December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by nobody＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 10:27:58 -0500 From: sommerfeld(a)orchard.medford.ma.us (Bill Sommerfeld) BTW, I just called Sen. Kennedy's office. Kennedy is on the Armed Services committee, and according to the secretary is in favor of the nomination, but I asked a staffer to ask Kennedy to ask Inman about how he reconciles the First Amendment with statements he's made like these. I just called Sen. Kennedy's office as well. If you're a Massachusetts resident, consider giving them a ring and talking to a staffer. If enough people do this, Sen. Kennedy might actually ask Inman a couple of questions on the topic. (Which, I suspect, is the best we can hope for; but it is *something*.)

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DES chips.
by loki＠nately.UCSD.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am looking for suppliers of DES chips. I wanted to use an IDEA chip in the phone I am designing, but the only one made is 177Mbps and costs about 200SFR. So one possibility is IDEA in software, and the other is DES (or tripple DES) in hardware. So, if you know name, address, phone, or email for companies that produce or sell DES chips, please let me know. ---------------------------------------------------------- Lance Cottrell who does not speak for CASS/UCSD Obscura Security Products loki(a)nately.ucsd.edu PGP 2.3 key available by finger or server. "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come." --Nietzsche ----------------------------------------------------------

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QUOTE from Gerald M. Weinberg
by fnerd＠smds.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Having said all that, I do not shrink from personal responsibility for what I have done in writing this book. We stand at the brink of a new age, an age made possible by the revolution that is embodied in the computer. Standing on the brink, we could totter either way--to a golden age of liberty or a dark age of tyranny, either of which would surpass anything the world has ever known. Perhaps no individual's efforts will make any difference in the result, but we must never cease trying, for then the result is sure to be tyranny. This book is my effort against the tyranny, the enslavement of men by other men and by their own ignorance. Would that it not be adopted by the forces of tyranny themselves, as no doubt it will be. Lacking that hope, I can only hope that its use to the other forces will, in the balance, be greater." --Gerald M. Weinberg, _The Psychology of Computer Programming_, 1971 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a aKxB8nktcBAeQHabQP/d7yhWgpGZBIoIqII8cY9nG55HYHgvtoxiQCVAgUBLMs3K ui6XaCZmKH68fOWYYySKAzPkXyfYKnOlzsIjp2toust1Q5A3/n54PBKrUDN9tHVz 3Ch466q9EKUuDulTU6OLsilzmRvQJn0EJhzd4pht6hanC0R3seYNhUYhoJViCcCG sRjLQs4iVVM= =9wqs -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Writable CD-ROMS as one-t
by smb＠research.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If you record - say - 5 of them and send them by 5 seperate couriers and xor them together to send the message, your enemy has to compromise etc 5 people. Or your enemy has to penetrate your site or your correspondent's site, and copy five CD-ROMs instead of one. CD-ROMs have one advantage: there's a lot of data. But that's not all good, because you *really* want to destroy any keying material you've ever used. I've heard People Who Know say that in the spook and government world, one-time pads are falling out of favor --- because their practical security isn't as good as a really high quality conventional cipher with a dynamically-negotiated session key. I repeat: *practical* security; your enemy isn't going to hit you or bribe you with a copy of Shannon's theorems.

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No Subject
by nobody＠rosebud.ee.uh.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: James Hicks, <71332.747(a)compuserve.com> Well, a couple of nights ago I was sitting here using my modem, I had just finished perusing the C'punks list, when I heard about 5 shots ring out in the alley next to my home. A few lines of garbage zapped across the screen and then the modem was totally unresponsive. Well, I picked up the phone (another line); dead silence. [You guessed it. One of the bullets hit the phone line. ASCII armor was no defense]. Not wanting to go through the night totally out of contact with the rest of the world, I decided to place a call to the phone co. from a nearby neighbors place but decided to sit tight for a few minutes to foil traffic analysis (and give whoever it was running around out there in the dark with the gun a little time to move on). After the sun rose about 10 shell casings were actually found within a few feet of the line break (about 30 residences actually had service interrupted). And It's usually so quiet around here. My neighbor says that a policeman told him that local entrepreneurs will sometimes use fire guns into the air to signal potential customers that they are open for business. Secure communications...who knows? It is _sort_ of digital... >James< 71332.747(a)compuserve.com

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For folks interested in ViaCrypt Use
by Syl Miniter 803-768-3759 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"71332.747(a)CompuServe.COM" "James Hicks" 18-DEC-1993 11:04:13.14 To: IN%"miniters(a)citadel.edu" "Syl Miniter" CC: Subj: ViaCrypt Syl, I saw your question on the Cypherpunks mail list. Recently Dave Barnhart, the ViaCrypt product manager (for Lemcon Systems) became active on Compuserve's Electronic Frontier Forum. The following is a statement he left in the forums message section. He appears more than willing (even eager) to answer questions about ViaCrypt and can be contacted at the addresses given in his message. James |>----------------------------------------------------------------------<| |PGP 2.x Key ID: F9A281 Fingerprint <F2A1A42B 67408691 5A6A2F0F C1104457>| |>----------------------------------------------------------------------<| *========================================================================* From: Dave Barnhart (ViaCrypt), 70275,1360 70275.1360(a)compuserve.com Date: Thu, Dec 2, 1993, 8:45:16 PM [PST] ViaCrypt is a division of a 17-year old company named Lemcom Systems. Lemcom Systems has traditionally produced IBM mainframe communication controllers and other network products. About 1989, we began producing a network product that used DES (That's about the only kind of encryption that IBM will admit exists). About 2 years ago, the ViaCrypt division was formed to develop products incorporating public key cryptography for the PC, UNIX, and workstation market. About 1 year ago, ViaCrypt sub-licensed the RSA patents from Public Key Partners (PKP). Late last summer (1993), we were introduced to Phil Zimmermann, author pf PGP. Phil expressed an interest in finding a way to commercially market PGP. Together with our law firm, one of the coutry's formost experts on intellectual property rights, we examined the terms of our PKP sub-license to determine if ViaCrypt could market a commercial version of PGP, and if so, under what conditions. At the same time, we also investigated obtaining a sub-license for the IDEA cipher from Ascom Tech AG in Switzerland. The opinion was that we could market PGP provided: 1) we substituted ViaCrypt-written RSA code for the existing RSA code in PGP. 2) we did not supply source code. So in late September we signed an agreement with Phil Zimmermann to market the commercial version of PGP, which we chose to call ViaCrypt PGP. Except for the RSA routines, a couple of bug-fixes provided by Phil, and a change in the "welcome banner", the code in ViaCrypt PGP is identical to that found in PGP 2.3a. This means that it is interoperable with PGP 2.3a. Except for the aforementioned changes, we made no other changes or additions to the PGP 2.3a source to produce ViaCrypt PGP 2.4 for MS-DOS. Why would you buy ViaCrypt PGP instead of using the 'freeware' PGP? First, many small businesses and large corporations have expressed a great deal of interest in using PGP, but have not done so because of the legal exposure from RSA. ViaCrypt PGP removes this problem. As for the individual, Dr Hugh Miller said it best on USENET, but I won't quote him here without his permission. Essentially, it's your chance to "stand up and be counted" on the subject of how you want your encryption. It's the best chance we may have to say: 1. "We don't like the rigid, hierarchical trust model in PEM", and: 2. "We don't want any system incorporating key escrow (a la clipper)" ViaCrypt PGP version 2.4 for MS-DOS is available from: ViaCrypt 2104 W. Peoria Ave Phoenix, AZ 85029 Phone (602) 944-0773 FAX (602) 943-2601 Internet: wk01965(a)worldlink.com Compuserve: 70304,41 Price: $99.98 (single user) $299.98 (five users) $824.98 (20 users) Plus $8.00 S & H, (and if you live in a small number of states, I can't remember which ones, they make us collect sales tax.) We intend to have ViaCrypt PGP available for just about every platform on the planet. We should be announcing the availability of ViaCrypt PGP for several UNIX platforms shortly. I hope to have MAC and Windows versions available some time in the second quarter of 1994. And I know it doesn't make for a great story, but at the CSI Computer Security Conference in Anaheim a month ago, Phil Zimmermann was in our booth (we asked him to come). Jim Bidzos was at the same conference, making a presentation. There were no bloody brawls in the hallway, no shouting matches, I don't think the two even encountered each other. The rest of the folks at the RSA booth stopped by, and were actually quite cordial. ho hum. I apologize for the length of this message, but I hope it answers everyone's questions. If not, ask away, or feel free to contact me at ViaCrypt. (If you call ViaCrypt with questions, I'm the one you'll probably talk to, by the way.) Best Regards, David Barnhart ViaCrypt Product Manager Return-path: <71332.747(a)CompuServe.COM> Received: from dub-img-1.compuserve.com by citadel.edu (PMDF V4.2-11 #4957) id <01H6MFHZXKKG9AOW3X(a)citadel.edu>; Sat, 18 Dec 1993 11:04:14 EST Received: from localhost by dub-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.4/5.930129sam) id LAA11648; Sat, 18 Dec 1993 11:04:58 -0500 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 11:01:43 -0500 (EST) From: James Hicks <71332.747(a)CompuServe.COM> Subject: ViaCrypt To: Syl Miniter <miniters(a)citadel.edu> Message-id: <931218160143_71332.747_DHQ64-1(a)CompuServe.COM> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

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Stego Help Requested...
by Jim choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi everyone, As some of you are aware I have been looking at stego, in particular trying to calculate the maximum feasible message to insert in a given image. I have determined some techniques that help predict this ratio. In the process of testing them I got side-tracked into converting images to other format (RGB > HSV in this case). Since these are linear but not equaly scaled there is some range alteration in the conversion process. It appears that if a RGB image is holding a image it converts to HSV differently and is thus easy to test for. I am in need of some additional data and basiclly clueless where to find it. The data falls into one of the following ways: > source of images in both HSV and RGB format > pd or shareware software that will convert mathematicaly > access to a video color registration set to generate the above database Any help in locating any one of these would be greatly appreciated. Have a Merry Christmas! Ravage Black Leather Monster

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Re: Bobby Inman
by jerry＠terminus.dell.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In article <2erq3c$n4h(a)uudell.us.dell.com> you write: >From owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Fri Dec 17 08:19:53 1993 >Return-Path: <tcmay(a)netcom.com> > id XAA27037; Thu, 16 Dec 1993 23:58:14 -0800 >From: tcmay(a)netcom.com (Timothy C. May) >Message-Id: <199312170758.XAA27037(a)mail.netcom.com> >Subject: Re: Bobby Inman >Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >> There was some mentions that he spend some time in the private sector >> since "then". Anybody knows what he was doing? >> >> Pierre Uszynski >He was head of MCC in Austin for several years and then his own >company, a kind of high-tech holding company (Westmark was the name, I >think). >--Tim May If my memory serves me correctly Inman's Westmark was involved in the buying and selling of Tracor a few year back. Although I'm not sure on that one. Also of note he was(is?) on the board of directors for a Austin based PC company. I don't know what role he played or if he was just on the board for the money. I think it will be interesting to see his opinions on things like, the "fall" of communism, the "crapper" chip, ITAR, etc... I would not like to be on this guy's bad side... If anyone finds out when the confirmation hearings are going to be, it would be nice to know in time to setup the VCR... Good or bad this guy could radically alter the face of crypto policy in the US, much quicker than congress, or most anyone else could act. -- | Jeremy Porter ----------------- Dell Computer Corp. ---- | Systems Engineering --- jerry(a)terminus.us.dell.com -------- |------------------------------------------------------------- | Support your Second Amendment rights to encryption technology.

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Internet Security Scanner
by Jeremy Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anybody where there is an FTP'able copy of the aforementioned program? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Tried archie, but no hits for 'iss' 'internetsecurityscanner' or combinations thereof. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeremy Smith -*jersmit(a)eis.calstate.edu*- My views are my own and nobody else can have them! -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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My Party NOT!
by Harry Shapiro 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, A member of this list (Edgar Swank) recently posted a message to this list providing details of a private party I am holding. That message should not have been forwarded here. The party in question is, as I mention above, private and is not open to the public nor the membership of the Cypherpunks list. (This is most due to the VERY limited size of the "party room.") I am posting this message for anyone who felt that message was an open invitation to join my party and to indicate that was not the case. The party guest list is limited to members of the Extropians list who have RSVPed, others will not be admitted. /hawk -- Harry S. Hawk habs(a)extropy.org Electronic Communications Officer, Extropy Institute Inc. The Extropians Mailing List, Since 1991 EXTROPY -- A measure of intelligence, information, energy, vitality, experience, diversity, opportunity, and growth. EXTROPIANISM -- The philosophy that seeks to increase extropy.

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No Subject
by President＠whitehouse.gov 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I Love encryption. I Love PGP. I Love PseudoSpoofing. Please send me lots of mail about my Health Care Plan. And always remember... Free Willy! --Slick

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No Subject
by ferguson＠icm1.icp.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ahem. > Return-Path: <President(a)whitehouse.gov> > Received: from [144.92.136.35] by toad.com id AA13485; > Sun, 19 Dec 93 14:16:03 PST > > I Love encryption. I Love PGP. I Love PseudoSpoofing. > Please send me lots of mail about my Health Care Plan. > > And always remember... > > Free Willy! > > --Slick MACC (NET-UWMSN-NET) University of Wisconsin - Madison 1210 West Dayton Street Madison, WI 53706 Netname: UWMSN-NET Netnumber: 144.92.0.0 Coordinator: Dorl, Michael (MD40) dorl(a)MACC.WISC.EDU (608) 262-0466 Domain System inverse mapping provided by: DOGIE.MACC.WISC.EDU 128.104.30.17 TELGATE.ADP.WISC.EDU 144.92.104.20 Record last updated on 16-Dec-93. Nice try, Willy.

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Detweiler: still paranoid
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Newsgroups: talk.politics.crypto,alt.privacy,alt.privacy.anon-server,news.admin.policy,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.admin.policy,alt.conspiracy From: ld231782(a)turner.lance.colostate.edu (L. Detweiler) Subject: Re: CRYPTOANARCHIST INFILTRATION ALERT Sender: news(a)yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Message-ID: <Dec19.075042.7988(a)yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1993 07:50:42 GMT References: <PMETZGER.93Dec6212145(a)snark.lehman.com> <1993Dec7.235821.25954(a)oracle.us.oracle.com> <pgf.755746191(a)srl03.cacs.usl.edu> <1993Dec17.001757.1814(a)oracle.us.oracle.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: turner.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 021193BETA PL3] Followup-To: talk.politics.crypto,alt.privacy,alt.privacy.anon-server,news.admin.policy,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.admin.policy,alt.conspiracy I seem to have missed much of this thread. My news server seems to have scrolled off all the interesting articles. I was hoping more cryptoanarchists would show up to call me insane. Quite a pity. David Criswell (dcriswel(a)oracle.uucp) wrote: : There's only one in the phone book. Cupertino's not all that : big, and Szabo's a fairly uncommon name. If I were, umm, you : know, in Mr. Detweiler's mental state, this might lead me to : conclude that somebody was lifting "pseudos" from Bay Area : phonebooks, and the one in the directory does not post. I : don't really care about it enough to call him. Mr. Criswell, could you describe the difficulty of getting fake names into a phone book? is this trivial or impossible? This is not to in any way imply that N.Szabo is such an occurence. I don't know why everyone on the internet gives every single email address they meet the benefit of the doubt. They all should get the detriment of the suspicion. But what do I know? I am just a paranoid lunatic who is progressing quite nicely on Prozac and intense psychoanalysis, thank you very much. Imagine that someone has made an art, science, and religion to pseudospoof. Why would they do it? because there is immense power behind such a technique. And minor barriers like phone numbers and phone books would be the first mediums they corrupt. People trust phone numbers -- they believe that if you can supply a phone number, you are are not a pseudonym. What is the basis for this belief? The foundation? Nothing but naive trust that is easily betrayed by those who have build their lives around deceptions. Don't care? well, don't blame me when tomorrow you find out that the cryptoanarchists own the largest share of the world mafia, and have succeeded in doing so by coordinating it over the Internet. Even better yet, let you be tortured by them all your life without ever discovering the true source of your wretched desperation. -- ld231782(a)longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU

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data point re. Inman
by an58933＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have (sort of ) worked for Inman twice. He is currently serving as a director for the company which employs me. Recently, the company has launched a campaign to coerce employees to sign agreements relinquishing their rights to sue the company and its officers if the employees are willfully injured, sexually harrassed, etc. I have been told that this was done at the request of the board; certainly I would expect board review on something like this. I don't know what position Adm. Inman took, but this still reveals a bit about the corporate culture he contributes to. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help(a)anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin(a)anon.penet.fi.

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Crypto security
by charliemerritt＠BIX.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Return-path: President(a)whitehouse.gov > Received: from delphi.com by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.45) id > <9312191740.memo.19248(a)BIX.com>; Sun, 19 Dec 1993 17:40:07 -0500 (EST) > Received: from relay2.UU.NET by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id > <01H6O7JJ9BJK94H43Q(a)delphi.com>; Sun, 19 Dec 1993 17:37:58 EDT > Received: from toad.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP > (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA10179; Sun, 19 Dec 93 17:37:09 -0500 > Received: by toad.com id AA13572; Sun, 19 Dec 93 14:19:04 PST > Received: by toad.com id AA13552; Sun, 19 Dec 93 14:17:31 PST > Received: from [144.92.136.35] by toad.com id AA13485; Sun, > 19 Dec 93 14:16:03 PST > From: President(a)whitehouse.gov > Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1993 14:13:02 -0800 (PST) > To: charliemerritt(a)bix.com > Message-id: <9312192216.AA13485(a)toad.com> > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > X-Envelope-to: bix.com!charliemerritt > Apparently-To: Cypherpunks > > I Love encryption. I Love PGP. I Love PseudoSpoofing. > Please send me lots of mail about my Health Care Plan. > > And always remember... > > Free Willy! > > --Slick Dear Slick, as you can see from (enclosed copy of your) message, electronic communications are NOT secure without free enterprise encryption and signatures. I hope Bobby Inmann doesnt put too much presure on you to go with some stupid idea like Clipper. Lets not let America be an embarrased second rate country when it comes to electronic security. FREE CRYPTO! -- Charlie Merritt

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MTGS: 1/8/94 Party only for Extropians
by edgar＠spectrx.saigon.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Harry (Hawk) Shapiro asked me to mention: I appreciate your concern about the conflict but it is not an open party as my room can only hold a couple doz. people at best... I would appreciated it if you noted to the cypherpunks that it is a party for the Extropians mailing list only. /hawk -- edgar(a)spectrx.saigon.com (Edgar W. Swank) SPECTROX SYSTEMS +1.408.252.1005 Cupertino, Ca

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A little ditty about PGP (I especially like the part about prayin' Phil"ain't dead"!)
by ssteele＠eff.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This message was from LESLIE FISH to STEVEN ROSS, originally in conference Filk and was forwarded to y'all by BRUCE FEIST. Note: Despite the copyright, the author permits distribution of her work with proper acknowledgement. ------------------------- Hi, glad you liked my stuff. Just for the yell of it, here's my latest atrocity, based on a hackers' in-joke (would you believe, my very first computer filk?). P.G.P. words: L. Fish (c)12/18/93 tune: ditto The G-men all are cryin' And tearin' out their hair, 'Cause there's a new cryptography That's shown up everywhere. Nobody can break it, However good they be. Everybody's PC got the PGP. It guarantees who's callin' And just who gets the call. If you ain't got your code-word, You can't get in at all. Oh, there ain't nothin' like it To keep your privacy. Half the world's computers got the PGP. There's not a way to crack it, Not in a hundred years. All the spooks & wiretappers Are cryin' in their beers. They can't spy on E-mail Here or oversea When every home computer's got the PGP. Bless the man who made it, And pray that he ain't dead. He could've made a million If he'd sold it to the feds, But he was hot for freedom; He gave it out for free. Now every common citizen's got PGP. So go say what you want to, Of love or war or hate, Kinky sex, or dirty words, Or overthrow the state. Nobody can stop you. Speech is really free When everybody's PC got the PGP. Whee! Enjoy! ...And if anybody out there knows how to adapt PGP for the Atari 130XE, please get me a floppy. Thanx. ___ Maximus/2 2.01wb * Origin: ORAC/2 Home of Log/2 (Log for OS/2) (602) 277-1334 (1:114/12) ****************************************************************************** Can we talk in private? Not if our new Secretary of Defense has his way!!! "Society has recognized over time that certain kinds of scientific inquiry can endanger society as a whole and has applied either directly, or through scientific/ethical constraints, restrictions on the kind and amount of research that can be done in those areas." --Adm. Bobby R. Inman in a February, 1982 article for _Aviation Week and Space Technology_ on why cryptographic research should be limited to government scientists. Full text of this article is available for anonymous ftp from ftp.eff.org as pub/EFF/Policy/Crypto/inman.article. If you want to help fight government limitations on your right to privacy, join the Electronic Frontier Foundation! For more info, write to ask(a)eff.org.

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Geez, you think a 'punk would be a *little* more careful...
by Alan (Miburi-san) Wexelblat 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I didn't even have to move off my machine to know where this forgery entered the stream... Received: by media.mit.edu (5.57/DA1.0.4.amt) id AA27520; Sun, 19 Dec 93 17:42:40 -0500 Received: from toad.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA10523; Sun, 19 Dec 93 17:40:43 -0500 Received: by toad.com id AA13572; Sun, 19 Dec 93 14:19:04 PST Received: by toad.com id AA13552; Sun, 19 Dec 93 14:17:31 PST Return-Path: <President(a)whitehouse.gov> Received: from [144.92.136.35] by toad.com id AA13485; Sun, 19 Dec 93 14:16:03 PST Date: Sun, 19 Dec 93 14:13:02 PST From: President(a)whitehouse.gov Message-Id: <9312192216.AA13485(a)toad.com> Apparently-To: Cypherpunks I Love encryption. I Love PGP. I Love PseudoSpoofing. Please send me lots of mail about my Health Care Plan. And always remember... Free Willy! --Slick

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sources of math routines...
by Alan (Miburi-san) Wexelblat 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To: hackers(a)media.mit.edu Subject: when you are bored... Date: Mon, 20 Dec 93 10:40:04 -0500 From: halazar(a)media.mit.edu Ever looked at the sources to libm.a? Sun just released the sources to Solaris 2.3 libm.a, supposedly a new and high quality version. However, it looks a little more like cypher than math. -----------------------End Forwarded Message Any opinions from this list? --Alan Wexelblat, Reality Hacker, Author, and Cyberspace Bard Media Lab - Advanced Human Interface Group wex(a)media.mit.edu Voice: 617-258-9168 Page: 617-945-1842 an53607(a)anon.penet.fi The belief that enhanced understanding will necessarily stir a nation to action is one of mankind's oldest illusions.

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Bobby Inman's Zoe Baird problem
by jkreznar＠ininx.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Freedom lovers rejoice! An instance of the ``Zoe Baird problem'' may accomplish what we could only dream: the derailment of the Inman nomination. John E. Kreznar | Relations among people to be by jkreznar(a)ininx.com | mutual consent, or not at all. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLRYKGsDhz44ugybJAQGOLgP/bPCxZu/dgszlCPyyp6Es409pg5GbySZ2 3nqEKSLi8IlBaTkb5zftK4oyoT6S6xlZzg1c5eD6aozE6JT9qpFkDmjk5qJghdzg 0/wSvgEzjmPorvlPA/EAhwn0UXBfZ+DhcW70XQ8EcoW4c1tWARlzZbKkuLDh8mQl SWeRh08TMhc= =IBjs -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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EFF Quote of the Week #2, 12/20/93, Inman on Crypto
by Stanton McCandlish 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Society has recognized over time that certain kinds of scientific inquiry can endanger society as a whole and has applied either directly, or through scientific/ethical constraints, restrictions on the kind and amount of research that can be done in those areas." -- Adm. Bobby R. Inman (then CIA Dep. Dir.) in a February, 1982 article for _Aviation_Week_and_Space_Technology_ on why cryptographic research should be limited to government scientists. Full text of this article is available for anonymous ftp from ftp.eff.org as pub/EFF/Policy/Crypto/inman.article. The Electronic Frontier Foundation believes that individuals have the right to protect their private communications by any method they choose - without government interference. For more information about the Electronic Frontier Foundation, send mail to info(a)eff.org. -- Stanton McCandlish * mech(a)eff.org * Electronic Frontier Found. OnlineActivist F O R M O R E I N F O, E - M A I L T O: I N F O @ E F F . O R G O P E N P L A T F O R M O N L I N E R I G H T S V I R T U A L C U L T U R E C R Y P T O

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Re: Bobby Inman's Zoe Baird problem
by Jonathan Corbet 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Freedom lovers rejoice! An instance of the ``Zoe Baird problem'' may > accomplish what we could only dream: the derailment of the Inman > nomination. Well, if Inman goes down I suppose I will do some rejoicing. However, this is also kind of depressing. Something as important as a Cabinet nomination can be wiped out by something that is really irrelevant (have you ever looked into just how *hard* it is to employ a nanny on the books?); while we all acknowledge that our really serious concerns will have no effect. Anybody who is concerned about freedom in this country should ought to be pretty scared when decisions this important are made in this way. Not that this example is anything particularly new... Jonathan Corbet National Center for Atmospheric Research, Atmospheric Technology Division corbet(a)stout.atd.ucar.edu

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EFF Quote of the Week (#2)
by ferguson＠icm1.icp.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

forwarded message content: "Society has recognized over time that certain kinds of scientific inquiry can endanger society as a whole and has applied either directly, or through scientific/ethical constraints, restrictions on the kind and amount of research that can be done in those areas." -- Adm. Bobby R. Inman (then CIA Dep. Dir.) in a February, 1982 article for _Aviation_Week_and_Space_Technology_ on why cryptographic research should be limited to government scientists. Full text of this article is available for anonymous ftp from ftp.eff.org as pub/EFF/Policy/Crypto/inman.article. The Electronic Frontier Foundation believes that individuals have the right to protect their private communications by any method they choose - without government interference. For more information about the Electronic Frontier Foundation, send mail to info(a)eff.org. -- Stanton McCandlish * mech(a)eff.org * Electronic Frontier Found. OnlineActivist F O R M O R E I N F O, E - M A I L T O: I N F O @ E F F . O R G O P E N P L A T F O R M O N L I N E R I G H T S V I R T U A L C U L T U R E C R Y P T O ________ end fwd ____________

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Questions..
by ub075＠freenet.victoria.bc.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

First off, anyone notice how quiet it is in here without LD? There used to be 30-40 messages a day, now I only see about 15 (Or so.. no KF) Second, what size should a remailer key be? Is there really any need for military grade encryption on a remailer that might have 3 or 4 nested messages, each encrypted? Thanx. -- Ryan Perkins - 1:340/13 | I feel that suicide jumpers see a glimpse of ub075(a)freenet.victoria.bc.ca | sanity as they throw themselves from the ledge. Ask for PGP 2.3 public key | That's why they scream all the way down. 8C5357 : 9F FF BA 93 54 D5 18 78 4B 1E DA GC E3 4E

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Remailer Keys, etc.
by Mike Ingle 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"ub075(a)freenet.victoria.bc.ca" wrote: >First off, anyone notice how quiet it is in here without LD? >There used to be 30-40 messages a day, now I only see about 15 >(Or so.. no KF) Nice, isn't it. And the S/N ratio has been much higher. >Second, what size should a remailer key be? Is there really any >need for military grade encryption on a remailer that might have >3 or 4 nested messages, each encrypted? Depends on how fast the system running the remailer is. Key length has little effect on encryption time, but a major effect on decryption time. So if the machine is fast, use a 1024 bit key. If the machine is slow or heavily loaded, and there is nothing going through it that might interest a spook, use a 512 bit key. -- Mike (encrypt your hard drive, ask me how)

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