December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: [RANT] Giving Mind Control Drugs to Children
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:14 PM 7/7/96, Simon Spero wrote: >On Sat, 6 Jul 1996, Timothy C. May wrote: >> >> When the mother (a single mother, as this is California) drops her son off >> with my friend (also single, of course), she includes several "Ritalin" >> capsules with instructions on how to dose her son with this >> depressant/behavior modification drug. > >Er... Tim... Ritalin is an amphetamine. Whatever. It acts as a calmant/tranquilizer/depressant on many. (As with many drugs, there are apparently paradoxical effects. Alcohol is a downer for some, and upper for others.) --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: [RANT] Giving Mind Control Drugs to Children
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:06 PM 7/7/96, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: >Simon Spero <ses(a)tipper.oit.unc.edu> writes: >> Er... Tim... Ritalin is an amphetamine. > >Yes, it's an _anti-depressant, supposedly turning up those pieces of the brain >responsible for "tuning out" outside interference, and letting the hyperactive >kid concentrate. But a true cypherpunk never lets any facts interfere with his >political agenda. Vulis, time to put you back in my killfile. Gratuitous insults, especially those not based on important factual points, is your standard mode. (As Sandy S. also noted, Ritalin has "paradoxical" effects. (I saw Sandy's remark after sending off my reply to Simon.)) I've _seen_ the kid on Ritalin, and he's zombie. When it wears off, he's back to being alert and active. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: NYT/CyberTimes on CWD article
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 6 Jul 96 at 16:56, eli+(a)gs160.sp.cs.cmu.edu wrote: > >http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/week/0706patrol-reporters.html > > "If we believe the encryption scheme has > > been compromised, we will make another > > one." [..] > They have to give you the list, and they have to give you software > that uses it, so there's no way to achieve complete secrecy. I think > the best they can do is to distribute a list of hashed URLs. What? After they paid for the rights to use "Infinite Vigniere Key" Technology.... I'm surprised that they went so far as to try to encrypt the naughty URLs list (but some kids would get off on just reading the list alone anyway). Hashing could be problematic... how to differentiate between a site and it's users. www.pornopix.com is obvious, but the directory tree of www.localisp.com/~perv/mypix/ is harder to filter out with hashing if subdirectories or specific images are called up, unless the software has a way to differentiate between sites and specific users or directories on those sites. (I wonder if the software can tell that ~perv/ and /users/home/perv/ or /home/perv/ can be the same directory on some systems? That would be an interesting flaw. Has anyone hacked with the software?) Another problematic with Net-Nurse type software: a database of naughty sites and naughty users... a real goldmine for prosecutors. Rob. --- No-frills sig. Befriend my mail filter by sending a message with the subject "send help" Key-ID: 5D3F2E99 1996/04/22 wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com (root@magneto) AB1F4831 1993/05/10 Deranged Mutant <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key.

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Oh no! No ratings again... (Re: Need PGP-awareness in common uti
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 6 Jul 96 at 23:16, bryce(a)digicash.com wrote: > If you have a moderation bot for a Usenet group (and could it be > pressed into service as a mailing list handler I wonder?), this > would be a nice tool to start with in order to implement > full-fledged content/author ratings. [..] Bad idea unless the list is rating authors who are not on the list. It would be equivalent to setting up a reputation web. Or is this a stab at humor? Rob. --- No-frills sig. Befriend my mail filter by sending a message with the subject "send help" Key-ID: 5D3F2E99 1996/04/22 wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com (root@magneto) AB1F4831 1993/05/10 Deranged Mutant <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key.

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Re: Need PGP-awareness in common utilities
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 6 Jul 96 at 23:56, bryce(a)digicash.com wrote: [..] > Hm. That might be an interesting addition to my plan, but the > first step is to generate ratings and to consume them at each > individual's mail-handling site. So I, for example, would run a > script every time I received mail (or every hour, or every day, > etc) which looked for ratings certificates, PGP-verified them, > and saved the rating in a database. Then I would run another > script (every time I received mail, or every hour, etc.) which > identified incoming messages and _did_ something to them if > there were sufficient ratings in the database to merit _doing_ > something to them (e.g. delete, promote to a "well-rated" > folder, demote to a "poorly-rated" folder, forward to my > friends, forward to my enemies, etc.). Some lists require plenty of time to read each day (let alone if I go on a vacation for a few days and want to catch up). Managing a rating system would double the work if I were to do it by hand-rating the raters, etc. It's easier to put certain people or subject threads in a twit-list folder and delete the rest by hand rather than put twice that effort into a rating system... chances are most people who quickly tire of maintaining it, let the rating system run on autopilot and then disable it when they realize they missed something really important or interesting. Rob. --- No-frills sig. Befriend my mail filter by sending a message with the subject "send help" Key-ID: 5D3F2E99 1996/04/22 wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com (root@magneto) AB1F4831 1993/05/10 Deranged Mutant <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key.

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Wiretapping Rises EYE_son
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Wash Post today has page one lead story on the sharp rise in wiretapping by the Clinton administration. Former restraints due to high cost have been overcome with more money and more efficeint technology, eagerly supported by a bipartisan Congress and grateful LEA and DoJ cartelest conspiracists. And, there is a lengthy Op-Ed on the "growing stealth slice of the shrinking defense pie." Lots and lots of secrets, can't get enough of them, can't tell the public what they are, about real and imaginary terrorists and anti-terrorists -- and bypass the private citizens that threaten budgets and jobs and inner sanctum privileges. See at: http://www.washingtonpost.com No Web access? Or hate snooping newspapers, and spies traffic-analyzing? Send us via Ross Anderson's true anonymizer end-to-end encrypted spize-only top secret E-mail with the subject: EYE_son

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Re: [RANT] Giving Mind Control Drugs to Children
by minow＠apple.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Simon Spero comments on Tim May's Ritalin rant: >On Sat, 6 Jul 1996, Timothy C. May wrote: >> >> When the mother (a single mother, as this is California) drops her son off >> with my friend (also single, of course), she includes several "Ritalin" >> capsules with instructions on how to dose her son with this >> depressant/behavior modification drug. > >Er... Tim... Ritalin is an amphetamine. > Yup, and it was the illegal drug of choice in Sweden in the 1960's, making its use as a convenient way to quiet down rambuncious kids a bit strange -- but the "medical professionals" have an explanation. Interestingly, it is illegal to hit kids in Sweden -- the courts call it assault, just as if you hit an adult. When I lived there (in the '60 and '70s), I took an informal survey and found only one person who had ever been spanked as a child -- and only once, for breaking her brother's violin. A good friend would infrequently give her infant a pat on the bottom (when he tried climbing on the stove), but was always careful to aim for the well-padded diaper. You may wish to consider whether Sweden's low murder rate is related to the lack of parent-child violence. Martin Minow minow(a)apple.com

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Re: [RANT] Giving Mind Control Drugs to Children
by Michael Myers 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:25 AM 7/7/96 -0700, Sandy Sandfort <sandfort(a)crl.com> wrote: >Yes, normally, but doesn't it have a paradoxical reaction for >hyperactive children (i.e., it acts as a depressant for them)? As one of those "ADD" kids back in the '70's, the dextroamphetamine I was given actually did seem to calm me down. Of course, coffee also put me to sleep then. Happily, that situation has reversed itself as I've grown older. *grin* -- /^^^^^^^^^Instead of being born again, why not just GROW UP?^^^^^^^^^^^\ Michael Myers Vote Libertarian....you'll sleep better! Don't like abortion? Don't have one. Don't like guns? Don't buy one. blackavr(a)aa.net E-mail for PGPv2.6.2 public key \____________ http://www.aa.net/~blackavr/homepage.htm ________________/

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Re: [RANT] Giving Mind Control Drugs to Children
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 6:33 PM 7/7/96, AwakenToMe(a)aol.com wrote: >Did I miss something?? I fisrt came here and asked something about protected >mode and was yelled at for asking it in this newsgroup. Now we're onto mind >control drugs? >uhhhhhh ok. I did not yell at you. Bear in mind that there are many subscribers, with many views of what is interesting and what is important to talk about. There are only so many times that a particular thread can be talked about meaningfully, and some of the more crypto-related threads (which no one is stopping anyone from starting!) have covered the same ground through dozens of cycles. Thus, while "Where can I get SFS to encrypt my hard drive?," as an example, may _seem_ to be list-relevant than discussions of Ritalin and the use of it in public schools for behavior modification, I think the former thread is "tired," and generates little response, where the latter thread has obviously generated a lot of responses. This speaks for itself, as I see it. But, then, I view the list as partly a social community of reasonably like-minded folks, with a shared interest in several obvious things, and not just a place to discuss C++ code or where to find SFS and PGP. Personally, I'm just as glad the list is not a clone of Libernet or Commienet, but most political threads die out quickly enough. The "Ritalin" thread will die out eventually, In the meantime, it appears to interest quite a few people, and some readers may not have previously known that the public schools are sending out the message of "Just say "No!" to drugs!" while simultaneously using mind-control drugs to dose kids into submission. Sort of like the Feds calling for strict controls on privacy technology while freely passing around confidential FBI dossiers of their political enemies. The foxes guarding the henhouses. All of these examples are useful for our agenda. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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DEA Intercepts
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Would anyone know more about the DEA "process the intercepts by computer" in the excerpt below from today's Wash Post? Any connection to Peter Neuman's remarks at the CRISIS press conference about LEA training and technology as alternatives to breaking strong crypto? This new funding has been a factor in making possible increased use of electronic surveillance. Federal wiretaps cost more than $70,000 a month to operate and generate hundreds of hours of labor for monitors, transcribers, surveillance teams and investigators. Larger budgets mean cost is less of an obstacle. Building for the future, the DEA is carrying out a $33 million program to replace single-line wiretapping gear with new equipment that can monitor 40 lines simultaneously and process the intercepts by computer. The FBI is plowing millions into developing new intercept techniques for digital lines and expanding its cadre of agents who use the bureau's high tech surveillance gear. "I don't think J. Edgar Hoover would contemplate what we can do today in terms of technology," Reno testified during a Senate hearing in May. The total number of federal wiretaps is just one measure of the rise in federal surveillance. The build-up also is evident in the increased use of electronic devices that record the numbers dialed by a target telephone, and the origin of calls to it. These devices allow agents to identify a person's associates. Beginning in 1993, Justice agencies began using the court-authorized monitors more often and leaving them installed for longer periods of time, according to a Justice Department report.

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Style gettting in the way of clear reporting
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:28 PM 7/7/96, Raph Levien wrote: >Declan McCullagh wrote: >> >> "We are writers, not crytographers." >> >> -Declan > > Well done. Very well done. I'm not sure why Brock is constructing >this hard-drinking bad-boy persona (perhaps he's trying to become the >Trent Reznor of crypto journalism), but the piece was great. I found it unreadable. No doubt some fine reporting, but the "faux Chandler" touches made it unreadable for me. "The last gin joint in cyberspace, and I had to to be the one to break it the babe, a thirty-two bit floozy with gams as long as, well, let's just say they made me forget about the Feds waiting to send me up the river for the long one..." With no _personal_ criticism of either Brock or Declan, I find that most modern cyberspace journalism--much more so than the mainstream press--is this kind of "performance piece" stuff, where pastiches of Chandler, Hunter S. Thompson, Jack Kerouac, and all the like are lathered all over the articles. The clearest and most extreme examples of this trend are the columns by Spencer S. Katt, Robert X. Cringely, and the other rumor-mongers of the trade weeklies, where a few morsels of actual reporting are buried in vast amounts of phony stuff. Such as endless crap about "Pammy," a dingbat--and utterly fictional--Valley Girl who one of these columnists uses to pads his columns with. This New Journalism kind of stuff is also rampant in "Wired." I suppose some people like it. I call them easily impressed. Or as Raymond S. might put it, "She was the kind of dame impressed by a paint by numbers Mona Lisa." Sadly, simple expository prose must be considered to be too boring, too banal. (Actually, were only a few writers doing this, it might be mildy tolerable. Speaking for myself, that is. But so _many_ "cyberspace journalists" are doing bad pastiches of famous stylists that the reportage is being lost in the noise. "A screaming comes across the screen." Wake up, Brock and Declan! And all the other too clever by half New Journalists. I'd like to read some of your stuff, not hit the delete key as soon as see the style-laden ersatz Chandler larding up the article. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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EYE_son
by David K. Merriman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: DEA Intercepts
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:19 PM 7/7/96, John Young wrote: >Would anyone know more about the DEA "process the intercepts by computer" >in the excerpt below from today's Wash Post? Any connection to Peter >Neuman's remarks at the CRISIS press conference about LEA training and >technology as alternatives to breaking strong crypto? > and process the intercepts by computer. The FBI is plowing > millions into developing new intercept techniques for > digital lines and expanding its cadre of agents who use the > bureau's high tech surveillance gear. I have no way of knowing (and I doubt anybody knows and can also speak publically about it), but my informed speculation would be that the FBI is continuing its cooperation with the NSA (as noted by Ken Bass at last week's SAFE forum) and is using COMINT processing gear and programs developed at the Agency. It has been widely reported, from Bamford on, that much of the Agency's computer power is devoted to keyword analysis from audio intercepts. While computer translation programs may not have progressed much beyond "The vodka is strong, but the meat is rotten" stage, it is quite reasonable to assume that computers can mark for later analysis vast amounts of audio surveillance material, based on words said, voiceprints of known targets, etc. The trend of the next few decades is likely to be the turning of the government's Big Ears and Big Eyes on its _real enemies_, namely, the people. > "I don't think J. Edgar Hoover would contemplate what we > can do today in terms of technology," Reno testified during > a Senate hearing in May. Actually, I think Hoover could well imagine the capabilities. Minaret and such programs were in place while he was alive, and his use of confidential dossiers as an instrument of power predated the current use by the Clintons by several decades. > The total number of federal wiretaps is just one measure of > the rise in federal surveillance. The build-up also is > evident in the increased use of electronic devices that > record the numbers dialed by a target telephone, and the > origin of calls to it. > > These devices allow agents to identify a person's > associates. Beginning in 1993, Justice agencies began using > the court-authorized monitors more often and leaving them > installed for longer periods of time, according to a > Justice Department report. Needless to say, key escrow is quite useful in compiling contact lists. A virtual pen register, as it were. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: [RANT] Giving Mind Control Drugs to Children
by AwakenToMe＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim, You have a very good point about what goes on in this thread. I wasnt speaking about you yelling at me.. some of the members decided to write me 'personal' memos..one idiot being 'AOL SUCKS KILL ALL AOL SUCKS' or some stupid idiotic undereducated statement like that. Thanks for the response though..it was appreciated. :) Adam

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Re: Style gettting in the way of clear reporting
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Believe it or not, this has some very slight cypherpunk relevance. (Gasp) At 10:06 PM 7/7/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: > Sadly, simple expository prose must be considered to be too boring, too banal. > > (Actually, were only a few writers doing this, it might be mildy tolerable. > Speaking for myself, that is. But so _many_ "cyberspace journalists" are > doing bad pastiches of famous stylists that the reportage is being lost in > the noise. When news media were concentrated into fewer and fewer hands during the twentieth century, the appearance of neutrality, objectivity, and authoritativeness became a major selling point, and so media adopted a tone and manner of neutrality, with an accompanying "just-the-facts" style, though in reality they became far less neutral Now that everyone can grab the megaphone, people are not so worried about objectivity. If something is unfair to Nazis or blacks or evil polluting capitalists, they know they will hear about it from the Nazis, the blacks or the evil polluting capitalists. As a result, people no longer value the superficial appearance of neutrality and objectivity. Suddenly colorful and openly biased reporting has become popular. This has led to some people engaging in florid excesses of colorful style and concocting totally phony attitudes., just as when word processing programs first gained the capability to handle a wide variety of fonts, some people produced memos that looked like ransom notes. Soon enough they will settle down. English prose was at its greatest in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, when many voices could be heard, and some of them were on the florid side. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: Style gettting in the way of clear reporting
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:40 AM 7/8/96, James A. Donald wrote: >When news media were concentrated into fewer and fewer hands during >the twentieth century, the appearance of neutrality, objectivity, >and authoritativeness became a major selling point, and so media >adopted a tone and manner of neutrality, with an accompanying >"just-the-facts" style, though in reality they became far less neutral An interesting point. You are probably right that journalism is becoming more florid as "amateurs" flood the market. However, I don't quite buy the concentration argument, as things were pretty concentrated in the Hearst era, and the explosion of magazines in the past few decades has not been as concentrated. (In any case, these are hard things to quantify without more research, which I for one am unlikely to pursue.) >Now that everyone can grab the megaphone, people are not so worried >about objectivity. If something is unfair to Nazis or blacks or evil >polluting capitalists, they know they will hear about it from the >Nazis, the blacks or the evil polluting capitalists. > >As a result, people no longer value the superficial appearance of >neutrality and objectivity. Suddenly colorful and openly biased >reporting has become popular. I still think of "The Wall Street Journal" and "The Economist," two of my favorites, as being _careful_ in their reporting (careful is different from unbiased). But my main focus in this thread was on the _styles_, and this I think is more explained by faddishness. And advertising. To get "mind space," as with "shelf space," the packaging must entice, fool, and trick the reader. >This has led to some people engaging in florid excesses of colorful >style and concocting totally phony attitudes., just as when word >processing programs first gained the capability to handle a wide >variety of fonts, some people produced memos that looked like >ransom notes. Yes, and many of the newsletters we're seeing--as many are cc:ed or forwarded to our list--are the kissing cousins of "zines." Same faux style, same emphasis on "flash" over substance. (Not all of them of course.) --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: more about the usefulness of PGP
by Steve Reid 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> make sure that you are protected from replay attacks. > a good idea would be to make the server to send cookies by request of > the remote user (you can limit the number of people to whom the server > sends cookies) and make sure that messages without the latest cookie > will NOT be executed. A simpler solution would be for the user to number each message. He would send message #1, then message #2, then #3, etc... Skipping some numbers should not be a problem. The server would just have to keep track of the most recently recieved message number, and only accept messages with a larger number. The user would also have to keep track... It would be very easy to do; the user could number each message based on date and time. ===================================================================== | Steve Reid - SysAdmin & Pres, EDM Web (http://www.edmweb.com/) | | Email: steve(a)edmweb.com Home Page: http://www.edmweb.com/steve/ | | PGP (2048/9F317269) Fingerprint: 11C89D1CD67287E68C09EC52443F8830 | | -- Disclaimer: JMHO, YMMV, TANSTAAFL, IANAL. -- | ===================================================================:)

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List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, plus lots of interesting links to remailer-related resources, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail. For more information, see: http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html For the PGP public keys of the remailers, finger pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{"extropia"} = "<remail(a)miron.vip.best.com> cpunk pgp special"; $remailer{"portal"} = "<hfinney(a)shell.portal.com> cpunk pgp hash"; $remailer{"alumni"} = "<hal(a)alumni.caltech.edu> cpunk pgp hash"; $remailer{"c2"} = "<remail(a)c2.org> eric pgp hash reord"; $remailer{"penet"} = "<anon(a)anon.penet.fi> penet post"; $remailer{"flame"} = "<remailer(a)flame.alias.net> cpunk mix pgp. hash latent cut post reord"; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord ?"; $remailer{"replay"} = "<remailer(a)replay.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"ecafe"} = "<cpunk(a)remail.ecafe.org> cpunk mix"; $remailer{"amnesia"} = "<amnesia(a)chardos.connix.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ksub"; $remailer{'alpha'} = '<alias(a)alpha.c2.org> alpha pgp'; $remailer{'nymrod'} = '<nymrod(a)nym.jpunix.com> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"lead"} = "<mix(a)zifi.genetics.utah.edu> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"treehole"} = "<remailer(a)mockingbird.alias.net> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"nemesis"} = "<remailer(a)meaning.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut"; $remailer{"exon"} = "<remailer(a)remailer.nl.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"vegas"} = "<remailer(a)vegas.gateway.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut"; $remailer{"haystack"} = "<haystack(a)holy.cow.net> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"ncognito"} = "<ncognito(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> mix cpunk pgp hash latent"; $remailer{"lucifer"} = "<lucifer(a)dhp.com> cpunk mix pgp hash"; $remailer{"jam"} = "<remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu is _not_ a remailer. usura(a)replay.com is _not_ a remailer. Groups of remailers sharing a machine or operator: (c2 alpha) (flame replay) (alumni portal) Use "premail -getkeys pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu" to get PGP keys for the remailers. Fingering this address works too. Note: The remailer list now includes information for the alpha nymserver. Last update: Mon 8 Jul 96 6:48:30 PDT remailer email address history latency uptime ----------------------------------------------------------------------- alumni hal(a)alumni.caltech.edu *+*#+*#-*### 3:36 100.00% replay remailer(a)replay.com **+*******+* 4:23 99.99% jam remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca ******** 16:45 99.98% c2 remail(a)c2.org +-++++++-+++ 46:47 99.97% nemesis remailer(a)meaning.com +*********** 17:25 99.97% nymrod nymrod(a)nym.jpunix.com #+#-##*##### 2:49 99.97% lead mix(a)zifi.genetics.utah.edu ++++++++++++ 38:37 99.96% vegas remailer(a)vegas.gateway.com *___.+#*+#*+ 4:34:27 99.95% mix mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com .------+++++ 5:42:01 99.92% flame remailer(a)flame.alias.net .-++---+--++ 3:59:13 99.91% haystack haystack(a)holy.cow.net +###+#* #+## 3:07 99.80% lucifer lucifer(a)dhp.com +++ -+++++++ 48:41 99.78% ncognito ncognito(a)rigel.cyberpass.net .__.___-... 24:13:12 99.68% extropia remail(a)miron.vip.best.com ----.----.- 7:38:28 99.39% amnesia amnesia(a)chardos.connix.com ---- -----+ 3:42:52 99.31% alpha alias(a)alpha.c2.org +++*****++++ 38:39 99.29% penet anon(a)anon.penet.fi ...--....- 27:11:56 99.00% ecafe cpunk(a)remail.ecafe.org --##* ### 1:26:57 98.73% portal hfinney(a)shell.portal.com #+*####- ## 3:52 98.05% treehole remailer(a)mockingbird.alias.net +++- --+ + 2:18:51 97.06% exon remailer(a)remailer.nl.com **+**** ** 4:35 95.60% History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. ek Encrypt responses in reply blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. mix Can accept messages in Mixmaster format. reord Attempts to foil traffic analysis by reordering messages. Note: I'm relying on the word of the remailer operator here, and haven't verified the reord info myself. mon Remailer has been known to monitor contents of private email. filter Remailer has been known to filter messages based on content. If not listed in conjunction with mon, then only messages destined for public forums are subject to filtering. Raph Levien

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Hurricane Bertha hitting Offshore Information Services
by Vincent Cate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hurricane Bertha is almost certainly going to hit Anguilla, where Offshore Information Services is located. It will probably be at the strongest about 9 am Eastern time Monday morning. This is still not a really big hurricane, so we will not get anything like the trouble we had with Luis last year. Still, there is some chance that we will be offline at some time. If so please understand why. I have about 8 hours of battery backup. If power is out at our location for longer than that I will relocate the server to another location, as I did after Luis. There is little chance that power will go out everywhere for longer than 8 hours. There is a good chance that we get through this without going down, but I just wanted to let people know what our status is. Be patient if sometime tomorrow you can not get to our site. -- Vince Cate Offshore Information Services, Ltd. Anguilla http://online.offshore.com.ai/

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Re: Style gettting in the way of clear reporting
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:38 PM 7/7/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >At 12:40 AM 7/8/96, James A. Donald wrote: > >>When news media were concentrated into fewer and fewer hands during >>the twentieth century, the appearance of neutrality, objectivity, >>and authoritativeness became a major selling point, and so media >>adopted a tone and manner of neutrality, with an accompanying >>"just-the-facts" style, though in reality they became far less neutral > >An interesting point. You are probably right that journalism is becoming >more florid as "amateurs" flood the market. However, I don't quite buy the >concentration argument, as things were pretty concentrated in the Hearst >era, and the explosion of magazines in the past few decades has not been as >concentrated. (In any case, these are hard things to quantify without more >research, which I for one am unlikely to pursue.) It is probably true that journalism was more concentrated in the late 1800's and early 1900's, since it consisted of a few newspapers. However, I think a good argument could be made that because government was dramatically smaller than today, that concentration was not nearly as detrimental as it would be today under similar circumstances. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Cypherpunk Enquirer
by enquirer＠alpha.c2.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I finally lost the tail somewhere around the docks, and slowly worked my way into Chiba, watching my back all the way. I dumped the chip in the saddlebag of a bike messenger who almost ran me down in front of the Jarre, figured he'd get a good scare out of a midnight visit from the NSA goons who'd been using it to follow my tracks out of Tokyo. They weren't going to like the way I rearranged the facial features of their buddy who tried to waylay me outside of the pachinko parlor. One last glance behind me, and I ducked into the Chatsubo. She was waiting for me there, a vision of pure lust in a red mini-dress with cleavage all the way down to her waist and legs all the way down to the floor. I tried to stay casual as I sauntered over to the bar next to her. "Vodka martini. Shaken, not stirred," I said to Ratz, the regular bartender. Ratz slammed the drink down on the counter in front of me. "Shaken enough for you, Dick?" he said. "Dick. Nice name." She had a voice that sounded like wind blowing through pine trees on a hot summer night. Low. Breathy. Wet. "He's being an asshole. Dick's American slang for a PI. Mind if I join you?" "Suit yourself." I pulled up a stool, surreptitiously slipping her PGP signature into my PDA. It checked out. Good. Now if she just had the merchandise. I hadn't come 5,000 miles just to check out her pectoral development. I leaned over close, trying not to stare at that pair of 38Ds. "You got anything else you'd like to show me?" Her emerald green eyes bored into mine, and then slowly dropped down to the level of my zipper. She slowly slid the hem of her dress up her creamy thigh, just high enough so that I could see that she wasn't wearing any panties. And there it was. Tucked into the top of her silk stocking, just next to the black lace garter. "That floppy's got the source to Declan McCullagh and Ian Goldberg's crack of the Surfwatch database. Worth a small fortune to anyone with the cojones to spam a sample to K12." She licked her lips like she was getting ready to go down on a double dip of Cherry Garcia. "Would you like to come up to my room and take a closer look?" (OK, Nobody, knock it off. You got rid of Tim May three paragraphs ago. Let's get on with it, huh?) (Shit, boss, just trying to have a little fun ... ) THE CYPHERPUNK ENQUIRER "Encyphering minds want to know." Fresh on the heels of the Chicago Bull's triumph in the NBA finals, Michael Jordan has announced the release of his new signature Internet encryption product, Michael Jordan's Awfully Good Snake Oil. Based on a tried and tested but proprietary algorithm, AGSO is guaranteed to provide superior 40 bit encryption of all important Internet traffic. Michael himself personally guarantees that AGSO will integrate perfectly with the Eudora mailer, and used no 14 year old Nicaraguan programmers like that inferior Kathy Lee Gifford shit, and no feminine frou-frou like with Liz Taylor's Black Perl. Jim Bell was injured today when a mail exploder went off in his hands. Doctors at the Bethesda Naval Hospital reported that the mail exploder had been upgraded from critical to stable condition and was resting comfortably in a private room. After a visit from fellow patient Louis Freeh, the mail exploder commented, "It's surprising how well he's learned to talk through that proctoscope." Matt Blaze has finally come clean, and agreed to provide a partial transcript of the NSA's famous "If you knew what we know, you'd support key escrow" presentation, which according to Mr. Blaze starts out, "If you knew about the video tapes we have of you with that 16 year old blonde at the Motel Six ... " Due to continuing controversy over the Michael Jackson case, and bowing to extreme election year pressure from the religious right, President Clinton today announced a new policy to prevent child abuse in the music industry. The Rock Musicians Penis Escrow Bill would require all musicians selling more than 10,000 CDs to file photographs of their (presumably tumescent) genitals with the FBI so that they could be examined and identified in the event of accusations of lascivious behavior with minors. Leon Panetta was reportedly flying to Chicago for discussions with the presently retired Plaster Casters, hoping to garner their support for the bill, while the Wall Street Journal announced an investigation into rumors that Chelsea has a standing request with the FBI for multiple copies. The Libertarian Party immediately announced its whole-hearted support for the plan after Jim Ray snuck the plank into the party platform when no one was looking. Tim May's experimental plan to reduce the noise level on the Cypherpunk Mailing List was declared a resounding success after massive doses of Ritalin actually caused Perry Metzger to apologize for flaming a clueless AOLer. In related news, AwakenToMe has finally figured out protected mode, and has announced the first Pentium condom that actually fits over the cooling fan. Sameer Parkesh announced that c2.org is now hosting an "Unanimizer" web browser, which makes web servers think that the entire population of the WhoWhere search engine has just accessed their pages. Next in the Enquirer: Bob Dole on the dangers of the abacus virus.

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Re: [RANT] Giving Mind Control Drugs to Children
by Arun Mehta 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I sent Tim's original post to a psychiatrist friend, who responded: Ritalin is a lifesaver for a small % of children who suffer from a condition characterized by hyperactivity and poor attention span. These kids (usually boys) may be bright as hell but fail in school because they can't sit still or pay attention; they get made fun of, they behave badly, get depressed, it's a mess. Some of them (milder cases) respond to behavior modification therapies which involve training of the parents and teachers to have realistic expectation, recognize the specific difficulties the kids have, set them goals, reward them for achieving them, give them disincentives for misbehaving etc. Others really do need Ritalin. It's a relief not just for the parents and teachers but for the kids to be able to sit still and pay attention and learn and succeed and be liked etc. Most of them grow out of it by their mid-teens. However, there are many more kids on Ritalin than there need to be; some teachers pressure parents to get kids put on it... I know one very bright little girl who's bored out of her mind in school, the school refuses to move her up a grade or give her more challenging work to do, instead complain that she is not paying attention and suggested that she be put on Ritalin... mother was furious. Some of the kids who use foul language (a very small %) have Tourette's disease, and also need medicine (a different one)... by and large the politically correct thing is sometimes to label a kid as sick rather than bad or spoiled, this is probably why drugs are over-used. But we can't throw the baby out with the bathwater! By the way, some old people who are severely depressed after a stroke also do well with Ritalin and don't respond to any other antidepressants... Arun Mehta Phone +91-11-6841172, 6849103 amehta(a)cpsr.org http://mahavir.doe.ernet.in/~pinaward/arun.htm The protestors of Tiananmen Square will be back. Next time, the battle will be fought in cyberspace, where the students have the more powerful tanks...

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Cypherpunk Enquirer
by enquirer＠alpha.c2.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I finally lost the tail somewhere around the docks, and slowly worked my way into Chiba, watching my back all the way. I dumped the chip in the saddlebag of a bike messenger who almost ran me down in front of the Jarre, figured he'd get a good scare out of a midnight visit from the NSA goons who'd been using it to follow my tracks out of Tokyo. They weren't going to like the way I rearranged the facial features of their buddy who tried to waylay me outside of the pachinko parlor. One last glance behind me, and I ducked into the Chatsubo. She was waiting for me there, a vision of pure lust in a red mini-dress with cleavage all the way down to her waist and legs all the way down to the floor. I tried to stay casual as I sauntered over to the bar next to her. "Vodka martini. Shaken, not stirred," I said to Ratz, the regular bartender. Ratz slammed the drink down on the counter in front of me. "Shaken enough for you, Dick?" he said. "Dick. Nice name." She had a voice that sounded like wind blowing through pine trees on a hot summer night. Low. Breathy. Wet. "He's being an asshole. Dick's American slang for a PI. Mind if I join you?" "Suit yourself." I pulled up a stool, surreptitiously slipping her PGP signature into my PDA. It checked out. Good. Now if she just had the merchandise. I hadn't come 5,000 miles just to check out her pectoral development. I leaned over close, trying not to stare at that pair of 38Ds. "You got anything else you'd like to show me?" Her emerald green eyes bored into mine, and then slowly dropped down to the level of my zipper. She slowly slid the hem of her dress up her creamy thigh, just high enough so that I could see that she wasn't wearing any panties. And there it was. Tucked into the top of her silk stocking, just next to the black lace garter. "That floppy's got the source to Declan McCullagh and Ian Goldberg's crack of the Surfwatch database. Worth a small fortune to anyone with the cojones to spam a sample to K12." She licked her lips like she was getting ready to go down on a double dip of Cherry Garcia. "Would you like to come up to my room and take a closer look?" (OK, Nobody, knock it off. You got rid of Tim May three paragraphs ago. Let's get on with it, huh?) (Shit, boss, just trying to have a little fun ... ) THE CYPHERPUNK ENQUIRER "Encyphering minds want to know." Fresh on the heels of the Chicago Bull's triumph in the NBA finals, Michael Jordan has announced the release of his new signature Internet encryption product, Michael Jordan's Awfully Good Snake Oil. Based on a tried and tested but proprietary algorithm, AGSO is guaranteed to provide superior 40 bit encryption of all important Internet traffic. Michael himself personally guarantees that AGSO will integrate perfectly with the Eudora mailer, and used no 14 year old Nicaraguan programmers like that inferior Kathy Lee Gifford shit, and no feminine frou-frou like with Liz Taylor's Black Perl. Jim Bell was injured today when a mail exploder went off in his hands. Doctors at the Bethesda Naval Hospital reported that the mail exploder had been upgraded from critical to stable condition and was resting comfortably in a private room. After a visit from fellow patient Louis Freeh, the mail exploder commented, "It's surprising how well he's learned to talk through that proctoscope." Matt Blaze has finally come clean, and agreed to provide a partial transcript of the NSA's famous "If you knew what we know, you'd support key escrow" presentation, which according to Mr. Blaze starts out, "If you knew about the video tapes we have of you with that 16 year old blonde at the Motel Six ... " Due to continuing controversy over the Michael Jackson case, and bowing to extreme election year pressure from the religious right, President Clinton today announced a new policy to prevent child abuse in the music industry. The Rock Musicians Penis Escrow Bill would require all musicians selling more than 10,000 CDs to file photographs of their (presumably tumescent) genitals with the FBI so that they could be examined and identified in the event of accusations of lascivious behavior with minors. Leon Panetta was reportedly flying to Chicago for discussions with the presently retired Plaster Casters, hoping to garner their support for the bill, while the Wall Street Journal announced an investigation into rumors that Chelsea has a standing request with the FBI for multiple copies. The Libertarian Party immediately announced its whole-hearted support for the plan after Jim Ray snuck the plank into the party platform when no one was looking. Tim May's experimental plan to reduce the noise level on the Cypherpunk Mailing List was declared a resounding success after massive doses of Ritalin actually caused Perry Metzger to apologize for flaming a clueless AOLer. In related news, AwakenToMe has finally figured out protected mode, and has announced the first Pentium condom that actually fits over the cooling fan. Sameer Parkesh announced that c2.org is now hosting an "Unanimizer" web browser, which makes web servers think that the entire population of the WhoWhere search engine has just accessed their pages. Next in the Enquirer: Bob Dole on the dangers of the abacus virus.

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Re: The Net and Terrorism
by Arun Mehta 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 19:52 02/07/96 -0500, John Deters wrote: >Even so, there are a couple of problems with even attempting "to take away >the root causes", not the least of which is the Constitutionally protected >right to free speech. I am allowed to teach my kid to hate anyone for any >reason. I can blame this or that group for this set of troubles, and that >the best way to deal with this is not only to scare them away, but to kill >as many of them as possible. It may be morally repugnant, but it is >protected speech. I think we've all been exposed to awful teaching in some aspects of our upbringing, but experience taught us otherwise. I love the anarchist poster that says, "We are the people whom our parents used to warn us about." Just because you were taught hate, doesn't mean you won't outgrow it. My mother was active in the freedom struggle against the British, and told me enough horror stories that I grew up hating them. But once I met some perfectly decent specimens, it evaporated. If the hate persists, there is likely to be reinforcement in the form of injustices, further bad experiences, etc. India is a large, diverse country with lots of injustice, poverty and other problems. When we analyze what breeds terrorism, we find aspects such as: - Severe neglect by the government (i.e. problems keep getting worse): For instance, the north east (which is east of Bangladesh, and has a long history of militant opposition) had to agitate for a long time to even get a railway line to connect them to the rest of the country. - Meddling by politicians: in Punjab, there was a Sikh regional party that was quite strong. To erode its popular base, Indira Gandhi encouraged the fundamentalists on its right. Similarly, Rajiv Gandhi's government helped train the Tamil LTTE. Both paid for these blunders with their lives, at the hands of the very groups they had once tried to foster. - Disenfranchisement: In Kashmir, most elections were rigged, as the central government pretty much admits now. Interestingly, some of the leaders of the terrorists were polling agents at the time of the previous elections, and were quite disgusted at what they saw. >The countries that sponsor terrorists have not been noted for their >successful educational systems. And they certainly are not going to listen >to Western discussions on how best to solve their "problems". No, but give the people the conviction that they can get their problems redressed legally, that they can win political power peacefully, and basically not let problems fester for so long that all trust in government is lost, and people will be far less likely to take to arms. Phoolan Devi (seen "Bandit Queen"? Great movie) was a dacoit, supposedly responsible for serious massacres. She went to jail, now she is an elected member of the federal Parliament. That is a great message to send to the poor and deprived. The cynic in me sees this as a way of depriving the poor suffering masses of their leaders, by co-opting them into the ruling elite. But there is no shortage of followers eager and willing to take their place. >The U.S. has a level of tolerance for diversity that I >only recently came to >appreciate. We hosted a foreign exchange student from Scotland (hardly >culture shock to him), but he surprised me when he commented on how >surprised he was that different groups of people were mixed together I've had a similar experience. I was part of the Indian delegation to a couple of Amnesty International International Council meetings. In this organisation, multiracialism and multiculturalism are heavily promoted. But if you looked at delegations from Europe, even from countries with sizable racial minorities, they were typically all-white. The US delegation, on the other hand, had blacks, different kinds of Asians, Hispanics... and not by design -- the US section leadership is highly "mixed", so they did not have to think about multiracialism, it just happened. Of course, given the "melting pot" ethos in the US, this is hardly surprising. However, every society has its blind spots. Communism is a real US phobia. The way you treat puny Cuba I find truly amazing. Arun Mehta Phone +91-11-6841172, 6849103 amehta(a)cpsr.org http://mahavir.doe.ernet.in/~pinaward/arun.htm The protestors of Tiananmen Square will be back. Next time, the battle will be fought in cyberspace, where the students have the more powerful tanks...

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Re: DEA Intercepts
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 7 Jul 96 at 23:59, Timothy C. May wrote: > At 9:19 PM 7/7/96, John Young wrote: [..] > > "I don't think J. Edgar Hoover would contemplate what we > > can do today in terms of technology," Reno testified during > > a Senate hearing in May. A double-edged quote, isn't it? [Tim's sort-of techie comments deleted.] Who needs high-tech for a surveillance state? I remember several years back a Soviet-history class that put a lot of emphasis on the Czar's totalitarian regime, much of which was already in place when the Bolshviks took power (and one of the reasons they held it). Irregardless of the literacy rate (which I'm guessing was low anyway), it was apparently common practice in many European countries in the early 19th century (incl. Russia) to have 'black offices' in the post offices that would steam open EVERY piece of mail to be read for intelligence and surveillance purposes. And back then there was probably a higher proportion of meaningful mail since there was no telephone, radio, or (very little) direct-mail marketing. Generally such offices were used for political purposes. Oddly enough the secret police organizations spied heavily on those in power as well: sometimes I wonder if Americal political scandals are (or will ever be) linked to US intelligence agencies listening in one some pol's calls. This is akin in some ways to building a postal system where there's a black office in every station. Rob. --- No-frills sig. Befriend my mail filter by sending a message with the subject "send help" Key-ID: 5D3F2E99 1996/04/22 wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com (root@magneto) AB1F4831 1993/05/10 Deranged Mutant <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key.

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