December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: MIT PGP Announcement (fwd) (fwd)
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!access.digex.net!jthomas (Joe Thomas) Date: 06 May 94 Originally To: Jim Nalbandian <netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie> On the cypherpunks list you excreted: > MIT has just officially announced the upcoming availability of PGP 2.5. > The announcement was just made at Networld+Interop '94 in Las Vegas by > Jeff Schiller, MIT's Network Manager. The text of the actual > announcement is available via WWW at http://www.media.org/. Look under > "MIT PGP Security Announcement." > WHAT WAS WRONG WITH 2.2? Damn programers can never do anything > right the first time? What was wrong with your first fifty brain-damaged rants today? Damn paranoid schizophrenics never know when to quit... Now go away, you're cluttering up our mailboxes. Joe -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

1 0

Re: MIT PGP Announcement (fwd) (fwd)
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!access.digex.net!jthomas (Joe Thomas) Date: 06 May 94 Originally To: Jim Nalbandian <netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie> On the cypherpunks list you excreted: > MIT has just officially announced the upcoming availability of PGP 2.5. > The announcement was just made at Networld+Interop '94 in Las Vegas by > Jeff Schiller, MIT's Network Manager. The text of the actual > announcement is available via WWW at http://www.media.org/. Look under > "MIT PGP Security Announcement." > WHAT WAS WRONG WITH 2.2? Damn programers can never do anything > right the first time? What was wrong with your first fifty brain-damaged rants today? Damn paranoid schizophrenics never know when to quit... Now go away, you're cluttering up our mailboxes. Joe -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

1 0

Re: MIT PGP Announcement (fwd) (fwd)
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!access.digex.net!jthomas (Joe Thomas) Date: 06 May 94 Originally To: Jim Nalbandian <netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie> On the cypherpunks list you excreted: > MIT has just officially announced the upcoming availability of PGP 2.5. > The announcement was just made at Networld+Interop '94 in Las Vegas by > Jeff Schiller, MIT's Network Manager. The text of the actual > announcement is available via WWW at http://www.media.org/. Look under > "MIT PGP Security Announcement." > WHAT WAS WRONG WITH 2.2? Damn programers can never do anything > right the first time? What was wrong with your first fifty brain-damaged rants today? Damn paranoid schizophrenics never know when to quit... Now go away, you're cluttering up our mailboxes. Joe -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

2 1

Re: MIT PGP Announcement (fwd) (fwd)
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!access.digex.net!jthomas (Joe Thomas) Date: 06 May 94 Originally To: Jim Nalbandian <netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie> On the cypherpunks list you excreted: > MIT has just officially announced the upcoming availability of PGP 2.5. > The announcement was just made at Networld+Interop '94 in Las Vegas by > Jeff Schiller, MIT's Network Manager. The text of the actual > announcement is available via WWW at http://www.media.org/. Look under > "MIT PGP Security Announcement." > WHAT WAS WRONG WITH 2.2? Damn programers can never do anything > right the first time? What was wrong with your first fifty brain-damaged rants today? Damn paranoid schizophrenics never know when to quit... Now go away, you're cluttering up our mailboxes. Joe -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

1 0

Re: MIT PGP Announcement (fwd) (fwd)
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!access.digex.net!jthomas (Joe Thomas) Date: 06 May 94 Originally To: Jim Nalbandian <netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie> On the cypherpunks list you excreted: > MIT has just officially announced the upcoming availability of PGP 2.5. > The announcement was just made at Networld+Interop '94 in Las Vegas by > Jeff Schiller, MIT's Network Manager. The text of the actual > announcement is available via WWW at http://www.media.org/. Look under > "MIT PGP Security Announcement." > WHAT WAS WRONG WITH 2.2? Damn programers can never do anything > right the first time? What was wrong with your first fifty brain-damaged rants today? Damn paranoid schizophrenics never know when to quit... Now go away, you're cluttering up our mailboxes. Joe -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

1 0

Re: MIT PGP Announcement (fwd) (fwd)
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!access.digex.net!jthomas (Joe Thomas) Date: 06 May 94 Originally To: Jim Nalbandian <netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie> On the cypherpunks list you excreted: > MIT has just officially announced the upcoming availability of PGP 2.5. > The announcement was just made at Networld+Interop '94 in Las Vegas by > Jeff Schiller, MIT's Network Manager. The text of the actual > announcement is available via WWW at http://www.media.org/. Look under > "MIT PGP Security Announcement." > WHAT WAS WRONG WITH 2.2? Damn programers can never do anything > right the first time? What was wrong with your first fifty brain-damaged rants today? Damn paranoid schizophrenics never know when to quit... Now go away, you're cluttering up our mailboxes. Joe -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

1 0

Reply to Phantom about Magic Money
by nobody＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- phantom(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >I've been using magic money, the digital cash implementation. I have a >few requests that maybe you could think about. I have seen your posts about the "GhostMark" bank. How is this doing? How many coins have you issued, and how many transactions are you getting? Are you running the transactions by hand, or do you have it automated? >1) any hope for a macintosh version anytime soon? I've had a number of >requests for it... Somebody here (mpd?) had compiled it for the mac. The user interface was still text-based, but they said it worked. >2) it seems possible to write a routine to report on the banks' current >money supply; It'd be useful for me, anyhow. Using the info in elist.dat >and dlist.dat and spent.dat I think it'd be trivial. Is it? Problem there: the spent list doesn't record the value of the coin. Only the number. So you can't pull it out of the spent list. If you want accounting info, you will have to modify the code to write some information to a file as the coins are exchanged. Not too hard to do, but you can't get the data after-the-fact from the spent list. Pr0duct Cypher -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLcr8gsGoFIWXVYodAQHLmwP/efaYEhjKzYjwRmuXS6wQ+TqTH4IM6lE+ GncYWhdEkiNt9QmGX6/Qyw2WDACdKVowiI+U1u856OxS6+MkriNo/iacBaMxCacr YsSQ0kCj895yvwnq7LtN/6gPeKt2pUOP/EoMvzxOQe7qnBQaaCghlRIXxUZKVdWJ cVpCiXOkOgQ= =N7rp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

3 2

iPower card info from NatSemi
by Mike Ingle 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

iPower: The Card That Ate Your Privacy I got a "Technology Fact Sheet" on the National Semiconductor iPower (Tessera) card today. It's pretty grim. They have big plans for this little monster, which go way beyond just tapping the telephones of a few Mafiosi. It's too long to key in the whole thing - if you want one, call them at 1-800-272-9959. They are very helpful. Here are a few interesting excerpts: (cover page) DRAFT 1/3/94 National Semiconductor has developed a new concept in data security. iPower technology. Implemented in a personal, portable low-cost access card, iPower technology substantially increases the portability of high-security data applications across unsecured networks while dramatically lowering the cost. It provides the highest level of commercial security available for the exchange of information across digital networks - in a form that dist- ributes security down to the individual user. The technology also allows consumption based metering of digital products - software, database information and other intellectual property. It can be easily added to existing networks and applications or adapted to future systems. It is practical for network communications, electronic funds transfer, wireless data exchange, and systems for access, authoriz- ation, and identification. It is built on industry standards - PCMCIA, DES, RSA, PKCS, X509, Skipjack. Initially implemented in a PCMCIA card format - a personable portable hardware device called an access card or token, it incorporates state- of-the-art security capabilities and can hold information decryption keys, transaction records, credit and account information, your private key, and digital certificates. This new technology can guarantee that the information you send arrives unaltered and goes only to your intended recipients by providing authentication, verification, non-repudiation, and privacy. At the heart of the iPower access card is a new microchip called the Security Processing Unit (SPU). Dedicated to high-speed cryptographic processing, the SPU securely creates, stores, and deploys the secret keys and algorithms used to encrypt and decrypt information. Other portions of the chip firmware can be programmed to perform signaturing, verifi- cation, information metering and other application-specific functions. At the highest level of protected storage, the most critical information is stored in the SPU chip which provides bulletproof security for encrypt- ion algorithms, master keys, secret data, and RAM-based secret programs. The only place where sensitive information is ever in the clear is in non-volative on-chip SPU memory. Protected physically and electrically, the SPU cannot be made to divulge its information. iPower Technology is based on a new concept in security: securing the user not the network. The most secure environment for information is one where the encryption process and keys are housed in a portable hardware token that the user keeps in his possession - personally secured just like your wallet, keys, rings, and employee badge. The SPU microchip will meet Federal Information Processing Standard (FIPS) 140-1 Level 3.0 for data security and provides the highest level of security commercially available at the chip or card level. iPower technology is a manifestation of National Semiconductor's corporate vision: developing products for shaping and moving information. National's products drive industry standards by offering common-sense solutions to complex problems. iPower technology will become the new standard for access to the information superhighway, by providing the means for all types of electronic information to travel safely. Combined with National's leading position in the LAN market, iPower technology will enable National to offer innovative, comprehensive solutions to the world's evolving communications needs. (picture of iPower card on top of credit cards) (caption: The FUTURE is SECURE") ... marketing fluff deleted ... ... less than $100 per user ... contains a 32-bit microcomputer ... The PCMCIA Card PCMCIA cards are easily integrated with many computers and are already widely accepted. Many of the current laptop and notebook computers contain built-in support for PCMCIA cards, and low-cost adapters are available for amost all other computers. The United States government has chosen the PCMCIA-card format as its token standard for all future access to the data superhighway now being developed. The Federal PCMCIA token, dubbed the "Tessera" card, will eventually be used to secure electronic mail and classified information for federal government agencies and their contractors. Because it is designed to be transparent to the information highway, yet provides the highest security for data and transactions traveling on it, iPower technology is a natural choice for the Tessera card. ... Powerful security capabilities * Positive identification and reliable authentication of the card user * Message privacy through bulletproof hardware encryption capability, with support for the major cryptographic standards * Secure key exchange * Secure storage of private and secret keys, transaction records, algorithms, and biometric data * Positive verification of data and messages to prevent alteration * Secure authorization capabilities, including support for digital signatures * On-board transaction recording to improve security and enable off-line transactions and metering ... stuff deleted ... in the first iPower access card, a 20 MHz 32-bit Central Processing Unit (CPU) controls the chip's modules and processes. The CPU is isolated from all off-chip input and can only receive programmed commands from 32k bytes of on-board ROM or 4k bytes of on-board battery-backed RAM. Functional commands from off-chip are validated prior to execution by the CPU. Later implementations of iPower Technology will offer more powerful processors, increased storage, and enhanced versatility. ... stuff deleted ... iPower technology will be the catalyst for a host of new product capabilities including digital signatures, secure elect- ronic mail, and secure information metering, as well as secure identi- fication and data storage capabilities for credit cards, government entitlement programs, and access to the information superhighway. This technology will also fuel the expansion of a new information delivery system - desktop purchasing - where intellectual property and other digital products can be promoted and sold through encrypted multimedia CD-ROM presentations. ... stuff deleted ... Desktop Purchasing - a new way to market iPower Technology is creating a new delivery system for any kind of information product that can be contained in electronic memory (such as movies, software, and databases). Multimedia advertisements, tutorials, demos, documentation, and actual products can all be shipped on a single encrypted CD-ROM, offering dramatic cost-savings to the manufacturer and bringing product marketing and sales directly to the customer's desktop. Since the iPower SPU must be used to decrypt information, it can measure and record usage time and can record and download monetary transactions to a centralized billing service bureau, all with total security. These capabilities will allow any kind of digital information to be sold off- line and will permit users to try digital products before buying. For the first time, renting software and other intellectual property will be a viable, attractive option for consumers and suppliers both. By intro- ducing a pay-as-you go option, iPower technology will open up dynamic new markets for software rentals and database subscriptions. The iPower desktop purchasing system also ensures that sales are followed up with 100% user registration. And it completely prevents the piracy of software and information products. How DESKTOP PURCHASING Works The product manufacturer produces a high-volume, low-cost CD-ROM that is widely distributed to potential end-users. The CD-ROM can contain persuasive multimedia advertisements, demos of software products, databases, games, tutorials, product documentation, or any other form of digital product. Some items, such as demos, are available to the user at no charge. Items for sale or rental are encrypted and are not available to the consumer except by initiating a secured transaction process inside the SPU. After obtaining or determining credit for the user, the SPU allows only the appropriate information to be decrypted and transferred to a hard disk for immediate use. Unlike similar unlocking systems based in software, frequent phone communication with a centralized billing server is unnecessary because the SPU can safely record and store transaction data and decryption keys locally. This allows off-line vending of large infor- mation databases in a highly granular fashion. The user doesn't have to wait for phone authorization for each separate purchase, but is instead authorized to browse and purchase at will, subject only to a pre-deter- mined credit limits. Distributed, high-level financial transactions By adding bulletproof security to the process, iPower technology will allow electronic financial transactions of high value to migrate to the individual level. This will give consumers greater flexibility and convenience. And it will allow financiam institutions to safely offer a wider range of services. It is estimated that 0.5% of current credit card transactions are fraud- ulent, and another 5% are uncollectible, most of them repudiated trans- actions. Because digital signatures can't be duplicated and beacuse completing a transaction will require both the user's access card and PIN number, iPower cards will dramatically reduce fraud and repudiated transactions. iPower - the super card of the future Looking further ahead, iPower access-card technology has the potential to generate a host of new super-card applications. Affordable high security at the consumer level will drive new product concepts such as the electronic wallet. A single iPower card can securely hold a wealth of personal records such as your drivers license, passport, birth certificate, vehicle registration, medical records, social security card, credit card accounts, biometric identification such as your fingerprint or voiceprint, and even digital cash. Individuals may soon be able to conduct all their business and personal transactions with a tiny portable computer equipped with an iPower card slot. Nearly every industry will benefit from applications of electronic identification, authorization and access. In the medical industry, for example, iPower technology will streamline record keeping and insurance reimbursement. A consumer will use his iPower access card at the doctor's office to electronically enter medical history, insurance carriers, or other billing information. Pharmacies will se the same card to check for allergies or conflicting prescriptions. The patient will also be able to use the card to pay for both services electronically. Federal and state government agencies such as the IRS and the Department of Motor Vehicles, financial institutions such as banks, credit unions, and brokerage houses; and medical institutions such as hospitals, pharmacies, and health insurance companies will all enjoy more efficient and secure methods of information exchange and transaction accountability through the implementation of iPower technology. ... final page of marketing fluff mostly deleted ... ... iPower technology will become the new standard for access to the information superhighway, by providing the means for all types of electronic information to travel safely. ... Contact iPower Marketing Communications at 408-721-2448 or 408-721-7383. National Semiconductor

2 1

Returned Mail
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!Colorado.EDU!Richard.Johnson (Richard Johnson) Date: 07 May 94 Originally To: netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie I'm sure you want these wonderful things back, Mr. Detweiler. I sure didn't order them. Don't worry, I didn't read them. They're still as good as new. >>> inbox:2817 Subject: Cypher Punks Autistic Savants Date: Fri, 06 May 1994 18:55:15 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com (Jim Nalbandian) Reply-To: lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com (Jim Nalbandian) Received: from boulder.Colorado.EDU (root(a)boulder.Colorado.EDU [128.138.238.18] ) by spot.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with ESMTP id VAA25204 fo r <johnsonr(a)spot.Colorado.EDU>; Fri, 6 May 1994 21:12:39 -0600 Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by boulder.Colorado. EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/UnixOps) with SMTP id VAA08157 for <johnsonr@colorado .edu>; Fri, 6 May 1994 21:12:36 -0600 Received: from toad.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwoul05260; Fri, 6 May 94 22:50:03 - 0400 Received: by toad.com id AA19644; Fri, 6 May 94 19:33:15 PDT Received: from netcomsv.netcom.com (uucp3.netcom.com) by toad.com id AA19637; F ri, 6 May 94 19:32:57 PDT Received: from lassie.UUCP by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (8.6.4/SMI-4.1) id TAA20682; Fri, 6 May 1994 19:18:29 -0700 Received: by lassie.uucp!lassie; Fri, 06 May 1994 18:55:15 X-Mailer: WinNET Mail, v2.11 Message-Id: <212(a)lassie.lassie.uucp> Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text Content-Length: 619 The message title says it all. But for more information FTP to toilet(a)urinal.cookie.com /pub/idiot/concited/fool/selfimportant/wecool/unot -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson -- >>> inbox:2818 Subject: Re: MIT PGP Announcement (fwd) (fwd) Date: Fri, 06 May 1994 18:51:45 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com (Jim Nalbandian) Reply-To: lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com (Jim Nalbandian) Received: from boulder.Colorado.EDU (root(a)boulder.Colorado.EDU [128.138.238.18] ) by spot.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with ESMTP id VAA27937 fo r <johnsonr(a)spot.Colorado.EDU>; Fri, 6 May 1994 21:19:59 -0600 Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by boulder.Colorado. EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/UnixOps) with SMTP id VAA08500 for <johnsonr@colorado .edu>; Fri, 6 May 1994 21:19:57 -0600 Received: from toad.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwoul06069; Fri, 6 May 94 22:57:18 - 0400 Received: by toad.com id AA19697; Fri, 6 May 94 19:37:27 PDT Received: from netcomsv.netcom.com (uucp3.netcom.com) by toad.com id AA19687; F ri, 6 May 94 19:37:21 PDT Received: from lassie.UUCP by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (8.6.4/SMI-4.1) id TAA20208; Fri, 6 May 1994 19:09:58 -0700 Received: by lassie.uucp!lassie; Fri, 06 May 1994 18:51:46 X-Mailer: WinNET Mail, v2.11 Message-Id: <207(a)lassie.lassie.uucp> Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1264 FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!access.digex.net!jthomas (Joe Thomas) Date: 06 May 94 Originally To: Jim Nalbandian <netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie> On the cypherpunks list you excreted: > MIT has just officially announced the upcoming availability of PGP 2.5. > The announcement was just made at Networld+Interop '94 in Las Vegas by > Jeff Schiller, MIT's Network Manager. The text of the actual > announcement is available via WWW at http://www.media.org/. Look under > "MIT PGP Security Announcement." > WHAT WAS WRONG WITH 2.2? Damn programers can never do anything > right the first time? What was wrong with your first fifty brain-damaged rants today? Damn paranoid schizophrenics never know when to quit... Now go away, you're cluttering up our mailboxes. Joe -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson -- >>> inbox:2819 Subject: Re: MIT PGP Announcement (fwd) (fwd) Date: Fri, 06 May 1994 18:52:20 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com (Jim Nalbandian) Reply-To: lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com (Jim Nalbandian) Received: from boulder.Colorado.EDU (root(a)boulder.Colorado.EDU [128.138.238.18] ) by spot.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with ESMTP id VAA27946 fo r <johnsonr(a)spot.Colorado.EDU>; Fri, 6 May 1994 21:20:00 -0600 Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by boulder.Colorado. EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/UnixOps) with SMTP id VAA08498 for <johnsonr@colorado .edu>; Fri, 6 May 1994 21:19:55 -0600 Received: from toad.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwoul06082; Fri, 6 May 94 22:57:26 - 0400 Received: by toad.com id AA19714; Fri, 6 May 94 19:37:48 PDT Received: from uucp3.netcom.com by toad.com id AB19687; Fri, 6 May 94 19:37:41 PDT Received: from lassie.UUCP by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (8.6.4/SMI-4.1) id TAA20543; Fri, 6 May 1994 19:14:58 -0700 Received: by lassie.uucp!lassie; Fri, 06 May 1994 18:52:20 X-Mailer: WinNET Mail, v2.11 Message-Id: <210(a)lassie.lassie.uucp> Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1264 FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!access.digex.net!jthomas (Joe Thomas) Date: 06 May 94 Originally To: Jim Nalbandian <netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie> On the cypherpunks list you excreted: > MIT has just officially announced the upcoming availability of PGP 2.5. > The announcement was just made at Networld+Interop '94 in Las Vegas by > Jeff Schiller, MIT's Network Manager. The text of the actual > announcement is available via WWW at http://www.media.org/. Look under > "MIT PGP Security Announcement." > WHAT WAS WRONG WITH 2.2? Damn programers can never do anything > right the first time? What was wrong with your first fifty brain-damaged rants today? Damn paranoid schizophrenics never know when to quit... Now go away, you're cluttering up our mailboxes. Joe -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson -- >>> inbox:2820 Subject: Re: MIT PGP Announcement (fwd) (fwd) Date: Fri, 06 May 1994 18:51:34 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com (Jim Nalbandian) Reply-To: lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com (Jim Nalbandian) Received: from boulder.Colorado.EDU (root(a)boulder.Colorado.EDU [128.138.238.18] ) by spot.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with ESMTP id VAA28150 fo r <johnsonr(a)spot.Colorado.EDU>; Fri, 6 May 1994 21:20:20 -0600 Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by boulder.Colorado. EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/UnixOps) with SMTP id VAA08579 for <johnsonr@colorado .edu>; Fri, 6 May 1994 21:20:18 -0600 Received: from toad.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwoul06114; Fri, 6 May 94 22:57:35 - 0400 Received: by toad.com id AA19719; Fri, 6 May 94 19:37:50 PDT Received: from uucp3.netcom.com by toad.com id AB19692; Fri, 6 May 94 19:37:44 PDT Received: from lassie.UUCP by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (8.6.4/SMI-4.1) id TAA20098; Fri, 6 May 1994 19:07:59 -0700 Received: by lassie.uucp!lassie; Fri, 06 May 1994 18:51:34 X-Mailer: WinNET Mail, v2.11 Message-Id: <206(a)lassie.lassie.uucp> Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1264 FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!access.digex.net!jthomas (Joe Thomas) Date: 06 May 94 Originally To: Jim Nalbandian <netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie> On the cypherpunks list you excreted: > MIT has just officially announced the upcoming availability of PGP 2.5. > The announcement was just made at Networld+Interop '94 in Las Vegas by > Jeff Schiller, MIT's Network Manager. The text of the actual > announcement is available via WWW at http://www.media.org/. Look under > "MIT PGP Security Announcement." > WHAT WAS WRONG WITH 2.2? Damn programers can never do anything > right the first time? What was wrong with your first fifty brain-damaged rants today? Damn paranoid schizophrenics never know when to quit... Now go away, you're cluttering up our mailboxes. Joe -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson -- >>> inbox:2821 Subject: Re: MIT PGP Announcement (fwd) (fwd) Date: Fri, 06 May 1994 18:51:57 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com (Jim Nalbandian) Reply-To: lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com (Jim Nalbandian) Received: from boulder.Colorado.EDU (root(a)boulder.Colorado.EDU [128.138.238.18] ) by spot.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with ESMTP id VAA28208 fo r <johnsonr(a)spot.Colorado.EDU>; Fri, 6 May 1994 21:20:29 -0600 Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by boulder.Colorado. EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/UnixOps) with SMTP id VAA08587 for <johnsonr@colorado .edu>; Fri, 6 May 1994 21:20:25 -0600 Received: from toad.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwoul06206; Fri, 6 May 94 22:58:04 - 0400 Received: by toad.com id AA19702; Fri, 6 May 94 19:37:31 PDT Received: from netcomsv.netcom.com (uucp3.netcom.com) by toad.com id AA19692; F ri, 6 May 94 19:37:26 PDT Received: from lassie.UUCP by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (8.6.4/SMI-4.1) id TAA20438; Fri, 6 May 1994 19:12:03 -0700 Received: by lassie.uucp!lassie; Fri, 06 May 1994 18:51:58 X-Mailer: WinNET Mail, v2.11 Message-Id: <208(a)lassie.lassie.uucp> Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1264 FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!access.digex.net!jthomas (Joe Thomas) Date: 06 May 94 Originally To: Jim Nalbandian <netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie> On the cypherpunks list you excreted: > MIT has just officially announced the upcoming availability of PGP 2.5. > The announcement was just made at Networld+Interop '94 in Las Vegas by > Jeff Schiller, MIT's Network Manager. The text of the actual > announcement is available via WWW at http://www.media.org/. Look under > "MIT PGP Security Announcement." > WHAT WAS WRONG WITH 2.2? Damn programers can never do anything > right the first time? What was wrong with your first fifty brain-damaged rants today? Damn paranoid schizophrenics never know when to quit... Now go away, you're cluttering up our mailboxes. Joe -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson -- >>> inbox:2822 Subject: Re: MIT PGP Announcement (fwd) (fwd) Date: Fri, 06 May 1994 18:51:16 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com (Jim Nalbandian) Reply-To: lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com (Jim Nalbandian) Received: from boulder.Colorado.EDU (root(a)boulder.Colorado.EDU [128.138.238.18] ) by spot.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with ESMTP id VAA28407 fo r <johnsonr(a)spot.Colorado.EDU>; Fri, 6 May 1994 21:20:48 -0600 Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by boulder.Colorado. EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/UnixOps) with SMTP id VAA08636 for <johnsonr@colorado .edu>; Fri, 6 May 1994 21:20:46 -0600 Received: from toad.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwoul06287; Fri, 6 May 94 22:58:22 - 0400 Received: by toad.com id AA19737; Fri, 6 May 94 19:38:31 PDT Received: from uucp3.netcom.com by toad.com id AB19687; Fri, 6 May 94 19:38:02 PDT Received: from lassie.UUCP by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (8.6.4/SMI-4.1) id TAA19996; Fri, 6 May 1994 19:06:40 -0700 Received: by lassie.uucp!lassie; Fri, 06 May 1994 18:51:17 X-Mailer: WinNET Mail, v2.11 Message-Id: <205(a)lassie.lassie.uucp> Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1264 FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!access.digex.net!jthomas (Joe Thomas) Date: 06 May 94 Originally To: Jim Nalbandian <netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie> On the cypherpunks list you excreted: > MIT has just officially announced the upcoming availability of PGP 2.5. > The announcement was just made at Networld+Interop '94 in Las Vegas by > Jeff Schiller, MIT's Network Manager. The text of the actual > announcement is available via WWW at http://www.media.org/. Look under > "MIT PGP Security Announcement." > WHAT WAS WRONG WITH 2.2? Damn programers can never do anything > right the first time? What was wrong with your first fifty brain-damaged rants today? Damn paranoid schizophrenics never know when to quit... Now go away, you're cluttering up our mailboxes. Joe -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson -- >>> inbox:2823 Subject: Re: MIT PGP Announcement (fwd) (fwd) Date: Fri, 06 May 1994 18:52:08 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com (Jim Nalbandian) Reply-To: lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com (Jim Nalbandian) Received: from boulder.Colorado.EDU (root(a)boulder.Colorado.EDU [128.138.238.18] ) by spot.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with ESMTP id VAA28764 fo r <johnsonr(a)spot.Colorado.EDU>; Fri, 6 May 1994 21:21:31 -0600 Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by boulder.Colorado. EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/UnixOps) with SMTP id VAA08675 for <johnsonr@colorado .edu>; Fri, 6 May 1994 21:21:29 -0600 Received: from toad.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwoul06433; Fri, 6 May 94 22:59:01 - 0400 Received: by toad.com id AA19753; Fri, 6 May 94 19:38:48 PDT Received: from uucp3.netcom.com by toad.com id AB19692; Fri, 6 May 94 19:38:38 PDT Received: from lassie.UUCP by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (8.6.4/SMI-4.1) id TAA20504; Fri, 6 May 1994 19:13:21 -0700 Received: by lassie.uucp!lassie; Fri, 06 May 1994 18:52:09 X-Mailer: WinNET Mail, v2.11 Message-Id: <209(a)lassie.lassie.uucp> Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1264 FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!access.digex.net!jthomas (Joe Thomas) Date: 06 May 94 Originally To: Jim Nalbandian <netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie> On the cypherpunks list you excreted: > MIT has just officially announced the upcoming availability of PGP 2.5. > The announcement was just made at Networld+Interop '94 in Las Vegas by > Jeff Schiller, MIT's Network Manager. The text of the actual > announcement is available via WWW at http://www.media.org/. Look under > "MIT PGP Security Announcement." > WHAT WAS WRONG WITH 2.2? Damn programers can never do anything > right the first time? What was wrong with your first fifty brain-damaged rants today? Damn paranoid schizophrenics never know when to quit... Now go away, you're cluttering up our mailboxes. Joe -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson -- >>> inbox:2824 Subject: Re: MIT PGP Announcement (fwd) (fwd) Date: Fri, 06 May 1994 18:55:28 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com (Jim Nalbandian) Reply-To: lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com (Jim Nalbandian) Received: from boulder.Colorado.EDU (root(a)boulder.Colorado.EDU [128.138.238.18] ) by spot.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with ESMTP id VAA28859 fo r <johnsonr(a)spot.Colorado.EDU>; Fri, 6 May 1994 21:21:44 -0600 Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by boulder.Colorado. EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/UnixOps) with SMTP id VAA08698 for <johnsonr@colorado .edu>; Fri, 6 May 1994 21:21:41 -0600 Received: from toad.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwoul06454; Fri, 6 May 94 22:59:03 - 0400 Received: by toad.com id AA19779; Fri, 6 May 94 19:39:07 PDT Received: from uucp3.netcom.com by toad.com id AB19687; Fri, 6 May 94 19:39:03 PDT Received: from lassie.UUCP by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (8.6.4/SMI-4.1) id TAA20722; Fri, 6 May 1994 19:20:17 -0700 Received: by lassie.uucp!lassie; Fri, 06 May 1994 18:55:28 X-Mailer: WinNET Mail, v2.11 Message-Id: <213(a)lassie.lassie.uucp> Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1264 FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!access.digex.net!jthomas (Joe Thomas) Date: 06 May 94 Originally To: Jim Nalbandian <netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie> On the cypherpunks list you excreted: > MIT has just officially announced the upcoming availability of PGP 2.5. > The announcement was just made at Networld+Interop '94 in Las Vegas by > Jeff Schiller, MIT's Network Manager. The text of the actual > announcement is available via WWW at http://www.media.org/. Look under > "MIT PGP Security Announcement." > WHAT WAS WRONG WITH 2.2? Damn programers can never do anything > right the first time? What was wrong with your first fifty brain-damaged rants today? Damn paranoid schizophrenics never know when to quit... Now go away, you're cluttering up our mailboxes. Joe -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson -- >>> inbox:2825 Subject: Re: MIT PGP Announcement (fwd) (fwd) Date: Fri, 06 May 1994 18:52:34 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com (Jim Nalbandian) Reply-To: lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com (Jim Nalbandian) Received: from boulder.Colorado.EDU (root(a)boulder.Colorado.EDU [128.138.238.18] ) by spot.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with ESMTP id VAA28886 fo r <johnsonr(a)spot.Colorado.EDU>; Fri, 6 May 1994 21:21:47 -0600 Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by boulder.Colorado. EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/UnixOps) with SMTP id VAA08707 for <johnsonr@colorado .edu>; Fri, 6 May 1994 21:21:44 -0600 Received: from toad.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwoul06492; Fri, 6 May 94 22:59:18 - 0400 Received: by toad.com id AA19794; Fri, 6 May 94 19:39:17 PDT Received: from uucp3.netcom.com by toad.com id AB19692; Fri, 6 May 94 19:39:03 PDT Received: from lassie.UUCP by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (8.6.4/SMI-4.1) id TAA20632; Fri, 6 May 1994 19:17:08 -0700 Received: by lassie.uucp!lassie; Fri, 06 May 1994 18:52:35 X-Mailer: WinNET Mail, v2.11 Message-Id: <211(a)lassie.lassie.uucp> Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1264 FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!access.digex.net!jthomas (Joe Thomas) Date: 06 May 94 Originally To: Jim Nalbandian <netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie> On the cypherpunks list you excreted: > MIT has just officially announced the upcoming availability of PGP 2.5. > The announcement was just made at Networld+Interop '94 in Las Vegas by > Jeff Schiller, MIT's Network Manager. The text of the actual > announcement is available via WWW at http://www.media.org/. Look under > "MIT PGP Security Announcement." > WHAT WAS WRONG WITH 2.2? Damn programers can never do anything > right the first time? What was wrong with your first fifty brain-damaged rants today? Damn paranoid schizophrenics never know when to quit... Now go away, you're cluttering up our mailboxes. Joe -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson -- >>> inbox:2826 Subject: Re: MIT PGP Announcement (fwd) (fwd) Date: Fri, 06 May 1994 18:50:47 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com (Jim Nalbandian) Reply-To: lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com (Jim Nalbandian) Received: from boulder.Colorado.EDU (root(a)boulder.Colorado.EDU [128.138.238.18] ) by spot.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with ESMTP id VAA28907 fo r <johnsonr(a)spot.Colorado.EDU>; Fri, 6 May 1994 21:21:49 -0600 Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by boulder.Colorado. EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/UnixOps) with SMTP id VAA08726 for <johnsonr@colorado .edu>; Fri, 6 May 1994 21:21:47 -0600 Received: from toad.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwoul06488; Fri, 6 May 94 22:59:16 - 0400 Received: by toad.com id AA19732; Fri, 6 May 94 19:38:26 PDT Received: from uucp3.netcom.com by toad.com id AB19692; Fri, 6 May 94 19:38:03 PDT Received: from lassie.UUCP by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (8.6.4/SMI-4.1) id TAA19813; Fri, 6 May 1994 19:03:58 -0700 Received: by lassie.uucp!lassie; Fri, 06 May 1994 18:50:48 X-Mailer: WinNET Mail, v2.11 Message-Id: <203(a)lassie.lassie.uucp> Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1264 FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!access.digex.net!jthomas (Joe Thomas) Date: 06 May 94 Originally To: Jim Nalbandian <netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie> On the cypherpunks list you excreted: > MIT has just officially announced the upcoming availability of PGP 2.5. > The announcement was just made at Networld+Interop '94 in Las Vegas by > Jeff Schiller, MIT's Network Manager. The text of the actual > announcement is available via WWW at http://www.media.org/. Look under > "MIT PGP Security Announcement." > WHAT WAS WRONG WITH 2.2? Damn programers can never do anything > right the first time? What was wrong with your first fifty brain-damaged rants today? Damn paranoid schizophrenics never know when to quit... Now go away, you're cluttering up our mailboxes. Joe -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson -- >>> inbox:2827 Subject: Re: MIT PGP Announcement (fwd) (fwd) Date: Fri, 06 May 1994 18:51:03 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com (Jim Nalbandian) Reply-To: lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com (Jim Nalbandian) Received: from boulder.Colorado.EDU (root(a)boulder.Colorado.EDU [128.138.238.18] ) by spot.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with ESMTP id VAA28948 fo r <johnsonr(a)spot.Colorado.EDU>; Fri, 6 May 1994 21:21:56 -0600 Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by boulder.Colorado. EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/UnixOps) with SMTP id VAA08735 for <johnsonr@colorado .edu>; Fri, 6 May 1994 21:21:54 -0600 Received: from toad.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwoul06489; Fri, 6 May 94 22:59:16 - 0400 Received: by toad.com id AA19751; Fri, 6 May 94 19:38:48 PDT Received: from uucp3.netcom.com by toad.com id AB19687; Fri, 6 May 94 19:38:41 PDT Received: from lassie.UUCP by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (8.6.4/SMI-4.1) id TAA19913; Fri, 6 May 1994 19:05:17 -0700 Received: by lassie.uucp!lassie; Fri, 06 May 1994 18:51:04 X-Mailer: WinNET Mail, v2.11 Message-Id: <204(a)lassie.lassie.uucp> Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1264 FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!access.digex.net!jthomas (Joe Thomas) Date: 06 May 94 Originally To: Jim Nalbandian <netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie> On the cypherpunks list you excreted: > MIT has just officially announced the upcoming availability of PGP 2.5. > The announcement was just made at Networld+Interop '94 in Las Vegas by > Jeff Schiller, MIT's Network Manager. The text of the actual > announcement is available via WWW at http://www.media.org/. Look under > "MIT PGP Security Announcement." > WHAT WAS WRONG WITH 2.2? Damn programers can never do anything > right the first time? What was wrong with your first fifty brain-damaged rants today? Damn paranoid schizophrenics never know when to quit... Now go away, you're cluttering up our mailboxes. Joe -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson -- -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

2 1

Re: MIT PGP Announcement (fwd) (fwd)
by joshua geller 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I don't like to killfile people, but this person is beginning to annoy >me. I'll bet he's LD in disguise. the word usage is very different. no, I think this is a seperate person who also has lost his mind. josh

2 1

Nalbandian's email address
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Nalbandian, who's recently been posting to cypherpunks, has a signature line that contains a couple of *severely* non-portable addresses; I have no way to tell whether my email to him worked on the netcomish address. Don't know about his spelling errors, but his addressing errors distinctly *are* international.... I got an interesting bouncegram from Namibia when I tried using the N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA address - it's some sort of Amateur packet radio address, which has a syntax similar to Internet addresses but rips off the .na namespace (I thought I hadn't seen it before, but I don't keep up with the .US domain, so I tried it, along with K7BUC(a)AZ.US skipping the .na). I've attacked the bouncegram below. Could one of the administrators at Netcom please help him put a useable return address in his .signature? Thanks; Bill Stewart wcs(a)anchor.att.com bill.stewart(a)pleasantonca.ncr.com > -- > * Spelling errors are intentional and international * > Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com > Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA > No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest > reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms > is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in > government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson -- >

1 0

Re: Returned Mail
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!u.washington.edu!phantom (Matt Thomlinson) Date: 07 May 94 Originally To: Jim Nalbandian <netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie> Do just as you did with another list abuser: Detweiler. Feel free to just bounce it back to him. He'll learn that mailbombing is not socially acceptable. I guess we get to start complaining to netcom now, huh? Matt Thomlinson University of Washington, Seattle, Washington. phone: (206) 548-9804 Check my home page -- ftp://ftp.u.washington.edu/public/phantom/home.html PGP 2.2 key available via email, or finger phantom(a)hardy.u.washington.edu -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

1 0

Re: Returned Mail
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!u.washington.edu!phantom (Matt Thomlinson) Date: 07 May 94 Originally To: Jim Nalbandian <netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie> I beleive this is yours. On Fri, 6 May 1994, Jim Nalbandian wrote: > > FORWARDED MAIL ------- > From: netcomsv.netcom.com!Colorado.EDU!Richard.Johnson (Richard Johnson) > Date: 07 May 94 > Originally To: netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie > > > I'm sure you want these wonderful things back, Mr. Detweiler. I sure > didn't order them. Don't worry, I didn't read them. They're still > as good as new. > > > >>> inbox:2817 > > > Subject: Cypher Punks Autistic Savants > Date: Fri, 06 May 1994 18:55:15 > > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > From: lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com (Jim Nalbandian) > Reply-To: lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com (Jim Nalbandian) > > Received: from boulder.Colorado.EDU (root(a)boulder.Colorado.EDU [128.138.238.18] > ) by spot.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with ESMTP id VAA25204 fo > r <johnsonr(a)spot.Colorado.EDU>; Fri, 6 May 1994 21:12:39 -0600 > Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by boulder.Colorado. > EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/UnixOps) with SMTP id VAA08157 for <johnsonr@colorado > .edu>; Fri, 6 May 1994 21:12:36 -0600 > Received: from toad.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP > (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwoul05260; Fri, 6 May 94 22:50:03 - > 0400 > Received: by toad.com id AA19644; Fri, 6 May 94 19:33:15 PDT > Received: from netcomsv.netcom.com (uucp3.netcom.com) by toad.com id AA19637; F > ri, 6 May 94 19:32:57 PDT > Received: from lassie.UUCP by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (8.6.4/SMI-4.1) > id TAA20682; Fri, 6 May 1994 19:18:29 -0700 > Received: by lassie.uucp!lassie; Fri, 06 May 1994 18:55:15 > X-Mailer: WinNET Mail, v2.11 > Message-Id: <212(a)lassie.lassie.uucp> > Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Precedence: bulk > Content-Type: text > Content-Length: 619 > > > > > The message title says it all. But for more information FTP to > > toilet(a)urinal.cookie.com > /pub/idiot/concited/fool/selfimportant/wecool/unot > > > > > -- > * Spelling errors are intentional and international * > Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com > Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA > No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest > reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms > is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in > government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson -- > > > > >>> inbox:2818 > > > Subject: Re: MIT PGP Announcement (fwd) (fwd) > Date: Fri, 06 May 1994 18:51:45 > > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > From: lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com (Jim Nalbandian) > Reply-To: lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com (Jim Nalbandian) > > Received: from boulder.Colorado.EDU (root(a)boulder.Colorado.EDU [128.138.238.18] > ) by spot.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with ESMTP id VAA27937 fo > r <johnsonr(a)spot.Colorado.EDU>; Fri, 6 May 1994 21:19:59 -0600 > Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by boulder.Colorado. > EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/UnixOps) with SMTP id VAA08500 for <johnsonr@colorado > .edu>; Fri, 6 May 1994 21:19:57 -0600 > Received: from toad.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP > (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwoul06069; Fri, 6 May 94 22:57:18 - > 0400 > Received: by toad.com id AA19697; Fri, 6 May 94 19:37:27 PDT > Received: from netcomsv.netcom.com (uucp3.netcom.com) by toad.com id AA19687; F > ri, 6 May 94 19:37:21 PDT > Received: from lassie.UUCP by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (8.6.4/SMI-4.1) > id TAA20208; Fri, 6 May 1994 19:09:58 -0700 > Received: by lassie.uucp!lassie; Fri, 06 May 1994 18:51:46 > X-Mailer: WinNET Mail, v2.11 > Message-Id: <207(a)lassie.lassie.uucp> > Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Precedence: bulk > Content-Type: text > Content-Length: 1264 > > > > FORWARDED MAIL ------- > From: netcomsv.netcom.com!access.digex.net!jthomas (Joe Thomas) > Date: 06 May 94 > Originally To: Jim Nalbandian <netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie> > > On the cypherpunks list you excreted: > > > MIT has just officially announFrom owner-cypherpunks Sat May 7 06:42:33 1994 Return-Path: <owner-cypherpunks> Received: by toad.com id AA28207; Sat, 7 May 94 06:42:33 PDT Received: from demon-du.an-teallach.com by toad.com id AA28193; Sat, 7 May 94 06:40:52 PDT Received: from an-teallach.com by demon-du.an-teallach.com with SMTP id AA90035 ; Sat, 07 May 94 13:09:06 GMT Received: from gtoal@localhost by an-teallach.com (8.6.4/1.37) id NAA09440; Sat, 7 May 1994 13:01:02 +0100 Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 13:01:02 +0100 From: gtoal(a)an-teallach.com (Graham Toal) Message-Id: <199405071201.NAA09440(a)an-teallach.com> To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: <no subject> X-Phone: +44 31 662 0366 X-Fax: +44 31 662 4678 X-Organisation: An Teallach Limited Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk to anyone, so please don't flame me. Hopefully the members of the list will supply lots of feedback! Compression - ----------- It's probably wise to standardize on a particular compression scheme. I have no opinions on this subject and welcome input. The most important feature is speed, not efficiency of compression. Look, just forget the rest of the bullshit and go away and come back when you've got good working compression at about 12kbits/sec, so that you can run it down a v32bis over slip or ppp. All the rest of the stuff has been written already (nevot, vat etc) When you've done that we'll start taking you seriously. G PS Oh yes, I foprgot: it has to be done on something less beefy than a high-speed sparc... any idiot can do that with off the shelf code already.

1 0

Mail to N7SZS@k7buc.az.us.na
by MAILER-DAEMON＠grimsel.frcs.alt.za 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

You recently sent mail to N7SZS(a)k7buc.az.us.na. This was routed to grimsel.frcs.alt.za, en route to Namibia. However, this machine has no record of the host in question. If you think that this host really does exist, and is a machine in Namibia, could you please send mail to the administrator of the .NA domain, Dr Eberhard Lisse (el(a)lisse.na) However, the usual reason for such erroneous addressing is the use of packet-radio addresses across the Internet. Packet radio users have decided to use NA (the ISO code for Namibia) for North America. This incurs great expense, as the mail travels half-way around the planet, over expensive and over-crowded links that are paid for by comparatively poor people in semi-developed countries. If this is the case, please make a _large_ mental nore never to do this again, and tell all your friends not to as well. Packet radio addresses are _not_ Internet addresses, even if they look the same. You may wish to try routing your mail via "gate.ampr.org" (eg: user%site.na(a)gate.ampr.org) Do _not_ send packet-radio addressing queries to me, as I do not know anything about this network, other than the headaches that it causes for me. Another problem that occurs less frequently is mis-spelling addresses for sites in New Zeeland (.NZ). If this is the problem, you will have to re-send the mail to the relevant site, with the correct address. We have also seen the occasional message escaping from JANET in the UK, which has a reversed addressing scheme, addressed to machines in Napoli, which come out as "user(a)it.whatever.na". There is no easy answer to this one (other than teaching the rest of the world to drive on the left). The mail headers from your message appear below, sans the body, to save some bandwidth. If you have further queries, please direct them to me, paul(a)frcs.alt.za. This message was generated automatically, so please do not feel that you absolutely _have_ to reply with a "mea culpa" message. > Received: from gw1.att.com by grimsel.frcs.alt.za with smtp > (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0pzKeF-0000Z0C; Fri, 6 May 94 09:48 SAST > Received: by emsr0.emsr.att.com (4.1/EMS main.cf 1.33 7/21/93 (SMI-4.1/SVR4)) > id AA00198; Fri, 6 May 94 03:53:15 EDT > Received: from anchor.ho.att.com by emsr0.emsr.att.com (4.1/EMS main.cf 1.33 7/21/93 (SMI-4.1/SVR4)) > id AA00194; Fri, 6 May 94 03:53:14 EDT > Received: by anchor.ho.att.com (bind.920909) > id AA24048; Fri, 6 May 94 03:52:29 EDT > Date: Fri, 6 May 94 03:52:29 EDT > From: wcs(a)anchor.ho.att.com (bill.stewart(a)pleasantonca.ncr.com +1-510-484-6204) > Message-Id: <9405060752.AA24048(a)anchor.ho.att.com> > To: N7SZS(a)k7buc.az.us.na > Subject: flame return

1 0

Re: Nalbandian's email address
by rustman＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:44 AM 5/7/94 -0400, wcs(a)anchor.ho.att.com (bill.stewart(a)pleasantonca.ncr.com +1-510 wrote: >Jim Nalbandian, who's recently been posting to cypherpunks, >has a signature line that contains a couple of *severely* non-portable >addresses; I have no way to tell whether my email to him worked >on the netcomish address. Don't know about his spelling errors, >but his addressing errors distinctly *are* international.... ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I don't understand what you mean by the above. I think the correct address would be just jim%lassie(a)netcom.com, which is a UUCP connection to netcom. Connected to netcomsv. Escape character is '^]'. 220-netcomsv.netcom.com Sendmail 8.6.4/SMI-4.1 ready at Sat, 7 May 1994 03:05:00 220 ESMTP spoken here 250 <test(a)netcomsv.netcom.com> expn netcomsv!nonexisting!addr #test a bogus addr to see error message 501 netcomsv!nonexisting!addr... nonexisting is an unknown UUCP connection expn netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com 250 <jim%lassie(a)netcomsv.netcom.com> >I got an interesting bouncegram from Namibia when I tried using >the N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA address - it's some sort of Amateur packet radio >address, which has a syntax similar to Internet addresses but >rips off the .na namespace The Hams have implemented TCP/IP over the air, using the airwaves as a sort of ethernet (albiet slowly). Works quite well. However, these addresses are not internet addresses, and the Ham network has very important FCC-mandated restrictions on message content. (No encrypting, no commercial traffic, no explicit or oobscene stuff). Don't confuse this with the UUCP city.state.us domains. If you see a user or site name such as [KN]*[1-9]* (e.g. N7SZS or K7BUC), recognize that as a ham call sign and assume that it is a tcp/ip packet network. -- Rusty Hodge <rustman(a)netcom.com>

1 0

Re: Nalbandian's email address
by snyderra＠dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:50 AM 5/7/94 -1000, NetSurfer wrote: >> From:wcs@anchor.ho.att.com >> To: jim%lassie(a)netcom.com, lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com, >> >> I got an interesting bouncegram from Namibia when I tried using >> the N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA address - it's some sort of Amateur packet radio >> >> Could one of the administrators at Netcom please help him >> put a useable return address in his .signature? > >Aren't radio licenses registered and names associated with them available >by FOIA? The address N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA is Packet Radio address. Few ways of getting it mail from the internet, in it would be read for violations of FCC rules before it went out anyway. Amateur Radio operator's addresses are available in various callbooks, including a few online. Check the Yandroff(sp?) Services list for addresses. (I'm doing mail offline, or I'd do it and include it with the message), No FOIA is required (although I suspect a FOIA would be honored for it) Bob -- Bob Snyder N2KGO MIME, RIPEM mail accepted snyderra(a)dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu finger for RIPEM public key When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl.

1 0

Re: iPower card info from NatSemi
by Matt Blaze 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>iPower: The Card That Ate Your Privacy > >I got a "Technology Fact Sheet" on the National Semiconductor iPower >(Tessera) card today. It's pretty grim. They have big plans for this >little monster, which go way beyond just tapping the telephones of a >few Mafiosi. It's too long to key in the whole thing - if you want one, >call them at 1-800-272-9959. They are very helpful. Here are a few >interesting excerpts: My understanding is that NSC plans to release a Tessera version for the federal market and a DES version for the rest of us. This is probably reasonable - the federal (defense message system) Tessera market is pretty big. I don't know if they actually got the federal contract; I seem to recal hearing last week that the DoD contract for Tessera cards went to someone else, but I don't remember who. BTW, I've been playing with a prototype Tessera card for the last couple of weeks; cute little thing. Comments to follow shortly... -matt

1 0

No Subject
by Matt Thomlinson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have no idea why jim insists on sending 20 copies of my bounce back to the list. I've contacted netcom and am hoping they'll clear up this abuse of their user agreement. I'm not sure what jim expects to accomplish; his original rants were, well, rants. For a person trying to get crypto to the masses, he's doing a good job of trying to kill all crypto development. Good thinking, jim. His posts now have no apparent reason behind them other than to simply be an anti-social irritation to members of the list. Unless something else happens, this is the last you'll see me write about it on the list. I'm just going to install a filter so I can read cpunks around jim. I hope you all will do the same so we don't have to discuss him. mt Matt Thomlinson University of Washington, Seattle, Washington. phone: (206) 548-9804 Check my home page -- ftp://ftp.u.washington.edu/public/phantom/home.html PGP 2.2 key available via email, or finger phantom(a)hardy.u.washington.edu

1 0

Refused Mail
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!krypton.mankato.msus.edu!hayden ("Robert A. Hayden") Date: 07 May 94 Originally To: Jim Nalbandian <netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie> Is there some reason why you are bouncing your 'refused mail' back to the list? If there is, I would, as would other, appreciate it if you could tell us. If you don't have a reason, or are doing it simply to get attention, then STOP IT! ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden(a)krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Political Correctness is \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> P.C. for "Thought Police" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

1 0

Re: some animals are more equal than others
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > On Sat, 7 May 1994, Chris Knight wrote: > > > Due to the tremendous effort of the "War On Drugs" propiganda pimps, a > > law was passed there that allows the police to pull you over and search > > your car WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE. > > > > This was late '91, anyone ever know if it got challenged in court? > > Interesting, since this so-called "law" seems to be in direct violation > of the Carroll Doctrine. >

1 0

Cypherpunks is gated to Usenet
by Matthew J Ghio 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, I just found out that someone has gated the cypherpunks list to Usenet. Which means, if you send mail to the list, and include a Newsgroups: header, the message will also be cross-posted to the specified newsgroups.

1 0

Re: Data sent to you?
by Chris Knight 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 7 May 1994, Jim Nalbandian wrote: > Go away, you people are losers. If this is truely how you feel, then I would like to remind you that you subscribed to this list... It'll be so much nicer when you unsubscribe. I'm sorry we were not what you are looking for. Frankly, I can't even tell you where to look, since I have not been in any usenet groups that had quite your "quality" of postings. -ck

1 0

Expectations of privacy (Was Re: Security Consult. Needed)
by plocher＠attaboy.Eng.Sun.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

| I heard a talk this past week [...] | | Basically, every phone in the government buildings is subject to being | listened in on. Everyone there knows this and knows beforehand that | their calls are most likly being taped. There is no privacy in calls | from these buildings and since one party knows this (ie the gov. individual) | it is leagal to tape and and listen in. Of course the other person | is not necisarily aware of this but that's his/her- problem (according to law). | | Now when governement individuals start carrying cell phones, I suspect | that the sames rules will apply. (?) | | I also heard (I may be wrong) that there is a law that says people should | expect that their cell phones will be overheard but that any information | obtained from such a converstation can not be used in court. The government (as do most businesses) asserts it's ownership of its property. Among this property are the phones && phone systems that it has purchased. Since our government is concerned about how our tax dollars are spent, it has regulations forbidding personal use of its property by it's employees. Since this is the government, these regulations take the form of law - both civil and criminal. Since they have outlawed personal use, it follows that the only legitimate use will be that dealing with government business. And there is nothing wrong with a business being concerned with how its operations are being conducted. Consider taping of E911 calls, listening in on IRS help lines to ensure no useful information is divulged, compiling statistics on just how long people will wait on hold for someone in the DMV, and the like ... :-) (As an aside, government people who deal in security usually answer their phones with "Hello, Mr/s Smith speaking, this channel is not secure" to alert the caller that the connection may be monitored) Contrary to Lile's fears, while the government reserves the right to listen to its employees' phone calls, it most certainly does not routinely tape all such calls. (hmmm, several hundred thousand employees times ?? hours phone use per day == how many tons of audio tape? :-) The laws of this land (USoA) also state that it is illegal to record phone conversations unless at least one of the parties is aware of the action (or there is a court warrent authorizing a wiretap). Since all gov't phones are subject to monitoring, all gov't employees are told this, and thus the law is adhered to. Still no reason for paranoia. With today's cell phones there is *no* security - anyone with a scanner can listen to (at least one half of) your phone calls. Phone Encryption Devices (like the device that used to be called Clipper before Intergraph objected) will at least get rid of these casual eavesdroppers - never mind the other problems it has. The FCC has laws that regulate what you can do with information gathered from "private" radio transmissions - any conversations that are not directed at *you*, but that you happen to overhear. One of these regulations states that while it is not illegal to receive these transmissions, but it is illegal to _divulge_ information about it. It is still somewhat of an open question as to whether a cellphone user has an expectation of privacy, or whether the phone's transmissions are somehow "public". If the later, then no warrent would be needed... This issue happens to be the "enhanced security" being proposed in the FBI's Digital Telephony Bill - in an effort to cover up the gaping erosion of privacy mandated by this proposed bill, it offers to make divulging a cordless phone's calls illegal. Thanks, but no thanks. -John

1 0

magic money clients doing business with more than one server?
by steve willey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- i now have 10Ghost Marcs. now, for something to spend them on ;) next question, can one client hold coins of different currencies? it appears that it can't. for one thing the bank.key is a single key and not a keyring. is it worth adapting mgmny clients to handle multiple currencies (servers)? has this already be discussed? what do people think of releasing the mgmny package with the necessary pgptls code together so that people who only want magic money need only fetch one archive file, not both mgmny and pgptools? i have both the client and server binaries for SunOS4.1.3 that i will gladly make available (via email, i have no ftp option) On Sat, 7 May 1994, Matt Thomlinson wrote: > I guess I already sent you the initialization file, right? > right, i now have 10Gm. now, for something to spend them on ;) steve - ------ ** stephen willey DoD# 0769, 1Kspt=5.80, prez IBMC * '92 CFM-2 ** ** willey(a)seattleu.edu pgp key on server * '81 GS450 ** ** "The tree of liberty must from time to time be * '73 RD350 ** ** refreshed by the blood of patriots and tyrants." t. jefferson ** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLcxMA+kLnBC5IxgxAQFbMQQAmw5+U6riD8/uOCa/OBZCSm6lmTTLb2Co E5zFAL/LszO6tjWPwsIj9q2l/9SqfatzZtdgQaiIRlie3D62+FbfZzwB0dsME4q5 /C/IYS+WN1Ny33m59LEszG/mCxa0GIDmzHLXzA/KNDdFPKsDExWRUG5404eZArlO 8gneAgVAojU= =3KMl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.3a mQCNAivSAg4AAAEEAPI/uyUB7gZf0M57U0qodnwpn5ClnSTgkh33o1g50WZOAxfJ 77iTDxbM/Xp5HFWwFtcB1HucYgego3G2K8JlxWOAHZW1mDBMLx9ASSkQBUb86aH4 IoUcg9TaiuhmOZYy5mxzOIUJhfSaU3kW8XQfR7K+lYTcy+pc0+kLnBC5IxgxAAUT tCpTdGVwaGVuIFN0ZXZlIFdpbGxleSA8d2lsbGV5QHNlYXR0bGV1LmVkdT6JAJUC BRAsqzXQ7dfzATntVykBARUvA/4kAS/p/kcsSE3u4DhsbouK1svDkrYgqhx29hip k9ANeZSIWpbkyOSzrL1cqtyT9vK6N135HNYrct4+fmdVkm7UIxGTMgzilAfxXmBb KPWbo9Xd0qM+HhBylMIBTKFw1pjK64fB8rXwNIgr/YljQA+d77cVtBi8N8mUvTk6 k/0gHw== =SIA9 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

1 0

Is the List dead?
by Istvan Oszaraz von Keszi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is the list dead? Haven't seen anything now for an extended period. -- Istvan

1 0