December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

reasons for local eternity proxies (Re: remailer resistancs to attack) (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:42:52 GMT > From: Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> > Subject: reasons for local eternity proxies (Re: remailer resistancs to attack) > > (Reason for local news feed being preferabl is that it protects the > NNTP traffic which would otherwise allow eavesdroppers to observer > which articles you were reading. SSL is only a partial solution > because you are then trusting the SSL NNTP server operator.) >From a criminal perspective is it really important to know what you were reading but rather what you were generating? Using Van Eck it would be much easier and cheaper to determine what you were reading than spend the money, physical resources, and people time to figure it using traffic analysis. It's more incriminating to prove you sent a request for illicit data than you downloaded it. Sending it out shows premeditated intent. Simply downloading it shows only curiosity with no other evidence. Simple traffic analysis will determine your sourcing data even if it is fully encrypted. > Local servers don't generate any traffic, "local server" is really a > misnomer, it is a local proxy for reading news... it presents a view > of USENET articles which makes them appear as web pages. It keeps > copies of those web pages more up to date versions are read in news, > this allows fast access to the web space. I point my local news readers at my ISP's news server so I don't flood my link with several gig's of traffic a day. This is the primary objection to hosting a 'real' local news server - the bandwidth and hardware resource issues place it outside of most peoples financial ability. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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PEOPLEFINDERS
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: search(a)peoplefinders.net >Sender: search(a)peoplefinders.net >To: <aztarman(a)aol.com> >Reply-To: search(a)peoplefinders.net >Subject: PEOPLEFINDERS >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 05:35:48 -0500 > >Imagine finding old friends, classmates, long lost relatives, old shipmates, ex-husbands, ex-wives, old girlfriends, or old boyfriends... > >WE FIND PEOPLE > >No matter why you are looking we can help. We utilize only ethical and legal means. Nothing is obtained though any illegal means whatsoever. > >The explosion in on-line information has allowed us to build an extremely powerful database searching program specifically designed to locate people... > >We search over 90 data bases instantly -- electronically searching virtually every clue that a trained gumshoe might think of -- and then some. > >PUBLIC RECORDS ARE AVAILABLE > >No doubt you have read that information about you and almost everyone else is available on-line. Its TRUE! Every time you renew your drivers license, apply for credit, order goods my mail or subscribe to a periodical, the information about who you are and where you can be found is created. The information is not always free -- but it is certainly out there -- readily available to anyone who knows how and where to look. > >If fact there is entirely too much information available! Huge amounts of data make searching for your piece of the puzzle exceedingly difficult. > >WE HAVE AUTOMATED THE PROCESS > >Our computers search in a systematic automated way for the information you need. Without an organized and automated search program you would literally drown in the data. Which state's motor vehicle records would you check first? What if it cost some money? > >We know where to look -- we have been locating people for years working with insurance companies, collection agencies and attorneys. If a public record is available we will know about it, and we will have the access necessary to get results. > >LOW COST! > >Our highly organized and automated structure allows us to work for our clients on a person by person basis for a very low cost -- $19.00 per search payable by credit card or check. Not bad considering that access to some of the 34 states who offer DMV information on-line can cost upwards of $200 per year. And private detectives can charge $200 per hour!!! > >WHAT YOU GET > >The basic search results will give you the name and address of the person you are searching for. The cost for this basic service is $19.00. 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If E-mail is more convenient, just complete the form below and reply to search(a)peoplefinders.net, or if you prefer, you can mail your request to: PeopleFinders, Inc. 11 East 36th Street, 10th Floor, New York, NY 10016. > >REMEMBER - IT'S GUARANTEED > >If you are not satisfied within 30 days from the time you receive your results -- we will refund your money!!! > >ORDER FORM > >PLEASE ATTEMPT TO LOCATE THE PERSON LISTED BELOW. (PLEASE PRINT CLEARLY) > >1. SUBJECT COMPLETE NAME: _____________________________________ > (middle initial helps) >2. LAST KNOWN ADDRESS: _____________________________________ > >3. CITY, STATE AND ZIP: _____________________________________ > >4. LAST KNOWN TELEPHONE: _____________________________________ > (include area code) >5. SUBJECT DATE OF BIRTH: _____________________________________ > (approximate is OK) >6. SUBJECT SOCIAL SECURITY NO.: _____________________________________ > >7. 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PeopleFinders, Inc. will quarry their data bases and attempt to locate the person. If successful, PeopleFinders will deposit my check or charge my credit card. I agree that I have thirty (30) days to request a full refund if I am not satisfied with the results. I hereby authorize PeopleFinders to charge my credit card. > >AUTHORIZED SIGNATURE: _________________________________________ > >PRINT this page and mail or fax the order form to: > >PeopleFinders, Inc. >11 East 36th Street, 10th Floor >New York, NY 10016 >FAX (212) 213-3320 > >Additional information available at (212) 213-3000 Ext. 1900 or via E-mail - search(a)peoplefinders.net. Thank you. > >//////////////////////////////// > >If you wish your name removed from all future mailings - simply reply to this message with "REMOVE" in the subject line. Thank you. > >//////////////////////////////// >

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Re: Where for lunch on Tue.? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > That could explain why every girl he gets dumps him in less than a month... > > He's cheap which means he shows up with wilted flowers and day-old bread. > Also explains why he can't keep people out of his crease, he uses them old > dull skates. Sorry, that wasn't supposed to go out to you folks....I think I'm about to get my butt kicked...;( ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Where for lunch on Tue.? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:25:13 -0600 > From: Kenneth Zuber <kzuber(a)us.itmasters.com> > > I heard you weren't good either..... > I guess you get what you pay for > > Sean Starke wrote: > > > > > Tivoleers, be advised...he's looking to pick at least one of you up... > > I may be cheap, but I'm not free... That could explain why every girl he gets dumps him in less than a month... He's cheap which means he shows up with wilted flowers and day-old bread. Also explains why he can't keep people out of his crease, he uses them old dull skates. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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UPDATE!! BAY AREA CYPHERPUNKS MEETING, SATURDAY 1/17, OAKLAND
by bill.stewart＠pobox.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sameer asks that, due to building access limitations, everybody please show up by 2pm to be sure the guards will let you in, and "humor building management and sign in as requested by the guard". And there's a parking lot on Franklin between 12th and 13th, which is a block or two east/south of Broadway. > The January Bay Area Cypherpunks Meeting will be Saturday afternoon > at C2 Software's office in Oakland. > > Agenda: Export Laws - Lee Tien and Greg Broiles > Work in Progress > Lots of discussion from RSA Conference. > > Time: 12-6pm followed by dinner - program starts at 1:00 > Location: C2Net Software, Inc. 1440 Broadway Suite 700, Oakland, CA > Phone: (510) 986-8770 Fax: (510) 986-8777 > Public Transportation - about two blocks from the 12th St BART station. > This is the best way to get there from San Francisco, > and parking for BART trains is easy. :-) > Driving - From South - take 880N to Broadway exit, about .9 mile, park > From San Francisco - Take the Bay Bridge to Grand Ave, > turn right on Telegraph and continue on Broadway. If you find yourself on 980, 11th or 12th goes to Broadway. > > Map URL: http://www.mapblast.com/yt.hm?FAM=mapblast&CMD=GEO&SEC=find&IC=0%3A0%3A5&IC… Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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New Software Controls
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

TH points out that there's a broad new provision in the BXA Wassenaar rule for controlling telecommunications software under Category 5, Part I - Telecommunications, quote: You might want to highlight the following section ... not sure of the entire context ... but this isn't something that I'd seen before. It looks like control of any software that can transmit data. c.3. ``Software'' which provides the capability of recovering ``source code'' of telecommunications ``software'' controlled by 5A001, 5B001, or 5C001; For the citation see: http://jya.com/bxa-wa/cat51.htm#5D001c3 --------- We've broken the rule into several components for easier access to the Commerce Control List revisions. See: http://jya.com/bxa-wa-rule.htm

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Fwd: Skiing
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- Date: 01/16 8:27 AM Received: 01/16 5:18 PM From: Patrick McGarvey, mcgoo(a)worldnet.att.net To: Brian Riley, brianbr(a)together.net Subject: For the skier in us... > > What's the difference between John Denver and Michael Kennedy? > John Denver made it alive out of Aspen. > Has Elton John re-written any of his songs for Michael Kennedy? > Not yet, but he's done one about the tree: "I'm Still Standing" > How can you be sure that Michael was really a Kennedy? > Check the family tree. > How will the priest begin Michael Kennedy's eulogy? > "We are gathered here together on this slalom occasion...." > A simple accident? Some witnesses insist there was a second tree at > the snow-covered knoll... > What do Michael and JFK Jr's magazine "George" have in common? > * Wood pulp. > > New bumper sticker...."Plant A Tree....Kill A Kennedy...." > What's an event you don't want to be at? > * A Michael Kennedy New Year's Bash > What will it take to reunite the four Kennedy brothers? > A1: One more bullet. > A2: A season lift pass. ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher regard those who think alike than those who think differently." -- Nietzche

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Adult Mail................Are you man enough?
by Wombat＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Genetic & Tissue Engineering - The Learning Channel
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, FYI The show that was mentioned the other night regarding tissue and limb growth was shown tonite on The Learning Channel from 9pm to 10pm central. If you're interested check your schedule for a repeat. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Deriving economic profits from writing FREE software?
by igor＠Algebra.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, At my leisure, I write free software. One of these programs is the usenet moderation bot STUMP. Right now I am writing another free program. I feel perfectly comfortable with the idea that I will not CHARGE money for these programs; for one, I am a beneficiary of a multitude of excellent free programs written by others, and just as well i realize that selling them would be more of a hassle than it is worth. My another pet idea is that programming is poetry, and therefore a person who only writes commercial software is almost surely going to lose whatever gift in programming that he had from God. However, aside from the psychic benefits, I would like to somehow derive an economic profit from being a freeware author. So far, I feel that the status of the author of a popular package does sound good on a resume, but it is as far as I could get. Does anyone else feel the same way? Has anybody come up with a way to cash in on the free programs that he writes? Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} \=/, _-===-_-====-_-===-_-==========-_-====-_ | @___oo ( )_ /\ /\ / (___,,,}_--= ) ) /^\) ^\/ _) =__ Anything is good and useful if ) ) /^\/ _) (_ ) ) _ / / _) ( ) /\ )/\/ || | )_) (_ it's made of chocolate. ) < > |(,,) )__) ( ) || / \)___)\ (_ __) | \____( )___) )___ -==-_____-=====-_____-=====-___== \______(_______;;; __;;;

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Microsoft Metaphors
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > What are the best metaphors to use when talking about a browser > > and an operating system? Is the combination like a car and an > > engine, or a car and a roofrack? A pair of gloves? > >In this specific case it's more like garbage in a trash can. Nah. In this specific case it's more like shit and a toilet. Or if you wanted to get a bit obscure you could say that Windows is like LSD. It kills brain cells, attracts the really stupid in addition to the occasional person with a clue, and the typical user has random flashbacks when put in front of any computer at all. It has no useful purpose beyond making the user feel really good, costs a lot, and is dangerous to your (mental) health. It's produced, handled, and sold by a huge cartel (Microsoft) who shoots (runs out of business) anybody who opposes them. Those the cartel doesn't shoot they bribe (buy). And users enter into temporary or in some cases permanent fits of stupidity and hysteria during which they are a danger to anyone around them, particularly if they're armed (have a bulk mailer or platform-specific "web authoring tools" which produce crappy HTML).

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Kaczynski attempts suicide
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I don't get it. The guy is facing the death penalty, and now they're >trying to keep him alive. It's typical government arrogance. They can kill but nobody else can. And they demand that when they consider murdering somebody that the target not murder himself. Stupidity.

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CAD Stego
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This repeats a suggestion from 1994 about using computer assisted design programs to conceal text or other data: 1. CAD uses vectors to make graphics, including text, and most programs can import a wide variety of data from other formats. 2. Several features can manipulate CAD objects into unrecognizable forms by modifying scale, dimension, orientation, opacity and so on. 3. The scale feature is useful to reduce, say, a text of any length, or any digital object, to the size of a pixel. This pixel can be located, say, under a visible line, or, be made transparent as a "phantom" object. (An engineer "stipples" concrete with microdot exotica and lofts the docs to the Saudis, getting paid ten times the regular fee.) 4. Or, the text can be distorted by scale and dimension to appear to be a line serving another function. 5. It's a snap to encrypt the text and import it into CAD via several programs that do that duty. Then the message could be distorted or hidden as described above, for piggy-backing on an innocent- looking document issued, say, to GSA for replenishing the Blanco Bunker, where it would be opened by the cp insider-sou-chef for de-distorted, decrypted instructions on how to prepare and place the bean. 6. To be sure, the underlying CAD code of the ciphertext could be identified by an astute auto-message-vetter of the EOP and then the CADbreakers would be beckoned to the roachtrap. 7. Big shortcoming: how to securely transmit the location (virtual coordinates) of the hidden message and what modifications need to be reversed for message access. Beware of using 0,0,0 -- a near-universal data point for CAD docs. However, 0,0,2^50 miles might be overlooked if the 3d view is disabled. 8. Medium shortcoming: Full-featured CAD programs are expensive, however, the popular lite versions are cheap and can usually read the pricier output.

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call for proposals: "Media, Democracy and the Public Sphere" inJune 1998
by Bill Frantz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I wonder what these peoples' take on the Internet is? If the net isn't a "democratic public sphere", what is? >Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:56:01 -0800 (PST) >Reply-To: cda96-l(a)willamette.edu >Originator: cda96-l(a)willamette.edu >Sender: cda96-l(a)willamette.edu >Precedence: bulk >From: "T. L. Kelly" <room101(a)teleport.com> >To: Multiple recipients of list <cda96-l(a)willamette.edu> >Subject: call for proposals: "Media, Democracy and the Public Sphere" in >June 1998 > >The Union for Democratic Communications (UDC) invites participation in >its next international meeting, June 11-14, 1998, in San Francisco, >California, addressing the topic "Media, Democracy and the Public >Sphere." > >UDC welcomes papers, audiovisual works, panels, workshops and projects >that break with traditional, monological approaches, to promote dialogue >and interaction around questions of critical communications and media >activism, as suggested below. Please send proposals for presentations >by no later than MARCH 1, 1998, to: > > Prof. Bernadette Barker-Plummer > 1998 UDC Conference Chair > Department of Communication > University of San Francisco > 2130 Fulton Street > San Francisco, CA 94117 > email: barkerplum(a)usfca.edu > >The UDC steering committee suggests the following perspectives on the >conference topic, "Media, Democracy and the Public Sphere": the mass >media are flourishing today; a democratic public sphere is not. What, >then, are the possibilities of resolving the conflicts between a "mass" >media and a "democratic" public sphere? > >Facets of this question which participants may wish to address include >the concept of "the public interest"; the role of public media systems >in the creation of a democratic public sphere; the role of media policy >in helping or hindering democracy; the role of media in >(trans)national"democratization" processes; the dissemination of radical >claims through alternative, community and mainstream media; the ways in >which the everyday media practices of the public help or hinder the >creation of a democratic public sphere; the education of media workers >in the interest of democracy; and the utilization of information >technolgies for and against democracy. > >The host institution is arranging affordable conference housing on the >campus of the University of San Francisco, which, however, requires >timely registration. Please send in your proposal early to faciliate >rapid notification of acceptances in early March! The San Francisco >host committee is also scheduling plenary sessions with featured >speakers and joint evening outings into the city. This promises to be >an very engaged and productive gathering of international media >activists, practitioners, theorists and historians. Please contact Prof. >Barker-Plummer, conference chair, with any questions: > barkerplum(a)usfca.edu > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | All politicians should ski.| 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: Hi :-)
by Important.News＠hotmail.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Eureka! Sun Jan 18 '98
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Re: Nanotechnology
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> 1 coulomb/second = 6.24 x 10^18 atoms/sec. Assuming an atomic spacing > of roughly 10^-10 meters, at that rate it'd take you about 18.5 days to > construct one side of the cube with a thickness of 1mm, or almost four > months to build another cube. I'd guesstimate another 4 months to build > the electronics for it. And then you'd need some way to assemble the > pieces. ok, but how do you build a 10-cm cube inside of a 10-cm cube? :)

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Re: Nanotechnology (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:22:59 +0100 (MET) > Subject: Re: Nanotechnology > From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) > > 1 coulomb/second = 6.24 x 10^18 atoms/sec. There are a couple of things incorrect with this. A Coulomb is 1N of e-/s, not atoms. N atoms is called a Mole. N, or Avagadro's Number, is 6.023E23 not 6.24E18 ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: how to release code if the programmer is a target for (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:12:08 -0800 > From: Jonathan Wienke <JonWienk(a)ix.netcom.com> > Subject: Re: how to release code if the programmer is a target for (fwd) > However, if Alice has had my key for 6 months, and has verified the > signatures on 100 of my Cypherpunks posts, and my signature on GunzenBombs > Pyro-Technologies latest checks out, she can be pretty confident that I > actually signed it. On the other hand, if she didn't already have it, and > got a fake key and document from Mallet, Alice would not be able to use the > fake key to verify the signatures on my prior Cypherpunks posts. This > ought to be a red-flagged clue that something is rotten in Denmark... That's all fine and dandy, however, we *are* talking about an eternity server architecture that delivers documents to an end user in a secure manner on demand with no mechanism, by design, to determine the original source. In this case there would by definition be *no* history to verify against. It is in fact this lack of history from the users perspective that causes the authenticity problem in the first place. Further, a point that seems to have been forgotten, we are talking about signed and not encrypted documents. Of course there are some similar problems if we do include the encryption of the data itself into the protocol. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________| ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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REPLY to Mitchells RESPONSE.
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Saturday 1/17/98 3:37 PM John Young Attached is our REPLY to Mitchells RESPONSE. Morales will have it filed on Tuesday. Monday is MLK day. Morales will send a FILED stamped copy to you. Later bill UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF NEW MEXICO William H. Payne ) Arthur R. Morales ) ) Plaintiffs, ) ) v ) CIV NO 97 0266 ) SC/DJS ) Lieutenant General Kenneth A. Minihan, USAF ) Director, National Security Agency ) National Security Agency ) ) Defendant ) REPLY TO DEFENDANT'S RESPONSE TO PLAINTIFFS' MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT BASED ON EVIDENCE FROM ADMISSIONS 1 COMES NOW plaintiffs Payne [Payne] and Morales [Morales] [Plaintiffs], pro se litigants to exercise their rights guaranteed under the Constitution, Rules of Civil Procedure, and Local Civil Rules to respond to Defendant's MOTION filed on 98 JAN-5 within the 14 days allowed by local rule 7.3(b)(4). 2 US Attorney Mitchell [Mitchell] writes, Counsel for Defendant was not served with copies of any of said Requests for Admissions until sometime after the individuals had been served.2 Mitchell WAS SERVED PLAINTIFFS' FIRST SET OF REQUEST FOR ADMISSION TO NSA DIRECTOR KENNETH MINIHAN I HEREBY CERTIFY that a copy of the foregoing request for admissions was mailed to Jan Elizabeth Mitchell, Assistant US Attorney, 525 Silver SW, ABQ, NM 87102 this Monday November 3, 1997. Michell was not served with any other admissions since Mitchell is not representing others. Plaintiffs' served Defendant Minihan properly. And Minihan failed to respond to Minihan's admissions within the time allotted by law. 3 US Attorney Mitchell writes, As grounds for the Motion and Memorandum, Defendant argued that Plaintiffs had blatantly disregarded this Court's Order pertaining to the conduct of discovery and the deadline for discovery in this Freedom of Information Act action. Judges Svet and Campos willfully violated Plaintiffs' right to Discovery. And thereby earned criminal complaint affidavits filed with judge Scalia of the Supreme Court. 4 US Attorney Mitchell writes, In Defendant's Motion and Memorandum, Counsel for Defendant also objected to Plaintiffs' sua sponte decision to modify the Court's June 11 Order to reflect the delay of the Court's October 7 Order and the establishment, without leave of this Court, of new deadlines for discovery, motions practice, and the filing of the PreTrial Order. (Motion and Memorandum 9, at 4.) Judge Svet and Campos attempt to deny Plaintiffs' right to Discovery, again, earned Svet and Campos criminal complaint affidavits. Plaintiffs exercise their right under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and the Constitution to conduct Discovery WITHOUT LEAVE OF COURT! 5 US Attorney Mitchell writes, By their own request, Plaintiffs sought to stay a ruling on the Defendant's Motion and Memorandum. Absent any ruling on either the Motion and Memorandum or Plaintiffs' Response, Defendant Minihan, employees of NSA, and employees of Sandia National Laboratory, were not obligated to respond to the Requests for Admissions as provided by Fed.R.Civ.P. 36.3 For Plaintiffs to now assert in their "Motion for Summary Judgment On Based On Evidence From Admissions" that because the individuals have not responded to the Requests for Admissions they are deemed admitted, flies in the face of their own prayer to this Court to stay a ruling on the Defendant's Motion to strike the Requests for Admissions until the Supreme Court takes action. Plaintiffs' have REPEATEDLY asked judge Svet and Campos to disqualify themselves from any rulings on this case because Campos and Svet do NOT obey the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. Replace judges Svet and Campos because these judges have demonstrated, IN WRITING, they do not follow the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. Plaintiffs' pleas are directed a replacement judge[s]. Not Svet and Campos. Therefore, Svet and Campos' failure to remove themselves does not stop the legal process. Mitchell cites NO law to support her claim that time constraints imposed under Fed.R.Civ.P. 36.3 are inapplicable as a result of Svet's and Campos' failure to remove themselves. 6 US Attorney Mitchell writes, Defendant requests that this Court either rule upon Defendant's Motion and Memorandum granting the request to strike the Requests for Admissions, or grant Plaintiffs' request to stay this action pending the issuance of the order sought by Plaintiffs in another forum. Should this Court deny Defendant's Motion and Memorandum, Defendant respectfully requests that the individuals to whom Requests for Admissions are appropriate in this action be given the thirty days to respond to said admissions as provided by the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. REPLACEMENT JUDGES of the Court should realize the outcome of the lawsuit has attained international interest as a result of the 1 bungled NSA spy sting on Iran 2 US government agencies NSA, NIST, and the FBI's attempt to control cryptography. Mitchell's DEFENDANT'S RESPONSE TO PLAINTIFFS' MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT BASED ON EVIDENCE FROM ADMISSIONS was posted on Internet at jya.com, click cryptome nsasuit8.htm USA/NSA Responds to Payne/Morales Motion January 16, 1998 Importance of this posting is summed-up in the Toronto Sun, Jan. 11, 1998 US, Iran Need Each Other by Eric Margolis Iran launched a surprise charm offensive last week, throwing Washington into serious confusion. In a lengthy interview on CNN, Iran's new president, Mohammad Khatami, skillfully analyzed the bitter relations between the two nations and cautiously extended an olive branch to Washington, calling for an end to their 19-year cold war. Khatami's diplomatic ju-jitsu flummoxed the Clinton administration, which was busy trying to rally international support against Tehran - and to overthrow Iran's elected government. Both capitals are split over the question of relations. In Washington, the military establishment and conservative Republicans have inflated Iran into a bogeyman to justify military budgets and keep U.S. forces in the Mideast. ... America incited Iraq to invade Iran in 1980. They did this to crush the Islamic revolution, then provided massive war aid to Saddam Hussein. Half a million Iranians died. The US got caught involved in genocide. Using high tech. This is one subject of this lawsuit. Albuquerque Journal Tuesday 1/13/98 carried the editorial. Khatami Move Is Profile in Courage Richard Reeves Syndicated Columnist LOS ANGELES - If an American leader had done what Iranian President Mohammed Khatami did last Wednesday, it would have been hailed as a profile in courage. ... Miscalculation! We armed and pampered Saddam Hussein in the hope that Iraq would destroy Iran. Now that's policy and behavior to think about. Here is something to think about: If Presidents Eisenhower and Kennedy had pursued any kind of sensible policy toward Cuba and Fidel Castro - opposed to the policy of trying to assassinate him - there never would have been a Cuban missile crisis. I think Iranians have financed and encouraged terrorism against the interests of the United States and Israel. I would not be surprised at all if something like proof emerges soon, perhaps anonymously, from the CIA and other government agencies, where many officials have built their careers on sanctioning and isolating Iran, to try to straighten the backbones of the president and people of the United States. If they succeed, America fails. What would be more effective in closing down Iranian terrorism? More hostility, sanctions and charges? Or beginning the process toward more normal relations with a country positioned and born to be great? ... Clearly genocide fits into Now that's policy and behavior to think about. The wired world is watching what this Court, hopefully minus judges Svet and Campos, will do. What is there to be? A series of possibly unfortunate events? Or does this Court order release the lawfully requested documents to help settle this American tragedy? WHEREFORE. 7 Have replacement judges of this Court DENY Mitchell's Plaintiffs requested a stay. Absent a ruling from this Court denying their request, they cannot proceed to assert that the Requests for Admissions are deemed admitted. Accordingly, Plaintiffs' "Motion For Summary Judgment On Based On Evidence From Admissions" must be denied. for reason that Mitchell's request to subvert both the Discovery processes and its time limits have no basis in law. And appears to plead to judges who do not obey the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. 9 IMMEDIATELY ORDER Defendant to release the requested documents in the interest of national safety so that this matter can be settled. Aggrieved victims of US genocide are reading these pleadings. Respectfully submitted, _________________________ William H. Payne 13015 Calle de Sandias NE Albuquerque, NM 87111 _________________________ Arthur R. Morales 1024 Los Arboles NW Albuquerque, NM 87107 Pro se litigants CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE I HEREBY CERTIFY that a copy of the foregoing memorandum was mailed to Lieutenant General Kenneth A. Minihan, USAF, Director, National Security Agency, National Security Agency, 9800 Savage Road, Fort George G. Meade, MD 20755-6000 and hand delivered to John J. Kelly, US Attorney, 525 Silver SW, ABQ, NM 87102 this Tuesday January 20, 1997. 5

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Re: how to release code if the programmer is a target for (fwd)
by Ryan Lackey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

<daemon(a)ATHENA.MIT.EDU> (Jim Choate) writes: > > That's all fine and dandy, however, we *are* talking about an eternity server > architecture that delivers documents to an end user in a secure manner on > demand with no mechanism, by design, to determine the original source. In > this case there would by definition be *no* history to verify against. > > It is in fact this lack of history from the users perspective that causes > the authenticity problem in the first place. Further, a point that seems > to have been forgotten, we are talking about signed and not encrypted > documents. Of course there are some similar problems if we do include the > encryption of the data itself into the protocol. Eternity delivers data. It's up to the user to verify that the data is what they want, be it PGP signed by the pope, a working cryptosystem, or whatever. In this sense, it's no different than random email or whatever as an untrusted transport medium. The original question was how to verify the eternity server source code. I assume the following: * a potentially corrupted author (give rdl $100 000 and he'll probably make a minor modification which has no apparent mal effects, give him $100 000 000 and he'll be a hired gun). The author is optionally anonymous. * A community of publically-known cypherpunks and code-verifiers, not all of which are corrupted, but some of which may be. * A random user who has the public keys of at least (thresh) number of the cypherpunks, optionally the key of the author of the document/product before the system becomes questionable, perhaps by looking in the NY Times for 1 Jan 1999 which has a full page ad taken out by Cypherpunks Anonymous with the PGP public keys for the 100 leading cypherpunks. * The piece of code to be verified is bloody long, that is, longer than any one cypherpunk can afford to verify alone (shooting practice, installing the minefields and poison gas sprinkler system, etc. take lots of time) * The user can tell by visual inspection that a small compilation system does what they want it to do, and can understand basic logic enough to tell what signatures imply. Then: 1) The author releases the code into the network in an optionally anonymous way. There is no reason to trust the code -- even if it is signed with rdl's eternity dds signing key, no one has any reason to believe that it isn't an NSA front, since rdl is assumed to be corrupt, signing anything put in front of him (as long as sufficient money is put there too) 2) The user wants to run the code, because it's Just That Cool. 3) No one can verify the entire code. So, Cypherpunks begin signing small sections of the code with their own previously-established key. Their keys are established as their reputation is established on the list, or perhaps by personally meeting these people, in the traditional PGP web of trust scheme. There is no central Cypherpunks Registry, just a decentralized mesh. 4) The user executes the compilation script. This script looks at the pgp signatures, sees which ones it can verify from keys it already has accepted as valid by (3), and, if there are verified good keys from at least the minimum number of people in every critical section of the code, it is added to the compile-me-source-tree. If there are enough people for every critical section (the user defines all aspects of this), the source tree is set up for compilation, and compilation can proceed. The user knows that every piece of the code in the system has been verified to their standards -- even if the author of the code is an evil NSA sleeper agent, it has gotten by independent review by at least a user-defined-number of people per section. I fail to see how the specifics of Eternity are relevant -- it's just basically a PGP web of trust issue. The transport is irrelevant -- it's untrusted code until it's been verified by people the user trusts. Implementing a keyserver in Eternity has the same issues -- you still need to deal with the PGP web of trust issues. Signing my secret alias key with my own key as the only signature and uploading it to eternity would fail to provide privacy, just as it would if I posted it anonymously to the mailing list. One working system is the buildup of "reputation capital" by an identity using the key. Again, this is entirely irrelevant to the Eternity server -- verifying document authenticity is better handled at the client side. Eternity should be set up so as long as your ecash is good, your document is stored -- if I want to store my document under the name "disney's greatest hits" when it really contains necrophilic kiddie-porn and microsoft warez, that's my business. The client software for interacting with Eternity, however, might do well to have a good document authentication interface. And perhaps third-party authentication services could pop up, willing to sign documents that just meet gross criteria for valid indexing. You could then download the key for that service somehow, then use the service happily. The abstract issue has been beaten to death on cypherpunks many times. I just assert that Eternity is no different from "the Net", "the Web", "remailer networks", "Blacknet", etc. in issues of document verification and anonymous reputation capital. -- Ryan Lackey rdl(a)mit.edu http://mit.edu/rdl/

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Re: how to release code if the programmer is a target for (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: how to release code if the programmer is a target for (fwd) > From: Ryan Lackey <rdl(a)mit.edu> > Date: 17 Jan 1998 19:07:10 -0500 > Eternity delivers data. It's up to the user to verify that the data is > what they want > The original question was how to verify the eternity server source code. How are these fundamently different? Assume for a moment that as a user of an eternity server the source is the data I want. > I assume the following: > * a potentially corrupted author (give rdl $100 000 and he'll probably > make a minor modification which has no apparent mal effects, give him > $100 000 000 and he'll be a hired gun). The author is optionally > anonymous. The point I am making is that whether the author is corrupt or not is irrelevant. > * A community of publically-known cypherpunks and code-verifiers, > not all of which are corrupted, but some of which may be. Ok. > * A random user who has the public keys of at least (thresh) number of the > cypherpunks, optionally the key of the author of the document/product before > the system becomes questionable, perhaps by looking in the NY Times > for 1 Jan 1999 which has a full page ad taken out by Cypherpunks Anonymous > with the PGP public keys for the 100 leading cypherpunks. Pretty expensive and rather unrealistic I suspect. Where does this random user come from? What is '(thresh)'? What good would an anonymous key signature provide? You can't verify it within the web of trust model, that would imply the author wasn't anonymous which takes us back to the 'friends' attack. How do we know that some number of these cypherpunks aren't turned? Are you proposing that the user test all 100 of the signatures? Which realisticaly is the only way to verify any given one of them. Not very many people will go to that extreme simply for grins and giggles. > * The piece of code to be verified is bloody long, that is, longer than > any one cypherpunk can afford to verify alone (shooting practice, > installing the minefields and poison gas sprinkler system, etc. take > lots of time) The standard is programs over ~10k lines is not comprehensible by a single individual on a line by line basis. > * The user can tell by visual inspection that a small compilation > system does what they want it to do, and can understand basic logic > enough to tell what signatures imply. 'small compilation system' of what? What who wants it to do? The author? Mallet? The end user? > Then: > 1) The author releases the code into the network in an optionally > anonymous way. There is no reason to trust the code -- even if it > is signed with rdl's eternity dds signing key, no one has any reason > to believe that it isn't an NSA front, since rdl is assumed to be > corrupt, signing anything put in front of him (as long as sufficient > money is put there too) It isn't the key of the author or the eternity server that is under attack by Mallet. It is the security of the individual user who is under assault. > 2) The user wants to run the code, because it's Just That Cool. We're talking here about users who want to get data that is illegal or otherwise incriminating or dangerous to one group or another. In particular let's consider the situation of a Lebanese freedom fighter in Isreal or perhaps a 'Free Burma' revolutionary in China. > 3) No one can verify the entire code. So, Cypherpunks begin signing > small sections of the code with their own previously-established key. > Their keys are established as their reputation is established on > the list, or perhaps by personally meeting these people, in the > traditional PGP web of trust scheme. There is no central Cypherpunks > Registry, just a decentralized mesh. Which doesn't effect the ability of Mallet to resign that code at the users end in order to break the users local security. > 4) The user executes the compilation script. [material describing script verification deleted] Mallet can re-write said script, especialy with the sorts of latency that the Eternity Server forces on the end user, such that it is consistent with the bogus keys the end-user gets. It is simply much easier to write scripts in a day than say 10 minutes. > I fail to see how the specifics of Eternity are relevant -- it's > just basically a PGP web of trust issue. The transport is irrelevant -- > it's untrusted code until it's been verified by people the user > trusts. The end user may not have people available to trust is the point. The reason the transport mechanism is relevant is that it is much easier to spoof a verification script if the user is not going to be surprised with 24 hour turn around on requests, whereas a responce time measured in minutes lessens the window of opportunity to Mallet significantly. It may come as a surprise to you and others but not everyone in the world can pick up a phone and call a 100 people all over the world and not raise some suspicion. > Implementing a keyserver in Eternity has the same issues While it is perfectly permissible to design Eternity or any data haven with inherent key servers, I believe it is a bad idea from a design perspective because it makes the code even larger, decreases the potential for monetary motives for indipendant key servers to appear, and if the server is compromised then the key server is also. It is more expensive if Mallet can be forced to deal with two indipendenat operators then a single monolithic operator. [rest deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. 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uh,
by wabe 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--What is that weird lawsuit all about wheresome director of the NSA is getting sued forsomething? Does anyone know?-wabe --digsig EojdyErVslc/s6aQeIHwnOlMw3lUKJhdZc/ZeCNfe7H L4ctAUj8gI6C830BTXaeFrhHME7aCeT3ev4HKbeT 4HICjjQYriAdlICrERT+zrSEtB1bkK+b6iRoC6a0y

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Eternity - an alternative aproach (take 2)
by Kay Ping 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Romeo, she is a female Homo Sapiens, not a full rotation of the Earth during the season when the incident solar radioation is at a higher angle" "Yes, I know that. It was just a metaphore." I got several comments about my posting, all of them about the possibility of detecting the location of radio transmitters or receivers. You just didn't get it, did you? I was using radio as a METAPHORE for the use of broadcast to provide anonymity to receivers and packets with false source addresses for the anonymity of transmitters. You can read the original posting at http://infinity.nus.sg/cypherpunks/current/0107.html ----------------- Kay Ping nop 'til you drop finger kping(a)nym.alias.net for key DF 6D 91 18 A6 59 41 96 - 89 01 69 B7 9D0 4 AE 53

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