December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Declan appearing on "Europe's Most Wanted"
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:26 AM 2/1/96 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: >The situation with Declan, Sameer, Duncan, and others, is even less clear. >Things are moving much faster now that the Net is the means of >distribution. I was of course half-joking about Declan visiting Europe, but >surely France could decide to throw the book at him, and any EU country he >entered (such as Ireland, judging from his name) could hold him at their >entry point and ship him off to France to "set an example." The "modal time served" in Europe for cypherpunks activities is/will be so low as to be indistinguishable from zero. If only that was my greatest legal risk. Continental legal systems believe in prior restraint so they make a lot of noise but they are pretty weak in the punishment department. DCF

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FEBRUARY MEETING
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, The February Bay Area Cypherpunks meeting will start at noon in downtown San Francisco. The address and directions are: The meeting will be on the fourth floor of 388 Market St. The building is bounded by Market, Pine and Front (Front is the north-of-Market extension of Fremont St.) There are numerous parking garages in the area. You will have to sign in at the security desk in the lobby. You need to indicate that you are going to "Simple Access" on the 4th floor. After you get off the elevator there will be signs directing you to the conference room. 388 is above the Embarcadero BART and Muni Metro station. Other public transit links exist from the Transbay Terminal and the Caltrain Depot. If you have any questions about how to get to the meeting, let me know. If you are driving: >From the Peninsula: 1. Take 101 north to 80. 2. Take 80 east to the 4th Street exit. 3. Take Bryant east (north-east, actually) to Fremont. 4. Turn left on Fremont and drive to Market. 5. You are there, but now you need to find a place to park. 6. (You should have taken public transit!) >From the East Bay: 1. Take 80 west to the Fremont exit. Follow directions 4 thru 6, above. S a n d y P.S. About 50 people have already RSVPed my party invitation. If you have not told me if you will attending my party, please do so. I need to know how much stuff to get. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: Active processes monitoring?
by jf_avon＠citenet.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

on feb 2 96, sunder(a)dorsai.org replied to me: >On Thu, 1 Feb 1996, Jean-Francois Avon wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I'm running on a first generation 486 ISA 4meg ram Win 3.11 >> I use realdeal /commercial and wipeswap.exe in an *.bat that launch Win3.11 >> How can I detect if another process is running on my system? >> I use MEM /c in a dos window. But is that sufficient? >> Can a hidden process detect MEM loading and hide itself somehow? >Mem /C doesn't do squat under 95... don't know about 3.11.... since each >DOS box runs in its own space, MEM /C cannot see what processes are >running in Windoze. AFAIK, when I do mem /c in a dos windows, under W3.11wg, it seems to report all processes that I expect that would be running in the machine. It reports win something processes, it reports realdeal, cd-rom drivers and everything (I think...) Can anybody Wizzard-type can reply on this one? Or RTFM us with the proper references... Thanks and Regards JFA

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Re: Espionage-enabled Greed
by Erik E. Fair 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This scenario has one problem: the providers have determined that large public peering points like the CIX, NAPs, MAEs, and FIXs do not scale well, and that for the continued health and growth of the Internet, there are going to have to be more small, private interconnects between providers. Put another way: if the equipment you're working with has certain limits (let's say 100Mb/s FDDI or 45Mb/s T3/DS3 interfaces), it's better to have more interconnects with fewer peers at each interconnect point when your traffic potentially or actually will exceed those interface limits in aggregate. This is being driven by the incredible growth of the Internet, and by the fact that the customers can (and do) buy the same size pipes into the providers that the providers themselves use for their backbones - i.e. any such customer can potentially fill your backbone around the section of your backbone where he connects to you. Ooops. If you want to have fewer, large interconnects, which, incidentally, you can monitor all the traffic passing through, you've gotta have monstrous point-to-point bit pipes and/or LANs, and the Router/Switch From Hell to make the traffic move. There are people trying to build such things - it's called Asynchronous Transfer Mode (ATM), but it doesn't really work in practice yet at high enough speeds - best you can get at the moment is OC3 (155Mb/s), which is only a trifle faster than FDDI, and the stuff is more expensive than conventional LAN/WAN technology, so it's only being used in small areas to prove the technology (with the hope that it really does scale as promised, and gets cheaper). There are working examples of a fast LAN switch in use at the public peering points: the DEC GIGAswitch (3.2Gb/s aggregate - 16 100Mb/s FDDI ports). Of course, you also have to build a pretty fast computer to suck down all this traffic and analyze it, too. And we all have the ultimate laugh on would-be eavesdroppers: IP security (read: end-to-end encryption of the data payload of IP packets on a per peer basis), drafts for which are in implementation phase as of the Stockholm IETF meeting (July 1995). This leaves 'em with just traffic analysis to use on us. Erik Fair

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Re: Your mail
by Alan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>re: Virus site (http://www.xcitement.com/virus/) reports error 404 - no >such file... To make matters worse, the code on the site was poorly written so that web wacker choked when I tried to download the site. I guess the Grays captured the site.

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Re: CDA as a tool (was: Re: Helping the Crypto-Clueless)
by Bill.Humphries＠msn.fullfeed.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

banjo, lord of the c monkeys (is that a 1,000 monkeys trying for RSA code, 12 monkeys trying for a screenplay to a Terry Gilliam film?) wrote: >I agree: and in addition to that [stuff deleted above], I'd like to say >that >contrary to the beliefs of some people on this list, I don't think >the CDA is >representative of a legislative body's spiteful action against general >free speech and information; it's far to simple a motivation for >computer-illiterate, re-election minded professional politicians. The legislators may not have known or understood what they voted for, however, the fact of the matter remains is there were a host of groups (primarily the Christian Coalition) who know what the Internet can do to prevent them from dominating public discourse and dictating policy to the GOP. They used the congress and a press-release driven news media to get their way. bill.humphries(a)msn.fullfeed.com (not affiliated with the Microsoft Network) @$#! Henry Hyde, #!*% James Exon, !@$! Ralph Reed

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Futplex makes the news!
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just heard on WBUR (NPR) here in Boston that our own L. (I know his real first name now...) "Futplex" McCarthy was busted by the UMASS diginarks for putting "Nazi material" on the internet. This must be one of those Nazi-mirrors I've been skipping articles over... They were pretty hysterical, NPR. Maybe we should call him "FUDplex" in honor of his newfound notariety... ;-). Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Reality is not optional." --Thomas Sowell The NEW(!) e$ Home Page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/

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http://www.xcitement.com/virus/
by brianh＠u163.wi.vp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It was up yesterday. I was there. and does have alot of info. > > re: Virus site (http://www.xcitement.com/virus/) reports error 404 - no > such file... > > ========================================================================== > + ^ + | Ray Arachelian |Emptiness is loneliness, and loneliness| _ |> > \|/ |sunder(a)dorsai.org|is cleanliness and cleanliness is god-| \ | > <--+-->| |liness and god is empty, just like me,| \| > /|\ | Just Say |intoxicated with the maddness, I'm in| <|\ > + v + | "No" to the NSA!|love with my sadness. (Pumpkins/Zero)| <| n > ===================http://www.dorsai.org/~sunder/========================= > > -- UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN :-)

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Re: RC2 technical questions
by wlkngowl＠unix.asb.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 02 Feb 96 10:02:37 PST, "baldwin(a)RSA.COM" wrote: > In a shameless attempt to move the discussion of RC2 into >a more technical arena, here are some interesting questions to >explore about RC2. > --Bob Odd. You're from RSA.COM... It would seem that you're better able to find these things out than the rest of us. Make that Alleged RC2, BTW. ;) I'm rather curious about implementing known plaintext attacks. The reliance on addition and anding doesn't make me feel too confident. For example, the ciphertext produced by the input of all zeros (plaintext) is basically the added/anded (with rolls) skey bytes. With a bit of probabilistic analysis one could work at determining the skey[] bytes. Weaknesses in the key expansion may help this further... Rob.

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cypherpunks press
by jrochkin＠cs.oberlin.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The 29 January New Yorker has an article "Hackworm" that discusses the Mitnick-Shimomura-Markoff echoing cypherpunks lack of sympathy for the Markoff-Shimomura P.R. extravaganza. Article ends mentioning cypherpunks and John Gilmore specifically, discussion of crypto politics, while not entirely toe-ing the cypherpunks party line, an enhearteningly informed and rational treatement. [An altavista search reveals the New Yorker is at http://www.enews.com/magazines/new_yorker/, but they don't seem to put the entire issue online, and parts of the 15 January issue is what you get when you click on "current issue"]

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Re: Active processes monitoring?
by Jeremy Mineweaser 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:59 PM 2/2/96 -0500, you wrote: > >> Are there others applications like MEM that are not as universal? >> (here, I guess that such stealth behaviour have to rely on identifying the >> program being loaded, thus, a less common program has less chance of >> being fooled) > >Mem /C doesn't do squat under 95... don't know about 3.11.... since each >DOS box runs in its own space, MEM /C cannot see what processes are >running in Windoze. There are a number of process viewing applications available for Win95/NT. I use two of them: one is called pstat.exe and the other is ps.exe. Both of them show most of the visible processes running. ps does not show running services, but pstat does. Both of them are available at ftp://csa.gt.ed.net Jeremy --- Jeremy Mineweaser | GCS/E d->-- s:- a--- C++(+++)$ ULC++(++++)>$ P+>++$ j.mineweaser(a)ieee.org | L+>++ E-(---) W++ N+ !o-- K+>++ w+(++++) O- M-- | V-(--) PS+(--) PE++ Y++>$ PGP++>+++$ t+() 5 X+ R+() *ai*vr*vx*crypto* | tv(+) b++>+++ DI+(++) D+ G++ e>+++ h-() r-@ !y-

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Re: Futplex makes the news!
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I just heard on WBUR (NPR) here in Boston that our own L. (I know his real >first name now...) "Futplex" McCarthy was busted by the UMASS diginarks for >putting "Nazi material" on the internet. This must be one of those >Nazi-mirrors I've been skipping articles over... So, the "expanded version" of the story says that it was a nazi-mirror, and FUDless verbage why Futplex did it, and that UMASS Amherst said they didn't want "Political messages" on their web-server, so they booted Futplex. LOL! The most Politically Correct university in the universe doesn't want "Political messages" on their web server! The ganglia twitch... Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Reality is not optional." --Thomas Sowell The NEW(!) e$ Home Page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/

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Futplex makes the news!
by Mike Duvos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

rah(a)shipwright.com (Robert Hettinga) wrote: > I just heard on WBUR (NPR) here in Boston that our own L. (I > know his real first name now...) "Futplex" McCarthy was busted > by the UMASS diginarks for putting "Nazi material" on the > internet. This must be one of those Nazi-mirrors I've been > skipping articles over... Horrors. We seem to be discovering more and more side effects from the defense of free speech for the unpopular. The Holocausta Nostra is cheering wildly at the opportunity to present the works of Mr. Zundel under a banner reading "Nazi Scum". Zundelsites are being set up by people whose views are so disgusting they probably offend even Mr. Zundel himself. And now our very own "Futplex" will have to live the rest of his life branded as a electronic distributor of "hate literature" by the forces of political correctness at UMASS. It may be time to regroup and take inventory of what we are suposedly trying to accomplish here. -- X-Signature: Mike Duvos X-Signature-File: c:\netcom\mail.sig On a completely different note, which I am appending so as to waste as little bandwidth as possible, Cypherpunks messages to my netcom account stopped dead two days ago, and I am getting no response from either majordomo(a)toad.com or cypherpunks-owner(a)toad.com. I am currently reading the list quite nicely on news://news.hks.net/hks.lists.cypherpunks using Netscape so it really isn't a big deal, but I was just curious if there was a routing problem or some other Net glitch. Please EMAIL any replies.

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Re: FEBRUARY MEETING
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, Gary Edstrom pointed out to me that I forgot a minor detail about the upcoming meeting and party--the date. They will be on Saturday 10 February. Sorry about that. S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Call for Demos at Computers, Freedom, and Privacy '96
by Leonard N. Foner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Since 1991, the Computers, Freedom, and Privacy conference has brought together experts and advocates from the fields of computer science, law, business, public policy, law enforcement, government, and many other areas to explore how computer and telecommunications technologies are affecting freedom and privacy. This year, for the first time, it's happening at MIT. I'm helping to coordinate a Technology Fair of interesting demos related to CFP's themes, and I'm soliciting people for neat things they'd like to show. If you think you have something you'd like to demo, please let me know. For more information about the conference, you might want to check out http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~switz/cfp96/ and for information about the demos themselves (including telling us what items you may need us to provide), you should check out http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~switz/cfp96/call-for-demos.html Some examples to get you thinking: . A demonstration of anonymous remailers? . A demonstration of NFS packet substitution on the wire? . Real-time Netscape key-breaking? . A bake-off between some individuals or companies to see who can find out the most dirt on someone the fastest? . Something else? Remember, a lot of the things that Cypherpunks take for granted are relatively unknown even to the type of crowd that goes to CFP; this could be your chance to raise some awareness on these issues, show reporters what can _really_ be done, and so forth. If you'd like to demo (or even if you're just thinking about), please send me mail as soon as possible so we can have time to plan. Thanks!

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PGP "official" logo?
by jf_avon＠citenet.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, somebody wrote >> Just put a "PGP signed" logo <snip> >> This would also have the bonus effect of making PGP more >> visible to the web-browsing public. I'll work on this >> during my.. err.. "spare time". and somebody replied: >Yeah, I like the idea of a standardized logo. A lot. Me too... Some ideas: - ask Phil Z. if he ever devised a PGP logo. - a PGP logo design contest (the prize would be eternal glory and gratitude from all CPunks) In this latter case, the winner might be decided by: - a jury (presided by Phil Z. ?) - a vote of CPunks I think it would not do any good if everybody used their own logo. JFA

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Proxies
by bjohnson＠nym.alias.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I keep hearing references to 'proxies' as a method of anonymity. The only information that I've been able to find, deals with firewalls on networked systems. Are 'proxies' applicable to personal PCs using browsers, such as Netscape? Would appreciate any info or leads to information sources. Thanks in advance, bjohnson(a)nym.alias.net

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RSA disappears :-)
by John Pettitt 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

rsa.com dissapeard from the net! The only valid nameserver for rsa.com is rsa.com and since it's net connection is down anybody trying to talk to www.rsa.com or send mail to rsa is getting host not found errors. :-) -- John Pettitt email: jpettitt(a)well.sf.ca.us (home) jpp(a)software.net (work)

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Re: cypherpunks press
by jrochkin＠cs.oberlin.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Jonathan Rochkind writes: >> The 29 January New Yorker has an article "Hackworm" that discusses the >> Mitnick-Shimomura-Markoff echoing cypherpunks lack of sympathy for the >> Markoff-Shimomura P.R. extravaganza. Article ends mentioning cypherpunks >> and John Gilmore specifically, discussion of crypto politics, while not >> entirely toe-ing the cypherpunks party line, an enhearteningly informed and >> rational treatement. > >Could someone please explain to me why Mitnick is a cypherpunk issue? >Myself, I have neither sympathy nor lack of sympathy for the >Markoff-Shimomura "pr extravaganza", see no "cypherpunk" opinion on >the subject, and don't see any reason we should, as a group, discuss >or care about the topic. > >Perry The article mentions the cypherpunks, and spends a couple pages discusing crypto politics and internet security issues. Like I said, I found it an unusually well-informed article for the conventional press. I thought other cypherpunks list members would be interested in a pointer to it, both because it discusses the cypherpunks list and because it discusses crypto politics in a fairly intelligent manner. And, yes, because it was also about Mitnick-Markoff-Shimomura, and despite your constant protests that it isn't a cypherpunks issue, I know that many on the list disagree and are interested in the issue (and have opinions about it, individually; of course there is no group mind 'cypherpunks opinion'.) And, also, because I think media analysis and issues of what the media is doing and how it works are 'cypherpunks issues'--that is, issues with a direct relationship to the crypto issues often discussed here, and which a large proportion of list members are interested in discussing and hearing about. I don't see why you, Perry, are the arbiter of what is and is not a 'cypherpunk issue'--if there are lots of people interested in discussing a certain issue or type of issue on the list, it's going to be discussed. All you can do is increase the noise on the list even futher by constantly complaining about it. Which you seem to enjoy, so go ahead, I guess.

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Re: Futplex makes the news!
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:47 PM 2/2/96, Richard Martin wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >http://www.boston.com/globe/ap/cgi-bin/retrieve?%2Fglobe%2Fapwir%2F033%2Fre >g%2Fag052102 > >Is an AP report on the at-home censorship. Many thanks for providing this, Richard! I just read it, and it worries me. If UMass has yielded, the prominently mentioned CMU and Stanford sites may be prompted to exactly the same thing. This will "prove" to the Germans that they did the right thing, and be a blow in _favor_ of suppression of speech. I hope some other sites have the mirrored material and are not reeds in the wind as at least one university is. (Did I hear correctly that Futplex has "volunteered" to perform 500 hours of community service at the Simon Wiesenthal Center's Boston office? And that he has volunteered to attend 50 hours of sensitivity training? Or am thinking of Cornell?) Not to make light of this sorry episode, you understand. But my guess is that unless Futplex immediately begins to grovel to the campus bigshots and explain how his judgment was impaired by exposure to fascist Cypherpunks, that his days at UMass as a grad student are numbered. This is the way universities seem to handle these things. --Tim, who hopes he's wrong.... Boycott espionage-enabled software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Futplex makes the news!
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:28 AM 2/3/96, Mike Duvos wrote: >On 2 Feb 1996 19:02:29 -0500, you wrote: > >>I think the whole endeavor was a resounding success, and I wish I had been >>on the ball enough to participate in it. > >[deletia] > >>The important thing is that Rich, Declan, Futplex, and anyone else >>participating showed the world that censorship on the internet, if not >>impossible, is at least a good deal more dificult then people thought. > >Before poo-pooing Tim, declaring victory, and returning home, it >should be noted that German prosecutors today added AOL to the list of >entities they wish to charge with "inciting hatred." > >UMASS will of course test the political waters before taking any >action, but we may yet see the gonads of Futplex hanging from one of >the upper floors of the Graduate Research Center. :) > >Time will tell whether we have won this war, or have simply >encountered a lull after the first onslought by the enemy. Meaning no disrespect to any of my colleagues here, but is there now some sense that "we won"? I don't see it this way. And the Germans don't seem to think they lost. Let's look at where this issue is. The UMass admins yanked the Zundelsite info, Declan has voluntarily withdrawn his ZS info, Germany is accelerating its threats against CS, AOL, etc., and of course the Communications Decency Act is about to be signed into law. Maybe I'm not seeing the Boston-area papers, and their spin on things, but it doesn't seem to me that an anti-censorship interpretation is getting a lot of press. What I am sensing is just the opposite, that a bunch of babykilling Nazis bent on taking over the Internet just had their main Propaganda Center at UMass shut down by the forces of light. This is the spin on the story I'm sensing. (Hate to say it, but the nuances of free speech are lost on most people. To most of them, putting Holocaust denial information on a site is ipso facto proof of genocidal racism. I wouldn't be surprised to see the various groups at UMass foaming at the mouth next week in the campus newspaper to get the "notorious racist" Lewis McCarthy sanctioned or thrown out. University administrators will try to cool things off, but will keep feeling the pressures from various "aggreived" groups until something just has to be done. I've seen this many times at Stanford, UC Santa Cruz, Berkeley, and elsewhere.) Here's to hoping Rich's site remains up. --Tim Boycott espionage-enabled software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Just what the Internet needs right now...
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'll try to see if I can find some bomb-making information from a non-US web site; it may help in counterarguments. Given that I'm still not that good at searching, it would be nice if someone else could locate it also. -Allen Reuters New Media _ Friday Febuary 2 4:54 PM EST _ Boys Arrested for Plotting Bomb NEW YORK (Reuter) - Three 13-year-old boys have been accused of plotting to blow up their school after learning how to build a bomb over the Internet, police said Friday. The boys were arrested Wednesday after other students at Pine Grove Junior High School in Minoa, New York, heard rumors of their plans and police were alerted, said Capt. William Bleyle of the nearby Manlius police department. [...] One of the boys, believed to be the ringleader, admitted to police that the three eighth graders learned how to build the bomb from instructions they found on the Internet, the global network accessible from home computers. ``The information is very easy to find,'' Bleyle said. ''It's at your fingertips. They just called it up.'' He said police found diesel fuel, a bag of fertilizer and other items -- the basic materials to build a bomb-- at the first boy's house. The boys found the information using a computer at home, not at school, said Gary Minns, superintendent of the East Syracuse-Minoa school district, about 250 miles northwest of New York City. The school is not hooked up to the Internet but had been considering it, he said. ``It goes way beyond what we would consider a prank,'' Minns said. ``Especially from Oklahoma City and the knowledge and awareness of the devastation these things can cause, to think they were even considering doing this type of thing is extremely disturbing.'' [...] The three boys had built and tested a bomb in a field behind an elementary school, Bleyle said. That bomb caught fire but did not explode. All three, who are being charged as juveniles, are accused of conspiracy, he said. They have been suspended from school. Police were still investigating their motives, Bleyle said, adding ``It was definitely to effect destruction on the school. It was not an idle threat. There was actual intent to carry this through. The destruction could have been enormous.''

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Re: PGP "official" logo?
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:37 PM 2/2/96, jf_avon(a)citenet.net (Jean-Francois Avon (JFA Technologies, QC, wrote: >Me too... > >Some ideas: > > - ask Phil Z. if he ever devised a PGP logo. > - a PGP logo design contest (the prize would be eternal glory > and gratitude from all CPunks) > In this latter case, the winner might be decided by: > - a jury (presided by Phil Z. ?) > - a vote of CPunks I realize that Phil Z. is an "icon" to many people, but icons sometimes are overrated. In this context, I mean symbolic icons, or logos, e.g., little pictures. Why is an icon or logo preferable to "Begin PGP signed..."? The little rose, or chevrons, or escutcheons, or whatever, then have to be explained to people. "PGP" is actually its own best logo. (There is also the important point that most uses of PGP are in primarily-ASCII settings, in e-mail. Yes, I know that MIME and whatnot can support graphics, but such uses are rare. Look at this mailing list, and Usenet, for examples of how most messages are composed. I routinely delete all messages that have "attachments converted" to them, and others have told me they do the same thing.) Logos and signs typically are useful to attract customers from afar, as with roadside signs, or to establish consumer preference. In the case of PGP, neither situation seems especially germane. Finally, the idea of a "contest" and a "vote" comes up once again. Being an anarchy, no one is stopping anyone from attaching logos to their articles. But I can't imagine a "vote of CPunks." --Tim Boycott espionage-enabled software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Proxies
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:46 PM 2/2/96, bjohnson(a)nym.alias.net wrote: >I keep hearing references to 'proxies' as a method of anonymity. The only >information that I've been able to find, deals with firewalls on networked >systems. > >Are 'proxies' applicable to personal PCs using browsers, such as Netscape? > >Would appreciate any info or leads to information sources. A quick look with Alta Vista for the string "web proxy" reveals 25 articles on Usenet and 200 on the Web, with some of them containing further pointers, definitions, and other helpful information. --Tim May Boycott espionage-enabled software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Looking for GSM A5 info
by Stephan Somogyi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm looking for information about the A5 encryption algorithm used in GSM phones. Specifically: - How does the algorithm work and is its encryption methodology similar to any other well-known algorithms? - Is A5's implementation mandatory to produce an world-wide interoperable GSM device? - What are the variants of A5 (there was some discussion of less secure versions), how do they differ, and where are they used? - Are there any known weaknesses in or attacks on A5-encrypted GSM conversations? - Are there notable instances where GSM deployment was delayed or halted due to A5? (I remember hearing that such a delay happened in Australia, but I don't recall details.) Any related information, or pointers to related information, appreciated greatly. ________________________________________________________________________ Stephan Somogyi Mr Gyroscope Digital Media

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