December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Freedom, Starvation, and Uncoerced Relationships (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Freedom, Starvation, and Uncoerced Relationships > From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) > Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 22:43:04 EST > Evidently some folks on this list do feel that it's possible for the gubmint > to curtail our liberties in some ways and not in others. Phooey. Exactly. And it is as it should be. Consider that speech is *not* equivalent to action (eg. swinging a fist). Running an enterprise or engaging in some activity *is* equivalent to the party swinging their fist. They have a *right* to swing it so long as it *doesn't* interfere in others right to swing their fist *and* the first parties swinging doesn't strike the second party. In short, a party has the right to make as much money as they like, however that right does not extend to the point of inhibiting others from similar opportunities. A free market monopolizes, that monopolization inhibits others from expressing their rights in the same manner that hitting some person in the face inhibits their fist swinging because they are out cold on the floor. As a consequence a free market is inherently inhibiting on free expression - something any self-respecting anarchist won't put up with. So we are left with the very simple conclusion that any anarchist worth the title won't put up with a free market because it creates an environment that creates a monarchy. It is logicaly inconsistent, and philosophicaly nonsensical, to talk about being an anarchist of any ilk *and* talking about supporting free markets. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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A further thought on free markets & anarchy...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Given that anarchist don't support a 'head' in regards to human activities *and* that a free market monopolizes thus creating a 'head' it is clear that if we apply the ideas of human society (ie political systems) to economics we derive a fundamental conflict, that a anarchist in the economic sphere is left with no choice but to agree that economic systems must be managed and creates a 'head' either by plan or monopolistic fiat. Therefore the original thesis that such political models are applicable to economic ones is flawed. It simply is not possible for an economic system to exhist without some sort of 'head' or guiding structure. This is fundamentaly at odds with the definition and spirit of anarchy. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: rant on the morality of confidentiality (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: rant on the morality of confidentiality > From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) > Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 23:48:06 EST > Blanc <blancw(a)cnw.com> writes: > > Initially your argument had to do with secrecy and the need for scientists > > to publish their work so that the scientific community may benefit from it. > > Not just the scientific community... everyone. If an art critic declines > to publish something, its a loss probably only to his fellow art critics, > but if a mathematician or a biologist or a physicist doesn't publish, it's > a loss for more than just his colleagues. I believe this view to be fundamentaly flawed. Consider that if a particular scientist doesn't publish (ala Fermat) then this does not inherently prohibit or inhibit others from deriving the result (lot's of examples so I won't pick a single one). However, when an artist or other practitioner of human expression fails to publish then an item of unique character is lost. Had T.S. Elliot not written 'Old Possum's Book of Practical Cats' it is *very* unlikely that *anyone* in the entire remaining history of the universe would have written those charming poems and we would be deprived among other things of knowing why a cat has three names. In addition, the fact that a given individual finds no worth in why a cat has three names does not change the worth of the insight provided by the author. So, while a given art critics views may not mean much to you this does not justify in any manner trivializing that worth for others. To do so would indicate a personality of extreme hubris and potentialy a severe sociopathy. Expect them to begin walking around with their hand in their vest at any moment. The distinction is that human expression doesn't assume homogeneity nor isotropy as science requires. Rather it assumes a priori that each activity and it's result is unique in the history of the universe and fundamentaly an expression of that *individual* view of experience. That is what art derives it worth from while science derives its worth from the result being the same irrespective of the practitioner. And before somebody brings it up, while reality *is* observer dependant, this is a recognition that the act of testing is fundamentaly a part of the sytsem being tested. The statistical results *are* homogenious and isotropic for observers - Fire in the Deep not withstanding. The end of our exploring will be to arrive at where we started, and to know the place for the first time. T.S. Eliot ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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by ryan＠ntslink.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Zippo censors are losing customers
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <jai(a)mantra.com> writes: > > From: Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> > > > >Zippo is now censoring more people besides Colin. It may sound cheap > >but it's not worth $19/year. > > Now many discussion threads (not spam) are missing from DejaNews also. > They claim to be using "technology" developed by Zippo -- the following > press release is located at: It sounds like dejanews is applying nocem on spool, and also applying old nocems to their historical databases. (Does that include chris lewis's "trollcancels"?) Zippo refuses to accept articles where the From: is one of the many people they've blacklisted for content. See the recent article by Russ Allbery on net.config where he promotes panix's patches to nntp for something similar. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Head up - Press civil rights spin-doctorism...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Check out the current 'Justice Files' on The Discovery Channle. The general gist is that individual prior to being proven a criminal have too many civil liberties and as a result police are hindered in their duties. It'd be pretty funny if it wasn't serious. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Theory Behind USA v. Microsoft (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:13:28 -0800 > From: Bill Stewart <bill.stewart(a)pobox.com> > Subject: Re: Theory Behind USA v. Microsoft > The total amount of actual capital was pretty small - about > 5000-6000 cars at $1000 each, back when that was still real money, Half a million plus dollars is real money now too. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: rant on the morality of confidentiality
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: >Not just the scientific community... everyone. If an art critic declines >to publish something, its a loss probably only to his fellow art critics, >but if a mathematician or a biologist or a physicist doesn't publish, it's >a loss for more than just his colleagues. ......................................................................... There is a sense of loss of valuable information, once you know that it existed before you knew about it. Of course, there are a million and one things that we don't know today that we wish we knew, and which could help everyone who has the need for that special knowledge. 1) But it is also true that the Truth (the facts of nature and principles on what is possible - in mathematics, or any scientific pursuit) does not "go away" simply because one person's discovery is not conveyed to everyone. It remains true and in existence, waiting for anyone else to do the work of discovery, or for mankind itself to evolve into the kind of creature whose mind can grasp the principles involved. It is a loss not to know the achievements of a great scientist's work, but the facts themselves are not lost, they remain available for anyone who can think as well, to find them. 2) Scientists and other very original, competent people like to think they can do as well as any one else, and I imagine sometimes they consider insulting the proposition that they must depend upon the work of another in order to achieve understanding; that without it they would be unable to do as well. Isn't this one of the reasons for some of the conflicts between scientists over originality, and the jealousy over recognition? I went to an exhibit yesterday of Leonardo da Vinci, where I saw the 400 year old Codex Leicester. He was "a keen observer" of Nature, and from his detailed studies he learned much which provided his inventive mind with much material for creative works. The exhibit brings to mind not only his work, but the methods of such a great mind in reaching those heights and breadths. So in relation to this debate on the morality of not sharing: would it not be as good a thing to look toward method - to value and promote the ability to know how to think, how to observe properly, how to understand what is before oneself - than merely to consider ourselves dependent upon the _result_ of the work of certain others, bewailing their insensitivity when they fail to share with us what they obtained for themselves? Because this does go in the direction of thinking in terms of "obligation", which is rather unappreciative of their unique & separate identity. .. Blanc

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Re: rant on the morality of confidentiality (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:17:40 -0800 > From: Blanc <blancw(a)cnw.com> > Subject: Re: rant on the morality of confidentiality > I went to an exhibit yesterday of Leonardo da Vinci, where I saw the 400 > year old Codex Leicester. He was "a keen observer" of Nature, and from > his detailed studies he learned much which provided his inventive mind with > much material for creative works. The exhibit brings to mind not only his > work, but the methods of such a great mind in reaching those heights and > breadths. Which one was it? I had the privilege of working on the IBM Leonardo exhibit when it was in Austin at Discovery Hall about 10 years ago. Part of my duties was to repair two of his models (the 'turtle' tank & his composite ship hull design) and got a real appreciation of his skills. There was a show on one of the cable science shows about Leonardo week before last. You might want to review your schedule and catch it. I found it quite entertaining and educational. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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openworld, inc.
by Ryan Lackey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Has anyone looked at these people? They seem to be selling turnkey systems for offshore digital commerce, among other things, which I believe is fundamentally interesting. However, they seem like they're involved in several traditional weird Government-affiliated international business startup/consulting group/etc. projects, like educational resources, and from what I remember of a Tim May response to them, they seemed to believe money laundering/thoughtcrime/etc. was morally reprehensible and the duty of technical people to prevent (I may be wrong, he may be wrong, they may be wrong...) [ObNonCrypto: I picked the 3-pin Medeco lock on the front of my IBM RS/6000 320 today. I was just kind of sitting here with my new picks and wrench and was bored and poking around, and I got it to go from Secure to Normal. Luckily the lock turns both ways, since I was picking it backwards :( I've been thinking about and off and on trying to pick it for several months now -- it's a pretty impressive lock for the case on a workstation. 3-pin Medecos are a pale comparison to the real ones, though. Guess what locks I will specify from now on...] -- Ryan Lackey rdl(a)mit.edu http://mit.edu/rdl/

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by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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More on the DES II contest.
by Trei Family 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Douglas F. Elznic and Lucky Green have both written saying that www.distributed.net will not be devoting their full effort to the DES II challenge. This is incorrect. www.distributed.net is a highly centralized effort, in which clients are almost completely controlled by the central site, with which they are in frequent communication. Over the past few weeks, the clients have been upgraded to a version containing dual search cores - they can search either rc5-64 or an arbitrary DES key. On the morning of the 13th, as soon as the DES II challenge data becomes available, their servers will stop issuing rc5-64 blocks and start issuing DES II blocks. The clients will all switch over to the DES II contest without any action by the owners of the client machines. I too would like to see a serious effort made at a 512 bit RSA key. However, the infrastructure for this is quite a bit more complex than a simple bruteforce against a symmetric key, and the organizers of d.n don't seem to be ready for it. My greatest fear with DES II is that if d.n finds the key early in the search, they may decide to sit on it until just before the 540 hour deadline. If they are the only group with a credible chance of finding the key (as far as I know, this is the case), then their payback is maximized by by this tactic, since the time limits for the June contest are determined by the speed with which the key is found in January. My personal impression is that d.n seems more motivated by the money, which they want to further their research on distributed computing, than they are by ideology. The above represent my personal, private views, and should neccesarily be attributed to my employer. Peter Trei trei(a)ziplink.net ptrei(a)hotmail.com (more reliable next week)

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Re: rant on the morality of confidentiality (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: rant on the morality of confidentiality (fwd) > From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) > Date: Sun, 11 Jan 98 10:08:56 EST > David, you need to learn to read. > > "Art critic" != art, just like "lit crit" != literature. And you need to pay more attention as well. Being an art critic does not exclude the art in the act of critical review. The expression of emotional and intellectual consequence of the piece under review requires a creative act just as valid as the creation of the piece under review. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: rant on the morality of confidentiality (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: rant on the morality of confidentiality (fwd) > From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) > Date: Sun, 11 Jan 98 09:51:22 EST > You don't seem to realize that the likelyhood of someone independently > rediscovering a "lost" math result is much less than the likelyhood of > two people independently creating substantially similar works of art. Malarky, the history of science (and of human civilizations) is replete with example after example of idividuals discovering the same basic theme and its proof. Just the three examples we have been using (Newton, Gauss, Fermat) are filled with comments about contemporaries discovering the same result. Review Darwin for a moment, he chose to share the fame for evolutionary theory with Wallace because he had reached the same conclusion. Had either Darwin or Wallace not chose to publish the result would still have been found and shared. > For example, all of T.S.Elliot's poetry is substantially similar to > Walt Whitman's poetry. They are, for most intents and purposes, mutually > interchangeable. (Emily "lick my bud" Dickinson is almost interchangeable.) Only in the context that they are both poets who write poetry. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Eternity Services (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:39:00 -0800 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Eternity Services > under privacy laws, the ECPA, etc. We have not seen any major court orders > directed at remailers, but I expect them soon. Tell that to Julf. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Congratulations!
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Dimitry Vulis need attention again
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Adding SSL to things
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:11 AM 1/11/98 -0500, Ryan Lackey wrote: >Does anyone know of a way I can take a web server, say AOLserver, which >does not support useful SSL, and also does not distribute source, and >retrofit a useful 128-bit SSL implementation to it? It has a C API, but >I haven't looked at the API enough to see if I could do it within the API. >Are there any proxies which could be stuck between the insecure server >and the user (preferably with an ssh link between the servers) which could >provide SSL proxy service? It seems like this should be trivial to do, >but I haven't tried yet, and I want to have some reedeming value for this >post.] Why not just get a server that _does_ have useful SSL support, like Apache-SSL (for non-US freeware) or Stronghold (for US commercial use)? There are workarounds out there for undersecure clients, like SafePassage and some German Java applet, but that's the easy side. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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GPS Jamming [FWD]
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I think this might have been mentioned in a CP thread sometime back. At least it should have ;-) --------------- Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:29:14 +0000 From: "Marcus L. Rowland" <mrowland(a)ffutures.demon.co.uk> Subject: GPS Jamming *New Scientist* (8 Jan 1998, http://www.newscientist.com) included an article saying that a Russian company called Aviaconversia was offering a 4-watt GPS/Glonass jammer for less than $4000 at the September Moscow Air Show. It says that it could stop civilian aircraft locking onto GPS signals over a 200 Km radius; military aircraft would be harder to jam, but a more powerful unit could be built. The risks (terrorism etc.) are fairly obvious, and it's mentioned that it would probably be easy to build one even if this company's product is somehow removed from the market. Marcus L. Rowland http://www.ffutures.demon.co.uk/ ------------- GPS uses a wideband Direct Sequence Spread Rectum technology. DSSS, as implemented in GSP, is excellent for distance an direction finding due to its inherent, very accurate, time base. In order to conserve satellite power and provide a reasonable signal level at small (e.g., handheld) receivers, it spreads a low data rate signal over wide band, achieving a 63dB 'process gain' (equivalent to about a 2 million fold increase in receive signal level). DSSS signals (in general) can be jammed by very narrow (e.g., CW or continuous wave) carriers, especially pulsed, with relatively modest power. GPS includes significant provisions for anti-jam and although I haven't done a detailed analysis, I'd be surprised if a 4-watt transmitter would render a 200 km radius unfit for GPS navigation. See "Spread Spectrum Communications Handbook," ISBN 0-07-057629-7. --Steve PGP mail preferred, see http://www.pgp.com and http://web.mit.edu/network/pgp.html RSA fingerprint: FE90 1A95 9DEA 8D61 812E CCA9 A44A FBA9 RSA key: http://keys.pgp.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=index&search=0x55C78B0D --------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Schear | tel: (702) 658-2654 CEO | fax: (702) 658-2673 Lammar Laboratories | 7075 West Gowan Road | Suite 2148 | Las Vegas, NV 89129 | Internet: schear(a)lvdi.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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