December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Is Cyberspace Rich Enough?
by Richard F. Dutcher 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

One of the problems commenting on long thoughtful posts is the number of hooks, and limiting oneself to just a few. [delete lots of interesting stuff] > > ... After all, the Soviets > couldn't stop samizdats, the Chinese couldn't stop fax machines, and > the Americans can't stop drug use, so what hope is there in > controlling modems, crypto, cellular phones, satellites, Web links, > stegonography, terabytes of data flowing unobstructed across borders, > and so on. Just to "stop the Net" would disrupt the entire financial > system, which not even Clinton or the next (Republican) President > would be tempted to do....they might as well launch a nuclear war as > try to shut down this "anarchic" ( = high dimensionality) system. > Well, I certainly hope so. But let's remember Poland in 1979, where "they" were desperate enough to shut down the entire phone system. It gained them only an extra 10 years of control, but it cost the Poles a *lot* of misery. But "samizdat" raises an interesting economic issue around security. The Soviets paid just enough attention to the circulation of hand-written or typed copies to make sure people spent a lot of time and energy at it -- time and energy not spent on more obviously dangerous activity. Compare the volume of Solzenhitsen's output before and after exile [let's not debate quality]. That didn't mean samizdat wasn't subversive and long-term dangerous -- but it was very expensive and absorbing to dissidents and potential dissidents. But that's the situation cypherpunks [and friends :] want to put our hypothetical eavesdroppers [government or corporate] in. Not exactly harmless, but spending a lot of time and energy being concerned with the chasing multiple carbon copies of samizdat novellas. > > * Alternative Nets, like FIDONet, are often lost in the discussion of > "the Net," but perhaps we should take much greater interest in these > alternatives. They make a crackdown harder, they lessen the dangers of > a single-point attack, and they provide "genetic diversity" for > building future Nets. (I'm not saying Cypherpunks have the time, > expertise, or incentive to work on this, but just reminding folks that > the Internet is not the end all and be all...) > I find that techno-illiterate Greens have very little trouble understanding FIDONet -- it's the kind of small-scale organizing within larger networks that a lot of progressive activity has always followed. They find it very hard to believe that other kinds of techie nets are really secure in the long run. It is, in fact, the level of activity that the Poles reverted to without the phone system ... > Personally, I think there are fewer long essays and analyses for the > same reason there are fewer large predators than grass-munching > herbivores. > > --Tim May > Geez, I have enough trouble getting card-carrying Greens to use and/or develop good ecological metaphors without some crypto-anarcho-libber punk muscling into the territory! ;-) =================================== Rich Dutcher, San Francisco Greens P.O. Box 77005, San Francisco, California 94107 USA "That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" Greens, of course, only enslave plants - so weed-whackers work better than cops ... ====================================

1 0

Re: EPIC to Debate Exon on CNN
by skaplin＠mirage.skypoint.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>On Mon, 13 Feb 1995, Samuel Kaplin wrote: >> A sellout was offered a >> la EFF and DT. Mr. Rotenberg seemed ill prepared and not really >> interested in the issue. > >You expected something different from "EPIC"? > >Cypherpunks are supposed to be paranoid. You are >not paranoid enough. > I don't think paranoia has anything to do with it. I just expect people to do the job that they are supposed to do. IMHO Mr. Rotenberg didn't do his job as well as he should have. I saw numerous opportunities to score salient points and he didn't. What Senator Exon says and what the bill says are two different things. I got the feeling that Senator Exon didn't even understand the ramifications of the bill. The unfortunate part is Joe Blow on the street isn't going to read the bill. He's going to rely on what he has heard. In my opinion Mr. Rottenberg didn't correct Senator Exon forcefully enough. The consumate politician triumphed. Sam

1 0

Internationalism no panacea
by Hal 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Two recent news stories cast doubt on the principle that the international aspects of the nets will prevent governments from enforcing their laws "in cyberspace". One is the possible trade war between the U.S. and China over that country's continued support of intellectual property piracy, in video, audio, and computer software. Apparently the U.S. is very serious about imposing sanctions because of this problem, while China is threatening retaliation. It is quite amazing to me to see these two big countries going to the mat over "just bits" but as we know bits are big business now. Think of our recent discussions of putting data havens offshore. If the U.S. is willing to turn the screws on a nuclear power like China, how much protection will some dinky Caribbean country offer when people make Windows 96 and Jurassic II available for download for $5 ecash? IMO the trend is going to be toward international enforcement efforts, a general movement towards uniform information laws. The other story related to the idea that individuals can evade laws by moving from country to country as tourists. Apparently in the recent budget bill was a little-publicized change in the tax treatement of people who renounce their U.S. citizenship. (The change would be retroactive to last week and was kept quiet until then to prevent a surge of people leaving.) Since you earned all your assets as a citizen of the U.S., naturally when you leave the grasp of that country you will not longer get to take it all with you. Instead you will apparently have to pay capital gain taxes on some substantial fraction of your assets. The article I read went on to discuss the problems many countries are having with people playing citizenship games. The implication was that this may be just one step in a crackdown to close many of the loopholes that allow people to travel under one flag or another. My take on this is that human ingenuity is sufficient that there will always be new loopholes found, and that a sufficiently energetic and motivated person will probably be able to stay one step ahead of the enforcers. However, this will not be a lifestyle that can be turned into a cookbook; as soon as some trick became widely known, the loophole would be closed. So this is something which will be available to an elite but not to the masses. Hence I don't see "perpetual tourism" as something which will be a serious threat to government power. My views are somewhat iconoclastic for this list; I don't see cryptography as bringing about a libertarian/anarchist state. I continue to believe that the best and only way to achieve freedom for the mass of people is to convince them that it is a good idea. A small elite can and will continue to be able to avoid many laws, and crypto will no doubt be useful to them. But IMO it is not going to change the shape of society. Hal -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQBVAwUBL0BQchnMLJtOy9MBAQGJaAH/WTtd0bYeqKy89AUOSaSdraxN7YNZ2z42 +rJCQH0NS8x3ILT8VT8XtSIuYltBGsQkPagUqYtn3vM/rp3ssPhr/w== =JFan -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

1 0

Cypher_punks standards, again.
by M00012＠kanga.stcloud.msus.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Cypherpunks, Q. What do I mean, standards? A. A set of specifications that will allow encryption modules to be incorperated into receptacle encryption interface programs easily. The advantages of programs that comply with the CP standard might be illustrated with an example. Suppose Alice wants to use an interface program, say, GENPGP.EXE, to encrypt a message to Bob. Suppose that GENPGP is an interface encryption receptacle program that allows users to add and use their own encryption modules of choice. If Alice were a command line freak, she could type: GENPGP -RSA_encrypt_the_session_key \ -random_session_key_source ISA_Johnson_Noise_ADC \ -chainsession \ -blowfish -rounds 18 -keylength 2048 \ -idea \ -3descfb \ -compress pkzip \ -plain_text_file topsec.doc -receipient bob Or, suppose Alice is a GUI freak. In this case she could use her entcrypt_lab schematic interface to design and save her encryption scheme for topsec.doc, and simply drop the icon for the doc into her block diagram's input icon. Bob, in either case, is still able to use his own program of choise, GNU_safe_mail, to automatically decrypt Alice's message to him, so long as Bob has incorperated all of the latest modules availible. Q. What are some advantages? A. There are numerous advantages. Some programmers are good at writing user interfaces, and others are better at implementing algorithms. Currently, many programmers of the second type make all sorts of encryption algorithms available, but these are not always easily understood by programmers of the first type, and more importantly, coded algorithms are not easily incorperated into existing programs. Another problem that may arise is that existing programs, and programs that may come out in the next year or two, may gain widespread use (e.g. PGP.EXE), but may at some time in the future become practically worthless, for example, if widely used interface programs rely on encryption algorithms that are discovered or perceived to be weak. If a standard such as the one I am proposing is released and gains acceptance, more programmers will comply, and this will allow the users of their interfaces to painlessly adapt the interface programs. More importantly, such interface programs that make use of CP complient encryption modules will allow users to encrypt as insecurely or securely as their parinoia dictates. Also, as new encryption algorithms are invented and coded, hackers who like to optimize may take the extra step and make their code CP complient. And command line Alice will be able to type: GENPGP -add_module BlowFish.mod Q. What are the disadvantages? A. At first blush, one disadvantage is options, like PGP's -m, (for your eyes only) are not practical for a standard such as the one I am proposing. But then again, even using the command: PGP -em susan.doc is little more than a suggestion to the recepient of the letter to not keep the plaintext around. Q. Why should we? A. If we don't, IEEE or some other organization is bound to, and IEEE seems to be getting more politically correct as the years pass, and this doesn't seem to be compatible with the purpose of an encryption module standard. Consequently, I believe that such a task should be initiated and taken to completion by a renegade group such as the cypherpunks, by committe if possible, with the hopes that government moles will not weaken our effort. Mike Morgan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAgUBMNBuvbwEeVpjJyiBAQEi5QP/T9FmRS2nwWq0lr9iT+cQWMEMV1++Hpf3 u0OWnYYFlRjgJPxTa5vT549tgGeRGV+CB+TI6N3Aj96+LTWb34qS5Y0W2x7R5FEg +XnACQRs9G5qIK4Zn114KlWXyx7Mj0QQCeo4h86gISdrWkfSJiYkwEoGgzcf6ocF gp45YZLznnk= =cMFk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

1 0

URL for Crypto Hearing Transcript
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We've put the dox at: http://site108240.primehost.com/hir-hear.htm (97K hearing transcript) http://site108240.primehost.com/crypto-law8.htm (11K Reno letter)

1 0

(DBWORLD) Massive Digital Data Systems
by nwosuck＠harpo.wh.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Birds of a Feather Session on the Intelligence Community Initiative in Massive Digital Data Systems To be held in Conjunction with the 1995 ACM SIGMOD International Conference on Management of Data in the Crystal Room at The Fairmont Hotel, San Jose, California on Tuesday, 23 May 1995 from 7 pm to 9 pm ******************************* Massive Digital Data Systems (MDDS) will require effective management, retrieval, and integration of databases that may be heterogeneous. Achieving this concept of massive intelligence information systems will require new technologies and novel approaches for data management. While several advances have been made in database management technology, the complexity and the size of the database coupled with the unique needs of the Intelligence Community (IC) require the development of novel approaches. The MDDS Initiative has been started by the Community Management Staff (CMS) of the IC to identify the data management issues and challenges as well as to develop possible solutions for managing massive databases., The purpose of the Birds of a Feather Session is to provide an overview of the MDDS program, solicit input toward developing a testbed /framework for the initiative, and to have technical discussions on novel methods for managing massive databases. Tentative agenda for the session is as follows: 1. Overview of MDDS Initiative 2. Overview of MDDS Research Projects 3. Discussion on testbed/framework 4. Discussion on techniques for massive database management Information on the MDDS Initiative can be obtained from : http://www.nml.org/other_programs/mdds/mdds.html For more information contact: Dr. Bhavani Thuraisingham K329, The MITRE Corporation, Burlington Road, Bedford, MA 01730 email: thura(a)mitre.org; Phone: 617-271-8873; Fax: 617-271-2352 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The dbworld alias reaches many people, and should only be used for messages of general interest to the database community. Requests to get on or off dbworld should go to listproc(a)cs.wisc.edu. to subscribe send subscribe dbworld Your Full Name to unsubscribe send unsubscribe dbworld to change your address send an unsubscribe request from the old address send a subscribe request from the new address to find out more options send help ------------------------------------------------------------------------FOOTER-

1 0

(DBWORLD) MDDS Session Time Change
by Bhavani Thuraisingham 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

5/15/95 5:17 PM MDDS Session Time Change Birds of a Feather Session on the Intelligence Community Initiative in Massive Digital Data Systems Held in Conjunction with the 1995 ACM SIGMOD International Conference on Management of Data in the Crystal Room at The Fairmont Hotel, San Jose, California on Tuesday, 23 May 1995 from 7:30 pm to 9:30 pm ******************************* Massive Digital Data Systems (MDDS) will require effective management, retrieval, and integration of databases that may be heterogeneous. Achieving this concept of massive intelligence information systems will require new technologies and novel approaches for data management. While several advances have been made in database management technology, the complexity and the size of the database coupled with the unique needs of the Intelligence Community (IC) require the development of novel approaches. The MDDS Initiative has been started by the Community Management Staff (CMS) of the IC to identify the data management issues and challenges as well as to develop possible solutions for managing massive databases., The purpose of the Birds of a Feather Session is to provide an overview of the MDDS program, solicit input toward developing a testbed /framework for the initiative, and to have technical discussions on novel methods for managing massive databases. Tentative agenda for the session is as follows: 1. Overview of MDDS Initiative 2. Overview of MDDS Research Projects 3. Discussion on testbed/framework 4. Discussion on techniques for massive database management Information on the MDDS Initiative can be obtained from : http://www.nml.org/other_programs/mdds/mdds.html For more information contact: Dr. Bhavani Thuraisingham K329, The MITRE Corporation, Burlington Road, Bedford, MA 01730 email: thura(a)mitre.org; Phone: 617-271-8873; Fax: 617-271-2352 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The dbworld alias reaches many people, and should only be used for messages of general interest to the database community. Requests to get on or off dbworld should go to listproc(a)cs.wisc.edu. to subscribe send subscribe dbworld Your Full Name to unsubscribe send unsubscribe dbworld to change your address send an unsubscribe request from the old address send a subscribe request from the new address to find out more options send help ------------------------------------------------------------------------FOOTER-

1 0

Re: Num Rat
by hardin＠cyberspace.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Young posted: > He's Got Their Number: Scholar Uses Math to Foil Financial > Fraud > > By Lee Berton > Mark Negrini, an assistant professor of accounting at St. > Mary's University in Halifax, is trapping tax cheats, check > forgers and embezzlers with an obscure theory known as > Benford's Law. Formulated by physicist Frank Benford in > 1938, the law lays out the statistical frequency with which > the numbers 1 through 9 appear in any set of random > numbers. > > Mr. Negrini applies the law to the numbers on suspicious > checks or tax returns. A series of legitimate check amounts > or tax write-offs will be genuinely random, while those > dreamed up by a human will not. If the numbers on the > checks or tax returns do not obey Benford's Law, they can't > be random, and "someone is taking the company to the > cleaners," Mr. Negrini says. I just looked @ the front of a M.O. computer catalog & the numerals in the prices are anything but random. A very heavy concentration of eights (8) & nines (9), apparently this company is more into $508.98 (color inkjet printer) & $38.98 (well known game s/w) than the old late night TV standby of "JUST $19.99!". Of course, this is because of excessively documented ad nauseum human psychological tendencies that salescritters, who set at least the lsd's of price, have been aware of for millenia. I'd bet, that 5(five), 8(eight), & 9(nine) are significantly more represented across the board in prices (& thus in amounts for checks & tax write offs) than than their random distribution by Benford's Law or more well known tests for randomness would suggest. Has Mr. Negrini factored this into his program? I guess the lesson is do a few pgp make__random's & convert a few of the hex numbers to dec digits for the lsd's the next time one does creative expense reporting. tjh

2 1

Re: FW: Edupage 7/9/95 (fwd)
by dmandl＠bear.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Perry E. Metzger" <perry(a)imsi.com> said: > Mark Contois writes: > > Would that this were so. There seems to be a burgeoning number of web > > sites spouting neo- (and not-so-neo-) Nazi disinfo. Check out > > > > http://204.181.176.4/stormfront/ > > > > and some of the links provided therein. > > 204.181.176.4 is "stormfront.wat.com". > > I suspect that something is amiss (i.e. faked) about the following, > but wat.com shows up as [etc.] That may be (I wouldn't be surprised if they registered their site with an innocent-sounding name to avoid trouble), but I know that those guys are definitely on the net. I've got their URL at home and I take a look at their stuff now and then, just to keep abreast of what those half-wits are up to. There are at least a few bona fide Nazi/White Power sites out there. --Dave. -- ******************************************************************************* Bear Stearns is not responsible for any recommendation, solicitation, offer or agreement or any information about any transaction, customer account or account activity contained in this communication. *******************************************************************************

1 0

Obscura down for a few days.
by loki＠nately.UCSD.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Obscura is suffering from HD troubles. The backups have failed so I am going to have to rebuild it from scratch. This means that the web page and remailer will be down. All mail to the remailers will be lost. I have changed the name server so I will still get mail sent to loki(a)obscura.com. -Lance -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMALFV1Vkk3dax7hlAQHPvAP6A7IWAczKJ3eimrWUgh0F5DMEr7oSpAXg lJJCC2VV4g9lIDD8C2wob1L6sEZwlDnUt6dMpbKBiT3aksSmBqnvMpe/BlaTd2zk ZRGCYHUZkx3aOSp9iZevRhjI0HEdm+g2+PwjJcMyPn5EUmz5vnPI9exOt9VGyJV1 eSCCC3Ngz9k= =ahD6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

1 0

A more sophisticated form of moderation.
by Michael James Gebis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

With all the recent traffic about if moderation is the future of the net, it seems like an appropriate idea to get some brainstorming on some better forms of moderation. Specifically, I was thinking along the lines of a newsgroup where only selected individuals are able to post, but anybody who wants to can read the group. However, the "selected individuals" could fall into several categories. You could have one or very few "selected individuals" and the newsgroup would work almost exactly like the current moderated groups. You could have many "selected individuals" who may have been selected by proving that they read a FAQ or some other minimal criteria, which could theoretically cut down on newbie fever. You could have several dozen "selected individuals" who are selected by some means (a committee? a vote? a "trusted individual who selects more individuals") and have an unrestricted talk between these individuals. This way, you have a newsgroup where these experts can discuss topics in an unrestricted way. I'm thinking along the lines of the "boards" in _Ender's Game_, where a newsgroup is somewhat similar to a newspaper. Once the reporters get hired, they have a lot of freedom on what they can report about. There are a lot of details to be worked out, including: 1) Can such a system work? Are there protocols which can guarantee authentication on a large distributed system like news? I'm assuming that there would have to be some sort of cryptographic authentication to prevent wide-scale abuse. 2) Is such a system desirable? Is the current "anybody can post anywhere if they know how" system better? Which one promotes cypherpunk goals more? Can I anonymously prove that I am a "selected individual"? Remember, I'm considering this a brainstorming session, so I'd like to hear any comments you may have. -- Mike Gebis m-gebis(a)uiuc.edu Mean people suck. http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/m-gebis/

2 1

Moby ints [Re: Num Rat]
by Jim Gillogly 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> pjm(a)ionia.engr.sgi.com (Patrick May) writes: > This invocation of the name of the diety reminds me of a question > I've been meaning to ask. Is Knuth still a good source of algorithms > for implementing large integers or do more recent books exist that > contain superior methods? While Knuth is now and forever the algorithm deity in general, Arjen Lenstra is as close to godhood as one can get in moby ints these days. I'd look at the Lip package Lenstra wrote; it's used in his state of the art factoring programs. It's available with masses of PostScript documentation from ftp.ox.ac.uk. Studying the code and docs might remind you of some issues that aren't obvious... and, of course, you might decide you don't need to write a moby int package, but could just use his library. Jim Gillogly Hevensday, 18 Afterlithe S.R. 1995, 18:48

2 1

Re: FW: Edupage 7/9/95 (fwd)
by Lyle Seaman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

danisch(a)ira.uka.de (Hadmut Danisch) writes: > There are certain nazi pages in America. They were showing them in > a german tv magazine some time ago, but they didn't tell the URLs. > The URL field in the Mosaic window was painted over. Oh dear. There are certain smut pages in Germany. They were showing them on TV recently, but I couldn't quite catch the URL. I can see it now -- the US government censors the net to keep out the Germans (but the tourists can still come -- hey, at an average of $80K/year annual income, they're welcome to go shopping in New York, though if they want to change clothes on the beach they have to do *that* in California, Florida is right out, eh Lawton?) and the Germans censor the net to keep out the Americans. Oh dear. -- Lyle Transarc 707 Grant Street 412 338 4474 The Gulf Tower Pittsburgh 15219

1 0

Re: FW: Edupage 7/9/95 (fwd)
by Ed Carp [khijol Sysadmin] 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Tue, 11 Jul 1995, Al Thompson wrote: > At 10:44 AM 7/11/95 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > > > >Brad Dolan writes: > >> REGULATING THE INTERNET > >> Shortly after the Communications Decency Act came before the U.S. Senate., > >> Canada's Parliament passed a resolution unanimously committing legislators > >> to get tough with on-line hate-mongering. The Simon Weisenthal Centre in > >> Toronto sent a strongly worded report to federal regulator the CRTC calling > >> for strict regulation of the Internet. (Montreal Gazette 7/7/95 B3) > > > >I'm happy to see Nazism fought with fascism. > > > >.pm > > You mean alleged nazism fought with obvious facism. > > I've never seen any actual nazism on the net anywhere, but this "strict > regulation" tactic is obviously fascist in nature. > > In fact, the only religious-based hate speech I've ever seen on the net is from > someone named "windgate" or something who hates Christians and Christianity, > and > is more than happy to write about his hatred. He hangs out in some of the > 'alt.politics' groups. You oughta go out and borrow someone's shortwave radio or ham HF radio. Between 3900 and 3900 KHz every evening, a bunch of guys in the south (Texas, New Mexico, Arkansas, Louisiana) get on the air and talk about the "goddamn niggers, jews, and fags that are ruining this country." All kinds of folks (meaning non-WASPs, of course) are targeted for this kind of spew. Words like "motherfucker" are often used, especially against "niggers". The speakers rail against "white women with goddamn niggers", and any other non-WASP who happens to arouse their ire. Quite entertaining if you enjoy that sort of thing. Stomach-turning if you don't. Call signs, times and frequencies heard upon request. This sort of thing has been going on for years. A few years back, the FCC attempted to go after a couple of idiots on one of the local LA area 2m repeaters who were spewing all kinds of filth out onto the air waves. The district court said, naaah, that's free speech. So, if the idiots in Congress want to go after this sort of thing, they oughts go after the few hams that are ruining the hobby for the rest of us. -- Ed Carp, N7EKG Ed.Carp(a)linux.org, ecarp(a)netcom.com 801/534-8857 voicemail 801/460-1883 digital pager Finger ecarp(a)netcom.com for PGP 2.5 public key an88744(a)anon.penet.fi Q. What's the trouble with writing an MS-DOS program to emulate Clinton? A. Figuring out what to do with the other 639K of memory.

1 0

Down with ITAR - Have YOU exported PGP today? (fwd)
by aba＠dcs.exeter.ac.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is a forward of something I just cross-posted to alt.security.pgp, and talk.politics.crypto. Civil disobedience via illegal .sigs. Adam ====================================================================== From: aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk Newsgroups: alt.security.pgp,talk.politics.crypto Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 21:03:53 +0100 Subject: Down with ITAR - Have YOU exported PGP today? Distribution: world You all know about the ridiculous US regulation called ITAR and how it applies to crypto software in the US, well here's a fun and relatively safe (YMMV) way for you to export PGP in protest. It is just a token effort, and of 0 practical significance, but the idea is that you just post 3 lines of the uuencoded zipped DOS PGP executable in place of your usual sig in protest. If they lock you up for 3 uuencoded lines which came off a European ftp site and European web page, then well they are stupid. More to the point it would make them (the US state department and the NSA) look stupid. Take a look at this web page: http://dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/export/ it will dole out uuencoded parts of PGP.EXE (the DOS binary for pgp2.6.2i, the international version of PGP, as is available from myriads of non-US ftp sites). See my sig for a sample, the first in a long stream hopefully, And remember, say NO to key escrow :-) Adam -- ------------------ PGP.ZIP Part [000/713] ------------------- begin 644 pgp.zip M4$L#!!0````(`">9ZQX3(*,_DG8!`-JF`P`'````4$=0+D581>S;=UQ3U__X M\9M!$E8,TT(a)PJ$10$1=*41%WW`KX$=Q[M5KK`&R%(HH+(T.M"S>NME8K=31N ------------------------------------------------------------- for next chunk to export --> http://dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/export/

2 1

Re: FW: Edupage 7/9/95 (fwd)
by alt＠iquest.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:45 PM 7/11/95 +0100, Ed Carp [khijol Sysadmin] wrote: >You oughta go out and borrow someone's shortwave radio or ham HF radio. >Between 3900 and 3900 KHz every evening, a bunch of guys in the south >(Texas, New Mexico, Arkansas, Louisiana) get on the air and talk about the >"goddamn niggers, jews, and fags that are ruining this country." All >kinds of folks (meaning non-WASPs, of course) are targeted for this kind >of spew. Words like "motherfucker" are often used, especially against >"niggers". The speakers rail against "white women with goddamn niggers", >and any other non-WASP who happens to arouse their ire. > >Quite entertaining if you enjoy that sort of thing. Stomach-turning if >you don't. Call signs, times and frequencies heard upon request. I don't enjoy it, and don't particularly care to hear it - HOWEVER, I don't see that they are harming anyone (I don't count "hurt feelings as "harm), any more than Malcolm X did when he called all white people "the devil," or when the militant Muslims do when they call all non-Muslims "heathens" or "the infidel" who should be killed. (or any more than wingate does when he says all non-Jews should be done away with). They are simply trying to "sell" their views by exposing their views. If they want to think that, and if they want to say that, then that is their business. I'm free to listen, or to avoid listening. I can avoid their newsgroups, or turn off my radio. That doesn't mean I have to like them, or be nice to them - I am just as free to ridicule their views, and I won't care if I hurt their feelings. If this sort of speech is regulated however, I will no longer have that choice. If I ask the government to prevent them from speaking their views, them only *I* am free to speak mine, so who is the victim?

1 0

Re: Num Rat
by hardin＠cyberspace.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

//--- forwarded letter ------------------------------------------------------- > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 13:22:33 -0600 > From: "zinc" <zinc(a)zifi.genetics.utah.edu> > To: hardin(a)cyberspace.com > Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Re: Num Rat Pat Finerty <zinc(a)zifi.genetics.utah.edu> wrote: > On Tue, 11 Jul 1995 hardin(a)cyberspace.com wrote: > > > John Young posted: > > > > > He's Got Their Number: Scholar Uses Math to Foil Financial > > > Fraud > > > [snip] > > I'd bet, that > > 5(five), 8(eight), & 9(nine) are significantly more represented across > > the board in prices (& thus in amounts for checks & tax write offs) than > > than their random distribution by Benford's Law or more well known tests > > for randomness would suggest. [snip] > > check amounts will also include any relevant sales tax thus skewing the > distribution in some fashion. > > > patrick finerty = zinc(a)zifi.genetics.utah.edu = pfinerty(a)nyx.cs.du.edu > U of Utah biochem grad student in the Bass lab - zinc fingers + dsRNA! [snip] Yes, and some vendors will be in state (sales tax) & some out of state (no sales tax). Furthermore, if the vendor is in state but in a different locale, there will probably be some difference in sales tax rates as rates within states are usually based on vendor location. Also some types of purchases for some types of businesses/organizations/entities have various sales tax exemptions or surcharges, again all of which varies by state & locality. ALL of these factors will skew the distribution, eg. sales tax is usualy *.00% or *.25%, *.50%, *.75% etc. so a cursory look shows that 0 & 5 will be over represented due to this factor. tjh

1 0

PGP Anti- ITAR sig
by hardin＠cyberspace.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Great Idea, Adam! I am #5, who is #6 ;-) tjh "T. J. Hardin" <hardin(a)cyberspace.com> This is 1/713 of PGP262i DOS Executable Zipfile UUE'd Violate the Un-Constitutional ITAR Today! Get YOUR chunk @ web site below. ------------------ PGP.ZIP Part [005/713] ------------------- M@UIXP9EW\".^Q0XL1SO8"^*_O:U-=H(P&2,1A6YHB?KP@@H2/)$+P@-<PX_( MPTGLPBHDHSW<(,<O,D$XB'2TA`HQ4D'H@R#<)[Z3*D$P80%N*8D1:Q6"T`\J M/*/<G_$-/L9&%#L)P@HD82`ZHPG4$%#L*`A7D8M#F(/>"($GRAT$8246(Q:3 ------------------------------------------------------------- for next chunk to export --> http://dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/export/

1 0

Stormfront (was Re: FW: Edupage 7/9/95 (fwd))
by Allen Robinson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Tue, 11 Jul 1995, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > Mark Contois writes: > > > http://204.181.176.4/stormfront/ > > > > and some of the links provided therein. > > 204.181.176.4 is "stormfront.wat.com". > > I suspect that something is amiss (i.e. faked) about the following, > but wat.com shows up as > > Wongs Advanced Technologies (WAT-DOM) > 3221 Danny Pk > Metairie, LA 70002 > > Domain Name: WAT.COM <snip> I've seen the URL for the Stormfront White Nationalist Resource Page listed at least three different ways. I've never tried to visit the site, but here are the three variations with the most recent one I've seen listed last. http://www.accesscom.net/stormfront/ http://www.stormfront.wat.com/stormfront/ or http://stormfront.wat.com/stormfront/ (my notes are kind of scrambled) htttp://www.stormfront.org/stormfront/ AR _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ "They that can give up essential liberty to : purchase a little temporary safety, deserve : Allen Robinson neither liberty nor safety." : sebaygo(a)intellinet.com - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 : PGP public key AD022AA9 fingerprint 5A3BC05B2EC67724 F5664A20AEEAB07A available via major keyservers

2 1

Re: Don't trust the net too much
by rfreeman＠netaxs.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Shostack <adam(a)bwh.harvard.edu> wrote: > I hate to join any thread which talks about blowing up rooms >and killing security guards, but I'll point out that for a few >hundered dollars worth of transmitter parts, you can cause transient >failures with EMF pulse weapons, and for a bit more, you can fry all >the electronics, then drive away before they have any idea that their >company has been destroyed. > > Killing people is a stupid way to accomplish things. I would have to agree, and since this whole thread seems to be one of those conspiracy things, it is completely unnecessary to cause much at all in the way of physical damage. No matter who rents the T1 lines and other forms of communication that unite an ISP with the rest of the world, sooner or later they have to enter some sort of communications node. This could be a satellite or some huge telephone routing center, or any number of things. If the government wanted you shut down, all they have to do is find one of these things for each redundant line to an ISP and cut them all simultaneously. I am sure a court order could be obtained very quickly to arrange such a thing, and even this may not be necessary. I read in some magazine about ten years ago that all US-launched communications satellites contain software that allows the government to ascertain direct control over their functioning. The purpose stated was that in the event of war the US is highly dependent on commercial satellites for non-military communications and can not afford to have the Soviets (or whatever foreign power) trying to reprogram our satellites utilizing security loopholes on the part of the owning company. In any case, unless the ISP is actually expecting some terrorist group to attack their center and has taken deliberate steps to protect themselves (an absurdly expensive proposition for just about anyone except the military), I doubt there is much that could prevent even a private citizen from taking them out, let alone a well-organized group. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Richard T. Freeman <rfreeman(a)netaxs.com> - finger for pgp key 3D CB AF BD FF E8 0B 10 4E 09 27 00 8D 27 E1 93 http://www.netaxs.com/~rfreeman - ftp.netaxs.com/people/rfreeman

1 0

proxy down?
by nobody＠valhalla.phoenix.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Recent attempts to use the AOL proxy service have failed (it used to work perfectly). Anybody else notice this? Is anybody running a proxy2proxy setup?

1 0

My Experience with Moderated Lists and Groups
by Phil Fraering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(Forgive me if you've seen this twice... I got disconnected the first time). From: tcmay(a)sensemedia.net (Timothy C. May) Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk I've been on several moderated mailing lists. There are those who moderate very lightly, moderately, and heavily. I guess the first uses regular water as the moderator, and the latter some sort of deuterated water. My nuclear physics is a little rusty, though, so I have to ask: does the "moderately" moderated system use liquid sodium? Phil

1 0

Re: My Experience with Moderated Lists and Groups
by Dave Horsfall 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Tue, 11 Jul 1995, Bill Stewart wrote: > Remember when the alt.network got started? One of the first two groups > that led to its founding was alt.sources [...] > The other was one of the recipes newsgroups, where there was a bit more > controversy. I thought one of them was alt.drugs? -- Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU) | dave(a)esi.com.au | VK2KFU @ VK2AAB.NSW.AUS.OC | PGP 2.6 Opinions expressed are mine. | E7 FE 97 88 E5 02 3C AE 9C 8C 54 5B 9A D4 A0 CD

1 0

Re: Moby ints [Re: Num Rat]
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:31 PM 7/11/95 -0400, Ray Cromwell wrote: > However, it's only worthwhile for large > numbers (>512 bits). At n=512, if your bigints are stored as polynomials > with a 32-bit radix, then N=512/32=16. 16^1.5 = 64, 16 * lg(16) = 64 > (so the FFT method and the Karatsuba method are equivalent for numbers > of that size) I conjecture that the constant factor is rather smaller for the Karatsuba method, so the turnover should be somewhat higher than 512 bits. Does anyone have any real experimental data on this question. I assume Schonage has real experimental data? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.| jamesd(a)echeque.com

2 1

Re: Speedup of bruterc4.c
by Timothy L. Nali 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

For linux boxes (or perhaps 486 and pentium machines in general), try adding the flag -funroll-all-loops to the compile line. gcc -O2 -funroll-all-loops -m486 -o brute bruterc4.c Here are my results on a Linux 486/33 Original code (Adam+Tatu) : 5405 keys/sec Original code with -funroll-all-loops : 5991 keys/sec Original code with Russell's changes and a couple of my own and -funroll-all-loops : 6393 keys/sec Here are the changes I made: If we assume that the length of the cyphertext and known text is less than 256 bytes, then the following works. This gives you a whopping 40 additional keys/sec. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- int rc4_eq(unsigned char *buffer_ptr, unsigned char *known, unsigned char *cypher_txt, int buffer_len, rc4_key *key) { unsigned int t; unsigned int y = 0; unsigned char* state; unsigned int xorIndex; unsigned int counter; state = &key->state[0]; for(counter=0;counter < buffer_len;counter++) { y = (state[counter+1] + y) & 0xFF; swap_byte(state[counter+1], state[y]); xorIndex = (state[counter+1] + state[y]) & 0xFF; buffer_ptr[counter] ^= state[xorIndex]; if (known[counter] != buffer_ptr[counter]) { memcpy(buffer_ptr,cypher_txt,counter+1); return 0; } } return 1; } -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also, I could not get Russell's changes to work exactly as he posted them (I suspect it's because I'm using a very old linux system). Here's my prepare_key function. I basically took out the counter++ parts. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- /* excellent optimised prepare key by Tatu Ylonen ylo(a)cs.hut.fi */ void prepare_key(unsigned char *key_data_ptr, int key_data_len, rc4_key *key) { unsigned int t; unsigned int index2; unsigned char* state; unsigned int counter; unsigned int k0, k1, k2, k3, k4; state = &key->state[0]; memcpy(state,sequence,256); index2 = 0; k0 = key_data_ptr[0]; k1 = key_data_ptr[1]; k2 = key_data_ptr[2]; k3 = key_data_ptr[3]; k4 = key_data_ptr[4]; for(counter = 0; counter < 255; counter+=5) { t = state[counter]; index2 = (index2 + k0 + t) & 0xff; state[counter] = state[index2]; state[index2] = t; t = state[counter + 1]; index2 = (index2 + k1 + t) & 0xff; state[counter + 1] = state[index2]; state[index2] = t; t = state[counter + 2]; index2 = (index2 + k2 + t) & 0xff; state[counter + 2] = state[index2]; state[index2] = t; t = state[counter + 3]; index2 = (index2 + k3 + t) & 0xff; state[counter + 3] = state[index2]; state[index2] = t; t = state[counter + 4]; index2 = (index2 + k4 + t) & 0xff; state[counter + 4] = state[index2]; state[index2] = t; } t = state[255]; index2 = (index2 + k0 + t) & 0xff; state[255] = state[index2]; state[index2] = t; } ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _____________________________________________________________________________ Tim Nali \ "We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of tn0s(a)andrew.cmu.edu \ the dreams" -Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory

1 0