permanently remove data is with programs that can do a 'severe security erase,' when the drive is over-written 10 consecutive times." Believe it or don't!

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/\/\/\/\/HELP\/\/\/\/\ !!!!!!!!!
by kickboxer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I really need help unsubscribing from the Cypherpunks list! it is imperative!

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No Subject
by raptrtrust＠sigmais.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello. I would like to know more about cryptography. Please snd me any information that you have. Thank you, RaptrTrust

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Re: /\/\/\/\/HELP\/\/\/\/\ !!!!!!!!!
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Or About: 7 Sep 96 at 16:46, kickboxer wrote: > I really need help unsubscribing from the Cypherpunks list! it is imperative! > HA HA HA HA HA HA!! That's soooo funny!!!

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Re: What the NSA is patenting
by jfricker＠vertexgroup.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:56 PM 9/7/96 -0500, you wrote: >John F. Fricker wrote: >> >> This excerpt from a Wired article/interview >> http://www.hotwired.com/wired/3.10/departments/electrosphere/data.html >> >> "No data is totally safe," says Sharp ... > >That entire article struck me as a load of hogwash the first time I >read it. This Sharp dude rehashed several old fairy tales about >data recovery. > Actually Sharp appears only in that one quote. The article is poorly editted. The rest of the article quotes some other data recovery experts and "Sharp" is never mentioned again. It's fun to debunk journalists but it takes more than saying "it's bunk". --j

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Re: Deleted Message
by jfricker＠vertexgroup.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I wonder what I said? At 08:41 PM 9/7/96 -24000, you wrote: >To: <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> >From: MQG-SMTP3@USMC_MASTERINET@Servers[<jfricker(a)vertexgroup.com>] >Subject: Re: Mail OnNet > Message in Transport deleted by: > ADMINISTRATOR@USMC_MASTERINET@Servers > >

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talker
by doom13＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Whoever, I am doom13. If there is anyone out there who is a hacker or would like to be one you can talk to me and find out stuff like cracking. Just drop a message at doom13(a)juno.com. Doom13

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Re: TWA 800 - Friendly Fire?
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

<pstira(a)escape.com> wrote: > The one thing I have been thinking about, since the very beginning, is > am I the only person who feels this might have been somewhat less than > unintentional? It sure would be easy to take those rights away if > everyone is afraid for their "lives"... > Look at what has been happening in the news lately, and look at how > much is "unexplained" or flimsy evidencially speaking, in the very > least. > If, for instance, the government wanted to cut down on civil > liberties/civil rights, it would seem MIGHTY CONVENIENT that so much > is "accidentally" happening so close together. > Ditto with the Olympics thing. > I vote something is QUITE fishy, and I guess I hope I'm not the only > one paranoid enough to feel the same. Sure something's fishy. Look at the technological capabilities they have, and we're not keeping up with them. One example: L.A. riots, 1992. 6,500 or so fires, unknown arsonist(s). But very convenient for clearing certain properties if you're putting in a new freeway or subway tunnel, and you don't want to have to fight with all the riffraff who might be resistant to getting up and moving. So how do you light all those fires? Do it the hard way - plant the stuff (6,000-plus times!) and hope nobody catches your guys, or light 'em up from satellites, using "new experimental" focused energy. Gosh, Mr. Bill, would they do that? Guess it depends on what you're willing to believe. Remember what Tom Wolfe wrote about? "The reason the folks on the East Coast (circa 1700's) were such easy victims for the pirates was the fact that they couldn't comprehend just how vicious and ruthless the pirates really were." (quote approximate).

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by doom13＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Has anyone been on a bbs lately. I just subscribed to cypherpunks mailing list.

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Re: Los Angeles Times article on Helsingius and anon.penet.fi
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>The principle fear of the authorities appears to be terrorist rather >than normal criminal activities. Either that, or the fear that authorities are no longer necessary unless they can point to something dangerous that they're protecting the rest of us from - with the plausibility of the Godless Communist Threat waning, it becomes necessary for drug sellers and people with fringe politics to appear more threatening. Support (political and financial) for the exercise of power is a function of the anxiety level of the populace. People whose income and sense of self-worth is derived from that exercise of power have a clear interest in maintaining or increasing the level of anxiety. Do you imagine a future in which law enforcement holds a press conference to announce "We're mostly eating donuts and reading magazines. There's not much for us to do. Perhaps half of us should be laid off or something."? Can you imagine the military spontaneously downsizing, or failing to oppose reductions in force? >Terrorism is no longer limited to far >off irredentist struggles that ex-patriates can harbour romantic >thoughts about. The reality the the IRA is an organisation that murders >children by placing a bomb in a rubbish bin outside a MacDonalds has >been brought home to the suporters of Noraid through the bombings of the >World Trade Center, Oaklahoma and Atlanta. While domestic terrorist events may bring a sharper focus to discussions of the merits and costs of politically motivated violence, your fantasy that it will somehow bring about a change in someone's substantive politics is amusing. It seems at least as likely that domestic repression purportedly adopted in "response" to recent events will create a feeling of solidarity with people living under Orwellian governments. ("Of course those guys over there are blowing things up. Their government sucks. Hey, our government is starting to suck. Let's blow some stuff up.") Further, your notion that "terrorism" has somehow been limited to "far-off irredentist struggles" of concern only to expatriates is ridiculous. Have you not noticed the arson, bombings, and shootings at abortion clinics in the US? Or the history of violence on the (neo-) left, e.g., the Weather Underground, etc.? Or the history of the KKK and race-motivated lynchings/beatings? Or the Unabomber? >If one lives in a country >where there is little terrorism it is easy to imagine that people driven >to extreeme actions are driven by a extreeme situation. If one is faced >with the reality of terrorism one soon reaches the conclusion that its >perpetrators are simply ordinary psychopaths. Isn't it wonderful that "one" unavoidably "reaches conclusions" which eliminate moral and political arguments you find uninteresting? We might as well announce that "One soon learns that repression will never eliminate violent opposition" or some other arguable proposition. Deciding that every person who supports or engages in politically motivated violence is an "ordinary psychopath" suggests that many, many people are psychopaths; and that makes the diagnosis of "psychopath" unremarkable. Was that really your point? >Having stated that terrorism is an important concern for the state it is >necessary to ask whether it is necessary to restrict freedom to combat >terrorism. In answering one must bear in mind that a central part of >most terrorist strategies is to force the state to respond with >disproportionate measures (here recent events in Chetchnya indicate that >Trotsky was not widely read in the USSR). Or perhaps "it is necessary to ask" whether restricting pre-existing freedom has ever reduced or eliminated "terrorism"; it's certainly worked well in Lebanon and the Palestine, in Germany, Japan, and Peru .. or has it? (But as counterexamples, we've got the Soviet Union under Stalin, Germany under Hitler, Italy under Mussolini, Chile under Pinochet, Cuba under Castro, Nicaragua in the mid-80's, and China. Perhaps you're right.) >Absolutely anonymous cash may create problems, but what if it were >possible to generate small quantities of "marked bills" within an >otherwise anonymous system. If the circumstances under which the marked >bills could be distributed were limited to a small set of tightly >controlled circumstances the legitimate need of the government to oppose >terrorism and organised crime could be met without imposing a Singapore >style system with total monitoring. Boy, if we could just figure out the right combination of procedural rules, we could simply abandon all of this problematic "rights" stuff. Wouldn't that be a lot simpler? These pesky "rights" keep getting in the way of legitimate government needs. Shit. >In effect what is taking place is a negotiation between two groups, the >government and civil rights activists. If one side refuses to consider >the needs of the other they will be marginalised. Absolutism in politics >is usually a bad thing. Politics usually works through compromises. The >art being to ensure that one compromises the inessential terms in order >to defend the key items. Don't forget that it's necessary to adopt an exaggerated version of your own position, such that you can "compromise" your way to "agreeing" on exactly what you wanted in the first place. It's also useful to categorize your opponent's position as "extreme", "radical", "unworkable", "unrealistic", or "militant" - such that they cannot continue to maintain it and remain "reasonable". (e.g., "extreeme [sic] examples of Chaumian cash") In effect what is taking place is a negotiation between two groups, the government and civil rights activists. The government is asking us if we'd rather be shot in the right kneecap or the left kneecap to ensure that we don't try to run from the legitimate needs of the government. If the civil rights groups don't get on the bandwagon and pick a kneecap, they'll lose any chance they had to have an influence over this crucial process of self-government. Would you like one lump, or two? >If privacy is raised as a policy concern in this >election it will reoccur in the next and both parties will have to >justify their policies in terms of personal privacy as well as >everything else. Not if "privacy" is considered something suspicious which only extremist militant pro-pedophile terrorists would be interested in. After all, every reasonable person is open to compromising in order to accommodate the state's legitimate interest in preventing bad things from happening, right? And if a little repression and loss of privacy doesn't seem to improve things, we'd better just have some more, hmm? Never can get too much of that compromise stuff. -- Greg Broiles |"Post-rotational nystagmus was the subject of gbroiles(a)netbox.com |an in-court demonstration by the People http://www.io.com/~gbroiles |wherein Sgt Page was spun around by Sgt |Studdard." People v. Quinn 580 NYS2d 818,825.

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Re: What the NSA is patenting
by pgut001＠cs.auckland.ac.nz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>>United States Patent Patent Number: 5264794 >>> Date of Patent: 23 Nov 1993 >>> >>>Method of measuring magnetic fields on magnetically recorded media using a >>>scanning tunneling microscope and magnetic probe >>techology isn't much different from what's publicly available), in this case >>all they were doing was protecting their investment (just like the various PKC >>patents originally assigned to universities). >I'm sure there's going to be a REALLY marketable device out of this to get >royalties off of. No, the market for the more mainstream MFM's is small (a few K devices), for MFSTM's it's even smaller (a few dozen?). MFSTM's are usually built by universities for research purposes, which means the patent won't affect them. As I said before, it's purely a "we paid for the research, we want some paper to wave around to justify the cost" thing. >Question: if we pay taxes, then we pay for the research. if we pay for the >research, we should be able to see the results, just like shareholders in a >company. You can see the results, just read the Journal of Applied Physics or IEEE Transactions on Magnetics. I know people like to come up with conspiracy theories about the NSA, but this patent won't work as the basis for one. Peter.

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Re: TWA 800 - Friendly Fire?
by Mark Neely 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Look at what has been happening in the news lately -- and look at how >much is "unexplained" or flimsy evidencially speaking, in the very least. >If, for instance, the government wanted to cut down on civil >liberties/civil rights, it would seem MIGHTY CONVENIENT that so much is >"accidentally" happening so close together. >-Millie >sfuze(a)tiac.net Yes, I wonder if the WhiteHouse will rush through a bill overturning the anti-terrorist measures which they justified on the basis of the TWA bombing. Regards, Mark ___ Mark Neely - accessnt(a)ozemail.com.au Lawyer, Internet Consultant, Professional Cynic Author: Australian Beginner's Guide to the Internet (2nd Ed.) Australian Business Guide to the Internet Internet Guide for Teachers, Students & Parents Check out my Anti-SPAM FAQ: http://www.accessnt.com.au/faqs/spam.htm

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[PARANOID NOISE]Re: TWA 800 - Friendly Fire?
by jfricker＠vertexgroup.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:55 PM 9/7/96 -0700, you wrote: ><pstira(a)escape.com> wrote: >> The one thing I have been thinking about, since the very beginning, is >> am I the only person who feels this might have been somewhat less than >> unintentional? It sure would be easy to take those rights away if >> everyone is afraid for their "lives"... >> Look at what has been happening in the news lately, and look at how >> much is "unexplained" or flimsy evidencially speaking, in the very >> least. >> If, for instance, the government wanted to cut down on civil >> liberties/civil rights, it would seem MIGHTY CONVENIENT that so much >> is "accidentally" happening so close together. >> Ditto with the Olympics thing. >> I vote something is QUITE fishy, and I guess I hope I'm not the only >> one paranoid enough to feel the same. > >Sure something's fishy. Look at the technological capabilities they >have, and we're not keeping up with them. One example: > >L.A. riots, 1992. 6,500 or so fires, unknown arsonist(s). But very >convenient for clearing certain properties if you're putting in a new >freeway or subway tunnel, and you don't want to have to fight with all >the riffraff who might be resistant to getting up and moving. > >So how do you light all those fires? Do it the hard way - plant the >stuff (6,000-plus times!) and hope nobody catches your guys, or light >'em up from satellites, using "new experimental" focused energy. Gosh, >Mr. Bill, would they do that? Guess it depends on what you're willing to >believe. Remember what Tom Wolfe wrote about? "The reason the folks on >the East Coast (circa 1700's) were such easy victims for the pirates was >the fact that they couldn't comprehend just how vicious and ruthless the >pirates really were." (quote approximate). > > For some reason I find seeing satellites flying in formation rather disturbing. The classic 3-4-5 right triangle makes somebody's math easier, I'm sure. I have watched the sky for 20 years and seeing that pattern glide across the sky made we wonder just what the shuttle is doing up there. How many satellites have been placed in orbit? How precise are their positions? --j

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Re: take the pledge
by attila 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Alright! it's a genuine PerryGram! I'll take the pledge; I've never been able to answer Sternlight without being significantly more offensive than usual! attila -- one of the few things we all share: the utter, corrosive contempt for our elected officials. -------------------------------------------------------- In, on 07/19/96 at 12:06 PM, "Perry E. Metzger" <perry(a)piermont.com> said: =Subject: take the pledge =Look, folks, we all know that 99% of what David Sternlight posts is =garbage. Why don't we all pledge not to answer any of his posts, and =then he'll go away. If necessary, someone can be appointed to post a =weekly "the views expressed by David are junk and we are deliberately =not replying to them directly" message. =David has plenty of places to argue with the wind. We don't need to =add this one. =I'd like to ask people to publically pledge that they will not reply =to David's messages. This is such a pledge. =Perry

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Re: /\/\/\/\/HELP\/\/\/\/\ !!!!!!!!!
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I really need help unsubscribing from the Cypherpunks list! it is imperative! > It is Imperrative that you do the following to ubsubscibe umself luddite. Get 3 other friends to send in messages to majordomo(a)toad.com with the line subscribe cypherpunks (their email address here) in the message then once they have subscribed send a message to cypherpunks(a)eff.org with the following in it: Authorise: (email 1) (email 2) (email 3) END replacing (email x) with their email addresses. then send a message to majordomo(a)toad.com with the line: unsubscribe cypherpunks (your email) and you will be taken off the 3 friends email addresses act as a security protocol to ensure you cannot be maliciously removed by someone else.. they will then have to repeat the exercise with 3 friends each of their own to unsubscribe themselves and so on down the chain... good luck. Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Http://www.fatmans.demon.co.uk/crypt/ "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey" -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQCNAjH9j+cAAAEEAMBvREiQR0ot9dFCO0TiSCSunAYLv2g1Bc6I3bz8FzKXNH53 6mieJf/W4rD+CxJpT0q9RQaaoRtkHJLwbjfK2il3D7mEahMAyqvF/xRJNqkXfhM3 sRJM0Jh43l+W0M5vwokbEbk25/bxWWGspTsLD3YHbzKnG6pOcL5OPIRbv66xAAUR tCdQYXVsIEJyYWRsZXkgPHBhdWxAZmF0bWFucy5kZW1vbi5jby51az4= =riHc -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Another Namespace Collision
by Charles Gimon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: talker
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 07 Sep 1996 21:52:25 EDT, Floyd W Odom wrote: > I am doom13. If there is anyone out there who is a hacker or >would like to be one you can talk to me and find out stuff like cracking. >Just drop a message at doom13(a)juno.com. Hmmmm... Want to bet our other friend at juno.com sent him? I might just end up killfiling juno.com... Obviously a low-IQ area of the net. - "'Anonymity is bad,' says a source who wishes to remain anonymous." - Nuff' said. * Home: Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp * Autoresponder: send email w/subject of "send resume" or "send PGPKEY" * Work: cadams(a)acucobol.com | V.M. (619)515-4894 | (619)689-6579 * Member in good standing of the GNU whirled hors d'oeuvre

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Re: talker
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:26 PM 9/8/96 -0500, Roger Williams wrote: > Yup -- you're never going to see a very high SNR out of Juno: Yes, the anarchy list has a persistent moron from Juno.com, educated well above his intelligence. A seriously proflic loon. I have told eudora to transfer everything from juno.com into my loon file, regardless of author. Makes AOL.com look like caltech. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: /\/\/\/\/HELP\/\/\/\/\ !!!!!!!!!
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 7 Sep 1996 16:46:40 -0500, kickboxer wrote: >I really need help unsubscribing from the Cypherpunks list! it is imperative! We could probably just condense that message by removing everything after the fourth word without losing much... - "'Anonymity is bad,' says a source who wishes to remain anonymous." - Nuff' said. * Home: Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp * Autoresponder: send email w/subject of "send resume" or "send PGPKEY" * Work: cadams(a)acucobol.com | V.M. (619)515-4894 | (619)689-6579 * Member in good standing of the GNU whirled hors d'oeuvre

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Re: talker
by Blake Wehlage 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I am doom13. If there is anyone out there who is a hacker or >would like to be one you can talk to me and find out stuff like cracking. >Just drop a message at doom13(a)juno.com. OK.... I'M sick of this spamming..... ITS CYPHERpunks, NOT CYBERpunks. ps.... u don't 'ask someone to be a hacker, u have to find it out ur self.... one more thing... how come all these 'spamers' are from juno... and one make this connect too??? my very own 13 year old $0.02 ========================================== Blake Wehlage <jwilk(a)iglou.com> ±» RëVðLû¡ØÑ Bø+ ©ÖmP@ñ¥ «± Goto: http://members.iglou.com/jwilk

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Teledesic, the censored internet in the sky.
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Teledesic, the censored internet in the sky. Late last year the organized violence monopolies of the world voted to give Bill Gates 400 Megahertz of bandwidth, at the same frequency in each monopoly. I would guesstimate the value of this grant to be around ten billion dollars. Don't run out and buy Microsoft shares. When I said Bill Gates, I meant Bill Gates. I did not mean Microsoft. Bill Gates intends to build an internet in the sky, eight hundred satellites in low earth orbit, each of them with big bandwidth connections to its nearest neighbors, and each with a four hundred megahertz connection to each of many squares of ground underneath it. What caused the collected killers of the world to show such unanimous generosity towards Bill Gates? Bill Gates proposed a network that would be completely censorable. He will not sell pipes to his space backbone, he will sell pipes from a particular rectangle on the ground to its space backbone. You would buy a right to connect from any place in a single small area, not any a right to connect from any place in the world, and Bill Gates would only sell such rights to government approved organizations, which would then presumably resell connections to private individuals -- connections that would first run through government controlled pipes to check for politically incorrect bits before they reached Bill Gates' sky backbone. Of course we should not condemn him too harshly for this: He needs approval from Singapore, Iran, France, Germany, Communist China, and the like, in order to get a single uniform world wide frequency band, and would be unlikely to get it for any reasonable proposal. The government pipes in his proposal are as useless as wheels on a fish, because he promises his ground stations will be quite cheap. Therefore private citizens who are not permitted direct access to his internet in the sky will feel the impact of tyranny immediately in their wallets. Bill Gates internet in the sky will provide short and near constant latency, therefore telephone connections running through it should be pretty good, whereas existing internet phone sucks mightily. Teledesic is promised to come on line in 2001, though we have seen how Microsoft meets schedules in the past. I conjecture 2006. I also predict that once the scheme is securely in place, and jamming it becomes painful, Bill Gates will find a thousand ways to chisel the government monopoly middlemen in his proposal. I would guess that Motorola's less ambitious Iridium project will only be a year or two late, but it has little potential to revolutionize the world the way Bill Gates proposal has. I expect once the scheme is in place, the government monopolies in Gate's plan will be under attack both from above and from below. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Deleted Message (fwd)
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-- I hate lightning - finger for public key - Vote Monarchist unicorn(a)schloss.li ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 7 Sep 96 16:56:55 -24000 From: MAILER-DAEMON(a)mqg-smtp3.usmc.mil To: unicorn(a)schloss.li Subject: Deleted Message To: "Jon Lebkowsky" <jonl(a)well.com> From: MQG-SMTP3@USMC_MASTERINET@Servers[<unicorn(a)schloss.li>] Subject: Re: What is the EFF doing exactly? Message in Transport deleted by: ADMINISTRATOR@USMC_MASTERINET@Servers

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Deleted Message (fwd)
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cute eh? -- I hate lightning - finger for public key - Vote Monarchist unicorn(a)schloss.li ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 7 Sep 96 17:00:49 -24000 From: MAILER-DAEMON(a)mqg-smtp3.usmc.mil To: unicorn(a)schloss.li Subject: Deleted Message To: "Vladimir Z. Nuri" <vznuri(a)netcom.com> From: MQG-SMTP3@USMC_MASTERINET@Servers[<unicorn(a)schloss.li>] Subject: Re: What is the EFF doing exactly? Message in Transport deleted by: ADMINISTRATOR@USMC_MASTERINET@Servers

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by gsi＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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(Fwd) Teledesic, the censored internet in the sky.
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- to: Bill Gates, Microsoft Corp. From: jf_avon(a)citenet.net Date: 8 sept 1996 Cc.: cypehrpunks(a)toad.com Mr. Gates Could you please enlighten me about this proposed system and about the veracity of the following information? Thanks jfa - -- Jean-Francois Avon, Montreal QC Canada DePompadour, Societe d'Importation Ltee Limoges porcelain, silverware and crystal JFA Technologies R&D consultants: physicists technologists and engineers. PGP keys at: http://w3.citenet.net/users/jf_avon ID# C58ADD0D : 529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 - ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 06:22:47 -0700 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> Subject: Teledesic, the censored internet in the sky. Teledesic, the censored internet in the sky. Late last year the organized violence monopolies of the world voted to give Bill Gates 400 Megahertz of bandwidth, at the same frequency in each monopoly. I would guesstimate the value of this grant to be around ten billion dollars. Don't run out and buy Microsoft shares. When I said Bill Gates, I meant Bill Gates. I did not mean Microsoft. Bill Gates intends to build an internet in the sky, eight hundred satellites in low earth orbit, each of them with big bandwidth connections to its nearest neighbors, and each with a four hundred megahertz connection to each of many squares of ground underneath it. What caused the collected killers of the world to show such unanimous generosity towards Bill Gates? Bill Gates proposed a network that would be completely censorable. He will not sell pipes to his space backbone, he will sell pipes from a particular rectangle on the ground to its space backbone. You would buy a right to connect from any place in a single small area, not any a right to connect from any place in the world, and Bill Gates would only sell such rights to government approved organizations, which would then presumably resell connections to private individuals -- connections that would first run through government controlled pipes to check for politically incorrect bits before they reached Bill Gates' sky backbone. Of course we should not condemn him too harshly for this: He needs approval from Singapore, Iran, France, Germany, Communist China, and the like, in order to get a single uniform world wide frequency band, and would be unlikely to get it for any reasonable proposal. The government pipes in his proposal are as useless as wheels on a fish, because he promises his ground stations will be quite cheap. Therefore private citizens who are not permitted direct access to his internet in the sky will feel the impact of tyranny immediately in their wallets. Bill Gates internet in the sky will provide short and near constant latency, therefore telephone connections running through it should be pretty good, whereas existing internet phone sucks mightily. Teledesic is promised to come on line in 2001, though we have seen how Microsoft meets schedules in the past. I conjecture 2006. I also predict that once the scheme is securely in place, and jamming it becomes painful, Bill Gates will find a thousand ways to chisel the government monopoly middlemen in his proposal. I would guess that Motorola's less ambitious Iridium project will only be a year or two late, but it has little potential to revolutionize the world the way Bill Gates proposal has. I expect once the scheme is in place, the government monopolies in Gate's plan will be under attack both from above and from below. --------------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i iQEVAgUBMjIM9MiycyXFit0NAQFv0wf/dD4REx7IYcp/X+seWiDF73Z8Kr37E2IS rLub4J6XamQw2fMhDzgHiNhpy5HWH/mY1mQjOdhe5kA204aQKHk8ktXCQW6YC7fA VZCbJ+RJ0pluozWGOOC/hUbYed2vCEBjnjpBHaiFC3dHGVxHF43+L7nlp+RaeRCY Wb0H6XzwEh3Lei+vMzn/28RIJGabUOPSvDM6vK0AwNyZDXHobg/Ys7bTo9T8odvB Hz2WR2yBWT1uM1vasHfYDXeFwTvqFbdBv5TWXhNYzCdF6sexRAgD/iofoPmTLxno FdeVbG9pK09Zd3UDAu8x6Oojgi28S686f49YT0TyyeK8IjXNU9vYxQ== =F/SH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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