December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Rethinking the utility of netnews "cancel" control messages
by Erik E. Fair 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:34 10/5/95, Rich Salz wrote: >I would like to put my corporate legal infrastructe on an internal secure >conferencing system. News (with crypto-signed articles) is ideal. >Without a "destroy all copies" concept I cannot do this. > /r$ This, presumably, is a lawyer, discovery, lawsuit thing, right? Erik

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AEgis Windoze PGP Shell (with location...sorry)
by Adam Philipp 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Aegis can be reached at: http://iquest.com/~aegisrc/ sorry for leaving that out las time.... -Adam -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMHOOA2/ZTaRmpgTFAQFioQf/WYR7o5SACijZpdZ1XZHtP4X/BXprVkVV /GX/eB8jbkDaCffuIWoz34dxN5PpSXQPAbE53ZGcJEiIuYdl9CLloJj12yZFS3Bx wa0988Fz374xmgL2VA6HllQwTBjab7v6vk565RG+Rtf7t7DWGIORP5WFDbDKJ4FR yhxnPhFi/LA20aBrBjY9bfPMuFdUm+teBVjzNsgGmsTQov72iosuMh0IYhqcaBpR ndaRdpp1ntcD6A2xPn+wfEYLcLUR34YbJVHmYwN3WJuhbNbhS4x4Aa0KFE9Sbi5W bYt9wnqE0+uywTJb2Z8WUaH+0UfgeE/GNZvDe8jEp6oSUhaBs0R0LA== =9ZIj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\ |PGP key available on my home page|Unauthorized interception violates | | http://www.rosa.com/~adam |federal law (18 USC Section 2700 et| |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|seq.). In any case, PGP encrypted | |SUB ROSA: Confidential, |communications are preferred for | |secret, not for publication. |sensitive materials. | \-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-/

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is this a bug of Netscape
by John Cheng 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If you go to http://c.gp.cs.cmu.edu:5103/prog/webster, you will get a input textbox and two buttons, leave textbox blank and push Look Up Definition button, you will get a GPF? I am using Netscape V1.2N for windows. Sorry if you have knew it. J

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Oct 14 mtg - focus on java
by mrm＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi - The Oct 14 cypherpunks meeting will be focussing on Java topics. I'm putting together an agenda, and finalizing the meeting location. It looks like we'll have someone from the Java group at Sun to talk about what the current Java security policy is, and about Java and HotJava security mechanisms. Doug Barnes and Amanda Chou will talk about JCrypt, which is a set of Java wrappers for existing C encryption routines. If you'd like to talk at the Oct 14 meeting, please send me email with a description of your project, and I'll schedule you in. I'll send out mail early next week with the agenda, and letting you know where the meeting will be held. I'm trying to get a large conference room at one of the Sun facilities. Marianne mrm(a)netcom.com mrm(a)eng.sun.com

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NetManage & Cylink Crypto
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

NetManage & Cylink In Internet Encryption Deal Guildford, Surrey, England, Oct 5 -- NetManage, a TCP/IP specialist company, has signed a licensing deal with Cylink Corporation. NetManage says the Cylink public key cryptography technology will be incorporated in future editions of NetManage's Internet applications software. The move is significant since it marks the beginnings of a competitor to the Netscape "secure" Web browsing software, which has had two security flaws identified in recent weeks. Initially, NetManage's Chameleon Enterprise TCP/IP applications suite will incorporate the Cylink public key encryption technology, and later will include encryption facilities in Internet Chameleon, a UKP139 PC-Windows access suite designed for dial-up access to the Internet. Both NetManage and Cylink plan to support an open interface for Internet security which addresses the flaws found in Netscape. The idea is to establish an open set of standards to which Internet access packages of all types will adhere to, and so ensure that companies developing Internet software do not "re-invent the wheel" when writing their software, and possibly open their applications up to flaws. According to NetManage, establishing a secure Internet connection requires an Internet application to perform two functions: authenticating the user, and encrypting the data flow. The link with Cylink will allow NetManage to license and include the Cylink public key encryption technology in its applications with a variety of ciphering systems to be used in the NetManage suite, including: DES, Triple DES, Safer, IDEA, Skipjack, RC-2, and RC-4. NetManage claims the current implementations of security proposed as standards by Netscape and RSA Data Security are flawed, and fail to fully accommodate "open and interoperable secure communications" between computers which use different bulk encryption ciphers. These problems, the company claims, have limited the adoption of Internet security as a widespread interoperable feature of all Internet software and hardware products, including end-user applications, servers, firewalls, and secure routers. Later this month, NetManage and Cylink plan to announce a next-generation "plug and play" Internet encryption system. The implementation will be open and will not lock software or hardware developers into the use of encryption technology from any one vendor, as is the case with Netscape, say the companies. The related APIs, key exchange technology, and encryption, will be made publicly available to other software and hardware vendors. Licensing will include source code and no per-copy royalty fees. Further information can be downloaded from NetManage's World Wide Web site at <http://www.netmanage.com>. Contact: NetManage Europe, +44-1483-302333; NetManage US, 408-973-7171.

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Re: Comments on STT Spec Implementation Details
by anonymous＠robo.remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Responding to msg by perry(a)piermont.com: [snip] >The belief that companies can make more money by >following proprietary solutions and imposing them on >the world as standards is falling away. It is in >Microsoft's interest that the standard that is adopted >for commerce be open, publically discussed at length, >and brutally critiqued. Losing a bit of control in >exchange for actually getting something that works out >for you and your customers is in your interest. The spew through the proprietary dike on this is swelling: MasterCard's consortium yesterday and the NetManage/Cylink today both emphasize public availability of specs in counter-response to the flaws helpfully discovered in Netscape by the ever public spirited cypherpunks. Whether any of these vaunted "superior" systems respond to attacks as constructively as Netscape will be the challenge. BTW, has anyone reviewed the promised MasterCard specs supposedly released on Tuesday?

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Secure Drive questions...
by Ray Arachelian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I recently got me a much larger hard drive and would like to encrypt more than one partition using SecureDrive. I'm using an old 1.1 version which, when I log into one partition, the others vanish. I'm using the same passphrase on both paritions. I've never upgraded because the previous version did what I wanted it to do very well and I have never had a problem with it. I've noticed that on some machines SecureDevice failed where SecureDrive 1.1 worked perfectly... So I've stuck with that... but now, I'd rather not join the two partitions together if I can help it... too much work to copy everything off, repartition, restore, etc... (This is a 1.2Gb WD Caviar drive using the Disk Manager crud that makes the drive visible to DOS by loading some DMDRVR.BIN driver only - my BIOS only sees 550Mb or so without it...) Is this a question of upgrading, if so, what's the latest version? And are there any catches, snags, or problems to watch out for before I potentially kill my drives? :-) A few more questions, I've left a bit of space for me to experiment with something like OS/2Warp or Win95 or even Netware 4.1 (got a cool 2 user license for $50 from Novell I'd like to install.) Now while OS/2 and Win95 can see FAT partitions, what will stop them from trying to run something like chkdsk on it? Can I load the secure drive tsr to keep the encrypted drive safe with those operating systems? (I know Netware will keep its mits off non-Netware partitions, so that's a safe bet - but then I don't have another PC to use as a host so this will be a clientless server. Just want to experiment with it I guess... :-) I'd also consider messing with NT, I have enough RAM and space, but anyone know a place I can get a good price for it? $400 is a bit steep for an OS I probably won't do much with. And YES, I will install Linux - soon as I can get it to recognize my I/O-less FutureDomain clone SCSI controller. (It's based on the 950 chip, no I/O address, uses int 15 and DMA for transfers..) Works okay under Coherent - then again, I'm using the IDE controller under Coherent... :-) The SCSI FD controller is for the CDROM drive... ========================================================================== + ^ + | Ray Arachelian | Amerika: The land of the Freeh. | _ |> \|/ |sunder(a)dorsai.org| Where day by day, yet another | \ | <--+-->| | Constitutional right vanishes. | \| /|\ | Just Say | | <|\ + v + | "No" to the NSA!| Jail the censor, not the author!| <| n ==========================================================================

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Re: NSA Realists v. Nuts (Was: Re: Crypto APIs)
by David Van Wie 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Perry E. Metzger wrote: >The real problem with the NSA is the same as the problem with the FBI >re: digital telephony. They've gotten used to a certain model of how >the world works and rather than adapt to new times where most people >have access to strong crypto, they have decided to use the laws to try >to retard the inevitable. Perry is absolutely right about this. We have been living in a "golden era" for the FBI and NSA. By analogy, we have also been living in a golden era for physicians: during the last several decades (in the developed world anyway) we have relied on antibiotics to the point where they are taken for granted. This time has passed, and there is no going back. The Golden Age of Antibiotics is over. Similarly, the Golden Age of Wiretaps is over. No amount of wishful thinking and convoluted logic can put the genie back into the bottle. An attempt to (in effect) make certain types of mathematics illegal will only serve to knock us out of our technological leadership position, not make our country safe from terrorism and drugs. Given a world in which strong crypto is actually used, and that use is illegal, how can a government make the punishment fit the crime? Would all use of illegal cryptography be treated as though there was an actual threat of terrorism? The death penalty? This is, of course, an absurd point of view. The government could no more accomplish this than they could make muttering over the phone (thereby defeating a plaintext wiretap), or the use of obscure language (such as Native American dialects) illegal. It just doesn't hang together as a rational approach. Like physicians, the FBI and the national security operations must devise alternative schemes to combat the real "enemy," terrorists and drug dealers -- not mathematicians and ordinary citizens trying to have a private conversation. The suppression of basic rights that would be required in any attempt to overcome the "force of nature" that is human knowledge would make a mockery of our "inalienable rights" as free people to conduct our lives without fear of the overbearing scrutiny of unrestrained government. dvw

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Re: NetManage & Cylink Crypto
by Andrew Loewenstern 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous wrote: > The link with Cylink will allow NetManage to license and include > the Cylink public key encryption technology in its applications > with a variety of ciphering systems to be used in the NetManage > suite, including: DES, Triple DES, Safer, IDEA, Skipjack, RC-2, ^^^^^^^^ > and RC-4. Hey, this is interesting... will Skipjack be included in future NetManage products or is this press-release only mentioning Skipjack as an example of a possible encryption algorithm for use with NetManage? andrew "Gentlemen, start your disassemblers."

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Re: Certificates, Attributes, Web of Trust
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 7:11 PM 10/5/95, Jeff Weinstein wrote: > How about if the systems allows you to get a certificate that >has any name in it that you want, where the issuer makes no >claims about the identity of the owner of the certificate? >How about if the software lets the user decide which CAs they >will accept certificates from? Given these two features, >would you still consider requiring a certificate to be bad? Let's make sure what we mean by these two points: 1. "...allows you to get a certificate that has any name in it that you want, where the issuer makes no claims about the identity of the owner of the certificate?" I would expect that a certificate for "%63rrW209neU6q!" would be issuable for a miniscule amount of money, and as many of these as are desired. (No, I'm not saying "Verisign" must offer certificates for very low cost, only that there be no built-in costs, or built-in time delays and processing delays, that would prevent "Tim's Really Cheap and No Questions Asked Certificate Service" from issuing such certificates, cheaply and rapidly (in seconds, or less, as some applications will need this, if other services "demand" certificates). 2. "...software lets the user decide which CAs they will accept certificates from?" Fine, provided the following CAs are acceptable: -- an "automatic" certificate granter, essentially meant only to satisfy protocols which require certificates -- a certifier for the Mob, which sells certificates for some fee -- the application itself should be able to generate certificates immediately...call this the "null certification." It is true that some of these example seem to "undermine" the whole purpose of certificates, but this is precisely my point: if I want a key to be certified, I will determine the conditions under which I want it to be certified. Other parties are free to meet my conditions if they wish to do business with me, or not, as the case may be. The "null certification" is thus very important. Naturally, I think this null certification makes the idea of _requiring_ certification moot. Will Netscape allow this? --Tim May Views here are not the views of my Internet Service Provider or Government. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Rethinking the utility of netnews "cancel" control messages
by Rich Salz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Look just replace "cancel" with "mark as worthless and sign". Then No. Replace cancel with 1. Legal wants you to destroy this document 2. The site security officer wants you to destroy the document 3. The license has expired and you must destroy the document and so on. I don't think my life has been all that interesting, but I've had all of those things happen. Of course there is no guarnatee that indiviuals don't have private copies, etc., but you have this situation currently and it works. Replacing cancel with setaside makes Usenet architecture useful for many business semantics/requirements. That's not something I'm willing to trade away and I am surprised that others would... /r$

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Re: Rethinking the utility of netnews "cancel" control messages
by Rich Salz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sigh. >Replacing cancel with setaside makes Usenet architecture useful for >many business semantics/requirements. That's not something I'm willing to Sigh. useLESS for many ...

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Re: Simple Hardware RNG Idea
by norm＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Simon Spero writes: .... > What about a beam of high intensity ionising radiation aimed at the > detector? .... You presumably use the oddness of the count for your random bit in some predetermined time interval. External radiation can change, but not bias the parity. If the counter saturates, the counter may be biased towards one parity but the software can easily detect saturation presuming it gets the count. You can use the source in a smoke detector.

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GC Tech GlobeID pilot
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Sender: pays(a)edelweb.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 00:46:46 +0100 To: Amir Herzberg <amir(a)watson.ibm.com> From: pays(a)gctech.edelweb.fr (Paul-Andre Pays) Subject: GC Tech GlobeID pilot Cc: e-payment(a)cc.bellcore.com, ietf-payments(a)cc.bellcore.com, www-buyinfo(a)allegra.att.com As it seems everyone is broadcasting URL about electronic payment systems, let me propose http://globeid.gctech.fr/cgi-gid/welcome?Language=English which does no lead to a specification but the Globe Online, Globe ID pilot setup By GC Tech. Sorry only a few pages are available in english by now. English and some other languages wil be available within a few weeks Sorry again, but because real content is and will be available we commited to deliver only a few hundreds Web Wallets for this pilot. You can still use the web form to apply for one... -- PAP _________________________________________________________________________ PAP: paul-andre.pays(a)gctech.edelWeb.fr tel: +33 1 34 52 00 88 fax: +33 1 34 52 25 26 GC Tech "The Globe Online and Globe ID Technology Company" http://www.globeonline.fr/ http://www.gctech.fr/ --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Shipwright Development Corporation, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA (617) 323-7923 "Reality is not optional." --Thomas Sowell >>>>Phree Phil: Email: zldf(a)clark.net http://www.netresponse.com/zldf <<<<<

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(cpx) Mastercard, IBM, Netscape, CyberCash and GTE publish SEPP
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text To: e-payment(a)cc.bellcore.com, ietf-payments(a)cc.bellcore.com, www-buyinfo(a)allegra.att.com Subject: Mastercard, IBM, Netscape, CyberCash and GTE publish SEPP Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 16:12:23 -0400 From: Amir Herzberg <amir(a)watson.ibm.com> MasterCard's Secure Electronic Payment Protocol is now available on the WWW at http://www.mastercard.com/Sepp/sepptoc.htm (without the `l'). This protocol is based on iKP but includes much more details. You can download it from the page above until we `re-hash' it into Internet Draft form. Comments are very welcome, and I suggest we use the e-payment mailing list for them (until an IETF working group is formed). I believe that the publication of this spec and the STT spec suggests that we should in fact proceed now with establishing a working group. So, I plan to submit an updated charter soon... Comments on it are also welcome. Best, Amir Text version of the page: Secure Electronic Payment Protocol Specification The development of electronic commerce is at a critical juncture. Consumer demand for secure access to electronic shopping and other services is very high; merchants want simple, cost-effective methods for conducting electronic transactions; financial institutions want a level-playing field for software suppliers to ensure quality products at competitive prices. The next step to achieving secure, cost-effective on-line transactions at a rate fast enough to satisfy market demand, is the development of a single, open industry specification. The generally accepted process for developing a technical standard or specification within an industry is comprised of five steps: Collaboration of interested parties Preparation of the document Availability of the document for comment Modification of the document based on the comments Publication of the document for implementation. In a effort to develop a specification for securing bankcard transactions over the Internet and other open networks, IBM, Netscape, GTE, CyberCash and MasterCard have cooperatively developed the following draft document, which is now available for review and comment. Each company brought unique and valuable experience to the effort. The result of this collaboration is Secure Electronic Payment Protocol (SEPP) an open, vendor-neutral, non-proprietary, license-free specification for securing on-line transactions. Currently in draft form, this document is available for review and comment by all interested parties. It also will be sent to Internet standards-setting bodies, including the Internet Engineering Task Force. Once comments are received, modifications will be made and a final document will be published in the public domain. Access to SEPP Specification This specification is structured in five files in order to make downloading easier: Preface: This file provides an overview of the entire SEPP document. Postscript (.Z), Postscript (.zip), Postscript (.hqx), Mac OS (Word 5.1[.hqx]) If you'd like to browse just this part, Click Here. Part 1 - Business Requirements: This file defines the major business requirements for secure electronic payments. Postscript (.Z), Postscript (.zip), Postscript (.hqx), Mac OS (Word 5.1[.hqx]) Part 2 - Functional Specification: This file contains the functional specification for the payment process and the certificate management system. Postscript (.Z), Postscript (.zip), Postscript (.hqx), Mac OS (Word 5.1[.hqx]) Part 3 - Payment System Specification: This file defines the detailed design for the payment system. Postscript (.Z), Postscript (.zip), Postscript (.hqx), Mac OS (Word 5.1[.hqx]) Part 4 - Certificate Management Specification: This file defines the detailed design for the Certificate Management System. Postscript (.Z), Postscript (.zip), Postscript (.hqx), Mac OS (Word 5.1[.hqx]) --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Shipwright Development Corporation, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA (617) 323-7923 "Reality is not optional." --Thomas Sowell >>>>Phree Phil: Email: zldf(a)clark.net http://www.netresponse.com/zldf <<<<<

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The Intelligence community -- some interesting web pages
by John Gilmore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I particularly liked the NSA surrogate home page under the second URL. --John From: farber(a)central.cis.upenn.edu (David Farber) Try looking at http://www.awpi.com/IntelWeb/ -- IntelWeb - The WWW Site of Intelligence Watch Report (IWR) and http://www.fas.org/pub/gen/fas/irp/ -- Project on Intellience Reform federation of American Scientists

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Insiders vs. Outsiders...a Nice Metaphor
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:03 PM 10/5/95, Carl Ellison wrote: >Crypto is used for making sure that insiders get in while outsiders are >kept out of encrypted files/messages. > >Strong crypto does a better job of keeping outsiders out. > >Things like TIS CKE are mechanisms for making sure that insiders continue >to get in, in spite of mishaps with their keys. > > >Any such system can be evaluated on its technical merits (does it really >separate the insiders from the outsiders as well as it claims to?) (does it >survive various disasters (because if it doesn't survive, it can't keep >insiders in)?) > > >This is a separate topic from GAK -- which boils down to the Government's >claim that it should be listed as an insider for everybody. > > >That's what needs to be brought to everyone's attention. This is a very nice metaphor for what is going on. It also touches on some of the issues about key certification. The issue of who a person is has nothing to do directly with whether they are an "insider" or an "outsider." (In fact, who a person "really is" is almost beside the point.) --Tim May Views here are not the views of my Internet Service Provider or Government. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: GC Tech GlobeID pilot
by Jay Campbell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> http://globeid.gctech.fr/cgi-gid/welcome?Language=English >Sorry again, but because real content is and will be available >we commited to deliver only a few hundreds Web Wallets for this >pilot. You can still use the web form to apply for one... Except for this clause... | Caution: Following form is provided for demonstration purpose only. | If you really want to participate to the Globe ID electronic wallet pilot | program, please contact Mr. Pierre Edelman or GID95(a)GCTech.fr. On the surface, this doesn't look much different than First Virtual or any of the myriad other "let me hold your credit card number for you" sites. -- Jay Campbell - Regional Operations Manager -=-=-=-=-=-=- Sense Networking (Santa Cruz Node) edge(a)you.got.net "Shoot the Fruit Loop" 408.469.9400 "On the Information Superhighway, I'm the guy behind you in this morning's traffic jam leaning on his horn."

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Re: The future will be easy to use (fwd)
by Ed Carp 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> To: stevenw(a)best.com (Steven Weller) > Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Re: The future will be easy to use (fwd) > Reply-to: perry(a)piermont.com > Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 08:29:10 -0500 > From: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry(a)piermont.com> > > Steven Weller writes: > > >Realisticaly, who in their right mind would buy a diskless workstation to > > >connect to Internet? > > > > The same sort of things could be said of the telephone compared with > > written correspondence. Why would anyone have one in their business or > > home? Anyone can overhear a conversation, people will just chat, the only > > thing you can do with it is talk, there is no record of the correspondence, > > why would anyone want to talk to people on the other side of town? etc. > > This is different. In an era of distributed processing, they are > returning you to the mainframe model. I don't see that this can work > very well. Considering how much more powerful a $1000 machine is, why > would you want something half that price that can do one hundredth as > much for you? I beg to differ. Even though Larry Ellison's idea is silly, I don't see it as returning us to the mainframe model. Rather, I see it as just a small step backwards. Right now, I've got a 486/DX2-66 with a paltry 50 MB HD on my desk at work. Most of its processing is done loading stuff off the LAN and running it locally. The fact that I have a local disk nakes not the slightest bit of difference except a boot-time. If the diskless workstation were to have *no* intelligence whatsoever, I'd agree with you. As to diskless workstations being of no value, again, I'd have to disagree. Diskless workstations, expecially X terminals that have a little NVRAM in them, have been rather popular for several years as a way to get graphical objects onto people's desks without having to shell out a ton of money in the process. The only reason that they're getting less popular is that PC prices have fallen dramatically for the past several years, so much so that it's cost-effective to put a DX2-66 with 8 MB of RAM and a little disk (or no disk at all) on someone's desktop as opposed to something from Network General. Me, I'm waiting for the day that someone gets clever and puts Linux into ROM. :) Java is starting to get really hot, so much so that I was telling my spouse that if she wanted to learn Java, she'd have steady contracts in the next year or so, even in the sticks of Dallas ;) The point is, the market for a cheap, fast PC that will run applets *is* there, or will be soon. I only hope that they make it upgradeable, so *I* can put that 5 GB array on it, and beef up the memory without having to take a second mortgage to do it.

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PGP hooks for Pegasus Mail?
by Ed Carp 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anyone done anything regarding PGP hooks into Pegasus Mail? I'm running it at home now (SLIPped into my Linux box), and I'd like to find a way to integrate PGP into Pegasus Mail. Thanks in advance for any replies... -- Ed Carp

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NAV_dat
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Zero Kelvin crypto but The NYPaper hisses 28 Nov: The US Navy is starting to release a treasure trove of physical data about the sea that was gathered in secrecy during the long decades of the cold war, exciting scientists who see it as a bonanza for understanding environmental change. Over the decades, the Navy deployed thousands of ships, airplanes, submarines and satellites to collect such data. Usually kept secret, the archival readings are seen as unrivaled yardsticks for judging long-term processes of global climatic change and planetary warming. A geophysicist said the value of that data for scientific and commercial exploitation is measured in billions of dollars. "Scientific Utility of Naval Environmental Data," a June, 1995, 52-page appraisal by the Medea scientific advisory group, is available for free by telephoning (703) 883-5265 voice or (703) 883-6190 fax. NAV_dat (13 kb)

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Re: PGP hooks for Pegasus Mail?
by Lynne L. Harrison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:52 AM 11/28/95 +0000, you wrote: >Anyone done anything regarding PGP hooks into Pegasus Mail? I'm >running it at home now (SLIPped into my Linux box), and I'd like to >find a way to integrate PGP into Pegasus Mail. > >Thanks in advance for any replies... Ed - I haven't heard of anything re: "PGP hooks into Pegasus Mail". At one time, Eudora and ViaCrypt were discussing it but, from what I heard, those discussions fizzled out. The easiest way to *integrate* is to use a front end program. Regards - Lynne ******************************************************* Lynne L. Harrison, Esq. | "The key to life: Poughkeepsie, New York | - Get up; E-mail: | - Survive; lharrison(a)mhv.net | - Go to bed." *******************************************************

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Re: The future will be easy to use
by Jonathan Zamick 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:56 PM 11/26/95, James A. Donald wrote: >At 01:12 PM 11/27/95 -0800, Jonathan Zamick wrote: >> it >> means forming a group, made up of Cypherpunk members perhaps, but much >> smaller, and capable of working together. Also capable of handling not only >> the theory, but good solid code, GUI, PR, meetings, talking to the >> government, etc. > >Skip the talking to the government bit: Ignore, do not confront. I can't agree. The model of a successful enterprise includes feedback from different levels of participants. Regardless, the government will be taking a role in encryption. Thus even if they aren't a defining part of the development, bringing them to a limited extent into the loop, and finding even small areas which the government would support, helps provide better buy-in by the government officials who participate, helping the momentum. The point isn't to bring them into the design, but simply to use their feedback to optimize our PR approach. Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ..Jonathan Zamick Consensus Development Corporation.. ..<JonathanZ(a)consensus.com> 1563 Solano Ave, #355.. .. Berkeley, CA 94707-2116.. .. o510/559-1500 f510/559-1505.. ..Mosaic/WWW Home Page: .. .. Consensus Home Page ..

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Re: The future will be easy to use
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"raph(a)c2.org" "Raph Levien" 27-NOV-1995 17:11:37.38 It _is_ doable. I know the skill is out there. Wei Dai, Eric Young, Peter Gutmann, and others have proved themselves quit capable of writing good solid code. Sameer Parekh has done an incredible job with PR. Phil Karn, Dan Bernstein, and some others (who I'm not sure want to be named) are talking to the government. GUI I'm less sure about, but I'd hope that some cpunks would come out of the woodwork. ------------------ If you'd like a non-programmer user to test out the user interface, I'm available to some degree if it's usable on a VAX (and to a lesser degree for MS-DOS). Given the number of people like me who are interacting using a non-GUI interface for various reasons (including using a mainframe for email), I would suggest not making it specifically GUI-dependant. -Allen

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Re: Bitbux could eliminate some domestic currencies?
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"frantz(a)netcom.com" 27-NOV-1995 02:55:15.66 Gresham's law says that the bad money drives the good money out of circulation. Does this mean that real cash is better than ecash ;-). ------------------ You may realize this (due to the smiley), but what Gresham's law says is that hard to distinguish bad money druves good money out of circulation. If something is distinguishable, then it works the other way around (see the replacement of the ruble by the dollar in pre-modern Russia, for instance). -Allen

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