December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: e$: The Book-Entry/Certificate Distinction
by Alan Penny 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 23:30:27 -0700 > From: tcmay(a)got.net (Timothy C. May) > Subject: Re: e$: The Book-Entry/Certificate Distinction > > At 4:10 AM 8/24/95, Alan Penny wrote: > >The other night I heard that some of the rules for selling stock have > >been changed to allow companies to sell stock directly to investors. > >I have been thinking that this may have the potential to support an > >interesting system. > > My company sold stock to me directly, through a Stock Participation Plan > and an Incentive Stock Option Plan. I think that the point of the news report was that in the past companies were limited in the type of investor they could sell to (e.g., employee, stock-broker). I assume what they meant by the report was that a company under the new rules could sell stock to anyone who asked. > > >Imagine "Portfolio Accounts" with a debit-card like access method. > > I use a debit card which directly accesses my stock account. More on this > in a moment. > > >Instead of paying for an item at a store with money or credit you use > >your Portfolio-Account card and buy the item with shares/micro-shares > >of stock. Stock brokers may offer this type of service in response the > >competition of companies bypassing them. Stock brokers could setup > >services that mediate between transactions calculating trades and values > >"on-the-fly" (anonymity could be tricky to build into this system). > > This is where it breaks down. Stock prices are denominated in dollars (or > the local currency, as applicable). And local purchases are denominated in > dollars. Nobody pays "one microMicrosoft" for a loaf of bread. They pay $1. > And Microsoft stock sells for $100, not 100 loaves of bread. Prices could still be denominated in dollars, but the actual transaction could be executed with stock value (at the current market price). There would be an element of risk in these transactions since after the transaction a stock's value might go down, but it might also go up as well. I would think that if a merchant had a large volume of transactions and a varied stock "intake" a merchants portfolio would tend to balance out in terms of stock increases and decreases. > > >If the company you worked for paid you with stock instead of money this > >would complete the loop. > > The IRS and other tax authorities have this one figured out: barter > economies are not generally a way to avoid taxes. > Oh well, you win some and you loose some :-) > >This also has the interesting feature of avoiding all taxes. Until you > >"cash out" your account you would not have to pay taxes, if you never > >need cash out your account, you never need to pay taxes. I suspect that > >our friendly governments would try to "correct" this "problem" in the > >long run if they can. > > If you are paid in barter for some service, taxes are still owed, based on > the estimated value of services rendered. > > By the way, a simpler example than all this talk of partial shares of > companies is simply to talk about paying each other in gold, or oil, or any > other commodities. Hmmm, a "micro-spot" commodity market? Cordially, [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Public pgp-key: email penny(a)tyrell.net with subject as 'send pgp-key' ] [ My opinions are mine. I have scored 90% on the the Turing Test. ] [ Alan Penny, penny(a)tyrell.net ]

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Thanks for all your efforts ... you can stop now ...
by Piete Brooks 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The actualy attempt is now over. See http://www.brute.cam.ac.uk/brute/ (which is being updated from time to time). Thanks for your patience. Could people running old versions please kill any looping clients. Anyone wanting to try to sort out any remaining problems (NB: the load has dropped, so only the "hard faults" will remain) should contact me.

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Source Code for New Encryption Algorithm
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Source Code for the Dick TruthMeasure Encryption Algorithm: (c) "The Hoff-Center of Virtual Math" ==============> |<eight inches>| + DOOM = DICK + DEATH = 2" + NULL = Nine Inch Nails ## Proof of Theorem: ## ## If she says "I want nine inches, and I want to bleed." and you give ## her two inches, four times and stab her to death, using a 6" knife, ## then 4(DICK) + 6" = 8" + 6" = Nine Inch Nails. ## ## Therefore, Nine Inch Nails band members have 14" Dicks. ## ## Basing the Private Key on Nine Inch Nails private parts, and the ## Secret Key on the secret location where the dead woman's body is ## buried, the sick, twisted creators of the "Dick TruthMeasure ## Encryption Algorithm" have produced a cryptography product which ## cannot be broken by normal people, using normal math. ## This has been confirmed by the independent research of Carol Anne ## Cypherpunk, who reports that Kent Crispin has always claimed that ## this, ================>, is eight inches, while Tim C. May claims ## this, ================>, is fourteen inches. ## Her research methods have been approved by TruthMonger, who ## states, "Give her two inches, and she takes a mile. She never ## judges an encryption algorithm until she's fucked a mile with ## your Dick in a 'rubber boot'." ## In response, Carol Anne Cypherpunk said of TruthMongers sexual ## prowess, "He claims that his Dick was the inspiration for the ## Eternity Server, but it is a forgery, like his posts to the list. ## It just _seems_ like it never ends when you are subjected to ## abuse of either of them. A mile, my ass..." <EOC> (I mean, <EOF>)

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Re: PGP for pine and other Unix programs
by Jaeson.M.Engle＠dronf.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'd like to be added to your list of people wanting the 1.0 version. By then I should have MachTen running on my PowerPC Mac, and I would like to make sure that it works for that. Thanks Jaeson At 2:19 AM 8/23/95, Bryce Wilcox wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Does anyone know of an addon to the Pine mailer that supports PGP? >> the only PGP software i could find required me to first compose a >> letter in an editor then run it through a pgp signature program >> then finally read it into my favorite mailer. >> >> I'm looking for something that is hopefully transparent, or if not >> relatively quick to do. > > >My "Bryce's Auto-PGP" fits the bill. It is an sh script so it can be >integrated without too much trouble into Pine, Elm, trn, tin, mh, etc etc. >I have personally tested it with Pine so I know it'll work. You can e-mail >me for a beta copy, or you can ask for a v1.0 copy if you don't mind waiting >an unspecified amount of time for beta-testing to finish. > > >Regards, > >Bryce > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 2.6.2 >Comment: Auto-signed with Bryce's Auto-PGP v1.0beta > >iQCVAwUBMDrWWfWZSllhfG25AQEpXQP+ISF5DNtNa/SbceUTPzFkHLO7YFoV01+S >t91Tt488GplyFQrimqbJpRTRtdxNjt4fR7o23F9kbRkPRtD3zQPxi0/jjT29JrNU >Oi0eiteq2FpgAoevMdkfwdsVKupW2fb78jNnz2490JHM/Zr1CvOH+2bwziQ1i8hR >5y48rjUrLTE= >=DQYq >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Jaeson M. Engle http://www.dronf.org Coordinator of the Jourvian Group PGP Mail Encouraged -> jme.pub.key(a)dronf.org Project List -> programs(a)dronf.org

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Platypus and the kangaroos
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

? the Platypus {aka David Formosa} <dformosa(a)st.nepean.uws.edu.au> writes: > > E.g. read the Net.Scum page for Debbie Taylor to read > > how the homos tried to censor the Web site called "www.godhatesfags.com" > > I have no problems with that web site's existence. I haven't looked at the site (I conclude from the name that it's probably not something I care to see), but I will fight for its free speech. Apparently a number of people listed at the Net.Scum site do want to shut down this site because they don't like its name and/or contents. Agis's troubes with the (largely homosexual) Net.Cabal started before they signed up Stanford Wallace. > [1] Demitri A little bit of resurch would of established what my > sexualiaty is. For the record most of my parteners have been femail[2] David, with all due respect, I got more interesting things to research than your sexuality! :-) [2] Have any of the "others" been kangaroos? --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Demagnetizing
by alt＠iquest.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:26 PM 8/27/95 -0500, Buford Terrell wrote: > >>Reply-To: dr261(a)cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tobin T Fricke) > >> >>Where exactly is the r/c circuit? Is it very small and in >>a label? Book publishers don't put them in, do they? >>Also, if the thing gets "burned out" by the magnet in the >>pad, what do libraries and such do where materials are >>reused? Just slap on another label thing? >> >It's much more low-tech than that. Libraries and book stores just >put a strip of magnetized material (it's much like audio tape, >about 1/8 inch wide and comes on rolls) inside the book and then >put detectors at the doorway. It the detector feels a magnetic field, >it buzzes; if the tape has been deguassed, nothing happens. > >For libraries, it's usually mounted on sticky tape and put down >inside the book spine. Bookstores usually just snip off a 4 - 5" >segment and slip it inside the book. Music stores frequently tape >a small section on the outside of CD jewel boxes. > >Sorry, there's no real mystery or exciting tech here. There's still some mystery. For instance, how does it differentiate between the magnetic field of their strip, and the magnetic field of the strip on your credit card, or the speaker on your cell phone?

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Re: REPOST : Un-forgeable Cancels
by jbaber＠mi.leeds.ac.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Glad that the mail got through that time - not forged cancels though I am sure, more likely a cock up with my mail sppol..... > Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> writes: > Sounds good to me. I thought there was someone doing something like > this with hashes. But then I never really looked into any of the > systems. What does Greg Rose's PGPMoose do? (One presumes it > involves PGP sigs?) I must admit that not being a news admin and rarely posting to news I have not realy looked at what is being worked on. I was just reading the 'forged cancels' thread when I though of the hash idea. >From what I can see (the full README is unavailable) PGPMoose is designed to Cancel messages in a moderated newsgroup that have not been approved by the moderator - by using PGP sigs to authenticate the approval. see http://people.qualcomm.com/ggr/pgpmoose.html This could be modified for general cancels but would then involve PGPMoose having access to every authors Public Key. > > This does assume that message IDs are available by the news program > > and are not allocated after sending. If this is not the case then it > > would be necessary to use other header information to calculate the > > hash such as the date/time and subject, or to store some kind of key > > at the authors end in order to reference the message (although in > > this case X may as well just be generated randomly and stored). > > I think you don't even need this much uniqueness of hashing > material... Personally I would prefer a unique value for every message, especially if I was a prolific sender of news. > Say you just chose a random R and store it in ~/.news-preimage, and > HASH( R ) in ~/.news-image. > > Now you post all of your posts with HASH( R ) in a header as you are > suggesting. > > Now if you didn't want to be coerced in to cancelling your own posts > you just remove .news-preimage instantly. > > You have to update your preimage for each cancel you do, but how many > cancels do people do anyway? (Not many for their own benefit I > reckon). This would work well but would allow an attacker to cancel any message sent using that value of R as soon as the author sent a message. Generally the more messages that you sent the more vulnerable you would be to this (as more of your articles would still be in the news feed) - exactly how much of a problem this would be depends on whether archivers accept cancels (which I doubt) and how long the news group in question is stored in the news spool before timing out. > This is a low security application, and ease of use over user typed > passwords will win I think. This I completely agree with, I was initally thinking of leaving the password as an Environmental variable set when the user logged on (.cshrc, .login, AUTOEXEC.BAT etc as appropriate). It makes very little difference if this is the case or if it was stored in a file, however a good news program could offer the option of using a different random/secret for any particular message if the author wanted it to be [more] secure from their systems manager. > Conceivably you could cope with the above by making .news-image > readable to the news system on your local net news service. This > could transparently do the job without needing to update any clients > -- only an INN patch required. Sounds like a phun project for > someone. This is far simpler than if you calculate a unique hash for each new message and may be the part that wins the day. > Issueing cancels would be more manual, but you could easily knock up a > perl script to instruct the NNTP server to do that. (Or windows > program, or whatever). I think that issueing cancels should be more complex than just clicking on a button - after all once you have said something there is very little reason to try to cover it up - in most cases a simple correction would do. > If you really wanted to integrate cancels without updating clients, > for those that support them you'd have to give the NNTP news server > access to your preimage, R. Not sure this is a good idea, as now your > ISP can be coerced into cancelling your message for you without your > cooperation. This would generally be a bad idea, however you should remember that the NNTP news server could simply be modified to overwrite yor Cancel_Ref: header with their own value of Y anyway or even just not forward your article, just as any news admin could (any news admin can only change those 'down the path' from them). > Course all these problems go away if you do update clients, but it's > usually nice to offer an easy interim migration path, else no-one will > use it. > > Adam Again true, however this is true for any cancel checking mechanism. As far as I can see the advantage to this idea over digital signatures is that the NNTP program that has to decide whether to accept the cancel or not does not need access to the public key of the sender. Another thing is that the modification to the NNTP program is the same whether you use a unique hash per message or a stored ~/.news-preimage as all that it has to do is check that the value included in the cancel message hashes to the value in the original message. This would allow quick updates to both NNTP and the news-reader (probably originally using the stored preimage) and later versions of the news-reader to be updated to include the unique hash (which can still operate transparently to the user, using either a file or environmental variable) without having to make any changes to the NNTP program. Thanks for the comments, Jon http://chem.leeds.ac.uk/ICAMS/people/jon/

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Announcing SecureDrive 2.4
by edgar＠highnrg.sbay.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- This is to announce the availability of Version 1.4 of SecureDrive. SecureDrive Version 1.4 replaces version 1.3d and previous versions. Changes for 1.4 have added significant new function. New features include ability to use a keyfile either instead of or in addition to a passphrase, the /ADD function and the option to specify a drive letter, which is remembered, when specifying manual partition parameters to LOGIN. /ADD allows you to LOGIN multiple hard disk partitions (with the same key) at the same time. The subroutine which "finds" a physical hard disk partition based on the DOS drive letter has been improved, so hopefully situations where manual partition parameters must be used will be rare. Releases 1.3, 1.3a, 1.3d and 1.4 of Secure Drive are based on releases 1.0 and 1.1, mostly written by Mike Ingle <mikeingle(a)delphi.com> and version 1.2, with significant new code by myself. The code which we wrote is not copyrighted, but the program contains GNU Copylefted code, and therefore may be freely distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public Licence. See file COPYING for legalese. SecureDrive provides strong encryption via the IDEA cypher (The same symmetrical cypher used by PGP) for your files on diskettes or up to four hard disk partitions. You encrypt your diskettes and/or HD partitions with CRYPTDSK. Then you can access the data by using LOGIN and SECTSR. This provides "on-the-fly" decryption (and re-encryption) as disk sectors are accessed by your applications. Entering LOGIN /C or powering off your PC clears the crypto keys from memory and your encrypted disks are "instantly" secure. Mike Ingle and I have different opinions on the distribution of SecureDrive. Under the GNU General License (copyleft) I do not need Mike's permission to distribute version 1.4 and I have not asked for same. My policy on distribution is in the version 1.4 doc: Exporting this program. Cryptography is export controlled, and sending this program outside the country may be illegal. Don't do it. The "author" of versions 1.2 and 1.3, Edgar Swank, says that the export ban should not prevent you from placing this program on public BBS's and anonymous FTP sites in the US and Canada. If individuals outside the US/Canada use the internet or international long distance to obtain copies of the program, THEY may be breaking US law. Any such foreign individuals should be aware that US law enforcement may legally (under US law) apprehend individuals who break US laws even if such individuals are not on or even have never been on US soil. Such apprehension may remove such individuals directly to US jurisdiction without benefit of extradition proceedings in such individuals' home country(ies). SecureDrive Version 1.4 is already available for download on the following public BBS's as SECDR14.ZIP: Flying Dutchman (408)294-3065 Colorado Catacombs BBS, 303-772-1773 (up to 28,800 bps, log in with your own name, answer the questions, and download SECDR14.ZIP). ftp://ftp.csn.net/mpj/I_will_not_export/crypto_???????/disk/secdr14.zip see ftp://ftp.csn.net/mpj/README for the ??????? ftp://miyako.dorm.duke.edu/mpj/crypto/disk/secdr14.zip See ftp://miyako.dorm.duke.edu/pub/GETTING_ACCESS for access instructions. Here is the contents of SECDR14.ZIP Length Method Size Ratio Date Time CRC-32 Attr Name ------ ------ ----- ----- ---- ---- -------- ---- ---- 18321 DeflatX 6914 63% 06-14-93 22:27 0767480b --w- COPYING 2022 DeflatX 789 61% 08-06-95 00:00 dd3e9e64 --w- COPYSECT.C 12542 DeflatX 7670 39% 08-06-95 00:00 c089888f --w- COPYSECT.EXE 152 Stored 152 0% 08-06-95 00:00 17b02bc2 --w- COPYSECT.SIG 19664 DeflatX 4183 79% 11-19-93 21:42 22c2502c --w- CRYPT2.ASM 19622 DeflatX 4594 77% 08-06-95 00:00 14940d0b --w- CRYPTDSK.C 41834 DeflatX 19854 53% 08-06-95 00:00 2e5664b8 --w- CRYPTDSK.EXE 152 Stored 152 0% 08-06-95 00:00 484719f3 --w- CRYPTDSK.SIG 4353 DeflatX 1724 61% 08-06-95 00:00 b4e99e6a --w- FPART.C 15450 DeflatX 9790 37% 08-06-95 00:00 44c4a0e7 --w- FPART.EXE 152 Stored 152 0% 08-06-95 00:00 0b345a16 --w- FPART.SIG 2998 DeflatX 2113 30% 04-22-95 13:23 1a54cbe5 --w- KEY.ASC 18447 DeflatX 4526 76% 08-06-95 00:00 d9f91a8e --w- LOGIN.C 43476 DeflatX 20274 54% 08-06-95 00:00 39b32d3d --w- LOGIN.EXE 152 Stored 152 0% 08-06-95 00:00 cb182e12 --w- LOGIN.SIG 1554 DeflatX 568 64% 08-06-95 00:00 3589f489 --w- MAKEFILE 11557 DeflatX 3277 72% 05-09-93 19:38 e71f3eea --w- MD5.C 3407 DeflatX 1097 68% 05-11-93 12:49 f1f58517 --w- MD5.H 1355 DeflatX 629 54% 01-21-94 08:44 db63ade4 --w- RLDBIOS.ASM 14757 DeflatX 4050 73% 08-06-95 00:00 2142bf7c --w- SDCOMMON.C 52175 DeflatX 18701 65% 08-06-95 00:00 da0e2c45 --w- SECDRV.DOC 3656 DeflatX 1094 71% 08-06-95 00:00 6ed75bcc --w- SECDRV.H 32595 DeflatX 8860 73% 08-06-95 00:00 1c7d2225 --w- SECTSR.ASM 2000 DeflatX 1326 34% 08-06-95 00:00 ba1568d1 --w- SECTSR.COM 152 Stored 152 0% 08-06-95 00:00 3817512c --w- SECTSR.SIG 11519 DeflatX 2801 76% 08-06-95 00:00 060d33e8 --w- SETENV.ASM 1254 DeflatX 541 57% 05-09-93 19:39 182978aa --w- USUALS.H 276 DeflatX 248 11% 08-06-95 00:00 20880832 --w- FILE_ID.DIZ ------ ------ --- ------- 335594 126383 63% 28 Also note that the ZIP file contains PGP detached signatures (*.SIG) for the executable files. Finally here is my public key, also available on many public keyservers; note who has signed it. (HighNRG is only address currently valid) Type bits/keyID Date User ID pub 1024/DA87C0C7 1992/10/17 Edgar W. Swank <edgar(a)HighNRG.sbay.org> Edgar Swank <edgar(a)Garg.Campbell.CA.US> Edgar W. Swank <edgar(a)spectrx.sbay.org> Edgar W. Swank <edgar(a)spectrx.saigon.com> - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAirfypkAAAEEAKe2jziPeFw6hY19clR2GtQ4gtGCSSVOTgPKEJzHfuC74Scf 9PEuu1kebLhHk43A9wo1vr52o4jpH/P/tnFmRtBQOMzLUzAt5rMucswtSVviMQS2 hBuc9yGJKWHVcyfA79EARKEYTdhx+2qKI+hFJcPE+rmD8wVoF94nNf3ah8DHAAUR tClFZGdhciBXLiBTd2FuayAgIDxlZGdhckBIaWdoTlJHLnNiYXkub3JnPokAlQMF EC+W0kveJzX92ofAxwEB1rsEAIsfe/gJas0E9Ky+oA6I13Z4sjuECt+B9ouHFQ5m hvS5pVXCl4FM5ymMS9BaASK4nh1NK89bTtP0syGQId6G9K4YYphhuhNmIuoi6YCF G9DZo1ZseDMMcBwKMN1IMK06YhBFZXaaZGnAD9q+8IEwphqUCKQhZ+kz9np1DXI+ WleBtClFZGdhciBTd2FuayAgIDxlZGdhckBHYXJnLkNhbXBiZWxsLkNBLlVTPokA lQMFEC+SO/jeJzX92ofAxwEBCcwD/05FhVGTxYOsRjXjuEEWtndNhgX1fCpEKrtH 2kj7vnNLjZHYKqgFJhKKuu4T0RxYHweoM5zwMD0TaUlMZeeUHJTrCnS6MACf9UMS x5wdcNqptGL/LsErJudGXfEfiCtSyMtWchAuKHgE0Gxgac1yjx6LwB6RR32Mo39u V1rO3ncLtCdFZGdhciBXLiBTd2FuayA8ZWRnYXJAc3BlY3RyeC5zYmF5Lm9yZz6J AJUDBRAvTcc16RnkL8BZX5EBAc3hA/sH117w/Wk0k4dJf0QiaBpg1s1aoipl1Qg8 bmOEuKuv7jfsxHIU1b5Lge2nA1tYgWuLOe8riNwJ5fFOgiBOx8ZfZWMpsZzzdEsp 3XZ+6zjIe0Yx+vHcwDNrLANHrhO50tL9vnU3Vn3iszpwGEWH/F4Jccv/JuD9pHIp lRGrTOHkDokAlQMFEC7KUw2GKKqoYRMKGwEBG7kEANXdWUGwnnEtW7mLd02nYozA 759qDHaVx3QtM5YYB8bDV7iZh7F+/XYnoPj9hzF4Ha0nLcISPXDHBHhtq7CscYJn 8DetJ71CMAe8Zd/+W/vOqCmUqORaMU/L1tqnvpOWUNnswOkzROzOmNpw+Kq4L+oq BFuqJPDXQYYEFKOsvB9LiQCVAgUQLiSVP18k3sEYI56RAQG5TgQAnw9Wtc+GdGSc Z48hvMWZABnUiAXThw+Tq79HdPu+IySNi7aRfkSeppn9QD6v2OS8ELatgkTSuGt4 CpME6hLHB46fTiTdoXMdw+z092mOuqVF2qVKtswnFar5Fy4j0XK/4lEx2d2/1Ipa TQ+sbicGH9CqCoWOKAy1j2Ly9Jf7ZgeJAJUCBRAt1dNBocE4X0qvAOUBAQdhA/kB 2vTXCIjZGtOw/bC6gOTHnMPBVTQeXHIZ3BZ4xYRdMfdKsxN3gTezOI8QixQoHzhv NGB02fB5EdB8+Ulw9kn08AR2b+mTwkgeNtlytvNZ52E7UpWEVtznxlGeiwRMbOFI aGKJFsGXFSRw3F89ZqoUnoeRvRgL0kJIQOZCLF62ZYkAlAIFEC2o/S8YM6FlCLcH xQEBHcsD9i0o2d7Q2rsG/iRRwapxGKQbHPxgQXCB6MLVNDEa3c/png8r2PA9cOeR cwx2xY/XxNuZo7lHXNp/j5xwYhooq+yTBJIL8DZqW99QT8+c05vw7M1UCEpy7NT1 exkMzoVR/Y3jKbIa4X1tX1ZrdmoozxW0T3DwCcCZ7dR26eZXlx2JAJUCBRAtmw+u NlaXxjLdmNkBAULKA/4wqdMn2GCApAq+5kJT+iJmLvVeNZj0JVjWspGDcd+1cjCK 9XWVTATVtRAfWbDukoJ2wNzNuz7gbqVHHcrV7nvcQt3KUsxWRyahREklc75PtXBm 0PKpr5TNTM2J/Kql28GXQQyL+PHawTDQVE8ybCPj+WUgK5qd1o/2QPxnb4EAmYkA lQIFEC2bGrAPRy9bNNdNwQEBhLAD/3vWoDu4msz4YA8BcnfuovI0ApDL5ekSu447 ByXgIcqNRe4oDtGdvrqXvJhpyuj5t7vVDGtzgQE0jU8H6u+Ocpj1nBlOXL36DASS aJuLErByNCzqTaGVya5WGxmK2m+pKS6UVIXitF2tGxrKu+Pdp3rkv3oPHTWVgFT5 eGRvfJIKtClFZGdhciBXLiBTd2FuayA8ZWRnYXJAc3BlY3RyeC5zYWlnb24uY29t PokAlQIFECsRFxzidd4O/2f3CwEBsmID/2qXL/VdjGxxYFNIZdA+DC6howUXlHw6 6MUArILE2/9J69VvcpbQTKmD4A+04SwH9q8SDzWxsg+1VANuy08EE0up9pm7ZBzr xkFcOydhsEwOt9fRn9EJ3tDNYe1SVoxV9Fc47of55Om7cTNrky0hdp1LA13uf/Te V3nrBYa21zaz =LWNj - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMD9Snt4nNf3ah8DHAQFVOAP5AQPD3TESTabv35I7yBtmMFYS5VDoQB5M 7Lxz3YbDDLr15vCzKcCe58KbCit+XqL11YjQcWXFjlYY83ouIxwIWRb0AEOQq2NC MRxIC61DGLcb2ry0UCKhD5Szj9QCJE/sF3Zx9EiuKDYu0Xbx8zKv4zTpdyO1CMQS sw/NA3PbzX8= =jv0o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- edgar(a)HighNRG.sbay.org Keep Freestyle Alive!

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Re: Query on cookies
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 23:24:28 -0400 (EDT) > From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)pathfinder.com> > To: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> > Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Re: Query on cookies > Reply-to: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)pathfinder.com> > I believe this is what the folks at Netscape tried to eliminate in 4.0, > which I'm told features four cookie settings. One rejects "third party > cookies." > > -Declan Well, I'm using version 4.01a for NT. There are three settings for cookies: 1. Accept all cookies. 2. Accept only cookies which get sent back to the originating server. 3. Disable cookies. There's also a checkbox labled: "Warn me for accepting a cookie." I've been fairly unhappy with this version - the cookie management and the "Personal Toolbar" (user specified buttons for frequently visited sites) are the only new features that seem useful. It tends to crash frequently, and the usenet news (aka "Collabra Discussion Groups") seems to be broken (some of the earlier versions had a fairly useful newsreader). It's also a disk hog. Note: This is a beta version. Peter Trei trei(a)process.com PS: I have it set on 'disable cookies'. DISCLAIMER: The above is my personal opinion only, and not neccesarily representative of my employer.

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DNS key distribution/keyservers
by root 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- A while ago, Peter Trei <trei(a)toad.com> said: >Don Eastlake has actually done a draft RFC on >using the DNS for key distribution. > >It may be found at > >ftp://ietf.cnri.reston.va.us/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnssec-secext-04.txt [snip] I'm sure everyone agrees that a 5 meg keyfile is a bit big, but has anyone considered working on the QUALITY of the keyfile instead of making it easier to retrive QUANTITIES of keys.. Ie: What about creating one big web of trust out of current keys. Or maybe allowing keys only if they have some connection to some other key previously submitted, or simultaneously submitted. Currently, having one big keyfile creates the impression that keys distributed over a keyserver are more valid. In a sense they are, but only because someone who's being spoofed could learn of the key that is supposedly theirs. However, there's really no reason to trust a key as anything but a nym unless it's signed by someone in _your_ web of trust. I believe that modifying keyservers to accept only keys that are linked to currently known keys would encourage everyone to become part of that web of trust. After all, the public key of a nym can be obtained from the nym themself. Anybody have any thoughts on this? Don -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQB1AwUBMEF2psLa+QKZS485AQHo/QL9GIEsboNghINgrzE5mnW/2d9i/sn4tgzw 5Ne9zerIdT0QcUWOI/ETw4pYMf8CBPD7iSU1oHxv+qoa/vgxGJCPW9fKYKPURYzE Aev2zw5Js4BnQqYKhhvPpnEEsGqnuuAd =0h+o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- <don(a)cs.byu.edu> fRee cRyPTo! jOin the hUnt or BE tHe PrEY PGP key - http://bert.cs.byu.edu/~don or PubKey servers (0x994b8f39) June 7&14, 1995: 1st amendment repealed. Death threats ALWAYS pgp signed * This user insured by the Smith, Wesson, & Zimmermann insurance company *

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oops, re last message
by Donald M. Kitchen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sorry to add another msg to the clutter, but please send responses to the previous message (DNS keyserver) to me at don(a)cs.byu.edu and NOT at root at _any_ system. Don

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Re: (Fwd) Re: Law enforcement and PGP ban in Australia
by Mark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>X-News: uqvax aus.net.policy:286 >From: Peter Merel <pete(a)extro.su.oz.au> >Subject:Open Letter from Steve Orlowski >Date: 18 Aug 95 06:52:32 GMT > >I've received something that purports to be an open letter from Steve >Orlowski. Be warned that the letter has no digital authentication with it, >so it may have been forged. However it reads like the real magilla, so I'll >post it here in the hope that it might inform debate a little. > > >--------------------- cut here ---------------------------- > > >Dear > >Thank you for your comments on the subject of the use of encryption by private >individuals. > >Firstly I would like to make the point that the debate has arisen from one >person's interpretation of a paper I gave at a conference on "Cryptography >Policies and Algorithms" The full text of that paper is now available on the >net at > > http://commerce.anu.edu.au/comm/staff/RogerC/RogersHome.html > >The paper carries a disclaimer at the top that the views are mine and do not >necessarily represent the views of the Australian Government. The paper sets >out the Government's policy on telecommunications interception, which includes >the issue of the use of cryptography as: > >"As a result of the Report, Australia is, among other TI issues, monitoring the >impact of encryption in the telecommunications interception area and will >re-examine matters in 1997 following the opening of the telecommunications area >to full competition." > >Telecommunications covers both voice and data communications. > >The last paragraph of the paper says that there is a need to expand the >cryptography debate to cover the needs of individual users in the context of >the information superhighway rather than current Internet users. The paper >also points out that issues such as cost, convenience and public confidence in >cryptography systems will be the main issues. Public confidence is explained >in terms that as long as it meets the general requirement for privacy it will >be acceptable. I still maintain that the general user of the superhighway in >the next century will be satisfied with a lower level of encryption which will >meet that and cost and user friendliness requirements. > >On specific point made in the Internet message, the paper does not suggest, >either directly or by implication, that individuals should be banned from using >encryption. > >Regarding the use of higher level encryption, the paper supports the concept of >commercial key escrow where organisations hold their own keys but may be >required to provide them in response to a court order. the same would apply to >individuals who could either hold there own keys or store them with a >commercial body. Access to those keys would be by court order and in that >respect is no different to existing procedures for the interception or seizure >of telephone conversations or paper records. There is no suggestion that these >basic principles, and protection of individual's rights in general, should be >changed > >If individuals were to use lower level encryption there would be no need for >them to maintain copies of any keys for such systems. To my mind this is >preferable to a requirement for keys to be maintained for all encryption >systems, which could be the result if universal key escrow were introduced. > >Finally on the question of interception, the general public expects a >reasonable level of law enforcement to ensure the protection of their person >and property. Governments are required to find a balance between this and the >rights of individuals to privacy. Part of this balance is to ensure that law >enforcement authorities convince a court that there is a need to carry out an >interception. There is no suggestion that this fundamental approach should be >changed. The paper certainly does not suggest that the Attorney-General's >Department should become a centralised interception authority. In fact such a >role would not be consistent with its role as a source of advice to Government. > >I hope the above clarifies both the Government's policy and my personal views >on these matters. > >I consider this to be an open letter and have no objection to it being used as >such. > >Yours sincerely >Steve Orlowski

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From don(a)basisinc.com Wed Aug 6 16:06 PDT 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gomez(a)basisinc.com, danu(a)basisinc.com, pat(a)basisinc.com, jheim(a)prologic.com Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: Computer Hillbillies... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (CoE) The Computer Hillbillies Come and listen to a story 'bout a man named Jed, A poor college kid, barely kept his family fed, But then one day he was talking to a recruiter, Who said, "they pay big bucks if ya work on a computer..." Windows, that is... PC's... Workstations... Well, the first thing ya know ol' Jed's an Engineer. The kinfolk said "Jed, move away from here". They said "California is the place ya oughta be", So he bought some donuts and he moved to Silicon Valley... Intel, that is... Pentium ... big amusement park... On his first day at work, they stuck him in a cube. Fed him more donuts and sat him at a tube. They said "your project's late, but we know just what to do. Instead of 40 hours, we'll work you 52!" OT, that is... unpaid... mandatory... The weeks rolled by and things were looking bad. Schedules started slipping and some managers were mad. They called another meeting and decided on a fix. The answer was simple... "We'll work him sixty-six!" Tired, that is... stressed out... no social life... Months turned to years and his hair was turning grey. Jed worked very hard while his life slipped away. Waiting to retire when he turned 64, Instead he got a call and escorted out the door. Laid off, that is... de-briefed... unemployed... Now the moral of the story is listen to what you're told, Companies will use you and discard you when you're old. So gather up your friends and start your own firm, Beat the competition, watch the bosses squirm. Millionaires, that is... Bill Gates... Steve Jobs... Y'all come back now... ya hear'

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Re: The BIG Lie (Jesus Confesses) (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > On 8 Aug 97 at 18:26, David D.W. Downey wrote: > > > Next, this country was founded on christian beliefs, or have you > > failed to read the words of the constitution of the US. Malarky, the country was founded on the belief in a God not a Christian god, considering that Washington and Jefferson were not even Christians pretty much blows that whole Christian promulgated lie. Washington and Jefferson were deist. > Comments from Canada: Libertarians usually attibutes the reference to > the christian cult in the US constitution At no point does the Constitution ever mention Christ. Typical Christian attitude, preach but don't worry about practicing it. And just in case you haven't got the clue yet, I will spell it out. There are MANY groups who believe in a God. Very few of them believe Christ was the son of God and our saviour. I am a Pantheist, I believe in god but I can guarantee it bears absolutely no resemblance to the Christian god. This realization was the whole point of seperation of church and state and my god given right to practice my beliefs even if they aren't rights given by YOUR god. You need to retake Spin_Doctor_101 if you are going to try to pull that sort of wool over peoples eyes ... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Participation requires more than just bitching! | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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The _Really_ Big Lie!
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

:: Anon-To: too_drunk_to_use_a_remailer(a)shit!.exposed! [From the "I Have Too Much 'Time, Inc.' On My Hands, So This Must Be _Official_ News" Web site.] I couldn't help but notice that the supposed pillars of the religious community, as well as their oh-so-decent-and-righteous followers, tell such widespread, whoppingly big lies about the motivations behind their public actions, as well as about their future intentions, that the true source of corruption in the religious community must undoubtedly come from "higher up" in the chain of commandments. For example, those who are concerned about their children accessing obscene and satanic material on the InterNet might be expected to supervise their children, as well as acquiring the InterNet tools that are available for limiting their children's access to things which the parents find objectionable. You would also expect them to seek out information on sites that met standards that they found acceptable for their children to access. In short, if their interests truly lay in censoring the information their children access, you think they would do exactly that--control and censor their children's activities on, and access to, the InterNet. I couldn't help but notice that, instead, they want to control the activities and access of everyone who uses the InterNet. I find it hard to believe that these people can claim to have the intellect to form valid beliefs about religious and moral issues, yet not be intelligent enough to understand the options available to them. This leads me to suspect that they are, in reality, two-faced liars, particularly since impartial observers can predict the oppressive and censorous results which are usually the exact opposite of what they claim to be their intentions. Patient: "Doctor, it hurts when I do _this_." Doctor: "Then don't _do_ that." If those calling for control and censorship are truly worried about their children, you would expect then to teach their children not to "do that," and to not make available to them things which will allow them to "do that" if they have raised their children to be disobedient and/or irresponsible. Instead, they seem to be taking the moral "high ground," as if under the impression that they are moral "doctors" charged with diagnosing others as having diseased morals, even if the others don't hurt when they "do that." Problem: Little Johnny wants to visit Paul Bradley's "Jesus Loves the Little Children From Behind" web site. Solution: Don't let him do that. Problem: Little Johnny might visit the Duncan Frissel "Pictures of Jesus" site and find pictures of Jesus buggering the little children. Solution: Don't let Little Johnny access sites that you don't know to be acceptable according to your standards. Now, was the foregoing too hard for those reading this to understand? If not, then what could be the reason for those promoting contol and censoring of other people for suggesting the following option... Problem: Little Johnny might access something on the InterNet which does not meet standards that his parent's find acceptable. Solution: Require everyone on the InterNet to only engage in activities which meet the standards of Little Johnny's parents, starting by putting the onus on everyone on the InterNet to "voluntarily" rate their website according to the standards of Little Johnny's parents. Question:"When was the last time a doctor you didn't know made a 'house call' to check on your health, forced his way in when you objected, and gave you a prostrate exam against your wishes?" Answer:"When the government declared that prostrate cancer was a threat to 'national security' and that early detection would 'protect the children' from child molesters and drug dealers." Since spirituality is not inherently related to fascism, it seemed to me that the moral fascism being promoted by members of the Christian community must be the result, not of spiritual values, but rather, the result of the leader of the Christian religion being a moral fascist. It was also obvious that, given the vast amount of lies being told by Christians about their beliefs, motivations, and intentions, that Christianity must be founded on lies and disinformation. Since I do not like to speak ill of someone without taking pains to understand them from the standpoint of their own knowledge and beliefs, I decided that I should have a talk with Jesus Christ, the founder and espoused leader of the Christian religion, and give him a chance to respond to my view of himself and those who follow his example. Mr. Christ was kind enough to let me take notes during our long conversation, so I am providing a transcript of the highlites of the issues we discussed: ----------------------- TruthMonger: "Mr. Christ..." Jesus Christ: "Please, call me Jesus." TruthMonger: "OK. Jesus, what the fuck is going on with all these people claiming that they have the right to force everyone on the face of the earth to live only within the boundaries of moral judgements approved of by you?" Jesus Christ: "Well, TruthMonger, you have to understand that I am the _only_ Way, the _only_ Truth, and the _only_ Light. Accordingly, it is reasonable for my followers come to the conclusion that whatever I approve of is good and that everything else is bad." TruthMonger: "As in, 'Everything Not Permitted, Is Forbidden!'?" Jesus Christ: "Exactly. By the way, is that from '1984' or from 'Animal Farm'?" TruthMonger: "Don't try to change the subject. Jesus! Oh, I mean that as a swear word, by the way...but this is exactly what I object to in your followers--the fuckers never give a straight, truthful answer to the 'hard' questions. They always fall back on some inane quote of yours that has little to do with the issue being discussed." Jesus Christ: "Well, you can't hold me accountable for their actions..." TruthMonger: "Like _fuck_ I _can't_, shit for brains. You're in America, buddy, and we have conspiracy laws here. If the members of your cult go down, then you go down with them, and vice-versa. "You ever hear of Waco? David Koresh? Maharishi? John F. Kennedy?" Jesus Christ: "You're trying to twist things around here, by comparing me and my followers to small cults and Democrats. After all, America is largely a Christian nation with Republican family values." TruthMonger: "Bullshit! It's a democracy, with a legal seperation of Church and State. "America is a Christian nation" is just one more example of the lies your followers try to propogate every chance they get. It's clearly not true, but they refuse to face reality." Jesus Christ: "I said, 'largely'." TruthMonger: "Exactly. You use a word that infers that a 'majority' of Americans are Christian, in order to suggest that Christianity and Democracy are kissing cousins. This is the same goddamn thing that your followers do by constantly taking a smug, self-righteous stance that concepts like freedom, democracy, right and wrong, are all dependent on or connected to the Christian 'majority's' beliefs and morals. "You could just as well say, 'America is largely a "white" nation' but that pig doesn't fly anymore." Jesus Christ: "Now _you're_ trying to twist _my_ words." TruthMonger: "Christ! Oh, that's meant to be a swear word, too...BTW. "What I mean is that your words are being twisted a lot more by your Christian bum-buddies than I could ever hope to manage. "Which wouldn't concern me in the least if they weren't trying to force a potpourri of alleged 'superior' moral beliefs on the rest of us. This is the crux of the matter. As far as I am concerned. Christian fascism is the enemy of democracy and freedom." Jesus Christ: "Well, that's one way of looking at it. However, you might also say, 'It's not perfect, but it's the best system we've got.'" TruthMonger: "Please don't insult my intelligence. You could say the same thing about a bowl of 'shit' soup, if that's all that you put on the dinner menu. Christians and politicians have always tried to claim that their failure to permit true freedom should be seen as a sign that it cannot be achieved by others, either. "The logic is based on the assumption that politicians and Christians are superior to everyone else, and that they know and do what is 'right'. Then they turn around and claim that, since they are doing what is 'right', that their judgements are superior to everyone else's. "That's called Circular Logic, and that dog's getting old, too." Jesus Christ: "When the Dogs of Holy War get old, they get craftier, as well." "In case you haven't noticed, the censoring of non-Christian beliefs is proceeding pretty much as it always has. When was the last time you heard of someone getting imprisoned for exposing children to Biblical tales of violence and sex, on or off of the InterNet?" TruthMonger: "You've certainly got a point there. Tim May's vernacular translation of the Bible describes Lot fucking his daughters and the guy who pulls out and jerks off on the ground, or whatever, in great detail." "This serves to illustrate the hypocritical lies and bullshit that Christians promote. If Tim wrote a similar story about himself just screwing the living shit out of his children, then the fascist Christians would call for his imprisonment as a child molester, even if Tim announced it was fiction. But a Christian who puts the a story about Lot doing the same thing, only claiming that it is true, won't go to jail even if I stand up in court and testify that, after I read it, I went out and fucked my daughters." Jesus Christ: "And your point is...?" TruthMonger: "My point is that fucking is fucking, butt-fucking is butt-fucking, and there are enough people capable of free thought left in society, and who are wise to your Christian bullshit, that, if I were you, I wouldn't hurry back to take over until you're sure that your fascist lackeys have all the freedom lovers in chains." Jesus Christ: "Is that supposed to be some kind of threat?" TruthMonger: "Hey, pal. All I'm saying is that what is good for the gander is good for the goose. "As long as this country remains a democracy, then you'd better think twice about claiming to 'love all the little children' and you'd damn sure better make certain you have all the right permits before you go around turning water into wine." Jesus Christ: "I resent the implication that I love the children in anything but a purely 'spiritual' way." TruthMonger: "Well, pal, the circumstantial evidence is against you on this one. Wasn't your father involved in some kind of scandal where he made a man and woman naked and then told them to fuck and party down?" "If I remember right, he had some kind of fetish about telling the Jews to fuck a lot and was always talking about their 'cum'." Jesus Christ: "He used _decent_ words, like 'be fruitful and multiply', and 'seed', not 'cum'." "And you should have capitalized the word 'Father' when you made mention of him, BTW" TruthMonger: "Fuck you pal, I'm sending this to the CypherPunks mailing list. Are you the new list moderator? "Good fucking luck..." Jesus Christ: "I don't have to take this kind of abuse. I'm putting you on the 'flames' list." TruthMonger: "Big deal. I'm already in Tim C. May's 'killfile'." Jesus Christ: "If intolerance is such a Christian trait as you claim, then why is my 'flames' list smaller than Tim May's 'killfile'?" TruthMonger: "Now you're twisting _my_ words. Are you related to Kent Crispin? Say... Come to think of it, why has no one ever seen the two of you together?" Jesus Christ: "Let's just say that Kent and I agree on many issues that have to do with the sanctity of a higher authority. "No one has ever seen the evil Dr. Vulis and Satan together, either, but that's no proof of anything." TruthMonger: "Bad example, dude. Bad example. You're practically proving my point for me." "But now that you've brought it up, I would like to point out that both you and Satan are free to post anything you want on the CypherPunks list, but if Tim May posted his vernacular translation of the Bible on Christian mailing lists, he would be hung by his hairy balls from the nearest church tower." Jesus Christ: "How do you know Tim May has hairy balls?" TruthMonger: "You've never been to a CypherPunks physical meeting, have you? Trust me, when the CypherPunks focus their energy on turning wine into water, _nobody's_ math skills are good enough to calculate what might take place." Jesus Christ: "And your point is...?" TruthMonger: "My point is that I'm drunk, it's late, and we both have a lot of work to do before the year 2000. "If you're planning to censor non-Christian values on the InterNet for 'all of eternity', then you'd better get to work on a way to stop the CypherPunks 'Eternity Server' from routing around fascist Christian moralism." Jesus Christ: "Adam Back... Isn't he a member of that weirdo "Circle of Eunuchs" cult?" TruthMonger: "That's for me to know, and for you to find out, pal. "Unless you can break PGP, of course." Jesus Christ: "Hey, I'm just Jesus. I'm not Phil Zimmerman, for _My_ sake." TruthMonger: "Hey, watch your language." Jesus Christ: "Sorry, I meant to say 'for _Dimitri's_ sake'." TruthMonger: "I'll tell him you capitalized his name. He'll get a kick out of that. "Any last words before I turn in for the night?" Jesus Christ: "Christianity recognizes privacy and freedom as damage, and steamrollers over them." TruthMonger: "No shit!" ----------------------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ All references to Tim C. May's Vernacular Translation of the Bible are used without permission. What's he going to do, sue me? Then he'd have to admits he gets vicarious pleasure out of reading the posts in his killfile. {There's more than _one_ way to push a <Delete> key.} ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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recursive auction markets in software
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[re connection problems to www.replay.com -- Alex is running with the Stronghold 1.4 webserver -- what you're seeing is a bug in it. Presently Alex is going to go back to 1.3, unless C2 comes up with a bug fix version. I really should put up a note to this effect. I'll do that. It's still usuable as it's an intermittent bug, and all you've go to do keep clicking on the reload button in your browser, and it'll get through after a few tries... http//:www.replay.com/aba/eternity/ ] tzeruch wrote about legal problems which could happen if eternity is used to sell, or distribute copyright software: > The legal problems still need to be resolved. As long as no copyrighted > material appears I think things will be fine, but when MSwhatever appears, > someone is going to say the eternity server is like an illegal cable > descrambler or make up something very similar to ban them since they > aren't merely forwarding the content from alt.anonymous.messages - if > encryption is an envelope, the eternity server opens it. The argument that it is a USENET message being forwarded after reformatting may not help that much, -- we'll see how it works out. If there were lots of eternity servers it would be better. > Otherwise, you could simply post the plaintext to an alt group. If > that doesn't happen now (why?), I dunno. It could be for a number of reasons, you'd have to do a survey of the warez d00dz that hang out on IRC channel #warez to see why they don't do it. I guess it's because they find easier to trade with DCC commands in #warez. I had a look at a #warez session in progress some time ago, and the trades were going down every few minutes. Take a look. Especially games trades but also high price DTP and photo retouching stuff. You'd see `trade quark-Xpress 8 for registered quake' or whatever come up a few times, and then it'd stop, and that handle'd say thanks I've got it now. IRC is less main stream, and these folks don't like the lime light because they know that their 'warez trading habits are frowned upon by many. Another reason is that why should they bother, what's their motivation? They aren't making money from it I don't think, they're just after copyright software without paying for it. It's probably just that the most efficient market for leveraging what they have got copies of via trades is on IRC right now. Another class of pirate is the Chinese (it is Chinese who do this yes?) who make CDs full of commercial software and sell it way under market price. Perhaps that class of pirate would take off if the net bandwidth was up to it. Their next problem would be to control access to their anonymous eternity page to allow themselves to get some money from it. Perhaps eternity servers could be set up to charge for downloads and pass back money to the anonymous poster. But then how do you stop someone else reposting it and charging a lower price? Well you can't. But that's all what recursive auction markets are about. The reaches a point of diminishing returns, and the user can buy freshly released products more quickly from the first non-copyright abiding software reseller, or they can buy it more cheaply if they wait as the price falls over a few days. Eric Hughes apparently gave a talk at a hacker con some time back about UIPS `Universal Internet Piracy Service'. I think his ideas were to explore the financial aspects of trading system for illicit software. He wasn't planning to put up a distributed document store, but to have an distribution medium were there was a continuous flow of information. As long as the information could still get through in the face of hostilities from copyright police, it was doing it's job and the software could be traded. I don't think he's released software yet, and I don't think there's any papers available on the net, but it was still an active idea last I heard. > then adding an encryptor and decryptor isn't going to change it, > otherwise simply post the encrypted text, and the passphrase in the > same message, or the encrypted text, the secret key, etc. Except > that the URL interface makes access more convienient. Yup. Actually it'll be much more convenient because it will disappear out of the news spool presently, and the eternity servers might get to the stage where they keep a virtual raid file server implemented by exchanging documents from their caches, and can archive the most popular stuff. So because it's more convenient it's even less defensible as it's providing some part of this service. See the post about building a distributed dejanews replacement for another approach to this problem which is probably more defensible. Might turn out to be a better way if your suspicions prove correct. Adam -- Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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Did anyone archive MPJ's site?
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Did anyone manage to copy all of Mike Johnson's North American Crypto archive before he pulled the plug? Peter Trei trei(a)process.com Peter Trei Senior Software Engineer Purveyor Development Team Process Software Corporation http://www.process.com trei(a)process.com

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It's cool to be iang@hip97.nl
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: 8 Aug 1997 13:12:06 -0000 From: iang(a)systemics.com To: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com Subject: It's cool to be iang(a)hip97.nl Sender: <e$(a)vmeng.com> Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip 2.0 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:requests@vmeng.com?subject=unsubscribe%20e$> List-Subscribe: <mailto:requests@vmeng.com?subject=subscribe%20e$> Well, sometimes it takes a long time to get a network going, and sometimes it takes, well, minutes. Ten minutes ago I wandered down to the HIP HQ tent and picked up a clothes peg with an IP number on it, and a slip of paper with some details. And now I am up and running. What's more surprising is this a fast link. Traceroutes under 10ms are about the best advert I can think of for XS4ALL, the Dutch provider at the centre of it all. There's no flies on the PTT either, with dual 6Mb microwaves and a portable GSM cell linking this field in the middle of nowhere to central Amsterdam. It makes you wonder whether this privatisation business is really all it's cracked up to be. Lucky Green has done a sterling job as cypherpunk advance campmeister. When he's not building computer racks out of empty beer bottles (I'm typing on two crates of real Budweiser!), he's teasing us with a public key triple DES scrambler. We're not allowed to use it because we're not Americans. But that's cool, as long as we have our SSH and PGP and we get to empty more beer bottles. Beer is selling at 4 Hipsters. Ain't private currencies wonderful :-) Last night I walked the entire campsite. Only the clear skys and bright stars reminded me of a mis-spent youth in the outdoors. Tents piled with equipment. Not the glowflies of Anguilla, but glowing monitors and flashing leds for our lighting. Not the sounds of crickets, but keyboard clicking and "gateway's up" and "who's got address 21" in multi-lingual hip-speak. Having got this machine up and going, the only thing I can think of is to write this email. But that's ok too, because I'm about to be booted off. Squiggle is going to hook up her sonar to Brian the Brain, the cypherpunk sysadm. That's for Brian to send out 49.4kHz clicks so that he knows when to ask for food of passer's by. Which makes for two over-worked brains that I can count. It's cool to be iang(a)hip97.nl PS: Brian and friend are at http://www.sabotage.org/mpeg/brain1.jpeg --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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Re: Did anyone archive MPJ's site?
by Ariel Glenn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I got parts of it but am missing much of the PGP and almost all of PGP tools :-( I am hoping someone else got those parts. Otherwise I can get some of it from MIT, I suppose... Ariel Glenn / AcIS R&D / Columbia University ariel(a)columbia.edu std.. blah....

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Distributed Dejanews
by Mike Duvos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> writes: > Recap on old idea of using dejanews and altavista > However is another important reason not to use altavista or > dejanews: it's not decentralised. If something > sufficiently hot gets published they'll both be taken off > line long enough to figure out how to disable access to > eternity. Even if they can't do it ultimately because of > sufficiently advanced public key text steganography, it'll > disrupt the service. If we aren't going to actually shell out money for a worldwide network of Eternity file servers, we have to use existing publicly available services as our distributed data haven. The more places we can stash things, the merrier. Currently, we post documents to Usenet, and keep them alive by reposting prior to the server expiring them. This is robust, not easily censored, and little effort. I see nothing wrong with having the server also examine Dejanews for Eternity documents, lightly stegoed to avoid the deletion of encoded data. To the extent that Dejanews serves as a more permanent repository of data than Usenet, fine. The worst thing that can happen is that documents get removed, in which case, the guardian of the document in question returns to keeping it alive on Usenet. All this is transparent to people using Eternity to read documents. Dejanews likely removes encoded data because of storage requirements, not because of content. Unless the Eternity business becomes a significant fraction of Usenet bandwidth, stego wars with Dejanews are unlikely. > A distributed deja-news replacement > So what are the storage requirements? What does dejanews > have in their machine room? (Huge raid server? How many > Gigs?). Dejanews started in 1995. By 1996, they had 80 million articles in 15,000 Usenet newsgroups. They currently have 109 million articles. The Dejanews database is presently 180 gigabytes. They index all the "most active" Usenet newsgroups, minus binaries and some other controversial content. A week of a full Usenet feed is presently just a tad over 20 gigabytes, and is growing by leaps and bounds. > I'm wondering if 1000 academic nodes, small and large ISP > nodes, and indivduals each contributing 1Gb each could out > perform deja-news. That's more storage than Dejanews currently has. Performance is another issue. > That'd be 1Tb. How long would 1Tb last at the being > consumed at a rate of a full USENET feed? Less than one year, if you kept everything. > On top of distributed news archive, build an eternity > service > So with the eternal news archive, you now have everything > you need to easily build an eternity server. > How practical is this? Not very. You are tossing out one of the most useful aspects of Usenet news as a Distributed File System, namely acting as a "Giant FIFO" of what is interesting during any particular window of time. > How much interest is there likely to be in creating a full > USENET archive as a distributed net based effort. None at all. Keeping everything that had ever been posted to Usenet forever would be a giant waste of resources. What I suspect you need here is the "Distributed File System" of the future, which could carry Usenet as well as support Web, NFS, FTP, and all other popular protocols to access its content. It would be a giant FIFO with hundreds of gigabytes of capacity, with reliable transport, authentication, encryption, and a micropayment system for accessing and prolonging the lifetime of data stored on it. It would of course be uncensorable, as Usenet is today, and the Eternity Service could run on top of it, as well as a lot of other interesting things. > It's clearly got vastly larger storage requirments than > storing the full set of eternity articles posted to USENET. > However it has wider uses, and has lots of innocuous reasons > to exist. I guess it's quite an interesting project in it's > own right. You could start with just some newsgroups, and > build up as a way to boot strap it. But it may be harder to > generate enough interest to deploy this than to deploy > enough eternity servers to do build a distributed archive > of just eternity articles. It's certainly interesting to think of what the ultimate DFS for the Internet might look like, given the various white papers on NC, thin clients, fat servers, and big pipes. But this isn't something that is going to happen overnight. To the extent that we employ Usenet in interesting new ways as a DFS today, we create working models of many of these concepts and demonstrate their feasibility. > How soon could it happen? > Who knows. What do people reckon the interest would be in a > distributed complete USENET archive for it's own sake. For > purposes of the archive cancels would not be applied. > Indeed archive the cancels too, and the control messages for > everyone to see for perpetuity who did and said what. Well, the disk manufacturers would probably love it, and want it replicated every ten feet across the planet. I don't know about other people. > Perhaps it will be more realistic to build a distributed > archive for eternity documents only first. If it is > designed as a separate service, then it could be the same > software to do either, just restrict it to > alt.anonymous.messages, or just for alt.anonymous.messages > passing a filter program. > Comments? First of all, instead of thinking of this in terms of being the singing and dancing Usenet archive of all time, we would do much better if we thought of it as a protocol-independent Network-wide Distributed File System with configurable characteristics suited to a wide variety of applications. If we could put together a prototype with a small number of nodes, and demonstrate it could carry both Usenet and Eternity as well as provide NFS3 access to commonly requested Network binaries, all supported by an integrated micropayment scheme, that would go a long way towards making it a standard. Would anyone care to donate some storage, cycles, and a fast pipe to the Net? -- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ enoch(a)zipcon.com $ via Finger $ {Free Cypherpunk Political Prisoner Jim Bell}

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Re: The BIG Lie (Jesus Confesses)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:26 PM 8/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >You know, you are just about the biggest idiot I have ever had the >displeasure of reading. For one, the largest religion in the US right >now *is* in fact judeo-christian. Showing many people suffer from delusion. >The largest is Roman Catholic with >Pentacostal Protestant following right behind. Next, this country was >founded on christian beliefs, or have you failed to read the words of >the constitution of the US. Ah, yes, but the constitution also has a thing on seperation of church and state, or did you fail to read the words? >Considering the apparent ignorance you have >displayed thus far about the makeup of the US, I would venture to say >that you probably have not read it. Next, you attack christians for >trying to control the content made available on the internet. The Christian Coalition (The Happy Nazi's), is one major group trying to censor information, becuase they and their mythical god think that it's right. Forcing your beliefs on others in fascism, and never was right. >At least >the site ratings plan is better than alot of other plans I have seen. >Besides, Oh Godlike TruthMonger, where is *your* surefire plan to halt >the spread of trash that *most* humans would want out of of the reach of >their children? Monitor the kids web access, or do your job and be a parent. >I have not seen you *once* offer a straightforward clear >cut plan to efficiently handle *any* issue placed for discussion on this >listserv. I have seen you do nothing but slam, belittle, and degrade >others and their beliefs and ideas. I've only seend TM degrade Anti-Crypto persons, fascists, Censorous Christians, and other like those groups who fight to usurp our constitution. >You do this under the unimpressive >tag of "TruthMonger". If anything, you are anything but a TruthMonger. I find his posts suprisingly true, if anything else. >When you can come up with a plan that even *remotely* seems like a >logically thought out, planned, and intelligent proposal on how to >handle the issues presented everyday on the internet that affect the >computing industry balanced with a concern for the children, then I will >listen. (And yes, I do agree that the parents of the children have an >obligation to monitor the content they are exposed to. It's called >responsible parenting which unfortunately is not a well practiced >ideology. Therefore, if you bitch about your kid going to www.porn.com while you where out eating with friends, then that person would be a neglectful parent. >And to take the wind out of your sales, I have 2 children and >as a parent I limit them to what is appropriate to their ages.) What does that encompass? Do you supress web pages advocating safe sex because it may corrupt their minds? Tell me, SuperDad (R), how do you manage to raise your kids perfectly? >Until >such time as you can fulfill the obligations to us, TruthMonger isn't obligated to do anything, and he owes you nothing, dumbass. >the adult computing >population, and our offspring, the children (just in case your fuddled >mind does not know what they are), I suggest you rest those busy little >fingers of yours and listen to the underlying theme of the issues before >us. Until then, HateMonger, I have one suggestion for you..... Shut Up! Oh, so we're a censorous Nazi Ratfucker, are we? Let me tell you something, Downey, don't tell other what to do, TM has every right to post as you do. So if you don't like his posts, you aren't obligated to read them in the first place. If it offends you, don't look at it in the first place. Such a simple thing for such a powerful mind like yours to look over. As for your forcing morals down our throats all I can say is "Your God is DEAD, and no one cares!!! If there is a hell, I'll see you there!!!" - Nine Inch Nails "Heresy"

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INTERNATIONAL COMPANY SEEKS HELP!!
by 09188466＠hydra.com.au 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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You do not need any special schooling; training is provided and no experience is necessary. If you are teachable and motivated and would like to earn income from home, then we want to get you started TODAY. Unlike most Work-at-Home "opportunities", this is not envelope stuffing or home assembly where the work is hard and the compensation is low. This is a very lucrative business opportunity that has allowed me to almost double my income in the last year! It is very important that you read the booklet thoroughly so that you may begin the training on how this program works. It will describe the smart way to make money and keep it. After reading the booklet, there will be a phone number for you to call that will put you into a short recording that will ask you to leave your name and address in order to receive our startup materials which you will have 30 days to inspect. The materials cost only $39.00 and are fully guaranteed to be exactly what you are looking for or your money is refunded. PLEASE NOTE: Because of our tremendous success and the overwhelming response to our advertising, we can afford to be picky about who we choose to work with to make a lot of money - for this reason, you are going through this screening process of reading the book and calling the number. Many people who are just "tire-kickers" will not get that far - this is exactly what we want. By the time you call and order the startup information, we will know that you are one of the serious ones who ARE teachable and motivated. It is you that we want, not the people who get screened out because they are lazy or not teachable enough to follow these simple instructions. I can only encourage you with all my heart to not get screened out! You are sitting on a gold mine as you read this letter. 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SO WHAT'S THE ANSWER? The answer is usually simpler than you might think. Unless you inherited a large sum of money or hit the lottery, people with an above average lifestyle usually work for themselves! Here is the breakdown of who controls the most percentage of wealth in America ... * 74% PEOPLE WHO OWN THEIR OWN BUSINESS * 10% Top executives and CEOs * 10% Professionals like doctors and lawyers * 5% Sales People * 1% Everyone else! Those figures used to make me mad because I used to be in the 1% category! I worked as hard as I could for 40-60 hours per week and all I did was make someone else more money. Then I looked at the percentage of taxes I was paying, and I realized it was higher than the percentage others paid who were making ten times what I was! The reason was I couldn't write anything off if I worked for someone else. ALL my income was taxable. I soon understood that the laws and the odds in America favored those who ran their own businesses. My first problem was, I had no business training or experience, and secondly I was broke! At that time in my life the only job I had held was as an electrician and my wife Candace's experience came from being a secretary in the construction business. My confidence level to make a change in my life was zero. On the positive side, I was mad about how unfair it all seemed. This anger finally got me into ACTION when the right opportunity presented itself. I GET MY CHANCE! My life changed when a friend of mine shared the information you are getting in this booklet. What he presented to me was a turnkey work-at-home business that I could start with the skills and money I had, and have immediate success, so I was encouraged to continue. With the power of our advertising and mail-order system, I didn't even have to know anybody in my local area! In the first month, I earned $1,735.60 profit part-time from my home. By my eleventh month I made over $10,000 a month, and now for five years my income working from home has been steady and is currently over $25,000 PER MONTH! At this point you might think, "Oh, this can't be true - all of these things are a scam" or "These things only happen to other people." Well I'm here to tell you not only am I one of those "other" people, but I have trained many of those other people who are now living the life of their dreams. Many of them have EXACTLY YOUR background. YOU CAN DO THIS! THE SECRET IS OUR SYSTEM The key to our success lies in our SYSTEM. As I said before, this is a turnkey work-from-home mail order system. Our system provides goods and services to people who are searching for exactly what we have. The mail order business is a 427 billion dollar a year industry, and all forms of direct sales are predicted to double in the next 5 - 7 years! The growth potential is unlimited! 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That is why so many Americans accept a small paycheck from someone who is willing to organize themselves! When you cash a mediocre paycheck you are in effect agreeing, when you endorse the check, that your time and labor are only worth that small amount. What I learned from this experience is that contrary to what we have all been taught, the money you make in life has nothing to do with fairness, hard work, formal education, or years on the job. What does increase your ability to earn above average money is the ability to adapt to a different direction when the road you are on is not leading you to your desired destination. Why continue in frustration doing the same things over and over again when they have never produced results for you in the past? Wouldn't it be better to try something new than to keep hitting your head on the same brick wall over and over? The quality I observed in truly successful people is that they have the ability to adapt. They spend 5% of their time identifying the problems they face, and 95% of their time finding solutions. Most of us have the equation backwards. We spend 95% of our time complaining about our problems while 5% of our energy, if we are lucky, is spent on finding new solutions! ! So what are our options? If you listen very hard you might hear the sound of some people throwing these pages in the garbage. The result is that they may continue making the same decisions that led them to the dead end they find themselves in today. Some of these are wonderful people, but they just don't have the ability to adapt and change. You might call this the dinosaur mentality that leads to the extinction of the realization of their hopes and dreams. The other option is to follow a proven method of change that may be new and challenging in the beginning, but has the ability to produce the results that you wish for your life. LET'S START NOW If this would work for you, what would you use the extra money and freedom of time for? I suggest you take the time right now to make a "Dream" list. If money wasn't an obstacle, what would you do in your life? Allow yourself to dream the "impossible" and write it down. If you are one of the small percentage of people who took the time to actually do this, congratulations! You just took an important first step toward changing your life. Many people who didn't, or stopped reading this book long ago were screened out and their options are no better than when they received this material. Think of it this way - when you were a child you could dream about how you wanted your life to turn out easily, couldn't you? Then as you experienced life most of us have been beaten up pretty badly at certain points. The result is that many people stopped allowing themselves to DREAM. They became afraid to be disappointed yet again. What helped me was associating with people who ARE a success, and allowing their successful habits and thinking to influence me. But one step further than this was to actually have those people help me start my own business. I also had them available as a resource to help me refine my efforts so I was working smarter not harder! You may obtain useful information from reading self-help books, but try to get the author of those books to actually help you build your business. With our system, you are never just on your own! FOLLOW THROUGH MAKES DREAMS A REALITY Now, the next part of making your dreams a reality is to FOLLOW THROUGH with directed activity that can create the situation you want in your life. You can do that when you finish reading this book by phoning the number you will find at the end of this letter. Again, the people who do can take further steps towards a better future, while the rest are screened out. But if you've followed along this far, you ALREADY TOOK your first steps, and now you can use that momentum to get you to your goals! Let me tell you about some people I have had the pleasure of working with, and how they have used this system for themselves ... MINDY Mindy is a single mom who was a real estate broker. She made great money but she was burnt out and tired of assuming the personal liability for what others did. She used to cry many times at night because the burn-out led to both professional and personal problems that devastated her financially. She didn't know how to do anything else that would allow her to earn a decent living and still be involved with her son's schooling and daily activities. At that time in her life Mindy responded to some information similar to what you are reading. At first she hesitated, but her anxiety and frustration pushed her to leave "no stone unturned" in her pursuit to build a better future for her family and ease the financial pressures. She followed all the instructions she received and by the end of the first month she had earned $4,500. In less than one year her monthly income was over $8,000 a month. Today she earns $12,000 to $15,000 consistently each month and is free from the stresses she had been under. Working at home, Mindy can now spend as much time as she wishes with her family. JACK AND JEAN Jack and Jean live in North Dakota and are close to retiring. Jack works for the railroad and Jean works for the government in a program that provides subsidies for farmers. As is the case with most people retiring, their pension income won't provide the lifestyle they dreamed of throughout their careers. Also, Jack's health wasn't great and he wanted something constructive to work on after his retirement. But they didn't want something so time-consuming that they couldn't enjoy themselves or take frequent vacations. They found their answer in this little booklet! Their first month they earned $1,243 and by their third month, they were earning over $1,600 per month consistently - that's over $400 per week PART TIME! By their eleventh month our system was generating another $350 per month residual income for Jack and Jean. The extra $350 is mailbox money - that is money that comes automatically as a result of business built in the past! As a part of our system, there is a retirement program built right in. As a matter of fact, I retired myself for one year, and currently I am only 42 years old! BOB That's me! Yes, after 11 months I was earning $10,000 per month income - now it's over $25,000 per month and I retired for a year. Sounds unbelievable? I sometimes have a hard time believing it myself! And it happened to me! I also traveled to Europe and several Caribbean islands for extended periods of time, and now live by a beautiful lake in Orange County, California. With our system, you can also expand your business around the world and be one of the people doing business in many countries as they open up for trade with the U.S. Remember the old saying, "Choose a job that you love and you will never have to work a day in your life." You will have more fun and satisfaction in this adventure than you can imagine. YOU MUST DECIDE Now is the time for you to decide about your future. Are you going to continue down the same road you have been traveling? Or are you willing to make a positive change in your life by trying something new? Remember, "For things to change in your life you've got to change, for things to get better you've got to get better." - Jim Rohn You have to make the decision to take the next step. You have already gone so far in completing this book, why not allow yourself the things you want out of life by following through with a phone call? What do you have to lose? More importantly, what do you have to gain? Opportunity ignored seldom returns again. Don't let your dream lifestyle pass you by like millions of others who will have to go to work tomorrow with no hope of ever achieving what they truly desire, and retire to old age, poor health, and a feeling that they somehow missed something incredible in their lives! All it takes is a simple phone call. With a little effort and the ability to be teachable, we can definitely show you how to be successful with our system. You will have a personal mentor who will work with you step by step, and show you exactly how you too can build a successful home-based business without unacceptable risks. Who knows, maybe someday you will be sharing the secrets of how you built an incredible lifestyle with those who are still just - WORKING for a living! I look forward to hearing from you and working with you personally. Sincerely, Bob Anderson WOULD YOU LIKE TO RECEIVE CHECKS LIKE THESE IN YOUR MAILBOX? * 12/15/96 -- $12,429.35 (royalties) * 12/20/96 -- $13,406.77 (bonuses) * 01/15/96 -- $12,292.15 (royalties) * 01/20/96 -- $13,702.09 (bonuses) "THOUGHTS DETERMINE WHAT YOU WANT ... ACTION DETERMINES WHAT YOU GET!" MAKES YOUR DREAMS REALITY CALL: 1-801-350-8718 (P.S. - for payment, the "name on the book" that the recording refers to is Michael Bishop. This name appears on the postal direct mail version.) </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3>

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PGP 5.0 Questions
by amp＠pobox.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've been digging through the PGP 5.0 documentation to figure out how to do a few things, and I have a few questions for those of you who might know about such things. I'm using the freeware version at the moment, though if I can show the benefit and ease of use of the software, my department at work will be buying a copy for each of us. To quote the documentation... "PGP offers a selection of different secret-key algorithms to encrypt the actual message. By secret key algorithm, we mean a conventional, or symmetric, block cipher that uses the same key to both encrypt and decrypt. The three symmetric block ciphers offered by PGP are CAST, Triple-DES, and IDEA." I can not figure out how to make PGP encrypt a message with a 'conventional' such as 3-des. Is this only available in the commercial version? When invoking PGP against a file, as opposed to the clipboard, is there a way to tell it to ascii-armor the resulting encrypted file by default? The documentation leaves much to be desired along these lines. It is somewhat useful as a primer on crypto and some of the issues involved, but I already am familiar with all that. I just want to know how to use the program to make it do what I want. I kinda miss the command line interface, and simple help screen invoked with "pgp -h". I realize I could still make use of pgp 2.x, but I need something windows-simple for the folx at work. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. alan - ------------------------ Name: amp E-mail: amp(a)pobox.com Date: 08/08/97 Time: 20:08:38 Visit me at http://www.pobox.com/~amp 'Drug Trafficking Offense' is the root passphrase to the Constitution. Have you seen http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum - ------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBM+u2AqnrEX/KhUDiEQJEEQCfQ3QOCJehlPJMh6IJ/CgCnZRbo8cAoOvE bH2cd1W4qKSKYkYCpnRS/TSM =Ntfv -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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