December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: CIA & Espionage
by hallam＠w3.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 11:16:01 -0400 From: hallam(a)w3.org >In a german weekly news magazine (Focus 34/1995, p. 178-181) I read an >article about industrial espionage. It is said that the secret >services have lost their main task when the east/west cold war had >gone. Their new task is the industrial espionage. The russian, french, >and american services were referenced in the article. The cold war isn't so decisive. Much of espionage has always been industrial. I is an essential component of political espionage in any case. Millitary espiong may get the headlines but the bulk of the work is trawling through trade stats and various open networks in embassies etc. In any case with the breakup of the USSR there are now more states to watch and because they are unstable more need to watch them. Phill

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17 Dec '03

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ECONOMIC ESPIONAGE?
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 22:22:13 -0700 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: tcmay(a)got.net (Timothy C. May) Subject: Economic Espionage? At 1:25 AM 8/31/95, Tatu Ylonen wrote: >> >It was said that Pres. Clinton had given a speech while >> >visiting the CIA HQ in Langley/Virginia. He allegedly >> >said in this speech that obtaining industrial >> >informations has the highest priority and this were the >> >new task for the spies. > >There was a fairly large article about this in Helsingin Sanomat, the >largest newspaper in Finland, some weeks ago. It was quoted as being >originally from the New York Times. (I have the clip saved at home >and can check the date if anyone is interested.) > >I do find it rather shocking that the most powerful country in the >world sets industrial espionage as the primary task of their >intelligence services. What confirmation can you give us for this statement? I'd like to see the actual comments, not just second-hand reports. The issue of economic surveillance has come up several times, and I know of no formal policy to institute such a program. The U.S., with generally multiple competitors in each market, would have a hard time figuring out who to tell "foreign secrets" to. Would Ford be told? Or just General Motors? What about companies with operations in multiple countries? Former DIRNSA (Director of the NSA) William Odom has said repeatedly that economic espionage cannot plausibly be a central task of the NSA. Before anyone accuses me of being an apologist for the NSA (usually these claims arrive anonymously), I've been looking for evidence of an economic intelligence role or mission of the U.S. intelligence agencies for more than 7 years. Let's see some evidence. --Tim May ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Article in the Guardian (UK) about Hal2 not bad ....
by piete.brooks＠cl.cam.ac.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 08:00:07 +0100 From: Piete Brooks <Piete.Brooks(a)cl.cam.ac.uk> An article by Azeem Azhar on page three of today's "The Guardian Online" (he tells me it is available only in paper form !) is fairly positive. He puts over the main point: "since US government regulations prevent the export of software that uses stronger cryptographic techniques".

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FVG ??
by Asgaard 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.fvg.com In Santa Fe (?). What kind of joke is that? Is this what Java is for?? Asgaard

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Re: Whitehouse "dissident" and net monitoring
by hallam＠w3.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Wed, 13 Sep 95 11:18:14 -0400 From: hallam(a)w3.org >> >(4) Is the April 9 statement by David Lytel of the White House Office of >> > Science and Technology to Amy Bauer of Copley News Service that the >> > administration does not monitor anti-Clinton activity on the web still >> > operative? >Probably they do and they really should. If I was Mr. Clinton (which >I luckily am not) I would want my adjudats to prepare a report for >me each morning summing up all the possible comments round >subject Clinton and The USA from NET: That would be very precisious >source of feedback to finetune your acts. And that information >is real time. Nope they don't the Democratic party aides do that type of work from Democrat HQ. The President gets a once a week summary of all the mail he gets including the email. I think they also provide a daily press digest. By monitoring Lytel was probably thinking about installing net sniffers etc or obtaining the data from the FBI or whoever. I am certain he didn't mean to say that he does not surf the net ever and does not occasionaly visit opposition sites. The term monitor implies an organised search and continuous checking proceedure the number of hits cited sounds more like somone passed round the URL of a kook site inside the office. Phill

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ASN.1 AND KERBEROS VERSION 5
by jis＠mit.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 13:55:38 -0400 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: jis(a)mit.edu (Jeffrey I. Schiller) Subject: ASN.1 and Kerberos version 5 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Perry E. Metzger writes: >I've heard people associated with the decision to use ASN.1 in >Kerberos V say it was a mistake. Frankly, I think ASN.1 is a blight >which should be exterminated from the planet. I'll say it. I was the person who pushed for the use of ASN.1 in Kerberos version 5. I had this disease at the time that made me think that ASN.1 was a good idea. I got better, unfortunately we have been living with the results of my braino for quite some time now... poor Ted. However, the problem with ASN.1 isn't its waste of space (which actually isn't that bad for a mechanism for encoding arbitrary objects). The problem is that it is the product of a standards making process that didn't (and doesn't) value interoperability. Adherence to the ISO specifications does not guarantee interoperation. Instead regional "workshops" negotiate aspects of implementations to obtain interoperation. What does this mean for ASN.1? It means that the definition of ASN.1 is a bit abstract (as its name implies). Problems result when two organizations (say MIT and OSF!) attempt to implement from the specification in ASN.1 but use different ASN.1 compilers and things then don't work. Arguments then ensue about whose compiler (or manually written parsing code) is "correct" in terms of doing the right thing with ASN.1. This is particularly so when using DER (for Distinquished Encoding Rules) which is itself an after-thought added to ASN.1 later in the process. It is required in order to verify digital signatures (which have to be computed on the "encoded" form of an object because there is no good way to calculate a signature on an "abstract" object). If the Kerberos specification said: "pub this byte here and that one there" none of these arguments and problems would happen. -Jeff -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMEiaf8UtR20Nv5BtAQFzNAP/Q/LuIMbxAPAp64Kn2PSPd600TYlRAUJh QbsuL/iRhGXWrxSjsFzkcr6e3sIpSFggxglFU38TJT/DG2AD8MOid3Uj4pRJVbyo z7Au0Vp1NiotmRBHq2udItzJ7LLPM0j38FHQenqPs9mkX2Cq5kVgGUBO94HabEuE S9XPCgV8E1Q= =kTyw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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GAK Hits
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Blasts of the GAK plot, maybe genuine, more likely appeals for be-quiet-honey NDA-money: http://jya.com/gak-news.txt

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RE: CRYPTOGRAPHY ELIMINATES LAWYERS?
by alano＠teleport.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Sat, 09 Sep 1995 12:41:12 -0700 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: Alan Olsen <alano(a)teleport.com> Subject: Re: cryptography eliminates lawyers? At 02:44 PM 9/8/95 -0400, you wrote: >We wish! We really wish! "Fill that lawyer with a few more slugs of encryption!" The argument that encryption will free us from all the legal ills of the world is pretty specious. If anything it will make more work for lawyers as the non-clue-endowed portion of the world tries to come to terms with the new technology. They will make rules and subsets of rules and exeptions to rules and variations to interpetations of rules that will make the current set look like the rules to "chutes and ladders". Part of the job of the lawyer class is to guarentee the existance of work for other lawyers (as well as themselves). It does not depend on what the medium of exchange is. Lawyers and government forces will try and figure out some way to try and extract it from you. The government is trying very hard to keep any scrap of power from creeping away from them. You can bet that they will try every thing they can think of, rational and irrational, to regulate and control the wilds of cyberspace. They will pump up every imaginary boogieman to help them get the public to swallow what they are fed. By the time they figure out they have been had, it will be too late. Cypherpunks must be the syrup of ipecac to the governments dose of poison to the body politic! (I need to start drinking more coffee in the morning. I cannot believe I wrote that...) Unfortunatly the public does not thrive on logic. They had been trained to react emotionally to things and not react logically. I am not certain what can be used to get them to realize why they need encryption. Dispelling the bogeymen is none need. The other thing is that the tools need to be made as simple as possible. The current tools for use require a fair bit of technical understanding. Until they have an integrated front-end that makes it about as easy to use as America On-Line, encryption will not gain widespread usage. This is the type of code that needs to be written. Making integrated tools like newsreaders and mail programs that support strong encryption directly is what is needed for widespread use. (As well as being usable programs in and of themselves. Many of the programs for news and mail are crap.) Making cryptography a "cool and fun thing to use" will help dispell many of the myths and may help to defuse the government created bogey men. (Of course they will claim that it aids "criminals and terrorists", but to them EVERYONE is a criminal and a terrorist.) | Visualize whirled keys | alano(a)teleport.com | |"It's only half a keyserver. I had to split the | Disclaimer: | |other half with the government man." - Black Art | Ignore the man | | -- PGP 2.6.2 key available on request -- | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.teleport.com/~alano | <fnord> |

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SMART CARDS, CREDIT CARDS, PAYMENT SYSTEMS
by anonymous＠freezone.remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:14:45 -0400 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: anonymous(a)freezone.remailer Subject: Smart Cards, Credit cards, Payment systems URL: http://www.dice.ucl.ac.be/~dhem/card.html Smart Cards, Credit cards, Payment systems. This page is under development. _________________________________________________________________ Card Europe DigiCash MasterCard Futur 1 , 2 Virtual Open Network Environment (V-ONE) MONDEX AT&T and GiroVend agree to promote smart card applications AT&T Universal Card Services ATT buyinfo ibd.ar.com/lists/comp/cypherpunks Discussions, mailing lists, and sites , Payment mechanisms designed for the Internet News items on information technology (Not especially Smart Cards) Electronic Cash, Tokens and Payments in the National Information Infrastructure Forum On Risks To The Public In Computers And Related Systems (ACM) The Risks Digest Volume 4: Issue 32 The Risks Digest Volume 15 The Risks Digest Volume 16 SMI Finger Check -- Fingerprint Verifier DIGITAL SRC Research Reports Authentication and Delegation with Smart-cards Innovonics QC consultancy University of Wollongong: Centre for Computer Security Research SecureWare, Inc. OKI Telecom (Smart) Cards Museum (big) Buying Prepaid Calling Card S. Brands Cyberbank '95 Electronic benefits transfer (EBT) in US NCSA/DTIC Security Seminar Power Broker First Union Corp. will offer stored-payment ''smart cards'' Network Payment Mechanisms and Digital Cash PCMCIA Cards THE PREPAID & RECHARGEABLE PHONE CARD Cardservice International _________________________________________________________________ UCL crypto group _________________________________________________________________ Last update: 11 September 1995. Send any comment to: Dhem(a)dice.ucl.ac.be (J.-F. Dhem)

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by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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PHIL ZIMMERMANN/AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL?
by gjeffers＠socketis.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Fri, 01 Sep 1995 02:16:20 -0500 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: gjeffers(a)socketis.net (Gary Jeffers) Subject: Phil Zimmermann/Amnesty International? Phil Zimmermann/Amnesty International? I was wondering if the Zimmermann case would be a proper concern of Amnesty International. Phil is obviously a political dissident. His persecution is obviously political. If Phil got support from Amnesty Int'l, then his persecution could be a big embarrassment to the Federal gov't. He has a lot of supporters and taking up his cause could be a big promotional for Amnesty International. The Feds might feel forced to drop the matter early. Any ideas? Gary Jeffers

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No Subject
by mr.xxx＠ce.flashnet.it 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 21:00:32 +0200 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: Pasquale Piombino <mr.xxx(a)ce.flashnet.it> Hi all, I am searching PGP software. Does anyone know where I can download it? Thanks for answers. -+-+------------------->->--------------------------------:-Q------------ =B0 Pasquale Piombino | | Via Colombo, 35 Email: mr.xxx(a)ce.flashnet.it =B0 =B0 I-81100 CASERTA Phone - Fax: 0039 823 329152 | | ITALY =B0 +-+-------------8-)---------------------:-))-----------------:-o---------

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Re: [LONG} Funding Cypherpunks Projects
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim and Bob's exchanges are quite informative, and may their disagreements flower, for, as the solon said, the truth comes out by hammer blows, not sweettalk. I'd cite today's NYT article on brokers who find lucrative work for programmers. The firm featured today is based in Tim's area, Los Gatos. The article describes the change in programmers' status from talented, dutiful employees -- a small few of whom get a big payoff with stock options, though most don't -- to free-lancers getting large fees for short-time work, up to $200/hr and $300,000 per year. Not that all do so well. It's a nice change from stories about the legal-financial fairy tales about tough-minded start-ups and skeptical VCs who never seem to actually risk nearly as much as those peddling all-they've-got codemaking talent. Still, the talent-brokers, what do they do that the money guys don't do better, except perhaps lay on the poor-baby, let me help you screw yourself on my behalf, thicker, like all cream-skimmers and honey-pot raiders?

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NIST ESCROW PAPERS - NOW WEB AVAILABLE
by joelm＠eskimo.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Thu, 07 Sep 1995 21:28:59 -0700 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: Joel McNamara <joelm(a)eskimo.com> Subject: NIST Escrow Papers - Now Web Available Several of the scanned hand-outs (courtesy of John Young) for the NIST Septembe http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm Papers include: The outlines of meeting topics of Raymond Kammer of NIST and Michael Nelson of Discussion Paper No. 4, "Example Potential Solutions for the Draft Export Crite The Business Software Alliance's dissenting blast at the government's key escro Trusted Informations Systems's "Thoughts on the NIST Escrow Issues Meeting Disc TECSEC Incorporated's "Private Escrow Key Management: A Method and its Issues." Dorothy Denning's "Comments on Draft Criteria for Software Key Escrow Exportabi

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Re: Is the book Network Security any good?
by hallam＠w3.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 22:53:49 -0400 From: hallam(a)w3.org >Has anyone read the book "Network Security Private Communication in a >PUBLIC World" yet? It's by Charlie Kaufman, Radia Perlman, and Mike >Speciner, and has a copyright date of this year. Its pretty good on security and structure of protocols. Makes a good companion the Schneier book. I use it frequently. It does have some very irritating assertions concerning ASN.1 however, specifically concerning its use in Kerberos. I consider Kerberos's use of ASN.1 to be far superior than the alternative suggested which is pure lossage. Lambasting the use of ASN.1 is fair game but arguments over wasted bytes miss t point of ASN.1 and the BER encoding entirely. It would make a usefull course book. Phill

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by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: NYT on Netscape Crack
by David_A Wagner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In article <9509201034.AA10521(a)prakinf.tu-ilmenau.de> you write: > Is it a good idea to use different (unrelated!) seeded PRNG's for the > challenge data (which can be seen by sniffing) and the masterkey (which > should never leave out of client's memory? No. If the master key PRNG is poorly seeded, this is still exploitable: for instance, there is a lot of redundancy in most plaintext, and this can be used to check each candidate key value. Just use a cryptographically secure PRNG seeded with enough entropy.

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RE: BIZDOS CITIZENSHIP?
by andrew.spring＠ping.be 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 22:11:28 +0100 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: Andrew.Spring(a)ping.be (Andrew Spring) Subject: Re: Bizdos citizenship? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >In correspondence with someone outside the US regarding ITAR regulations, the remark was made that Jim Bizdos was Greek and not a U.S. citizen. Is this statement in the same class as an Elvis sighting? Or if it is true, what impact would ITAR have on foreign nationals working for a US company involved with export restricted crypto? > >Please don't get carried away and turn this into a Net rumor. I'm just curious if anyone on the list can confirm or deny the citizenship comment. Jim Bidzos is a US Permanent Resident Alien and Greek citizen. He has a Green Card. It doesn't have any ITAR impact, since the ITAR term 'Foreign Person' doesn't include Green Carded Resident Aliens. It probably wouldn't have any impact anyway, since he's a business weenie, and not a software weenie. Now, if he had a _programmer_ that wasn't a US Citizen, that would be a-whole-nother kettle of fish. He's previously stated that he would become a US Citizen, if it were not for the fact that Greece would require him to give up his Greek (and hence his EC) citizenship. See Simson Garfinkle's book on PGP for more details. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMFMZFI4k1+54BopBAQGK7gP+Oq+FjqjCeQziC16Ryq64i1tXMAhV/jaX 86TBumss/GPpaVfLGtDS3FZARK9eTo4gVPTfABtvIa/u6QzZGL9zCT5z5nWT5QJ4 Koj5jnGsnNpXx3YGa1bJfZOI4ctkRovPWpyPa4jWOEooJz5UbvCCwGW/YoYMlvCs sQ//Qs7uDPs= =ARLj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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EMP & Cars (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 11:48:08 -0400 (EDT) > From: Ray Arachelian <sunder(a)brainlink.com> > Subject: EMP & Cars (fwd) > There has been quite an interest in EMP. > pulses to a near miss lightning strike. As far as vehicle disabling, There > are claims that auto manufactures have built in a shut down frequency into > the computers in certain vehicles. We wound a large coil on a carpet paper > tube and put an oscillator on it and it would flood a vehicles electrical > system to shut it down, but it was huge. Mind being a little more specific?... - What was the dimension of the coil you used? - What was the frequency and amplitude of your signal? - What model of car and it's computer did you test? - What was the orientation and position of the coil when it worked and when it didn't? > The easiest way to learn about > EMP is to find the International TESLA society web site and interpret the > information there. Some of the best sources are ECM & EECM texts/sites. While it is a good source of technical info it does take a bull-shit detector set to full to sift through all the other detritis the ITS wallows in. Space aliens, hollow earth, over-unity power, etc. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Clipper: the definitive meme
by jim＠rand.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Mon, 11 Sep 95 08:26:42 PDT From: Jim Gillogly <jim(a)rand.org> T-shirt!! T-shirt!! Jim Gillogly Trewesday, 20 Halimath S.R. 1995, 15:26 ------- Forwarded Message From: wtshaw(a)aol.com (WTShaw) Newsgroups: talk.politics.crypto Subject: Re: Impressions of the NIST meeting Date: 11 Sep 1995 04:50:27 -0400 In the world of Jet-Age crypto, the government offers up a biplane, and seek to reserve the second seat for themselves. ------- End of Forwarded Message

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Re: www.commentary.unabomber
by carolann＠censored.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Go FrogFarm Go! From: Damaged Justice <frogfarm(a)yakko.cs.wmich.edu> Subject: Re: www.commentary.unabomber To: carolann(a)censored.org Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 20:03:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Angst-Level: Fair to Middlin' X-Authentication-Vegetable: Aardvark X-NSA-Food: narcotics anarchy bosnia encryption assassinate X-Thrash-Confirmation: Ahh! Hippy on a stick! Organization: Somewhere just far enough outside of your jurisdiction Reply-To: frogfarm(a)yakko.cs.wmich.edu Yes, it's a complete version. I've also started a rudimentary rebuttal/ commentary page at http://yakko.cs.wmich.edu/~frogfarm/unabuttal.html - -- frogfarm(a)yakko.cs.wmich.edu (Damaged Justice) is officially declared Unmutual s..O).... The smurf wields a hypodermic! -- More -- I like women who @.../.".. You destroy the smurf! -- More -- are *strong*, in .$*...].. You feel self-righteous! <B>every</B> sense of the word. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMGCvXIrpjEWs1wBlAQFHWAP9Fnf7patTds/KSr6EssfDgZvZKSQiTSqT ddK52W1cbAI+oJT46v0rX2Z7gQeibjHu64jCpQLj7df62p11RD7ElseD9EOJLjUX wUOy5+ap9+dbdr1FViWgwG+B6qExmrduZTsJ3jHz8Fq6cxd8e5iRW+R61wT4Ph1W wZtDiMrUpIE= =UQy3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Member Internet Society - Certified BETSI Programmer - Webmistress *********************************************************************** Carol Anne Braddock (cab8) carolann(a)censored.org 206.42.112.96 My Homepage The Cyberdoc *********************************************************************** ------------------ PGP.ZIP Part [017/713] ------------------- M8H,),S$8G>&.WP(8IRA`-M['+`Q%&_C"">5-F%LX@<_Q$;*P'',Q$Z/AA[8M MF=O0H+*%(-S%&>S%+FS&<LS%3(Q&#W1"<]2%`H^;,]^1C$'HBN8PX$4SYAU^ MPGD<Q0ZLA0D+,`MCT!LA**4M[-JPAK9F?40!AJ,CW"'%DR#:'9?Q)3[%<DQ` ------------------------------------------------------------- for next chunk to export --> http://dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/export/

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Re: Infoworld and Denning's study
by pgut001＠cs.auckland.ac.nz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Infoworld NZ has just published an awful article (written by US reporter Sari >Kalin and titled "Criminals Eyeing Encryption"), which emphasises repeatedly >that encryption is a major problem just waiting to happen, using Dorothy >Dennings report as a basis. This represents a rather ugly way to interpret >the report (and, presumably, an attempt by the USG to recover something from >a report which was supposed to come down firmly in favour of crypto >restrictions but didn't). Due to the late hour I got that wrong, it's Computerworld NZ, not Infoworld (slight difference in naming). Even later last night I wrote a letter to the editor which, I gather, will appear in the next issue. I've included it below in case anyone finds it useful, it's written for a general audience who probably aren't aware of the deeper issues apart from the fact that the USG has a peculiar attitude towards crypto, due to length constraints I couldn't go into too much detail. If you feel the need to circulate this, please don't do so until after next Monday when it's officially published. Peter. -- Snip -- The article "Crims eyeing encryption" in the September 9 Computerworld presents an extremely peculiar view of the study "Encryption and Evolving Technologies in Organised Crime and Terrorism". The final conclusion of the study was that there is no real "encryption problem" which justifies placing limitations on the use of encryption, and yet the article, by more or less ignoring the conclusion and concentrating instead on a number of scaremongering quotes, manages to create exactly the opposite impression. To understand what's involved here, it might be useful to know a bit about the background of the study. For a number of years the US government has held that it needs to strongly restrict peoples access to encryption. They can't actually provide you with any supporting facts for this because they're all classified, but if they were allowed to tell you, they're certain you'd agree with them. Now over the years they came to the realisation that people weren't really buying this argument, and so they decided to create a study which would provide proof, once and for all, that they were right. The two people who worked on this study were Dorothy Denning, virtually the only supporter of the US governments policy apart from the US government itself, and a vice-president of SAIC, a large defence contractor. They toiled away for quite some time, and finally announced their results a month or two back. Unfortunately the findings put them in a rather awkward position: Although the study was supposed to provide proof that there was some sort of "encryption problem" which needed to be countered, it instead showed that there wasn't really a problem at all. Sure, it showed that criminals occasionally use encryption, just like criminals also drive cars, eat pizza, drink Coke, and (quite probably) read Computerworld. The important point - which was almost completely ignored in the article in favour of running scaremongering quotes from a variety of US government officials - was that the "encryption problem", the whole reason for the governments' claimed need to restrict encryption, by and large didn't exist. It got even worse for the government though. So convincing was the evidence in the study that Denning - for years a very outspoken supporter of their policies - did an about-face and declared that she was no longer prepared to back government plans for restricting encryption until someone proved to her that there was a very good reason for it (this was reported in a number of US papers and publications which cover computer issues, so it was reasonably well known, eg "Denning unable to confirm FBI Assertions; alters her position" in the Mercury News, the largest silicon valley paper). Although the governments star technical witness was unable to find any evidence that their position was valid, the Computerworld article, by resorting to selective quoting and innuendo, paints a very different, and quite inaccurate, picture. (As a side-note, I find it amusing to read that the government policy relies on people handing over their encryption keys to them. Quite apart from the question of why anyone would trust the US government with their keys, there's also the small problem that no criminal will ever do this - that's why they're criminals after all. The only ones who'll ever get caught by this cunning plan are you and I). -- Snip -- (I'm assuming most readers will get the Baldrick/Blackadder reference in the last sentence :-).

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RE: NETSCAPE TO PATCH SHAREWARE VERSION
by anon-remailer＠utopia.hacktic.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 23:00:18 +0200 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: Netscape to patch shareware version From: anon-remailer(a)utopia.hacktic.nl (Anonymous) Organization: Hack-Tic International, Inc. >| Netscape said it received word last week that the State Department had >| cleared that version for release on the Net, but only within the U.S., >| owing to current export laws banning the export of encryption schemes >| stronger than 40 bits. THe company could provide no details by press >| time on how it would ensure that the 128-bit version wouldn't leak beyond >| U.S. borders. > >Ok, any bet on how long it will take? It's already been exported. Evidently, one of those who bought the commercial I note the site removed it, however, probably because Netscape Comm. Inc. reque

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(NOISE) X-FILES ANARCHIST
by dsc＠swcp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 09:56:59 -0600 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: dsc(a)swcp.com (Dar Scott) Subject: (Noise) X-Files anarchist I hardly watch TV ...blah, blah..., but I saw X-files last night. A very minor character was a cryptohacker who--to his surprise--brute-forced a military key for some files. He was described as an anarchist. To _my_ surprise, this anarchist was not associated with violence or lunatic ravings. He was shown as reading a book entitled something like Survey of Modern Conspiracy Theories. I see this as an improvement in the stereotype of computer-associated anarchists. And this I see as a good thing, since I think there is a lot that could be learned from anarchists. I think the character was killed, but I may have missed something. Dar =========================================================== Dar Scott Home phone: +1 505 299 9497 Dar Scott Consulting Voice: +1 505 299 5790 8637 Horacio Place NE Email: darscott(a)aol.com Albuquerque, NM 87111 dsc(a)swcp.com Fax: +1 505 898 6525 http://www.swcp.com/~correspo/DSC/DarScott.html ===========================================================

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