December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Nalbandian's email address
by rustman＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:44 AM 5/7/94 -0400, wcs(a)anchor.ho.att.com (bill.stewart(a)pleasantonca.ncr.com +1-510 wrote: >Jim Nalbandian, who's recently been posting to cypherpunks, >has a signature line that contains a couple of *severely* non-portable >addresses; I have no way to tell whether my email to him worked >on the netcomish address. Don't know about his spelling errors, >but his addressing errors distinctly *are* international.... ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I don't understand what you mean by the above. I think the correct address would be just jim%lassie(a)netcom.com, which is a UUCP connection to netcom. Connected to netcomsv. Escape character is '^]'. 220-netcomsv.netcom.com Sendmail 8.6.4/SMI-4.1 ready at Sat, 7 May 1994 03:05:00 220 ESMTP spoken here 250 <test(a)netcomsv.netcom.com> expn netcomsv!nonexisting!addr #test a bogus addr to see error message 501 netcomsv!nonexisting!addr... nonexisting is an unknown UUCP connection expn netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com 250 <jim%lassie(a)netcomsv.netcom.com> >I got an interesting bouncegram from Namibia when I tried using >the N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA address - it's some sort of Amateur packet radio >address, which has a syntax similar to Internet addresses but >rips off the .na namespace The Hams have implemented TCP/IP over the air, using the airwaves as a sort of ethernet (albiet slowly). Works quite well. However, these addresses are not internet addresses, and the Ham network has very important FCC-mandated restrictions on message content. (No encrypting, no commercial traffic, no explicit or oobscene stuff). Don't confuse this with the UUCP city.state.us domains. If you see a user or site name such as [KN]*[1-9]* (e.g. N7SZS or K7BUC), recognize that as a ham call sign and assume that it is a tcp/ip packet network. -- Rusty Hodge <rustman(a)netcom.com>

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Re: Nalbandian's email address
by snyderra＠dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:50 AM 5/7/94 -1000, NetSurfer wrote: >> From:wcs@anchor.ho.att.com >> To: jim%lassie(a)netcom.com, lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com, >> >> I got an interesting bouncegram from Namibia when I tried using >> the N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA address - it's some sort of Amateur packet radio >> >> Could one of the administrators at Netcom please help him >> put a useable return address in his .signature? > >Aren't radio licenses registered and names associated with them available >by FOIA? The address N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA is Packet Radio address. Few ways of getting it mail from the internet, in it would be read for violations of FCC rules before it went out anyway. Amateur Radio operator's addresses are available in various callbooks, including a few online. Check the Yandroff(sp?) Services list for addresses. (I'm doing mail offline, or I'd do it and include it with the message), No FOIA is required (although I suspect a FOIA would be honored for it) Bob -- Bob Snyder N2KGO MIME, RIPEM mail accepted snyderra(a)dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu finger for RIPEM public key When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl.

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Re: iPower card info from NatSemi
by Matt Blaze 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>iPower: The Card That Ate Your Privacy > >I got a "Technology Fact Sheet" on the National Semiconductor iPower >(Tessera) card today. It's pretty grim. They have big plans for this >little monster, which go way beyond just tapping the telephones of a >few Mafiosi. It's too long to key in the whole thing - if you want one, >call them at 1-800-272-9959. They are very helpful. Here are a few >interesting excerpts: My understanding is that NSC plans to release a Tessera version for the federal market and a DES version for the rest of us. This is probably reasonable - the federal (defense message system) Tessera market is pretty big. I don't know if they actually got the federal contract; I seem to recal hearing last week that the DoD contract for Tessera cards went to someone else, but I don't remember who. BTW, I've been playing with a prototype Tessera card for the last couple of weeks; cute little thing. Comments to follow shortly... -matt

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No Subject
by Matt Thomlinson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have no idea why jim insists on sending 20 copies of my bounce back to the list. I've contacted netcom and am hoping they'll clear up this abuse of their user agreement. I'm not sure what jim expects to accomplish; his original rants were, well, rants. For a person trying to get crypto to the masses, he's doing a good job of trying to kill all crypto development. Good thinking, jim. His posts now have no apparent reason behind them other than to simply be an anti-social irritation to members of the list. Unless something else happens, this is the last you'll see me write about it on the list. I'm just going to install a filter so I can read cpunks around jim. I hope you all will do the same so we don't have to discuss him. mt Matt Thomlinson University of Washington, Seattle, Washington. phone: (206) 548-9804 Check my home page -- ftp://ftp.u.washington.edu/public/phantom/home.html PGP 2.2 key available via email, or finger phantom(a)hardy.u.washington.edu

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Refused Mail
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!krypton.mankato.msus.edu!hayden ("Robert A. Hayden") Date: 07 May 94 Originally To: Jim Nalbandian <netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie> Is there some reason why you are bouncing your 'refused mail' back to the list? If there is, I would, as would other, appreciate it if you could tell us. If you don't have a reason, or are doing it simply to get attention, then STOP IT! ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden(a)krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Political Correctness is \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> P.C. for "Thought Police" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

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Re: some animals are more equal than others
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > On Sat, 7 May 1994, Chris Knight wrote: > > > Due to the tremendous effort of the "War On Drugs" propiganda pimps, a > > law was passed there that allows the police to pull you over and search > > your car WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE. > > > > This was late '91, anyone ever know if it got challenged in court? > > Interesting, since this so-called "law" seems to be in direct violation > of the Carroll Doctrine. >

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Cypherpunks is gated to Usenet
by Matthew J Ghio 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, I just found out that someone has gated the cypherpunks list to Usenet. Which means, if you send mail to the list, and include a Newsgroups: header, the message will also be cross-posted to the specified newsgroups.

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Re: Data sent to you?
by Chris Knight 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 7 May 1994, Jim Nalbandian wrote: > Go away, you people are losers. If this is truely how you feel, then I would like to remind you that you subscribed to this list... It'll be so much nicer when you unsubscribe. I'm sorry we were not what you are looking for. Frankly, I can't even tell you where to look, since I have not been in any usenet groups that had quite your "quality" of postings. -ck

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Expectations of privacy (Was Re: Security Consult. Needed)
by plocher＠attaboy.Eng.Sun.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

| I heard a talk this past week [...] | | Basically, every phone in the government buildings is subject to being | listened in on. Everyone there knows this and knows beforehand that | their calls are most likly being taped. There is no privacy in calls | from these buildings and since one party knows this (ie the gov. individual) | it is leagal to tape and and listen in. Of course the other person | is not necisarily aware of this but that's his/her- problem (according to law). | | Now when governement individuals start carrying cell phones, I suspect | that the sames rules will apply. (?) | | I also heard (I may be wrong) that there is a law that says people should | expect that their cell phones will be overheard but that any information | obtained from such a converstation can not be used in court. The government (as do most businesses) asserts it's ownership of its property. Among this property are the phones && phone systems that it has purchased. Since our government is concerned about how our tax dollars are spent, it has regulations forbidding personal use of its property by it's employees. Since this is the government, these regulations take the form of law - both civil and criminal. Since they have outlawed personal use, it follows that the only legitimate use will be that dealing with government business. And there is nothing wrong with a business being concerned with how its operations are being conducted. Consider taping of E911 calls, listening in on IRS help lines to ensure no useful information is divulged, compiling statistics on just how long people will wait on hold for someone in the DMV, and the like ... :-) (As an aside, government people who deal in security usually answer their phones with "Hello, Mr/s Smith speaking, this channel is not secure" to alert the caller that the connection may be monitored) Contrary to Lile's fears, while the government reserves the right to listen to its employees' phone calls, it most certainly does not routinely tape all such calls. (hmmm, several hundred thousand employees times ?? hours phone use per day == how many tons of audio tape? :-) The laws of this land (USoA) also state that it is illegal to record phone conversations unless at least one of the parties is aware of the action (or there is a court warrent authorizing a wiretap). Since all gov't phones are subject to monitoring, all gov't employees are told this, and thus the law is adhered to. Still no reason for paranoia. With today's cell phones there is *no* security - anyone with a scanner can listen to (at least one half of) your phone calls. Phone Encryption Devices (like the device that used to be called Clipper before Intergraph objected) will at least get rid of these casual eavesdroppers - never mind the other problems it has. The FCC has laws that regulate what you can do with information gathered from "private" radio transmissions - any conversations that are not directed at *you*, but that you happen to overhear. One of these regulations states that while it is not illegal to receive these transmissions, but it is illegal to _divulge_ information about it. It is still somewhat of an open question as to whether a cellphone user has an expectation of privacy, or whether the phone's transmissions are somehow "public". If the later, then no warrent would be needed... This issue happens to be the "enhanced security" being proposed in the FBI's Digital Telephony Bill - in an effort to cover up the gaping erosion of privacy mandated by this proposed bill, it offers to make divulging a cordless phone's calls illegal. Thanks, but no thanks. -John

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magic money clients doing business with more than one server?
by steve willey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- i now have 10Ghost Marcs. now, for something to spend them on ;) next question, can one client hold coins of different currencies? it appears that it can't. for one thing the bank.key is a single key and not a keyring. is it worth adapting mgmny clients to handle multiple currencies (servers)? has this already be discussed? what do people think of releasing the mgmny package with the necessary pgptls code together so that people who only want magic money need only fetch one archive file, not both mgmny and pgptools? i have both the client and server binaries for SunOS4.1.3 that i will gladly make available (via email, i have no ftp option) On Sat, 7 May 1994, Matt Thomlinson wrote: > I guess I already sent you the initialization file, right? > right, i now have 10Gm. now, for something to spend them on ;) steve - ------ ** stephen willey DoD# 0769, 1Kspt=5.80, prez IBMC * '92 CFM-2 ** ** willey(a)seattleu.edu pgp key on server * '81 GS450 ** ** "The tree of liberty must from time to time be * '73 RD350 ** ** refreshed by the blood of patriots and tyrants." t. jefferson ** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLcxMA+kLnBC5IxgxAQFbMQQAmw5+U6riD8/uOCa/OBZCSm6lmTTLb2Co E5zFAL/LszO6tjWPwsIj9q2l/9SqfatzZtdgQaiIRlie3D62+FbfZzwB0dsME4q5 /C/IYS+WN1Ny33m59LEszG/mCxa0GIDmzHLXzA/KNDdFPKsDExWRUG5404eZArlO 8gneAgVAojU= =3KMl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.3a mQCNAivSAg4AAAEEAPI/uyUB7gZf0M57U0qodnwpn5ClnSTgkh33o1g50WZOAxfJ 77iTDxbM/Xp5HFWwFtcB1HucYgego3G2K8JlxWOAHZW1mDBMLx9ASSkQBUb86aH4 IoUcg9TaiuhmOZYy5mxzOIUJhfSaU3kW8XQfR7K+lYTcy+pc0+kLnBC5IxgxAAUT tCpTdGVwaGVuIFN0ZXZlIFdpbGxleSA8d2lsbGV5QHNlYXR0bGV1LmVkdT6JAJUC BRAsqzXQ7dfzATntVykBARUvA/4kAS/p/kcsSE3u4DhsbouK1svDkrYgqhx29hip k9ANeZSIWpbkyOSzrL1cqtyT9vK6N135HNYrct4+fmdVkm7UIxGTMgzilAfxXmBb KPWbo9Xd0qM+HhBylMIBTKFw1pjK64fB8rXwNIgr/YljQA+d77cVtBi8N8mUvTk6 k/0gHw== =SIA9 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Is the List dead?
by Istvan Oszaraz von Keszi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is the list dead? Haven't seen anything now for an extended period. -- Istvan

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WinPGP
by MWayne＠eworld.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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MacPGP for PowerPC
by MWayne＠eworld.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi-- Two questions for you this morning: 1-Does anyone know what is going on re: the development of a version of MacPGP for the PowerPC? Although the exisitng version does work, I am looking for a native code version. 2-With the recent announcement by MIT, is there any development of a version 2.5 for Mac...680x0 or PPC? Thanks regards, - --Mitch -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3 iQCVAgUBLcyRkDIAcJ9oIU2VAQEJiwQAnBX5lFv9vx4p4DSTH9rcdABa7CpqA5Q9 hSW+JesqbolTgfFpUotdFiQWBmg/YHiW/UxTjLWmRHv53sDU5/tMeZfXZw7kjQdk R8IJi7w0KfFIoEXcVfuuSyylsHdP20eb64ueAC10InLWnOwySEbera5CSp0wn5Di kaXvQ/LUM1U= =zCHT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Message to Hal
by Hal 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It has come to my attention that I am the only subscribed member of the list at present. Everyone else seems to have unsubscribed, or been unsub- scribed, and only I have resubscribed. So, I'll just take this opportunity to make a test post, without worrying about swamping hundreds of mailboxes... Hal

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Detweiler comes out of the woodwork
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Detweiler -- Out of the shadows? Newsgroups: alt.security.pgp,talk.politics.crypto From: tmp(a)netcom.com Subject: Re: RSA Data Security Inc. and Pretty Good Privacy...some comments Message-ID: <tmpCpGyFy.BME(a)netcom.com> Followup-To: alt.security.pgp,talk.politics.crypto Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 05:40:46 GMT Lines: 9 tmp(a)netcom.com wrote: : I post, therefore I am. You offend, therefore you am not. truthfully yours, --L.Detweiler

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NYT Op-Ed piece...
by Peter Wayner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The NYT ran an op-ed piece by David Gelerntner arguing that the Digital Telephony and Clipper initiatives are a good idea. He is a professor of Computer Science at Yale University who is known for developing a parallel processing langauge known as Linda. He recently received a letter bomb that really hurt him and he mentions this in the piece. The FBI has been tracking this bomber for some time, but they haven't been able to catch him/her. It's in the edition of Sunday May 8th. -Peter Wayner D

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Data sent to you? (fwd)
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!desert.hacktic.nl!kafka (-=[ Patrick Oonk ]=-) Date: 08 May 94 Originally To: netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie get a life. ,,, (o o) .---------------oOO---(_)---OOo--------------------. | KAFKA(a)DESERT.HACKTIC.NL | | Pager: 06-5835851(1/2/3/4) | | Cryptoanarchy - xBase - PGP - House Music - MDMA | | Finger kafka(a)xs4all.hacktic.nl for PGP key | `--------------------------------------------------' == To get PGP, FTP /pub/unix/security/crypt/pgp23A.zip from ftp.funet.fi == -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

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Testing
by Mike Ingle 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is the list still alive? No mail today.

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Gelernter Op-Ed Piece
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've received no cypherpunks mail for 24 hours so this may be old news but... David Gelernter, author of Linda and recent victim of the UnaBomber, writes in support of the DTI and Clipper. "Wiretaps for a Wireless Age" is on the Op-Ed page of the Sunday New York Times. I will be writing a Letter to the Editor and others should as well. Will someone who has access pick this up and post it. It's very important. It has some factual flaws: "What kind of half-wit criminal would...return a rental van that played a starring role in a big-budget terrorist spectacular?" But it represents as strong a statement of their position as Safire's column was of ours. Brilliant bit: "Privacy buffs are often big fans of gun control and the Endangered Species Act; some versions of gun control restrict the objects you may keep in your own home, and the species act has been interpreted in a way that drastically restricts the ways citizens may use their land." Of course many of us are not fans of gun control or the Endangered Species Act. --- WinQwk 2.0b#1165

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magic money
by Ice-Fox (aka Robert Sturtz) 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

could someone give me a hand compileing magic money?? btw many thanks too all those who emailed me adresses for pgp Yours in SYNC. Robert Sturtz __ __ __/// rsturt(a)wilbur.mbark.swin.oz.au (Ice-Fox on irc) __/// \XX/ Vice-President of Eastern Wargamers And Roleplayers Club \XX/

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Clipper keys - backup copy.
by GRABOW_GEOFFREY＠tandem.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Has anyone considered that there must be a backup copy of the keys somewhere? Granted that the keys are supposed to be securely held by two seperate agencies, but where are the backup copies and who has access to 'em? You can't tell me that there aren't any backups. Any info? G.C.G. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Geoffrey C. Grabow | "What we demand are rigidly defined | | Oyster Bay, New York | areas of doubt and uncertainty!" | | | -------------------- | | grabow_geoffrey(a)tandem.com | Clipper, SkipJack & Digital Telephony | | | JUST SAY NO!!! | |----------------------------------------------------------------------| | PGP fingerprint = C9 95 0F C4 E9 DD 8E 73 DD 99 4E F5 EB 7A B6 1D | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: Anonymous phone calls
by GRABOW_GEOFFREY＠tandem.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks for all of the responses. A friend of mine who works for a baby bell has been helping me in determining if the suggestions work. As for lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com's incredibly useless response and instructions on how to use a pay phone... let me guess... you just figured out how to use one and now it gives you a special thrill to inform everyone else. If you use that lump of gray matter you call a brain, you'll realize that the purpose of any truly anonymous system is to reveal NO INFORMATION AT ALL!!!!! If you use a pay phone, the location of the phone is available to the phone company before the call completes. However, I do not mean to put your idea down... if you ever need to make anonymous phone calls to avoid police detection, (or anyone else for that matter...) please feel free to use a pay phone and I'll be happy to visit you after you have been arrested. G.C.G. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Geoffrey C. Grabow | "What we demand are rigidly defined | | Oyster Bay, New York | areas of doubt and uncertainty!" | | | -------------------- | | grabow_geoffrey(a)tandem.com | Clipper, SkipJack & Digital Telephony | | | JUST SAY NO!!! | |----------------------------------------------------------------------| | PGP fingerprint = C9 95 0F C4 E9 DD 8E 73 DD 99 4E F5 EB 7A B6 1D | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: Server Incompatibilities?
by Bill O'Hanlon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 7 May 1994 15:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Matthew J Ghio wrote: -------- > Stuart Smith <Stu(a)nemesis.wimsey.com> wrote: > > > I am writing an automagic remailing chaining/ARA creating OS/2 > > REXX script. A short time ago, either in this group or on the > > cypherpunks mailing list, there was a post that some remailer > > would not work if the previous mailer was remailer(a)rebma.mn.org. > > I don't remember the remailer and I can't find the original post - > > could someone let me know which one it was? > > Yeah, it's remailer(a)rebma.mn.org. The reason is because the remailer is > on a UUCP feed and the mail gateway it uses mangles the headers. As Hal mentions in another note, this should be fixed, now. I believe I changed my mail config a couple months ago and did not test the remailer. It took a while for anyone (anyone == Hal) to notice and bug me about it. Sorry for any inconvenience. -Bill

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TEST
by tcmay＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is a test to see if mail is getting though. If you get this, there are only about a dozen of us shown on Majordomo's listing, as you probably already know. Anybody know what happened? (I can think of some possibilities: Nalbandian's threatened 12.2 MB mail bomb, someone (LD or JN?) unsubscribed everyone with Majordomo, or a toad problem unrelated.) Exciting times in cypherspace. --Tim -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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No traffic received in two days...
by Christian D. Odhner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Who got nuked, me or the list? Happy Hunting, -Chris. ______________________________________________________________________________ Christian Douglas Odhner | "The NSA can have my secret key when they pry cdodhner(a)indirect.com | it from my cold, dead, hands... But they shall pgp 2.3 public key by finger | NEVER have the password it's encrypted with!" cypherpunks WOw dCD Traskcom Team Stupid Key fingerprint = 58 62 A2 84 FD 4F 56 38 82 69 6F 08 E4 F1 79 11 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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