December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Is the List dead?
by Istvan Oszaraz von Keszi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is the list dead? Haven't seen anything now for an extended period. -- Istvan

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WinPGP
by MWayne＠eworld.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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MacPGP for PowerPC
by MWayne＠eworld.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi-- Two questions for you this morning: 1-Does anyone know what is going on re: the development of a version of MacPGP for the PowerPC? Although the exisitng version does work, I am looking for a native code version. 2-With the recent announcement by MIT, is there any development of a version 2.5 for Mac...680x0 or PPC? Thanks regards, - --Mitch -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3 iQCVAgUBLcyRkDIAcJ9oIU2VAQEJiwQAnBX5lFv9vx4p4DSTH9rcdABa7CpqA5Q9 hSW+JesqbolTgfFpUotdFiQWBmg/YHiW/UxTjLWmRHv53sDU5/tMeZfXZw7kjQdk R8IJi7w0KfFIoEXcVfuuSyylsHdP20eb64ueAC10InLWnOwySEbera5CSp0wn5Di kaXvQ/LUM1U= =zCHT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Message to Hal
by Hal 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It has come to my attention that I am the only subscribed member of the list at present. Everyone else seems to have unsubscribed, or been unsub- scribed, and only I have resubscribed. So, I'll just take this opportunity to make a test post, without worrying about swamping hundreds of mailboxes... Hal

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Detweiler comes out of the woodwork
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Detweiler -- Out of the shadows? Newsgroups: alt.security.pgp,talk.politics.crypto From: tmp(a)netcom.com Subject: Re: RSA Data Security Inc. and Pretty Good Privacy...some comments Message-ID: <tmpCpGyFy.BME(a)netcom.com> Followup-To: alt.security.pgp,talk.politics.crypto Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 05:40:46 GMT Lines: 9 tmp(a)netcom.com wrote: : I post, therefore I am. You offend, therefore you am not. truthfully yours, --L.Detweiler

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NYT Op-Ed piece...
by Peter Wayner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The NYT ran an op-ed piece by David Gelerntner arguing that the Digital Telephony and Clipper initiatives are a good idea. He is a professor of Computer Science at Yale University who is known for developing a parallel processing langauge known as Linda. He recently received a letter bomb that really hurt him and he mentions this in the piece. The FBI has been tracking this bomber for some time, but they haven't been able to catch him/her. It's in the edition of Sunday May 8th. -Peter Wayner D

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Data sent to you? (fwd)
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!desert.hacktic.nl!kafka (-=[ Patrick Oonk ]=-) Date: 08 May 94 Originally To: netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie get a life. ,,, (o o) .---------------oOO---(_)---OOo--------------------. | KAFKA(a)DESERT.HACKTIC.NL | | Pager: 06-5835851(1/2/3/4) | | Cryptoanarchy - xBase - PGP - House Music - MDMA | | Finger kafka(a)xs4all.hacktic.nl for PGP key | `--------------------------------------------------' == To get PGP, FTP /pub/unix/security/crypt/pgp23A.zip from ftp.funet.fi == -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

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Testing
by Mike Ingle 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is the list still alive? No mail today.

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Gelernter Op-Ed Piece
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've received no cypherpunks mail for 24 hours so this may be old news but... David Gelernter, author of Linda and recent victim of the UnaBomber, writes in support of the DTI and Clipper. "Wiretaps for a Wireless Age" is on the Op-Ed page of the Sunday New York Times. I will be writing a Letter to the Editor and others should as well. Will someone who has access pick this up and post it. It's very important. It has some factual flaws: "What kind of half-wit criminal would...return a rental van that played a starring role in a big-budget terrorist spectacular?" But it represents as strong a statement of their position as Safire's column was of ours. Brilliant bit: "Privacy buffs are often big fans of gun control and the Endangered Species Act; some versions of gun control restrict the objects you may keep in your own home, and the species act has been interpreted in a way that drastically restricts the ways citizens may use their land." Of course many of us are not fans of gun control or the Endangered Species Act. --- WinQwk 2.0b#1165

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magic money
by Ice-Fox (aka Robert Sturtz) 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

could someone give me a hand compileing magic money?? btw many thanks too all those who emailed me adresses for pgp Yours in SYNC. Robert Sturtz __ __ __/// rsturt(a)wilbur.mbark.swin.oz.au (Ice-Fox on irc) __/// \XX/ Vice-President of Eastern Wargamers And Roleplayers Club \XX/

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Clipper keys - backup copy.
by GRABOW_GEOFFREY＠tandem.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Has anyone considered that there must be a backup copy of the keys somewhere? Granted that the keys are supposed to be securely held by two seperate agencies, but where are the backup copies and who has access to 'em? You can't tell me that there aren't any backups. Any info? G.C.G. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Geoffrey C. Grabow | "What we demand are rigidly defined | | Oyster Bay, New York | areas of doubt and uncertainty!" | | | -------------------- | | grabow_geoffrey(a)tandem.com | Clipper, SkipJack & Digital Telephony | | | JUST SAY NO!!! | |----------------------------------------------------------------------| | PGP fingerprint = C9 95 0F C4 E9 DD 8E 73 DD 99 4E F5 EB 7A B6 1D | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: Anonymous phone calls
by GRABOW_GEOFFREY＠tandem.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks for all of the responses. A friend of mine who works for a baby bell has been helping me in determining if the suggestions work. As for lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com's incredibly useless response and instructions on how to use a pay phone... let me guess... you just figured out how to use one and now it gives you a special thrill to inform everyone else. If you use that lump of gray matter you call a brain, you'll realize that the purpose of any truly anonymous system is to reveal NO INFORMATION AT ALL!!!!! If you use a pay phone, the location of the phone is available to the phone company before the call completes. However, I do not mean to put your idea down... if you ever need to make anonymous phone calls to avoid police detection, (or anyone else for that matter...) please feel free to use a pay phone and I'll be happy to visit you after you have been arrested. G.C.G. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Geoffrey C. Grabow | "What we demand are rigidly defined | | Oyster Bay, New York | areas of doubt and uncertainty!" | | | -------------------- | | grabow_geoffrey(a)tandem.com | Clipper, SkipJack & Digital Telephony | | | JUST SAY NO!!! | |----------------------------------------------------------------------| | PGP fingerprint = C9 95 0F C4 E9 DD 8E 73 DD 99 4E F5 EB 7A B6 1D | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: Server Incompatibilities?
by Bill O'Hanlon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 7 May 1994 15:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Matthew J Ghio wrote: -------- > Stuart Smith <Stu(a)nemesis.wimsey.com> wrote: > > > I am writing an automagic remailing chaining/ARA creating OS/2 > > REXX script. A short time ago, either in this group or on the > > cypherpunks mailing list, there was a post that some remailer > > would not work if the previous mailer was remailer(a)rebma.mn.org. > > I don't remember the remailer and I can't find the original post - > > could someone let me know which one it was? > > Yeah, it's remailer(a)rebma.mn.org. The reason is because the remailer is > on a UUCP feed and the mail gateway it uses mangles the headers. As Hal mentions in another note, this should be fixed, now. I believe I changed my mail config a couple months ago and did not test the remailer. It took a while for anyone (anyone == Hal) to notice and bug me about it. Sorry for any inconvenience. -Bill

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TEST
by tcmay＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is a test to see if mail is getting though. If you get this, there are only about a dozen of us shown on Majordomo's listing, as you probably already know. Anybody know what happened? (I can think of some possibilities: Nalbandian's threatened 12.2 MB mail bomb, someone (LD or JN?) unsubscribed everyone with Majordomo, or a toad problem unrelated.) Exciting times in cypherspace. --Tim -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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No traffic received in two days...
by Christian D. Odhner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Who got nuked, me or the list? Happy Hunting, -Chris. ______________________________________________________________________________ Christian Douglas Odhner | "The NSA can have my secret key when they pry cdodhner(a)indirect.com | it from my cold, dead, hands... But they shall pgp 2.3 public key by finger | NEVER have the password it's encrypted with!" cypherpunks WOw dCD Traskcom Team Stupid Key fingerprint = 58 62 A2 84 FD 4F 56 38 82 69 6F 08 E4 F1 79 11 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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My form letter
by tcmay＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here's a form letter I expect to send to people who I see asking about the status of the list. If someone has better information than I have, I'll be happy to use it, or to let someone else handle responses. THIS IS A FORM LETTER (to save me having to type the same stuff) You have asked what happened to the Cypherpunks list. I don't know, but as of Sunday night, 8 May, there were only about a dozen or so subscribers. Apparently something happened to the list. I have messages in to Eric Hughes and Hugh Daniel. The subscriber list may get restored. I don't know. You can also resubscribe by sending a message to majordomo(a)toad.com with this as the body: subscribe cypherpunks If this is successful, you'll get a confirmation message within a few minutes. Volume is likely to be low, until things get back to normal. I hope this helps. --Tim May, not acting officially on behalf of the list. -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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CNN POLL
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On CNN there was a poll shown in a short segment about Internet. The question was "Do you know what Internet (AKA superhighway) is?" 32% had read or heard about Internet 68% had never read about or heard of Internet It is unclear whether these people are computer users or whether if they were whether they would use cryptography. One thing that is certain is they will probly not "FTP" anywhere to get any form of program. !!!FREE!!! get it !!!FREE!!! before it is gone! What is it? I don't know, but get two, they are free!!! -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

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(fwd) apgp200.zip - AutoPGP: Offline e-mail encryption with PGP
by bart＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Organization: Free Trial Software From: thomas(a)kjemi.unit.no (Thomas Skogestad) Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.announce Subject: apgp200.zip - AutoPGP: Offline e-mail encryption with PGP Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 06:30:38 GMT I have uploaded to the SimTel Software Repository (available by anonymous ftp from the primary mirror site OAK.Oakland.Edu and its mirrors): SimTel/msdos/offline/ apgp200.zip AutoPGP: Offline e-mail encryption with PGP AutoPGP v2.00 provides offline e-mail encryption with PGP. It supports XBoard and Offliner, as well as any QWK mail reader. Encrypts, decrypts and signs messages or part(s) of a message; inserts/extracts public keys and ascii armoured files + much more! Special requirements: PGP23A.ZIP. Author: Staale Schumacher (staalesc(a)ifi.uio.no) ShareWare. Thomas Skogestad thomas(a)kjemi.unit.no

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An ignorable test...
by hugh＠ecotone.toad.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lets see if fixing all the file perms fixes the list... Hopefuly the list will be up in a few minutes. ||ugh Daniel Sometimes Postmaster hugh(a)toad.com

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PGP and Yarn (offline reader)
by cort＠ecn.purdue.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- PGP can now be nicely integrated with the excellent offline news/mail package, Yarn. You can now, at the touch of a key, encrypt an out-going note, sign an out-going note/post and decrypt/verify incoming notes/posts. Yarn (stable beta version .64) can be retrieved by ftp from oak.oakland.edu:/pub/msdos/offline/yarn-064.zip (as well as mirrors and other sites). Yarn imports news/mail in the SOUP format. (I am quite pleased with this combination.) Thanks to the author, Chin Huang. Cort. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLc4Txes4vmytylqdAQH4ZAP/beKsMsK0uel1tWN+ApPLKU5FVM9wfimq r8c/rNFEK2BKsqu3m2eDObleKP2r5u4p17jR6q+Z+BCz+3Jcs8so5EYjWbJVaWJz YsuChCJJ1Q6hkfeBlAA8+NQXvZo4Zw6Dxwko4DZ7RoB+5hSwjkLF6apB4CeeKVNI 8XcqYG0GS9g= =R6MF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Anonymous Faxes Illegal (Re: legal rqmt for FAX return phone #)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I thought I heard somewhere that it was illegal to send > anonymous faxes -- namely, that there was some regulation ===== Excerpted from FCC January 11, 1993 Public Notice ===== FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION PUBLIC NOTICE (31291 / DA 92-1716) January 11, 1993 INDUSTRY BULLETIN -- TELEPHONE CONSUMER PROTECTION ACT TELEPHONE SOLICITATIONS, AUTODIALED AND ARTIFICIAL OR PRERECORDED VOICE MESSAGE TELEPHONE CALLS, AND THE USE OF FACSIMILE MACHINES ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [...] *** [Lots of Q&A's Deleted] *** WHAT OTHER REQUIREMENTS APPLY TO THE USE OR MANUFACTURE OF TELEPHONE FACSIMILE MACHINES? FCC rules require that each transmission to a telephone facsimile machine must clearly contain, in a margin at the top or bottom of each transmitted page or on the first page of the transmission, (1) the date and time the transmission is sent (2) the identity of the ender and (3) the telephone number of the sender or of the sending machine. All telephone facsimile machines manufactured on or after December 20, 1992 must have the capacity to clearly mark such identifying information on the first page or on each page of the transmission. WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR COMPLIANCE WITH FCC RULES ON TELEPHONE FACSIMILE TRANSMISSIONS? The person on whose behalf a facsimile transmission is sent will ultimately be held liable for violations of the TCPA or FCC rules. *** [More Q&A's Deleted] *** ===== Partial Text of FCC January 13, 1993 Public Notice ===== FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION PUBLIC NOTICE (31328) January 13, 1993 PART 68 IMPLEMENTATION OF TELEPHONE CONSUMER PROTECTION ACT FCC Docket No. 92-90, released October 16, 1992, became effective on December 20, 1992. For Part 68 requirements, see 47 C.F.R. sec. 68.318(c)(2) and (c)(3). [...] Form 730 Customer Instructions: The following information must be provided in Exhibit J of the Form 730 application and in instructions furnished the customer as provided in the following example: The Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991 makes it unlawful for any person to use a computer or other electronic device to send any message via a telephone fax machine unless such message clearly contains in a margin at the top or bottom of each transmitted page or on the first page of the transmission, the date and time it is sent and an identification of the business or other entity, or other individual sending the message and the telephone number of the sending machine or such business, other entity, or individual. In order to program this information into your fax machine, you should complete the following steps. Insert here instructions for programming the equipment and the required information or the page where it can be found. The fax branding procedure outlined above will be used only for fax machines and not for fax cards used in computers pending reconsideration proceedings. FCC Contact: William von Alven (202) 634 1833 ===== end of attachments =====

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Re: What's Happened to the Cypherpunks list?
by gtoal＠an-teallach.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

: I came in this morning, expecting (as usual), a plethora of : mail from the cypherpunks mailing list. Instead, zilch. : Since this sounded fishy, I tried to find out if there was : a fault with the mecahnisms at U. Q. Since this seemed to : check out, I tried mailing to the Majordomo server with the : magic line: : : : "who cypherpunks" : in the body. I found out that "only" about 12 people were : subscribers. Yet when I last tried it, there were 700 people : listed. Is it a problem with me, or do other people have the : same hassles? Oh dear, looks like our favourite net.kook has forged 700 unsubscribe requests to majordomo on our behalf. This is getting out of hand :-( G

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Is the list down?
by John Clark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I didn't get anything from Cypherpunks today (Sunday), is the list down? John K Clark johncla(a)freenet.fsu.edu

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jarthur remailer down
by Eli Brandt 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The remailer is down for an indefinite and possibly infinite period of time, due to abuse. Gory details to follow. In the mean time, don't use it. Eli ebrandt(a)hmc.edu finger for PGP key.

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So what happened?
by Robert A. Hayden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Subject says it all. What happened to the list? Did someone hack it or did it just suffer from sunspots or some such? ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden(a)krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Political Correctness is \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> P.C. for "Thought Police" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*)

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