December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: COQ_tal--comment
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:59 PM 4/17/96, Matt Thomlinson wrote: >damn, that's the second time I've done that this week! dang 'R' key.. > >apologies, > >mattt By the way, Matt, thanks for mentioning this on the list. As this was the second time I'd seen this, I was about to send you a short note mentioning that your requests to John's bot were also going to the list (in case you didn't know). I suspect at least 5 or maybe 10 others were thinking about doing the same thing. So, your acknowledgement helps. (This is the same reason I think most replies ought to be public, as this one will be: it signals others that a reply has been made. Standard game theory arguments.) --Tim Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: [NOISE] Toast Fishing in America
by David K. Merriman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:30 PM 04/17/96 -0700, Dave Del Toasto <ddt(a)lsd.com> wrote: >[from "If _____ Made Toasters" ...my edits] > > If The Rand Corporation made toasters... > They would be large, perfectly smooth, seamless black cubes. > Each morning, exactly as much toast as you could eat would > appear on top of your toaster. Their service department would > have an unlisted phone number and the cube's blueprints would > be highly-classified government documents, but the "X-Files" > would have an episode with a partially disassembled toaster > remarkably similar to it visible in the background. > > If the NSA made toasters... > Your toaster would have a secret crumb-door on the back that > only the NSA could open in case they needed to inspect your > toast for breakfasts of a national security nature. > If RSA made toasters... They'd tell you the price *only* after finding out how much toast you wanted to make and how badly you wanted the toast; then they'd insist on you making a piece of toast for them every time you used the toaster. If cypherpunks made toasters... Jim B and Black Unicorn would argue about whether toast should be buttered, and what the appropriate flavor of jam/jelly should be; TC May would point out that it wasn't really toast, but rather, sliced and slightly-burned bread; Perry would kvetch about the lack of crypto-relevance of toasters; and a few others would form a new listserver for toasterpunks. The service department would be flooded with calls from newbies, asking how to make toast. If Netscape made toasters... They'd beta-test the toasters for months, then make one slot too wide and the other too narrow. It wouldn't be until a cook in a diner pointed out that the toast wasn't coming out right that they'd have their design reviewed by a 3rd-party Toaster Engineer. If Microsoft made toasters... They'd put the slots on the side, the actuator on top, make the cord too short, and design it to only run properly on 177V, 41Hz. Then they'd declare the toaster to be the new industry standard. Dave Merriman ------------------------------------------------------------- "Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." P. J. O'Rourke (b. 1947), U.S. journalist. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> http://www.shellback.com/personal/merriman/index.htm

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Re[2]: on corporations and subpoenas
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:42 AM 4/17/96, Adam Pingitore wrote: > Um, well, then I'm going to have to spam your ass. Your metaphor escapes me... Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "If they could 'just pass just pass a few more laws', we would all be criminals." --Vinnie Moscaritolo The e$ Home Page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/

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LolitaWatch
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sunnyvale, CA. Nubility, Inc. is pleased to announce the availability of "LolitaWatch," a filter program for the Web and Net which alerts users about the presence of nubile, young teens (and even younger!). LolitaWatch operates by checking the federally-mandated "age bit." No longer will you be frustrated in trying to contact that 12-year-old girl, only to eventually learn she's a 44-year-old male playing mind games. The President of Nubility, Pete Ofeil, said "Hey, the government says that they have to wear a sign announcing their age...all we're doing is offering a service to our customers." (There is still the problem that the girl may be a boy, or vice versa, depending on your preferences, but this is likely to be solved as the "Fairness to Women and Other People of Color Protection Act," which mandates that a "gender bit" be set.) "LolitaWatch allows me to cut quickly to the chase, screening out the hags," says Roy G. Biv, appreciator of young girls. "I've even rigged up my copy of LolitaWatch to automatically alert me when one of these nubile young things enters an IRC chat room!," he added with a sly grin. LolitaWatch is available immediately for Windows and Macintosh. No Unix version is planned because Unix users are, well, unix.

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COQ_tal
by foodie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-- Jamie foodie(a)netcom.com ________________________________________________________________ Our cat is a dog.

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Re: on corporations and subpoenas
by jpb＠miamisci.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

re: > GET ME OFF THE DAMN LIST Read the damn directions you got when you signed on. You know, that first message that told you to save the damn message in case you ever wanted to sign off the list in the future. Your cluelessness does not create any obligation in me to fix your problem. Perhaps if you were a little less rude someone might be inspired to give you useful information. Joseph Block <jpb(a)miamisci.org> "We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans ..." -- Bill Clinton (USA TODAY, 11 March 1993, page 2A) PGP 2048bit-Fingerprint: F8 A2 A5 15 56 42 9B 16 3F BD 57 0F 8A ED E3 21 No man's life, liberty or property are safe while the legislature is in session.

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Re: cluelessness
by remailer＠2005.bart.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, 17 Apr 1996 sameer(a)c2.org wrote: > > > > I think the "clueless" mailing list is a must at this point. > > clueless@c2.org/majordomo@c2.org > > subscribe idiots as necessary. is this the original clueless list or a new one just created?

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LolitaWatch v1.1
by Dave Del Torto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[ Newt Gingrich and his ilk being the mensches they are, I expect v2.0 may ] [ add support for the "Jew," "Nigger," "Kike," "Fag," "Nerd" and "Wop" bits ] [ -dave ] Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 18:55:42 -0700 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: tcmay(a)got.net (Timothy C. May) Subject: LolitaWatch Sunnyvale, CA. Nubility, Inc. is pleased to announce the availability of "LolitaWatch," a filter program for the Web and Net which alerts users about the presence of nubile, young teens (and even younger!). LolitaWatch operates by checking the federally-mandated "age bit." No longer will you be frustrated in trying to contact that 12-year-old girl, only to eventually learn she's a 44-year-old male playing mind games. The President of Nubility, Pete Ofeil, said "Hey, the government says that they have to wear a sign announcing their age...all we're doing is offering a service to our customers." (There is still the problem that the girl may be a boy, or vice versa, depending on your preferences, but this is likely to be solved as the "Fairness to Women and Other People of Color Protection Act," which mandates that a "gender bit" be set.) "LolitaWatch allows me to cut quickly to the chase, screening out the hags," says Roy G. Biv, appreciator of young girls. "I've even rigged up my copy of LolitaWatch to automatically alert me when one of these nubile young things enters an IRC chat room!," he added with a sly grin. LolitaWatch is available immediately for Windows and Macintosh. No Unix version is planned because Unix users are, well, unix.

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Cypherpunks Death Penalty for "take me of" messages?
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:08 AM 4/18/96, Leslie Farnsworth wrote: >take me of your emailing list She (or he) can't even spell "off." This clown also sent me the same message privately, so anything done to her or him is only fair.. The Cypherpunks Death Penalty? --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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CDA Court Challenges
by K00l Secrets 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Are Declan's CDA reports numbers 1 and 2 available anywhere? I seemed to have missed them on the mailing list, and the web site also starts at 3. Thanks.

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Re: why compression doesn't perfectly even out entropy
by abostick＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, 17 Apr 1996 18:28:27 -0700 (PDT), Leslie Farnsworth <leslie(a)koalas.com> wrote: > take me off your mailing list > Okay . . . <clickclickclicketyclicketyclick> There, that did it! You are now deleted from every mailing list over which I have control. Hope this helps. -- Alan Bostick | They say in online country there is no middle way mailto:abostick@netcom.com | You'll either be a Usenet man or a thug for the CDA news:alt.grelb | Simon Spero (after Tom Glazer) http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~abostick

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GNU Version 0.01 (alpha) of KiddieFind is now available
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am going ahead and releasing an alpha version of KiddieFind a free Unix implementation of LolitaWatch. Everything is under the GPL, so the source code is free, hack on it all you want ... KiddieFind is an enhanced free version of Nubility Inc.'s LolitaWatch for Unix. It works by locating network packets that have the US federally mandated Under18 bit set, and then uses publicly accessible databases to map them into a street address and phonenumber. The networked version works as follows, using the provided plug in module (a version is provided in 0.01 for AOL, I'm working on a CompuServe version and will have it ready in a week or so) to connect to a major online service. Once connected it goes into the equivalent of promiscuous mode and scans all traffic for the age bit, and forwards the information back to your system. After collecting all this information, it scans a number of publicly accessible databases to turn the information into a street address. The geographical location can be approximated by running a traceroute on the IP address of the originating packet and works backwards until a host with reliable geographic data can be located. KiddieFind only requires state-wide granularity, and this only to narrow the later phonebook search. Once a geographic location has been determined, it's not likely that the child has her own phone. Therefore the parents must be found. A search is done through the any number of the available on-line telephone books. By this stage KiddieFind should have a manageable number of candidate numbers. If real names are being used, than it's easy to isolate the correct phone number. Hopefully the Denning geographic information will be mandated soon, thus eliminating nearly all sources of error isolating the correct neighborhood. If there are still too many candiate numbers a number of other mostly automated searches can be done. The parents' home web pages can be searched for personal information, etc. Once you have the system tuned, all you merely have to do to locate a street address and phone number for any number of children is just login and poke around a bit. Everything else is done in the background. You don't even have to think about it. I've obtained the address and phone numbers of over 5,000 children so far, but I expect this will become easier after all the kinks in the system are worked out. GNU archives are located throughout the world, pick the one closest to you for downloading.

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Re: cluelessness
by remailer＠2005.bart.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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No Subject
by Anonymous User 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"add leslie(a)koalas.com clueless" 'leslie(a)koalas.com' was ADDED to the 'clueless' mailing list.

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Re[2]: on corporations and subpoenas
by jpb＠miamisci.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam, re: At 9:42 AM 4/17/96, Adam Pingitore wrote: > Um, well, then I'm going to have to spam your ass. Um, well, then I'm going to have to notify your postmaster of your threat to spam the cypherpunks(a)toad.com mailing list. I'm certain he has better things to do than reply to several hundred irate cypherpunks copying your spam to him and will take appropriate steps. Grow up. Joseph Block <jpb(a)miamisci.org> "We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans ..." -- Bill Clinton (USA TODAY, 11 March 1993, page 2A) PGP 2048bit-Fingerprint: F8 A2 A5 15 56 42 9B 16 3F BD 57 0F 8A ED E3 21 No man's life, liberty or property are safe while the legislature is in session.

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Re: why compression doesn't perfectly even out entropy
by JonWienke＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Is it possible to find a percentage of the key space to eliminate that >will optimize security assuming that the attacker will try the easy >stuff first (and is it possible to quantify "easy stuff")? If you eliminate all repeating byte sequences, such as 00 00 or 7F 7F, you will reduce your possible entropy by .07058% (7.99435 bits per byte), and eliminate the (astronomically remote) possibility of Hamlet or some other English text popping out of your RNG/PRNG. As long as your key is long enough to withstand this slight entropy reduction, you are still OK.

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Re: EFF/Bernstein Press Release
by Mark Neely 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, that puts legislation making virus authoring a crime into a new (and difficult) position. Mark ___ Mark Neely - accessnt(a)ozemail.com.au Lawyer, Internet Consultant, Professional Cynic Author: Australian Beginner's Guide to the Internet Work-in-Progress: Australian Business Guide to the Internet WWW: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~accessnt

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Re: [Explanation] Re: "STOP SENDING ME THIS SHIT"
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:37 PM 4/17/96 -0700, Patrick May wrote: > I run a small mailing list that has been subject to problems >similar to the recent spate of "unscrives". Apparently there is a >list of mailing lists circulating the warez boards along with scripts >for spoofing subscription requests. Over the past few months my list >has periodically received batches of bogus subscriptions for accounts >ranging from Fidonet sysops to Al Gore to random AOL users. Email >from other mailing list admins indicates that these same accounts, >perhaps two hundred in all, were subscribed to several hundred lists. Teleport has been having the same problems. They have a modification to majordomo that sends a confirm message to the intended victim^H^H^H^H^H^Hrecipient asking if he/she/it really wanted to subscribe and request that they send back a passphrase to confirm the subscription. This has two benificial effects... It keeps the unwilling from being subscribed to lists that they do not want. It also keeps the incredibly clueless from subscribing in the first place since they can never figure how to get the confirm message back to majordomo without botching it. I will find from the "powers that be" at teleport if the patch is publically released for use. --- Alan Olsen -- alano(a)teleport.com -- Contract Web Design & Instruction `finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ "We had to destroy the Internet in order to save it." - Sen. Exon

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[Explanation] Re: "STOP SENDING ME THIS SHIT"
by Patrick May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Perry E. Metzger writes: > "Adam Pingitore" writes: > > I've got news for you all. This 'jerk' was spammed by some > > ass out there. I've canceled by subscription so would you > > all quit whining already. Sorry if I sent you people > > inappropriate mail, but I just wasn't very happy getting > > 2000 e-mails a day. [ Mr. Metzger's amusing flame elided. ] I run a small mailing list that has been subject to problems similar to the recent spate of "unscrives". Apparently there is a list of mailing lists circulating the warez boards along with scripts for spoofing subscription requests. Over the past few months my list has periodically received batches of bogus subscriptions for accounts ranging from Fidonet sysops to Al Gore to random AOL users. Email from other mailing list admins indicates that these same accounts, perhaps two hundred in all, were subscribed to several hundred lists. Crypto relevance: This attack will be eliminated when more mail agents support public key crypto and the mailing list software can be modified to check signatures on subscription requests. pjm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQEVAwUBMXXU22AA81GB0e9dAQEjowf9EpmBXt3smBCduo3QF6/FLRRsC7NX65Ew 7jDI48XO9BWCOTXwwsFgibGgvefjtRKosB77SgeOy0q8QbukWjO8SXzqmQBSH3hK MBbP6Z1HVlP29KkyVpuWf9RAdsFMYGRuUjrFBNsc+ohpztW75MXvBkqHX7jGEk9K fpmTfQv8TRyygjNR8bqiAXGWMP3OWq/gIO27ydCDG8+7czzqcCX6/JiGsYdH8ns5 sBAPe5oJsm15at4i8khNtpNbf/+JTm6cS+TTAhQLaBTxmdxUDAa/zQlxeevSsrfl sBo9fRF+IgU4v9Zw7BSDcc4E3FKCjpZ39PXLfW+QPH7WBPu9hRjQVw== =4GcH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Welcome to Express!
by Express 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Guest: Merci! and thank you for registering. At Express Online, your user name is "cypherpu" and your password is "cypherpunks". To enter the world of Express, use this user name/password combination. Please save this record for future reference, so you can always download the latest news from Express on fashion, shopping, travel, music and more.

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[Noise] Unsubrscive $$$
by JonWienke＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Wanna make lotsa money? Just charge $20 for instructions whenever the clueless want off the list. When they email you with their pathetic "unsubscrive" pleas, get their MasterCard / Visa / AmEx / Discover number and expiration date. Call it a "spamming fee" to compensate you for the time it takes to download and respond to their iggorant [sick] requests. See you on the Riviera!

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Re: Spaces in passwords
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Ben Rothke writes: >> Do spaces (ASCII 20) in passwords make them less secure? > >Of course not. In a normal Unix password, adding spaces to the >password search space increases the search space, so it necessarily >makes the search harder. Depends on the space of ideas that are leading to your passwords. If the reason you're adding spaces is to separate an n-character word from the dictionary from a 7-n character word from the dictionary, this reduces the search space for a cracker considerably. At least pick random punctuation instead. On the other hand, if your password is a bunch of randomly chosen characters, having another character in the space doesn't hurt. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com, +1-415-442-2215

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Re: why compression doesn't perfectly even out entropy
by Jay Holovacs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Perhaps keyspace analysis and randomness analysis should be done from a Bayesian technique, with the the potential perspective of the cracker, or your estimate of the potental prospective of the cracker as a priori conditions. Hamlet could well qualify as a random string, however if your cracker was using 'Great Books of Western Civ' as a dictionary source, it would not be so good. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jay Holovacs <holovacs(a)ios.com> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- PGP Key fingerprint = AC 29 C8 7A E4 2D 07 27 AE CA 99 4A F6 59 87 90 On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, Simon Spero wrote: > On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, Mark Rogaski wrote: > > > Is it possible to find a percentage of the key space to eliminate that > > will optimize security assuming that the attacker will try the easy > > stuff first (and is it possible to quantify "easy stuff")? > > Hmmm- I think this could be interesting to study; if we treat the space > of possible passwords as a non-uniform probability distribution > (Zipfian?), and then transform it in such a way to be uniform (by > having the probability of certain passwords being disqualified be > based on their relative probability it should be possible to get a > situation where all passwords are possible, and all have equal probability.

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NYT on Bernstein Suit
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/week/0418suit.html

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Re: EFF/Bernstein Press Release
by SBinkley＠atitech.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>On the other hand, a virus is malicious speech, no? Sorta like libel or >fraud. You said bad and untrue things to the victim's computer and the >dimwitted OS believed it. > >Also this is impersonation. You spoke words that led the OS to think that >you were a legit user and, having its gained trust on false grounds, it lets >you do malicious things. Does this mean that an OS is legally considered an entity??? /sb

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