December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Fwd: FC: Gun groups take aim at new FBI database
by Albert P. Franco, II 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From frissell(a)panix.com: Some of the following statements do not (in my recollection) apply to those in California... > >The following statements are true: > >It is legal to own a car without a driver's license or vehicle registration. In CA only "junk" cars can be unregistered. An unregistered car on private property can be cited under a long list of circumstances. > >It is legal to drive an unregistered car without a driver's license (in >some circumstances). It is never "legal" to drive an unregistered vehicle (or even tow it without a trailer) on CA roads. The judge may let you off if you have "a real good reason". But the cops can and in most cases will cite you! > >No permission is required to purchase a car and felons, the mentally ill, >children, aliens and those guilty of misdemeanor domestic violence offenses >can buy cars and most of the above can drive cars on public streets and roads. I do believe that there are some legal restrictions for children purchasing cars... > >You are not required to report the purchase of a car to anyone. Since every car in CA MUST be registered, every change of ownership must be reported. If you do not you are subject to a fine. They give you ten days to report the transfer of ownership. > >It is legal to drive a car on public streets and roads in the US with a >license from any jurisdiction on earth. Only for a limited period of time in CA... > >It is legal to drive a car on public streets and roads in the US that is >registered in other states or nations. Not if the owner is a resident of CA, and again only for a limited period of time. > >It is legal to drive a car on public streets and roads in the US that is >owned by and registered to any person or legal entity. > >Legal entities can own and register cars and permit anyone they like to >drive them. > But they assume all the liability and even possible criminal consequences for letting unlicensed persons drive the car. >Note that if we regulated guns like driving, the above would mean that you >could buy and use a gun on your own property without licensing, >registration or reporting. NOT in CA... > >DCF >

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Fwd: FC: Gun groups take aim at new FBI database (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 11:01:25 +0100 > From: "Albert P. Franco, II" <apf2(a)apf2.com> > Subject: Re: Fwd: FC: Gun groups take aim at new FBI database > Some of the following statements do not (in my recollection) apply to those > in California... > > > >The following statements are true: > > > >It is legal to own a car without a driver's license or vehicle registration. > > In CA only "junk" cars can be unregistered. An unregistered car on private > property can be cited under a long list of circumstances. Only if they can see it. Otherwise they'd need to execute a warrant to even find it. Park it in a garage or a niche in the backyard, problem solved. > >No permission is required to purchase a car and felons, the mentally ill, > >children, aliens and those guilty of misdemeanor domestic violence offenses > >can buy cars and most of the above can drive cars on public streets and > roads. > > I do believe that there are some legal restrictions for children purchasing > cars... There are legal restrictions on children buying anything. Technicaly the sale isn't final without a guardians signature as co-signatory of the bill of sale. > >You are not required to report the purchase of a car to anyone. > > Since every car in CA MUST be registered, every change of ownership must be > reported. If you do not you are subject to a fine. They give you ten days > to report the transfer of ownership. In most states the time limit and further instructions are on the vehicle license. If you buy it via a loan then other terms may apply. > >It is legal to drive a car on public streets and roads in the US with a > >license from any jurisdiction on earth. > > Only for a limited period of time in CA... Unless it's an international license that is recognized by the US this isn't true. Simply having a drivers license from England, for example, won't allow you to drive a vehicle in any of the states anymore than your CA license will let you drive legaly there. > >It is legal to drive a car on public streets and roads in the US that is > >registered in other states or nations. > > Not if the owner is a resident of CA, and again only for a limited period > of time. Actualy as long as the owner isn't a resident (not the driver) and doesn't stay in whatever state over some period set by the legislature then it is permissible. In a lot of states it is between 30-90 days. I'd bet the limit in CA is the residence time limit. I rather doubt that anyone staying in CA 11 days automaticaly becomes a resident with a right to vote in state elections and such. > >It is legal to drive a car on public streets and roads in the US that is > >owned by and registered to any person or legal entity. > > > >Legal entities can own and register cars and permit anyone they like to > >drive them. > > > > But they assume all the liability and even possible criminal consequences > for letting unlicensed persons drive the car. It depends on the insurance limitations. My Bronco II is technicly uninsured, and therefore illegal to drive, unless I am the driver. In some cases even if the driver is licensed the owner still assumes liability. At least here in Texas irrespective of who is driving the vehicle, the owner is ultimately responsible for the vehicle. So if you loan it to cousin Bippy and he has a wreck and runs away guess who gets to go to court on leaving-the-scene charges. Now if you roll on Bippy the situation may change. > >Note that if we regulated guns like driving, the above would mean that you > >could buy and use a gun on your own property without licensing, > >registration or reporting. > > NOT in CA... Move to Texas. You can still drive your unregistred, uninspected vehicle on your own property at your own speed and have wrecks at your convenience (within the constraints of your deed restrictions of course). Way too many bubba's still live in Texas for this sort of stuff to go over at all. ____________________________________________________________________ Technology cannot make us other than what we are. James P. Hogan The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: open-pgp / s/mime interoperability
by pgut001＠cs.auckland.ac.nz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> writes: >Peter Gutmann writes: >>>open-pgp public keys aren't based on X.509 keys, so I would've thought >>>s/mime implementation would barf on them. >> >>Actually S/MIME *could* support the use of PGP keys, but there's a field >>(the SubjectKeyIdentifier) missing from the CMS SignerInfo which prevents >>this. >Surely this in itself should be a compelling argument for inclusion of the >SubjectKeyIdentifier? I'm trying to get this adopted for CMS, the underlying data format for S/MIME. The silly thing about this is that alternative key identifiers (like PGP keys) were going to be included in RSADSI's PKCS7v2, but aren't included in the IETF version of the same thing. The result is that you have a private company going out of its way to accomodate open standards, and the IETF going out of its way to lock them out. Weird. >If it allows conversion of PGP keys into S/MIME X.509 keys. You don't need this conversion, with key identifiers you can use both SPKI and PGP keys directly within S/MIME. There's no need to convert them into an X.509-like format first. Peter.

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No Subject
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:24:01 +0800 (CST) >From: Bernardo B. Terrado <bbt(a)mudspring.uplb.edu.ph> >To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com, coderpunks(a)toad.com >Subject: MERRY CHRISTMAS! guys! Fuck Christmas, Bernardo "Go Fuck Yourself" Terrado. You and those bastards in the black helicopters can suck my Christmas cock. >sorry if you're angry with this Why the fuck would I be angry? Go fuck yourself, Bernardo. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >"If a student is particular about his studies, especially while he is too >young to know which are useful and which are not, we shall say he is no >lover of learning or of wisdom; just as, if he were dainty about his food, >we should say he was not hungry or fond of eating, but had a poor >appetite. " ---- PLATO Wasn't Plato that cocksucker who didn't pay his taxes to THE MAN? >By the way, it's Bernie not Bernardo. >`````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Oh FUCK! My apologies, Bernardo. If I had known you preferred "Bernie", then I would have told you to go fuck your mother instead of yourself. Warmest fucking regards to you and yer moms, -- PureFuck -- finger HillarysAsshole(a)whitehouse.gov for a good time

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Fwd: FC: Emergency Powers and National Emergencies
by Albert P. Franco, II 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Declan points out some scary stuff here but no president (even Clinton) would be stupid enough to do something so outrageous. They would have to know that it would spark a long running a especially bloody revolution. Why risk it when they can just keep approaching totalitarianism incrementally with such activities as the FuckingDICks "Know Your Customer" activities. It's much quieter and infinitely less likely to result in a revolution. APF >> >>"The President has the power to seize property, organize and control the >>means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, call >>reserve forces amounting to 2 1/2 million men to duty, institute martial >>law, seize and control all menas of transportation, regulate all private >>enterprise, restrict travel, and in a plethora of particular ways, control >>the lives of all Americans... >> >>"Most [of these laws] remain a a potential source of virtually unlimited >>power for a President should he choose to activate them. It is possible >>that some future President could exercise this vast authority in an attempt >>to place the United States under authoritarian rule. >> >>"While the danger of a dictatorship arising through legal means may seem >>remote to us today, recent history records Hitler seizing control through >>the use of the emergency powers provisions contained in the laws of the >>Weimar Republic." >> >> --Joint Statement, Sens. Frank Church (D-ID) and Charles McMathias (R-MD) >> September 30, 1973 >> >> >>I came across this and the Senate special committee's 1973 report on >>Emergency Powers Statutes in Time Magazine's library. Powerful stuff. >> >>-Declan >> >>

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Re: I Got Mine
by Albert P. Franco, II 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Now there's a really intelligent response to the MIB! I think Blanc would have done a better self-service to have responded that way. MAKE THEM GET A WARRANT! It's your ONLY legal defense against a fishing expedition! It's our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to require a warrant before letting them in! We are NOT criminals just because we do not allow the MIBs to make ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL searches of our properties! If they can't convince a judge AND obtain a specifically worded search warrant then they are obviously fishing! Tell to go find a real deep lake... I also give the writer an A+ for the Clintonian and Reagonesque touches! APF > >Hello, I'm Special Agent Murfrock of the IRS and this is Special >Agent Prenfrew. We'd like to speak with you about C. J. Parker, >maybe known to you as "Toto" or "TruthMonger..." > >Sorry, I don't recognize any of those. Isn't Toto the dog? > >The dog? > >Yes, Dorothy's dog in... (stops when he notices that the agents are >scribbling furiously in their notebooks) > >May we come in? > >No, I was just about to go to sleep. I'm not well. > >Sorry to hear that. We have an e-mail here that you sent to Toto, >and another he sent back to you... > >May I see those? (takes the printouts) > >Sorry, doesn't ring a bell. > >Well, if you look at those headers, the ones circled in red, you >will see that... > >You must be kidding! There are more people forging e-mail headers >than live in St. Louis! Everybody knows that. > >Would you mind if we just come in for a moment? > >Yes, I would. I told you, I am going to sleep. > >Would you mind if we look at your computer? > >Why would you want to do that? > >Well if you didn't send or receive these messages, you have >nothing to worry about. > >I don't see any reason to do that. > >We can get a warrant, very quickly, as a matter of fact. If you >cooperate, things will go better for you. > >I love to cooperate. I want to cooperate. I am cooperating to the >fullest extent I believe is required of me. Ask me something that >makes sense and I'll answer it. We have learned sooo much from our wonderful President Clinton, haven't we?! > >Have you ever heard of a group called the Cypherpunks? > >It rings a bell. > >Are you a member? > >No. > >How do you explain the fact that we found your e-mail address on >a Cypherpunks membership list in a computer we seized? > >I have no idea. I don't join organizations. > >Are you a member of the Majordomo organization? > >No. The only majordomo I've ever heard of is a mail list manager. > >Where have you seen this Majordomo? > >Oh, everywhere. I think it's worldwide in scope. > >(scribble scribble) > >It's some kind of utility program. Everybody uses it. > >(scribbling stops) >What can you tell us about it? > >Nothing, really. If you want to get on a mail list you send a >"subscribe" message to a majordomo. If you want to get off, I >think you send an "unscrive" message. > >Have you ever done that? > >Maybe. I don't recall. Anyone can submit your e-mail address >to lists, so you don't even have to subscribe to be on an >e-mail list. And there's so much spam these days that I don't >recognize half the stuff I get. > >Spam? (the agents look at each other) > >Junk e-mail. I delete most of my e-mail without even reading it. >Sometimes my email program crashes and it all gets deleted before >I can look at it. > >(scribble scribble) >How many lists have you joined? > >I don't remember. I never paid any attention to those things, >and since I banged my head three months ago, I haven't been >remembering a lot of things. > >(scribble scribble) >So, are you denying being a member of the Cypherpunks? > >I don't know what that means. > >Have you ever subscribed to the Cypherpunks e-mail list? > >I have no idea. > >You have no idea? You don't remember? > >I don't know what I've subscribed to, unsubscribed from, >what I get, don't get. E-mail is a complete mess and I >ignore most of it. I'm really not very good at those >things. > >May we look? > >No. > >Are you going to make us get a warrant? > >Get what you like. My disk crashed last week and I threw it away. >Lost everything. In fact I just formatted my new disk and the >only data on it is manuscripts for the columns I write. > >Columns? > >I write for a magazine and a couple of newspapers. > >(oh shit) >(scribble scribble) >Oh yeah? Which ones? > >I don't think that's appropriate. > >Well, we'll be back. Here's my card in case you think of anything >you'd like to tell us. > >Sure. > >One more thing. Have you ever been invited to join something >called The Circle of Eunuchs, e-u-n-u-c-h-s? > >I don't recall ever hearing of anything like that. > >Do you know who Tim May is? > >Nope. Sounds like a real common name, though. > >How about Blanc? > >Is that French? > >Never mind. Thanks. We'll be seeing you. > >(I don't _think_ so) > >----- > >AmnesiaMonger >

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is anyone aware of any critical evaluations performed on the security of the Network Associates (a.k.a. McAfee) PGP for Personal Privacy? Traditionally, PGP source code has always been available for evaluation by the Net community, but this isn't the case with the newer commercial versions. Additionally, and this is a bit paranoid, but PGP in the past has come with digitally signed files to authenticate the integrity of the files. Once again, commercial versions offer no such guarantee that the software hasn't been tampered with between the factory and the store shelves. Comments?

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Re: "Export" controls
by Michael Motyka 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Their architecture has real $$ value because it cracks 99% of > "encrypted" traffic. > What type of attack was used in the famous test? Known plaintext? It gets a bit tougher in the real world doesn't it? > Offering the real stuff for sale in US requires some investment. > Really? > We are not talking here about free stuff. We are talking about > products that can be deployed by non-programmers, businesses etc., > that will be supported professionally > Every product I ever worked on started off as a big ugly prototype sprawled across a table top hooked to all sorts of life support systems. And not all products are taken to market by those who did the initial design work. License. For something like we're discussing here I think the *big* cash outlay comes post-prototype with mask, fab, plastics, production lines and marketing. Upfront it's mostly neurons. I expect it would be easier to convince a manufacturer to participate with a working prototype than it would with only an idea. > Hardware is overkill for the single voice line. PGPfone works fine > there. ^^^^^^^^ > No it is not. 500k gates may be too much but I maintain that you simply cannot trust the Wintel HW, Windows or anything you cannot analyze in detail and freeze. Besides, people like little palm-sized gadgets. > How much would you pay for transparent hardware/software solution that > encrypts all traffic between peer users > We all know the magic price points. But is that particular product all that interesting? Even if peer traffic is encrypted the system can be infected and can transmit anything ( disk, RAM eg ) to other adresses. I'm afraid I don't know enough about the networking stuff to feel that a system can be secured while it is on-line. Now an embedded system for secure e-mail that used a PC as a gateway might be kind of cool. You drop encrypted attachments onto a driver that sends them to the unit where you read them. Anything you enter and encrypt at the unit is presented as a file at the host to be attached and sent. USB would be plenty quick for that sort of stuff. You might say that it should be done on the host as SW or on another PC but we're back to the Wintel HW again. No thanks. I wonder what could be done with a palm pilot. Are full schematics and BIOS and driver code available? You *might* throw out everything but and build it there. You'd want to do some EMI testing. I still like my SCSI/IDE gizmo for off-line PC's. > The main problem with hard crypto is that it is so equalizing. Any > pauper can cheaply encrypt and make it hard for any government to > break. > Yes, and it needs to be priced accordingly. Although corporations do tend to spend nicely at times. The key, as with any business, identify your customers and make a product for them. Not easy, I admit. > This is not the case with guns, where more resources almost linearly > buy more power. > Gun talk is amusing. I agree that what is going on with gun law is disturbing but as far as disagreement with the Reptilians is concerned power is political. As soon as it becomes violent you've lost. Except in the event of a full-blown revolution. Then we all lose. > On the wild side, suppose that all crypto restrictions are terminated. > Some would say that now "they" can break all available stuff. In any > case the value of crypto products in the eyes of buyers would fall. If > it is legal it is no good. Most of the research would lose the best > people. > Don't you think that this sort of a poker bluff would be a little too much even for the boldest thinkers in gov't? The stuff they fear most would be commoditized and I think, in spite of your point, far more of it would exist than does now. Marketeers would reduce it to bullet items on packages but many engineers would deliver reasonable products within the cost constraints. > Cypherpunks would cease to exist. > Is that why CP exist? Because cryptography has some legal gray areas? I don't think so. Enough This is a painfully slow conversation.

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Suggested Reading
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Declarations of Independance: Cross-examining American ideology Howard Zinn ISBN 0-06-092108-0 $14.00 US ____________________________________________________________________ Technology cannot make us other than what we are. James P. Hogan The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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No Subject
by Xena - Warrior Princess 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

U.S. claims success in curbing encryption trade WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Clinton administration officials Thursday said they had persuaded other leading countries to impose strict new export controls on computer data-scrambling products under the guise of arms control. At a meeting Thursday in Vienna, the 33 nations that have signed the Wassenaar Arrangement limiting arms exports -- including Japan, Germany and Britain -- agreed to impose controls on the most powerful data-scrambling technologies, including for the first time mass-market software, U.S. special envoy for cryptography David Aaron told Reuters. The United States, which restricts exports of a wide range of data-scrambling products and software -- also known as encryption -- has long sought without success to persuade other countries to impose similar restrictions. ``We think this is very important in terms of bringing a level playing field for our exporters,'' Aaron said. Leading U.S. high-technology companies, including Microsoft Corp. and Intel Corp., have complained that the lack of restrictions in other countries hampered their ability to compete abroad. The industry has sought to have U.S. restrictions relaxed or repealed, but has not asked for tighter controls in other countries. Privacy advocates have also staunchly opposed U.S. export controls on encryption, arguing that data-scrambling technologies provided a crucial means of protecting privacy in the digital age. ``It's ironic, but the U.S. government is leading the charge internationally to restrict personal privacy and individual liberty around the world,'' said Alan Davidson, staff counsel at the Center for Democracy and Technology, a Washington-based advocacy group. Special envoy Aaron said the Wassenaar countries agreed to continue export controls on powerful encryption products in general but decided to end an exemption for widely available software containing such capabilities. ``They plugged a loophole,'' Aaron said. The new policy also reduced reporting and paperwork requirements and specifically excluded from export controls products that used encryption to protect intellectual property -- such as movies or recordings sent over the Internet -- from illegal copying, Aaron said. Encryption uses mathematical formulas to scramble information and render it unreadable without a password or software ``key.'' One important measure of the strength of the encryption is the length of the software key, measured in bits, the ones and zeros that make up the smallest unit of computer data. With the increasing speed and falling prices of computers, data encrypted with a key 40 bits long that was considered highly secure several years ago can now be cracked in a few hours. Cutting-edge electronic commerce and communications programs typically use 128-bit or longer keys. Under Thursday's agreement, Wassenaar countries would restrict exports of general encryption products using more than 56-bit keys and mass-market products with keys more than 64 bits long, Aaron said. Each country must now draft its own rules to implement the agreement.

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Twofish/AES News
by Bruce Schneier 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There are some new papers on the Twofish webpage. We have improved our performance numbers. On Pentium-class machines, key setup is faster. We also have large-RAM implementations, that speed key setup at the expense of 256K of RAM. We aso have a variety of performance options on smart cards, trading RAM off for speed. And finally, we have a new hardware implementation that reduces the total gate count. Details are in Twofish Technical Report #3: http://www.counterpane.com/twofish-speed.html Dave Barton has implemented Twofish in Delphi: http://www.hertreg.ac.uk/ss/d_crypto.html And finally, we have compared the performance of all AES submissions on 32-bit processors, smart cards, and hardware. Our results are in. http://www.counterpane.com/AES-performance.html As always, thanks for your support. Bruce ********************************************************************** Bruce Schneier, President, Counterpane Systems Phone: 612-823-1098 101 E Minnehaha Parkway, Minneapolis, MN 55419 Fax: 612-823-1590 Free crypto newsletter. See: http://www.counterpane.com

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17 Dec '03

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Mixmaster client 4 the Mac OS?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I heard sometime last summer that the mixmaster client was being ported to the Mac. Does anyone know the status of this project?

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by info＠chemweb.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Apology for mixup in press release mailing list
by Teemu Hukkanen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Due to an unsuspected flaw, our mailing lists were slightly misconfigured which allowed replies to the original press release email to be forwarded to all recipients in the list. -- postmaster(a)datafellows.com

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Re: I Got Mine
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Now there's a really intelligent response to the MIB! I think Blanc would >have done a better self-service to have responded that way. > >MAKE THEM GET A WARRANT! It's your ONLY legal defense against a fishing >expedition! It's our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to require a warrant before >letting them in! We are NOT criminals just because we do not allow the MIBs >to make ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL searches of our properties! > >If they can't convince a judge AND obtain a specifically worded search >warrant then they are obviously fishing! Tell to go find a real deep lake... > >I also give the writer an A+ for the Clintonian and Reagonesque touches! > >APF The MIB have a convenient way around this. If you let them in voluntarily, they're nice. If you make them get a warrant, they come back, guns drawn. They barge in and tear the place up for hours. Maybe they'll hack down some of the walls to search for drugs. In the end, you have something which is a cross between a pile of papers, a bunch of dust, electronic parts, wiring, torn up books, destroyed furniture, and a pile of crumbled drywall to call home. Heil Klintonkov! Heil Reno! Heil Freeh! StatistMonger

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Re: I Got Mine
by Albert P. Franco, II 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>The MIB have a convenient way around this. If you let them in voluntarily, >they're nice. If you make them get a warrant, they come back, guns drawn. >They barge in and tear the place up for hours. Maybe they'll hack down some >of the walls to search for drugs. In the end, you have something which is a >cross between a pile of papers, a bunch of dust, electronic parts, wiring, >torn up books, destroyed furniture, and a pile of crumbled drywall to call >home. > >Heil Klintonkov! Heil Reno! Heil Freeh! > >StatistMonger > Unfortunately, this is true. That's why I loved the response given by Anon! It accomplished all the right things without giving them cause for coming back!! VERY, VERY GOOD! APF

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ChemWeb.com
by Davina Heaven 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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ChemWeb password
by info＠chemweb.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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The Beeb speaks like a cypherpunk once removed...
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- There's some discussion on the BBC about that Chinese businessman who's now in the klink for "conspiring against the state using the internet" :-). The Beeb has an internet correspondent, and he's, right now, talking about strong crypto, anonymous remailers, and quoting Gilmore's censorship is damage line. All without using the words "strong cryptography", or "anonymous remailers", or "John Gilmore". :-). He was talking about how the Chinese website was hacked within hours and painted over with pro democracy stuff and links to Amnesty International, among other things. All of this was in a favorable, horse is out of the barn, this is good for freedom, light. Cheers, Robert Hettinga -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.5 iQEVAwUBNmfw9cUCGwxmWcHhAQEDEwf9H9xqZ2LU935VawA9ZwpzFPF2CKrl1xam jzGJX2uTOhiYGtkQhZ2hFY7/ISoNGXvinwHACycXVi5AdxR6//2tzr1szjk4bgB5 NvKW+1gJJWP5bD0Kz3JwYui3t2fAetjSg94HCxcWbSQM4NJVP6IBXyg48ZtGmkVE UqvhwYc41NHVDgZt/ist5EQEAWcWh3/qApEbeS8xG7SP4FZeCeogCidVmQuMWC1u sAQbrd5fdFdTcUs0feuk9zBpEklTe3AljfnDbfSEUpyok29L+9R3cqAyh/5GM0yd 3uVQTmqOSMLK0o+L9tuejgkaTGnI7Co2NXaYbh/jPKGzm/OAYr7/fQ== =FU5E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Wassenaar Statement
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Secretariat of The Wassenaar Arrangement has issued brief public docs on the recent meeting: http://jya.com/wa-state98.htm Only one brief mention of encryption: "8. The WA agreed control list amendments to take into account recent technological developments. The amendments to the lists included elimination of coverage of commonly available civil telecommunications equipment as well as the modernisation of encryption controls to keep pace with developing technology and electronic commerce, while also being mindful of security interests. Participating States also discussed the potential need for the WA and national export control authorities to respond quickly and effectively to the emergence of new technologies." Which appears to confirm that each state will implement and announce its encryption policy as it sees fit. The US has jumped to proclaim to its constituencies that it has won. Though it's the secret agreements that remain to be publicized. Note the gaps in the public docs and dissimulative assurances. We also offer a recent related message from Denmark on its fluid crypto policy: http://jya.com/dk-crypto98.htm

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