December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Naked woman decapitates man on Internet!!!
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:00 AM 8/20/96, Lucky Green wrote: >On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Mark O. Aldrich wrote: > >> On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Rich Graves wrote: >> >> Yes, it's true. Her boyfriend kills the guy while she's >> giving him a blow job. Then they "get naked," hack up the body, and pose >> various body parts in, uh, 'interesting' positions. The whole story's on >> the Web site. Check them out at: >> >> http://www.grotesque.com/ >That was intense... But not as intense as it could be with Internet video! BTW, I've linked this page to my "A Childe's Own Primer on the Net," but I have warned young impressionables to only view the page if they want to see something gross. (Since no child wants to see something gross, this should deter them.) I wonder how the images were gotten? The site mentions that they were entered as evidence in the trial of the two bikers, but presumably the photo evidence would have been sealed. Not that this means much, given that the autopsy photos of Nicole Brown Simpson made it out onto the Net shortly after being taken. (I guess one of the evidence clerks or attorneys had a scanner and access to a remailer....) I do expect this to be added to the list of evils that the peo-CDA attorneys will cite. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Taxes on Internet access prediction
by Mike McNally 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

States and municipalities are taxing internet access. Who wants to make a prediction about if/when the IRS will start to count net access as a taxable fringe benefit of employment? (At a small company where I once worked, a tax accountant visiting one day noticed that we had a weight bench set up in a back corner of the big "back room". He advised us to be careful, because the IRS could count that as a taxable employee benefit.) -- ______c_________________________________________________________________ Mike M Nally * Tiv^H^H^H IBM * Austin TX * For the time being, m5(a)tivoli.com * m101(a)io.com * <URL:http://www.io.com/~m101> * three heads and eight arms.

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Re: your mail
by Daniel Miskell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I feel like a fool now. I think I'll go slam some Jello laced with Dew and quack like a dolphin now. Daniel.

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Re: Naked woman decapitates man on Internet!!!
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:00 PM 8/19/96 -0700, Lucky Green wrote: >That was intense... Just goes to show you what some people will do to get a head... ]:> --- |"Computers are Voodoo -- You just have to know where to stick the pins."| |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ | alano(a)teleport.com |

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Anonymous password assignment failure (no password)
by daemon＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

You have requested the assignment of a new password However, your message text didn't contain any password. Remember that passwords should only contain letters and numbers.

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Re: [NOISE] Naked woman decrapitates man on Internet!!!
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sick, stuff. Yet everyone has to sneek a peek, just like a car crash. Hey, I did. I made the whole trip through the lurid pages. Ross =========== Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

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CIA Contra Crack and LA Gangs (fwd)
by Julian Assange 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From notes(a)igc.org Tue Aug 20 15:07:25 1996 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:27:27 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Moderator of conference "justice.polabuse" <bwitanek(a)igc.apc.org> From: Bob Witanek <bwitanek(a)igc.apc.org> Subject: CIA Contra Crack and LA Gangs To: Recipients of pol-abuse <pol-abuse(a)igc.apc.org> Message-ID: <APC&1'0'a9f98b64'6db(a)igc.apc.org> X-Gateway: conf2mail(a)igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-pol-abuse(a)igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 364 From: Bob Witanek <bwitanek(a)igc.apc.org> Posted mnovick(a)laedu.lalc.k12.ca.us Sun Aug 18 22:23:45 1996 This is an astonishing mainstream media documentation of the role of the U.S. state in the guns for drugs trade and its social devastation results in the U.S. Although the piece focuses on U.S. involvement on the guns end in Central America, this was a clear two-birds with one stone counter-insurgency strategy at this end, too. Given the continuing effect of crack (and its hypocritical super-criminalization by the government), genocide is probably too mild a word for this. '80s effort to assist guerrillas left legacy of drugs, gangs in black L.A. By Gary Webb Mercury News Staff Writer For the better part of a decade, a Bay Area drug ring sold tons of cocaine to the Crips and Bloods street gangs of Los Angeles and funneled millions in drug profits to a Latin American guerrilla army run by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, a Mercury News investigation has found. This drug network opened the first pipeline between Colombia's cocaine cartels and the black neighborhoods of Los Angeles, a city now known as the ``crack'' capital of the world. The cocaine that flooded in helped spark a crack explosion in urban America -- and provided the cash and connections needed for L.A.'s gangs to buy automatic weapons. It is one of the most bizarre alliances in modern history: the union of a U.S.-backed army attempting to overthrow a revolutionary socialist government and the Uzi-toting ``gangstas'' of Compton and South-Central Los Angeles. The army's financiers -- who met with CIA agents both before and during the time they were selling the drugs in L.A. -- delivered cut-rate cocaine to the gangs through a young South-Central crack dealer named Ricky Donnell Ross. Unaware of his suppliers' military and political connections, ``Freeway Rick"'' -- a dope dealer of mythic proportions in the L.A. drug world -- turned the cocaine powder into crack and wholesaled it to gangs across the country. The cash Ross paid for the cocaine, court records show, was then used to buy weapons and equipment for a guerrilla army named the Fuerza Democratica Nicaraguense (Nicaraguan Democratic Force) or FDN, the largest of several anti-communist groups commonly called the Contras. While the FDN's war is barely a memory today, black America is still dealing with its poisonous side effects. Urban neighborhoods are grappling with legions of homeless crack addicts. Thousands of young black men are serving long prison sentences for selling cocaine -- a drug that was virtually unobtainable in black neighborhoods before members of the CIA's army brought it into South-Central in the 1980s at bargain-basement prices. And the L.A. gangs, which used their enormous cocaine profits to arm themselves and spread crack across the country, are still thriving, turning entire blocks of major cities into occasional war zones. ``There is a saying that the ends justify the means,'' former FDN leader and drug dealer Oscar Danilo Blandon Reyes testified during a recent cocaine trafficking trial in San Diego. ``And that's what Mr. Bermudez (the CIA agent who commanded the FDN) told us in Honduras, OK? So we started raising money for the Contra revolution.'' Recently declassified reports, federal court testimony, undercover tapes, court records here and abroad and hundreds of hours of interviews over the past 12 months leave no doubt that Blandon was no ordinary drug dealer. Shortly before Blandon -- who had been the drug ring's Southern California distributor -- took the stand in San Diego as a witness for the U.S. Department of Justice, federal prosecutors obtained a court order preventing defense lawyers from delving into his ties to the CIA. Blandon, one of the FDN's founders in California, ``will admit that he was a large-scale dealer in cocaine, and there is no additional benefit to any defendant to inquire as to the Central Intelligence Agency,'' Assistant U.S. Attorney L.J. O'Neale argued in his motion shortly before Ross' trial on cocaine trafficking charges in March. The most Blandon would say in court about who called the shots when he sold cocaine for the FDN was that ``we received orders from the -- from other people.'' The 5,000-man FDN, records show, was created in mid-1981 when the CIA combined several existing groups of anti-communist exiles into a unified force it hoped would topple the new socialist government of Nicaragua. >From 1982 to 1988, the FDN -- run by both American and Nicaraguan CIA agents -- waged a losing war against Nicaragua's Sandinista government, the Cuban-supported socialists who'd overthrown U.S.-backed dictator Anastasio Somoza in 1979. Blandon, who began working for the FDN's drug operation in late 1981, testified that the drug ring sold almost a ton of cocaine in the United States that year -- $54 million worth at prevailing wholesale prices. It was not clear how much of the money found its way back to the CIA's army, but Blandon testified that ``whatever we were running in L.A., the profit was going for the Contra revolution.'' At the time of that testimony, Blandon was a full-time informant for the Drug Enforcement Administration, a job the U.S. Department of Justice got him after releasing him from prison in 1994. Though Blandon admitted to crimes that have sent others away for life, the Justice Department turned him loose on unsupervised probation after only 28 months behind bars and has paid him more than $166,000 since, court records show. ``He has been extraordinarily helpful,'' federal prosecutor O'Neale told Blandon's judge in a plea for the trafficker's release in 1994. Though O'Neale once described Blandon to a grand jury as ``the biggest Nicaraguan cocaine dealer in the United States,'' the prosecutor would not discuss him with the Mercury News. A known dealer since '74 has stayed out of U.S. jails Blandon's boss in the FDN's cocaine operation, Juan Norwin Meneses Cantarero, has never spent a day in a U.S. prison, even though the federal government has been aware of his cocaine dealings since at least 1974, records show. Meneses -- who ran the drug ring from his homes in the Bay Area -- is listed in the DEA's computers as a major international drug smuggler and was implicated in 45 separate federal investigations. Yet he and his cocaine-dealing relatives lived quite openly in the Bay Area for years, buying homes in Pacifica and Burlingame, along with bars, restaurants, car lots and factories in San Francisco, Hayward and Oakland. ``I even drove my own cars, registered in my name,'' Meneses said during a recent interview in Nicaragua. Meneses' organization was ``the target of unsuccessful investigative attempts for many years,'' prosecutor O'Neale acknowledged in a 1994 affidavit. But records and interviews revealed that a number of those probes were stymied not by the elusive Meneses but by agencies of the U.S. government. Agents from four organizations -- the DEA, U.S. Customs, the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department and the California Bureau of Narcotic Enforcement -- have complained that investigations were hampered by the CIA or unnamed ``national security'' interests. 1988 investigation hit a wall of secrecy One 1988 investigation by a U.S. Senate subcommittee ran into a wall of official secrecy at the Justice Department. In that case, congressional records show, Senate investigators were trying to determine why the U.S. attorney in San Francisco, Joseph Russoniello, had given $36,000 back to a Nicaraguan cocaine dealer arrested by the FBI. The money was returned, court records show, after two Contra leaders sent letters to the court swearing that the drug dealer had been given the cash to buy weapons for guerrillas. Russoniello said it was cheaper to give the money back than to disprove that claim. ``The Justice Department flipped out to prevent us from getting access to people, records -- finding anything out about it,'' recalled Jack Blum, former chief counsel to the Senate subcommittee that investigated allegations of Contra cocaine trafficking. ``It was one of the most frustrating exercises that I can ever recall.'' It wasn't until 1989, a few months after the Contra-Sandinista war ended and five years after Meneses moved from the Peninsula to a ranch in Costa Rica, that the U.S. government took action against him -- sort of. Federal prosecutors in San Francisco charged Meneses with conspiracy to distribute one kilo of cocaine in 1984, a year in which he was working publicly with the FDN. In S.F. photo, Meneses seen with CIA operative Meneses' work was so public, in fact, that he posed for a picture in June 1984 in a kitchen of a San Francisco home with the FDN's political boss, Adolfo Calero, a longtime CIA operative who became the public face of the Contras in the United States. According to the indictment, Meneses was in the midst of his alleged cocaine conspiracy at the time the picture was taken. But the indictment was quickly locked away in the vaults of the San Francisco federal courthouse, where it remains today -- inexplicably secret for more than seven years. Meneses was never arrested. Reporters found a copy of the secret indictment in Nicaragua, along with a federal arrest warrant issued Feb. 8, 1989. Records show the no-bail warrant was never entered into the national law enforcement database called NCIC, which police use to track down fugitives. The former federal prosecutor who indicted him, Eric Swenson, declined to be interviewed. After Nicaraguan police arrested Meneses on cocaine charges in Managua in 1991, his judge expressed astonishment that the infamous smuggler went unmolested by American drug agents during his years in the United States. ``How do you explain the fact that Norwin Meneses, implicated since 1974 in the trafficking of drugs . . . has not been detained in the United States, a country in which he has lived, entered and departed many times since 1974?'' Judge Martha Quezada asked during a pretrial hearing. ``Well, that question needs to be asked to the authorities of the United States,'' replied Roger Mayorga, then chief of Nicaragua's anti-drug agency. U.S. officials amazed Meneses remained free His seeming invulnerability amazed American authorities as well. A Customs agent who investigated Meneses in 1980 before transferring elsewhere said he was reassigned to San Francisco seven years later ``and I was sitting in some meetings and here's Meneses' name again. And I can remember thinking, `Holy cow, is this guy still around?' '' Blandon led an equally charmed life. For at least five years he brokered massive amounts of cocaine to the black gangs of Los Angeles without being arrested. But his luck changed overnight. On Oct. 27, 1986, agents from the FBI, the IRS, local police and the Los Angeles County sheriff fanned out across Southern California and raided more than a dozen locations connected to Blandon's cocaine operation. Blandon and his wife, along with numerous Nicaraguan associates, were arrested on drug and weapons charges. The search warrant affidavit reveals that local drug agents knew plenty about Blandon's involvement with cocaine and the CIA's army nearly 10 years ago. ``Danilo Blandon is in charge of a sophisticated cocaine smuggling and distribution organization operating in Southern California,'' L.A. County sheriff's Sgt. Tom Gordon said in the 1986 affidavit. ``The monies gained from the sales of cocaine are transported to Florida and laundered through Orlando Murillo, who is a high-ranking officer of a chain of banks in Florida named Government Securities Corporation. From this bank the monies are filtered to the Contra rebels to buy arms in the war in Nicaragua.'' Corporate records show that Murillo -- a Nicaraguan banker and relative of Blandon's wife -- was a vice-president of Government Securities Corporation in Coral Gables, a large brokerage firm that collapsed in 1987 amid allegations of fraud. Murillo did not respond to an interview request. Despite their intimate knowledge of Blandon's operations, the police raids were a spectacular failure. Every location had been cleaned of anything remotely incriminating. No one was ever prosecuted. Ron Spear, a spokesman for Los Angeles County Sheriff Sherman Block, said Blandon somehow knew that he was under police surveillance. Others thought so, too. ``The cops always believed that investigation had been compromised by the CIA,'' Los Angeles federal public defender Barbara O'Connor said in a recent interview. O'Connor knew of the raids because she later defended the raids' leader, Sgt. Gordon, against federal charges of police corruption. Gordon, convicted of tax evasion, declined to be interviewed. Lawyer suggests aid was at root of problem FBI records show that soon after the raids, Blandon's defense attorney, Bradley Brunon, called the sheriff's department to suggest that his client's troubles stemmed from a most unlikely source: a recent congressional vote authorizing $100 million in military aid to the CIA's Contra army. According to a December 1986 FBI Teletype, Brunon told the officers that the ``CIA winked at this sort of thing. . . . (Brunon) indicated that now that U.S. Congress had voted funds for the Nicaraguan Contra movement, U.S. government now appears to be turning against organizations like this.'' That FBI report, part of the files of former Iran-Contra Special Prosecutor Lawrence Walsh, was made public only last year, when it was released by the National Archives at the Mercury News' request. Blandon has also implied that his cocaine sales were, for a time, CIA-approved. He told a San Francisco federal grand jury in 1994 that once the FDN began receiving American taxpayer dollars, the CIA no longer needed his kind of help. ``When Mr. Reagan get in the power, we start receiving a lot of money,'' Blandon testified. ``And the people that was in charge, it was the CIA, so they didn't want to raise any (drug) money because they have, they had the money that they wanted.'' ``From the government?'' asked Assistant U.S. Attorney David Hall. ``Yes, for the Contra revolution,'' Blandon said. ``So we started -- you know, the ambitious person -- we started doing business by ourselves.'' Asked about that, prosecutor Hall said, ``I don't know what to tell you. The CIA won't tell me anything.'' None of the government agencies known to have been involved with Meneses and Blandon over the years would provide the Mercury News with any information about them. A Freedom of Information Act request filed with the CIA was denied on national security grounds. FOIA requests filed with the DEA were denied on privacy grounds. Requests filed months ago with the FBI, the State Department and the Immigration and Naturalization Service have produced nothing so far. None of the DEA officials known to have worked with the two men would talk to a reporter. Questions submitted to the DEA's public affairs office in Washington were never answered, despite repeated requests. Blandon's lawyer, Brunon, said in an interview that his client never told him directly that he was selling cocaine for the CIA, but the prominent Los Angeles defense attorney drew his own conclusions from the ``atmosphere of CIA and clandestine activities'' that surrounded Blandon and his Nicaraguan friends. ``Was he involved with the CIA? Probably. Was he involved with drugs? Most definitely,'' Brunon said. ``Were those two things involved with each other? They've never said that, obviously. They've never admitted that. But I don't know where these guys get these big aircraft . . .'' That very topic arose during the sensational 1992 cocaine trafficking trial of Meneses after Meneses was arrested in Nicaragua in connection with a staggering 750-kilo shipment of cocaine. His chief accuser was his friend Enrique Miranda, a relative and former Nicaraguan military intelligence officer who had been Meneses' emissary to the cocaine cartel of Bogota, Colombia. Miranda pleaded guilty to drug charges and agreed to cooperate in exchange for a seven-year sentence. In a long, handwritten statement he read to Meneses' jury, Miranda revealed the deepest secrets of the Meneses drug ring, earning his old boss a 30-year prison sentence in the process. ``He (Norwin) and his brother Luis Enrique had financed the Contra revolution with the benefits of the cocaine they sold,'' Miranda wrote. ``This operation, as Norwin told me, was executed with the collaboration of high-ranking Salvadoran military personnel. They met with officials of the Salvadoran air force, who flew (planes) to Colombia and then left for the U.S., bound for an Air Force base in Texas, as he told me.'' Meneses -- who has close personal and business ties to a Salvadoran air force commander and former CIA agent named Marcos Aguado -- declined to discuss Miranda's statements during an interview at a prison outside Managua in January. He is scheduled to be paroled this summer, after nearly five years in custody. U.S. General Accounting Office records confirm that El Salvador's air force was supplying the CIA's Nicaraguan guerrillas with aircraft and flight support services throughout the mid-1980s. Miranda did not name the Air Force base in Texas where the FDN's cocaine was purportedly flown. The same day the Mercury News requested official permission to interview Miranda, he disappeared. While out on a routine weekend furlough, Miranda failed to return to the Nicaraguan jail where he'd been living since 1992. Though his jailers, who described him as a model prisoner, claimed Miranda had escaped, they didn't call the police until a Mercury News correspondent showed up and discovered he was gone. He has not been seen in nearly a year. Additional reporting for this series in Nicaragua and Costa Rica was done by Managua journalist Georg Hodel. Research assistance at the Nicaraguan Supreme Court in Managua was done by journalist Leonore Delgado. This material is copyrighted and may not be republished without permission of the originating newspaper or wire service. NewsHound is a service of the San Jose Mercury News. For more information call 1-888-344-6863. -- "Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies, The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis, _God in the Dock_ +---------------------+--------------------+----------------------------------+ |Julian Assange RSO | PO Box 2031 BARKER | Secret Analytic Guy Union | |proff(a)suburbia.net | VIC 3122 AUSTRALIA | finger for PGP key hash ID = | |proff(a)gnu.ai.mit.edu | FAX +61-3-98199066 | 0619737CCC143F6DEA73E27378933690 | +---------------------+--------------------+----------------------------------+

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Re: Naked woman decapitates man on Internet!!!
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Or About 19 Aug 96, 20:37, Timothy C. May wrote: > At 2:00 AM 8/20/96, Lucky Green wrote: > >On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Mark O. Aldrich wrote: > > > >> On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Rich Graves wrote: > >> > >> http://www.grotesque.com/ > >That was intense... > > But not as intense as it could be with Internet video! > > --Tim May Sick, stuff. Yet everyone has to sneek a peek, just like a car crash. Hey, I did. I made the whole trip through the lurid pages. Ross =========== Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

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Re: [RANT] Death of Usenet: Film at 11
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:34 PM 8/19/96 -0700, Mike Duvos wrote: >The alternative to doing something reasonable like this is >probably to see mass migration from "banned newsgroups" to >off-topic groups, like Lolita pictures in rec.pets.cats, when the >inevitable crackdown comes. Or, perhaps, rec.humbert.humbert.humbert.humbert.humbert.humbert B^) (2x3=6) Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: "Utilization Review"
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:58 PM 8/19/96 -0700, Rich Graves wrote: >On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Bill Frantz wrote: >> Perhaps, within our current social order, medical savings plans >> are the best option on the table. > >What alternative social orders can you envision that would handle this >problem elegantly? I can't think of any off the top of my head. Well, under Cryptoanarchy the whole problem disappears. Your medical records are handled as per your contract with your doctor. There are no 3rd party payers who have a stake. With no taxes, the deduction for medical savings plans disappears and with it the principle reason for them. (People would still need to save for medical costs.) >Medical savings plans do not work for anyone but the extremely rich and >healthy, because few normal people can self-insure to cover the risk. The risk of catastrophic illness is indeed significant, but statistically rare. If we assume people will insure for it, and insurance companies still have access to the records of the care they pay for, then we are still better off than we are today with all care being paid by insurance companies. In this scenario, routine medical care is being paid by the patient, and the records can be private between the patient and the doctor. This kind of system would prevent the general availability of information such as whether a patient had a vasectomy. Note that in the general case, people are healthy in their youth, and can build up savings for when health problems develop with age. TANSTAAFL. On the average, everyone has to pay the cost of their medical care. >There's also the little matter of letting your doctor know your medical >history. I have no problem letting my doctor know my medical history protected by doctor-patient confidentiality. It's the insurance company/human resources department/government access I worry about. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Cave ab homine unius lebri | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | [Beware the man of one | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | book] - Anonymous Latin | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Netscape 3.0 and encryption choices
by Ted Cabeen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In Netscape 3.0, the program allows the user to specify which encryption standards to allow connections with. It allows encryption with 128-bit RC4, 128-bit RC2, and 156-bit(I think)3DES. Of these three, which would be the most secure method? It is possible to restrict all secure connects to be of 3DES only for example. What would be the most secure way to go, DES or RC4? this is the newly released US-Only downloadable copy of Netscape 3.0 -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Ted Cabeen http://shadowland.rh.uchicago.edu cabeen(a)netcom.com Check Website or finger for PGP Public Key secabeen(a)midway.uchicago.edu "I have taken all knowledge to be my province." -F. Bacon cococabeen(a)aol.com "Human kind cannot bear very much reality."-T.S.Eliot 73126.626(a)compuserve.com

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Re: CS First Boston lawsuit
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:03 PM 8/19/96 -0400, Black Unicorn wrote: >On Sun, 18 Aug 1996, Timothy C. May wrote: > >> At 3:29 AM 8/19/96, Alan Horowitz wrote: >> >I suspect they are trying to get a judgement against "John Doe", in the >> >hopes of tracking him down later. >> > >> >Actually, if I had a sizeable judgement against such a John Doe, I could >> >probably find a private detective who would find the dude for a >> >contingent fee. Wow, a whole new class of factoring (commerce definition) >> >opens up. Get me a lawyer.... Sure, there are collection people who do this regularly; it's also possible to sell judgements for a fraction of their face value. >> Lawyers out there can and should correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't >> believe either the criminal or civil justice system has the concept of a >> "John Doe" trial! The ability to have the advice of an attorney, to >> confront one's accusers, cross-examine witnesses, and mount a defense, and >> all that constitutional stuff. Rather hard to do if the trial is in the >> past tense. >> >> Can you cite an example of such a "John Doe" trial in the U.S.? > >Not exactly, but judgements against John Doe's or even "$956,334.34" are >common. Typically they are default judgements where a property seizure is >involved. > >"The United States of America v. $534,444.00" and "The United States of >AMerica v. One Red Porsche" is a common theme. It is possible to name unknown defendants in a suit - the tradition is to name them as, literally, "John Doe" or "John Does 1-6, unknown Washington County Sheriff's Deputies". The idea is that at some point prior to trial you'll learn the names of the defendants and then ask the court for permission to amend your complaint to add the newly found names. (e.g., Oregon Rule of Civil Procedure 20(H): "Fictitious Parties. When a party is ignorant of the name of an opposing party and so alleges in a pleading, the opposing party may be designated by any name, and when such party's true name is discovered, the process and all pleadings and proceedings in the action may be amended by substituting the true name.") But naming someone in a suit is not sufficient to give them notice that they've been sued, so that they know to file an answer and otherwise defend themselves. At least in Oregon (state & Fed courts, since Fed courts borrow the state's rules for service of process, Fed Rul Civ Pro 4(e)(1)), service by publication (as mentioned in another message) is only allowed where the plaintiff files an affidavit that they have tried every other appropriate means of service and they have been unsuccessful, or that they have reason to know it will be unsuccessful. ORCP 7(D)(7). Service by publication is relatively rare. So Tim's correct (at least as far as I know, and I sure don't know everything) when he says that John Doe *trials* are essentially unknown - because if defendant(s) don't appear for trial but have been served, the plaintiff can get a default judgement against them - which makes a trial unnecessary, at least for those defendants. It's also possible (sometimes) for a defendant to overturn a default judgement and ask for a real trial, if they can show that there was a good reason why they didn't respond initially. Bad (or unattempted) service of process is usually a good reason. The John Doe lawsuits are more likely to falter at the service-of-process stage; before you get to ask for a default judgment, you've got to prove that the defendant was served. And if you don't even know their name, it's tough to serve them with the summons & complaint. No service, no judgement. The connection between the service-of-process problem and the in rem cases Black Unicorn mentioned (e.g., "United States v. $405,089.23") is that the owner of the property is supposedly put on notice by the seizure or attachment of the property itself. A court can exercise jurisdiction over *stuff* (e.g., property) and enter a judgement against the stuff even if it hasn't gained jurisdiction (via service of process) over the person who owns the stuff. In the most common seizures, the stuff is seized from one or more people; those people are also given notice of the seizure and their right to contest it. (which is not to say that I'm a fan of forfeiture - I'm not - but the cases I've seen/worked on haven't suggested that lack of notice is a problem. Claimants/owners/possessors don't always understand the notice they're given at seizure, and they don't always bother to act within the awfully short deadlines (10-15 days, in some cases) required to file a claim. But people do get (arguably inadequate) notice.) To some extent, in rem jurisdiction is practically necessary - otherwise it'd be possible to have property in a wrong place, or creating unwanted/harmful effects, which could not be legally moved or changed without service of process on the owner - who may be dead or travelling or uninterested or just hard to find. If cryptoanarchy becomes more prevalent, and it becomes more difficult to trace ownership and control of interesting stuff (e.g., physical or intellectual property, and/or "bots" of one flavor or another), look for more in rem actions, not fewer. (I can't think of an example of a John Doe criminal proceeding, except that I believe grand juries can hear testimony and investigate crimes where a target has not yet been identified. But that's a very early stage of criminal proceedings where the defendant doesn't have many rights even if they are identified; so the lack of notice isn't much of an injury.) -- Greg Broiles |"Post-rotational nystagmus was the subject of gbroiles(a)netbox.com |an in-court demonstration by the People http://www.io.com/~gbroiles |wherein Sgt Page was spun around by Sgt |Studdard." People v. Quinn 580 NYS2d 818,825.

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AZ DMV: Citizenship to Drive? (fwd)
by Brad Dolan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Your papers, please? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 21:04:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Witanek <bwitanek(a)igc.apc.org> To: Recipients of pol-abuse <pol-abuse(a)igc.apc.org> Subject: AZ DMV: Citizenship to Drive? Posted: gdiazj(a)IMAP1.ASU.EDU Today the Arizona Department of Motor Vehicles began requiring proof of citizenship before issuing a drivers license or a state identification. This policy was established by HB 2154 which passed this last session (this one slipped passed me). I am helping organize people in Arizona to oppose this. Please send your information ASAP, we need you your help. VIVA LA RAZA George Diaz, Jr. gdiazj(a)imap1.asu.edu GDIAZJ(a)aol.com gdiaz(a)ci.phoenix.az.us

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Re: AZ DMV: Citizenship to Drive? (fwd)
by Stephen Cobb 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:37 AM 8/20/96 -0400, you wrote: >Your papers, please? > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 21:04:07 -0700 (PDT) >From: Bob Witanek <bwitanek(a)igc.apc.org> >To: Recipients of pol-abuse <pol-abuse(a)igc.apc.org> >Subject: AZ DMV: Citizenship to Drive? > >Posted: gdiazj(a)IMAP1.ASU.EDU > >Today the Arizona Department of Motor Vehicles began requiring >proof of citizenship before issuing a drivers license or a state >identification. This policy was established by HB 2154 which passed >this last session (this one slipped passed me). > >I am helping organize people in Arizona to oppose this. Please >send your information ASAP, we need you your help. > >VIVA LA RAZA >George Diaz, Jr. >gdiazj(a)imap1.asu.edu >GDIAZJ(a)aol.com >gdiaz(a)ci.phoenix.az.us > Not quite sure what this has to do with crypto, but here goes: As with the recent federal legislation denying soc sec benefits to LEGAL aliens who are required by law to pay into the system and can by law be required to serve in the US armed forces, this appears to my untrained eye to be yet another case of isolationist paranoia...I am sure this one violates international agreements that the US has made concerning reciprocal accodomations as far as driving is concerned. I used to be a tax-paying soc sec paying legal alien, but I got so fed up with head-in-the-dirt hicks who thought you had to be a citizen to breathe the prairie dust that I became a citizen for an easier life (and I mean some of these ignorant fools were sons of immigrants who voted agianst the US fighting Hitler!!!!). Because I still talk with something of a foreign accent I still get uneducated idiots, who couldn't pass the test they make foreigners take, lecturing me on what I cannot do because I am a foreigner. The only thing I can't do is run for President. I despair of backwater state legislators, I really do. What to do about this particular problem? Check out the rules on International drivers licenses. I know can drive on them for a year...If you are not allowed a drivers license because you are an alien, maybe you don't need their stinking licenses. Stephen

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Re: Hackers invade DOJ web site
by Lynne L. Harrison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:08 PM 8/19/96 -0500, Igor Chudov wrote: > >I personally find the web page very well and artistically done, and >extremely funny. The guy who did it had a good taste. I personally found the page to be offensive and disagree highly with the person having "good taste". Following the premise that another posted to this list, there were ways of focusing on opposing the CDA without insulting women and/or minorities. I also agree that this act is going to backfire by giving the DOJ fodder when the case reaches the Supreme Court. IMO, it was patently obvious that it was a kid or kids that did it who gave no substantial thought on the consequences of his/their act. ************************************************************ Lynne L. Harrison, Esq. | "The key to life: Poughkeepsie, New York | - Get up; lharrison(a)mhv.net | - Survive; http://www.dueprocess.com | - Go to bed." ************************************************************ DISCLAIMER: I am not your attorney; you are not my client. Accordingly, the above is *NOT* legal advice.

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128-bit IE3.0 adventures
by David.K.Merriman＠toad.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com, webmaster(a)microsoft.com Date: Tue Aug 20 09:42:56 1996 I *finally* managed to get through to the 1-800 number that pops up when an attempted download of 128-bit MSIE 3.0 fails. They can only send out 128-bit version *2.0*, it seems. They referred me to the 1-800 Sales number, but of course, the sales droids weren't savvy enough to understand the problem, and tried to hand me off to a 206 area code number. At that point, I called off the drill - I'm not going to pay for a toll call to fix MS's screwup. "original" 800 number: 1-800-455-2959 Alternate 800 number: 1-800-426-9400 (autobot) - select 3, then 4, then 1 to get a Real Person. Anyone else upset about being denied might want to give them a call, too. Who knows, maybe if they get enough calls, they'll send someone to fix it. Dave - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- PGP Email welcome, encouraged, and PREFERRED. Visit my web site at http://www.shellback.com/p/merriman for my PGP key and fingerprint "What is the sound of one hand clapping in a forest with no one there to hear it?" I use Pronto Secure (tm) PGP-fluent Email software for Windows -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMhkYK8VrTvyYOzAZAQE0SgQApRBedkueeR2JTAJknfA7JGER/oNReVUK i8ImmNzjQDeionIkMbV2CuGOE/DwblVQ2yDgnUIBteNAFeiebwzdxaw9ysRKshRY 5AuvmXCyVsFJMNICFlZwNTRH+x4h7EPqA5BPxXJb+3b0sxWxqFcnU8QocJlFq+ap ksb0mwgbVYc= =L3IC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Indonesia detains democracy activist after post to mailing list (fwd)
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:18 PM 8/19/96 -0700, Rich Graves wrote: > You know, Amnesty > has some outstanding policies regarding accuracy, objectivity, and > universality. Such as their policy that disappearances in Cuba are only mentioned in a vague and euphemistic way somewhere in the fine print of the middle of their Cuban reports, whereas similar disappearances are shouted from the rooftops when they happen in right wing South American dictatorships? --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: [NOISE] Naked woman decrapitates man on Internet!!!
by Remo Pini 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Tue Aug 20 16:55:54 1996 > Seven billion (thousand million for you Brits) people in the world. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Actually everybody uses billion as 10^12 (except Americans -> 10^9). ;-) America is getting more and more of an island... ;-) - ------< fate favors the prepared mind >------ Remo Pini rp(a)rpini.com PGP: http://www.rpini.com/crypto/crypto.html - ----< words are what reality is made of >---- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMhnR+xFhy5sz+bTpAQFAvggAwnWNgUTs0vpnwtK34AJjictQlLOZrhYl ANY8xoZ3cLKlcLZmLIo2m+N9QOrO9Bdp4Q1op1KTa9BUUDH0vl5rZak5C/L/+TKw EDp2N143ANWGrz5xd3BgFd/ly8VEPwVGQc85yjW6noRIl+5GUHaYKtNPGzr0V6oU d83igcL3/zU9GGwT6l1r7o/U/+cjy6Poui2IZYlVqy564kE2s71ztlVH687ZAHaF ZTRdkLZqi56AjI1g684zKik0qQ98SdQpHqz1CpzT6BuDS954bk3gip95Znu4PtYu vSEDTsTNf05jNqpjDHTLtPSSELgjNmA07Sb8PLlqJOWLcWVmYQP3Eg== =8mhr -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: [NOISE] Naked woman decrapitates man on Internet!!!
by jbugden＠smtplink.alis.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

tcmay(a)got.net (Timothy C. May) wrote: >Seven billion (thousand million for you Brits) people in the world. More >than 10,000 deaths every hour, or about 5 deaths per second. >What's so sick about one measly death? Just another crime, like >thousands of others every day. They just got caught. At least he's >immortalized on the Net. Only 24 hours in each day. How do you spend your time? James Spray my name on a subway train Carve my name in a video game Out looking for the camera crew Sell my soul for a second on the six-o'clock news Gonna live 'til the bubble pops Hold my breath when the big one drops Immortality is what I'm buying But I'd rather be immortal by not dying.

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Securing Internet mail at the MTA level
by C Matthew Curtin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Recently, I've been looking into securing email at the MTA level, and would like to get your thoughts on implementation possibilities and related issues. The problems that I'm trying to solve are: 1. Host authentication 2. Data privacy In order for the widespread encryption to work, several things need to occur: 1. Phase-in of the new stuff 2. Backward compatibility (ability to continue to work in the clear) for a period of years 3. A single worldwide mechanism, defined by an RFC, and freely available, except, perhaps, in the case of commercial MTAs. (i.e., the use of RSA seems appropriate for host and session key management, and is free via RSAREF in the US, free outside of the US, but not free for commercial use. This seems acceptable to me.) Two types of approaches are possible: 1. Adding to the SMTP protocol itself, allowing for MTAs to identify crypto-capable peers, and then performing authentication and session encryption where possible. 2. Waiting for a cryptographic transport layer network protocol (such as what is being proposed in draft-ietf-tls-ssh-00), allowing SMTP to remain untouched, and only requiring MTAs to add support for the new network protocol. I like the second approach better, because it allows more problems to be solved with one move, and it would be easier to add crypto functionality to our common network utilities by simply making them aware of the new transport layer protocol. The first approach would require redefinitions of RFCs for each of the services, and lots of redundant work. I mentioned my interest in an SSH-capable MTA to Tatu Ylonen <ylo(a)ssh.fi>, and he as also expressed interest. The word from him on the status of the SSH Internet Draft is that a reference implementation should be available early next month. I'm considering using that reference implementation to add SSH capability to an MTA, perhaps sendmail. My questions are: 1. Which of the two approaches seems to make the most sense to you? 2. Is there another approach that could work better? 3. Is there interest in adding SSH functionality to sendmail in the near future (either by the draft spec, or once the RFC has been published)? Please feel free to pass this around, if you deem appropriate. I'm interested in lots of feedback before deciding if and how to go ahead with the project. Thanks. -- C Matthew Curtin MEGASOFT, LLC Director, Security Architecture I speak only for myself. Don't whine to anyone but me about anything I say. Hacker Security Firewall Crypto PGP Privacy Unix Perl Java Internet Intranet cmcurtin(a)research.megasoft.com http://research.megasoft.com/people/cmcurtin/

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Re: BlackNet: Commercial Posts?
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Or About 19 Aug 96, 18:40, Timothy C. May wrote: > At 1:05 PM 8/19/96, Ross Wright wrote: > > > >My question to the list: > > > >Who benefits from all this publicity and brew-ha-ha? Who makes all > >the BlackNet money? Who really cares if it is a Data Haven or just > >a remailer? I'm just asking. > > Well, obviously I do. I receive $1.42 for every posting which > mentions BlackNet, 7% of gross sales for all commercial > transactions, and 12.5% plus a sliding finder's fee for all military > and intelligence secrets sold via BlackNet. > > But all true paranoiacs knew this. > > --Aldrich Ames > Hey, It's not funny. So this is freeware? I thought someone offered 3 mil for the program. Tim, you wrote this thing? So who owns it now? Can it be owned? Maybe I misunderstand. Ross =========== Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

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[NOISE] other distributed searches
by morgan＠keilin.helsinki.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Two distributed searches on the net are described in Science (9 August 1996 p. 743). One is a search for "Mersenne" prime numbers: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/justforfun/prime.htm The other is called SETI@home and apparently going to use idle time on people's computers (a screen saver) to search for patterns in data from Arecibo. The report says the project will be set up by Woody Sullivan of University of Washington, Seattle and will operate out of a server in Berkeley. (I wasn't able to locate any information about this on the web.) -- ===================================================================== Joel.Morgan(a)Helsinki.FI http://blues.helsinki.fi/~morgan "Over the mountains there are mountains." -- Chang-rae Lee =====================================================================

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Re: US Taxes on X-Pats (getting off topic)
by Stephen Cobb 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:32 PM 8/19/96 -0400, you wrote: >It sounds unfair, for sure. However, the whole thing is a fraud based >upon a myth. FICA witholding is NOT credited to an individual's account, >or even to Social Security benefits in general. By statutory law, all >such receipts go into the Treasury's general fund. > >So, they are NOT "social security contributions". Period. > Very true...what I am saying is that, as far as my reading goes, LEGAL aliens are going to be required to pay social security "taxes" while not having any "entitlement" in return. They pay income taxes and get certain things, like law and order, in return. They will be paying soc sec money to the government without getting anything in return. This sounds not only unfair but wrong, part of an isolationist, "we killed the natives so this land is our land and the rest of you f@*k-off" revival that includes the recent posting about requiring proof of citizenship before issuing drivers licenses. Stephen

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ok ok ok i know
by Ryan M. Leach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

sorry to bother the list with this but i lost the message describing the "unsubscribing" methods for this list (it's way to big for me) can some one mail me instr. on unsubscribing? TIA

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Re: Taxes on Internet access prediction
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:07 AM 8/20/96, Mike McNally wrote: >States and municipalities are taxing internet access. Who wants to >make a prediction about if/when the IRS will start to count net access >as a taxable fringe benefit of employment? > >(At a small company where I once worked, a tax accountant visiting >one day noticed that we had a weight bench set up in a back corner of >the big "back room". He advised us to be careful, because the IRS >could count that as a taxable employee benefit.) I think the test of whether something is a "perq" (or is it "perk"?), and thus possibly taxable to the employee, is whether it is outside the normal bounds of work. Thus, one's office cubicle, computer, office supplies, etc., are not taxable fringe benefits. Membership in a country club is, though. Net access, if primarily used for work-related things, would not be. Just as company phone calls are not treated as a fringe benefit for the employees making the phone calls. Or business trips. And so on. At least one community has tried to treat _parking places_ (and I don't mean special, tree-shaded, reserved, V.I.P. parking places) as taxable benefits. This is to try to get more people to car-pool, or telecommute, or somesuch. Howls of protest pretty much drove this idea back into the hole from whence it came. Many of my Intel friends have Net accounts, obviously, and yet the number of posts on the Usenet or elsewhere from "*.intel.com" are relatively low. I asked a couple of friends of mine about this, and they confirmed that Intel management has discouraged public postings and comments from *.intel.com domain accounts. Understandable, for reasons I have discussed many times. Many employees of companies find it easier to purchase their own account from Netcom, Earthlink, Best, etc., and so have a Net name unaffiliated with their employer. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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