December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Meriweather v. Gates
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Reply-To: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > > It's an ironic indication of where we are that Bill Gates is being hounded > by the Justice Department, Sun Microsystems, Netscape, Novell, and Ralph > Nader while no one is hounding John Meriwether. In fact, the Federal > Reserve System, nominally nongovernmental (wink wink) just helped to bail > out his firm, Long-Term Capital Management. > > Gates, you see, has a non-leveraged investment of $50 billion in Microsoft. > No borrowing, no margin debt, just plain old-fashioned ownership. And a monopoly that doesn't need a bailout. > Meriwether, on the other hand, started in 1991 and took in money from > speculators. He took the $2.2 billion and borrowed with it, hitting the > $125 B in borrowed assets point. Then he and his rocket scientists > essentially borrowed still more, using this $125 B to leverage $1.25 T. (T > for "trillion.") > > Not bad, going from $2.2 B to $1.25 T, a mere 500-fold increase. Sheer unmitigated greed on the part of the banks, not knowing or forcing Meriwether to tell them. Over leveraging is what caused the Great Depression via the stock market collapse. ---guy Gosh, thank goodness they are loosening the bank/brokerage rules...not.

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Horde this Book: the first Y2K action novel
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:01:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: politech(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: Horde this Book: the first Y2K action novel http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/0,2326,201980929-14649,00.html TIME Digital's Netly News September 29, 1998 Horde This Book By Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) Book Review America's computers crashed on January 1, 2000. Cars won't start, planes won't fly, and the military is in shambles. Soldiers of unknown origin have seized control of a key high-tech company. China is about to invade. The one man who can save Western civilization from a Digital Dark Age is Y2K fixmeister Mark Solvang. Mark's problem? Well, it happens to be his company those troops took over. What comes next is a predictable romp through gun battles, hacking, and government intrigue that's sure to satisfy Chuck Norris fans but leave anyone else hoping for more. [...remainder snipped...]

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Re: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:33:38 -0400 > From: Adam Shostack <adam(a)homeport.org> > Subject: Re: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > What did I say about not paying for people's work? I'm perfectly > happy to pay for code, and I prefer to buy open source code; it tends > to be higher quality. I don't want to have to accept your opinion on > how I should release code along with the code. Jesus Christ on a stick. Take a fucking chill pill Adam. That 'you' is the literary you, not you personaly. You (not the literary you) should seriously consider counseling. Talk about hair-triggered. If anybody is guilty of demanding people do it 'their way' it's you. You really need to better understand this inability of yours to seperate your self-worth as an individual from the ideas you espouse and supposedly put out for public dialog. Everybody has stupid idea, if you can't admit that then there's a problem more serious than having stupid ideas. Everybody makes mistakes everyday, and if you seriously think you don't then you have found your first mistake today. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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One Nation launch - the day the media snapped
by Scott Balson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear One Nation supporter, Please take time to view this report with images of the One Nation launch yesterday. <A href="http://www.gwb.com.au/gwb/news/onenation/federal/launch/">http://www.gwb.com.au/gwb/news/onenation/federal/launch/ GWB Scott Balson

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:30 AM 9/29/98 -0400, John Young wrote: >Now that the terrified US Army has axed its Web sites, and >NSA and several other mil sites seem inaccessible and >"temporarily unavailable" this morning, could this portend >a dual-use of the Internet, a closed one for porkbarrell mil and >secret gov sweethearts and a sappy infotainment one for civilians >to gameboy infofoolery? Well, for some months now they've password protected some of the more delicate stuff (e.g., "lessons learned", some of the field manuals). And they have been rejecting non .mil addresses too. Certainly we can expect them to eventually get a clue and think about what's out there. Mostly they have. (Of course it was within the last year that a .mil was exporting PGP!) The army's over-reaction is quaint but essentially reasonable --the W3 pages are just PR, and they're real edgy these days after they tried to scalp Osama with a tomohawk. [digression: I wonder when Osama will have his own web page with matching funds for the head of the Great Satan, and whether there would be a shootout on the net, e.g., the DNS records being changed, a phone call to their ISP] As far as the NSA's online personnel records, I bet they're still worried about the CIA shootout down the street a few years back. There's still plenty of names, phones, email addresses in the .gov domain, with building locations, etc. But Jim Bell is locked up so they're not so uptight. >That would be a tri-power-gov implementation of dual-use >terror-scare to hide perkbellied privileges of natsec obsession. They keep trying different passwords to the constitution. Its a dictionary attack: "pedophile", "droogs", "terrorist", "WMD", etc. --Ceci n'est-ce pas un Toto

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:21 AM 9/29/98 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > >It's called milnet and it's been in existance ever since about '83. It >occured when ARPA became DARPA. I was working on a DoD project at UT Austin >at the time. Look up SIPRNET

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Re: (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:07:45 -0500 > From: Leif Ericksen <leif(a)imho.net> > Subject: Re: > > At 08:21 AM 9/29/98 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > > > > > >It's called milnet and it's been in existance ever since about '83. It > > 1983???? Are you 100% sure about that I am almost 100% sure that it was > alone longer than that. I can not be quoted on it but I am sure that it > was in existence before that... OH I beg your pardon, 1983 is what the > government will really admit to even if there are documents that show it > may be older than that.... Might have been 82, find out when ARPA became DARPA and *only* worked on defense related material. The distinction was one of administration and not physical changes to anything other than some nameservers and routers. When the change happened it meant that ARPA could no longer participate as an equal with the NFS so they split the funding and administrative servers. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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GoLive CyberStudio 30-day Activation Key
by sales＠golive.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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GoLive CyberStudio 30-day Activation Key
by sales＠golive.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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GoLive CyberStudio Personal Edition
by sales＠golive.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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GoLive CyberStudio 30-day Activation Key
by sales＠golive.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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No Subject
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Excerpt from the Canadian Firearms Digest, V2 #612 ================ begin forwarded opinion =============== Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:40:01 -0600 From: someone(a)somewhere.net Subject: RCMP now have .50 cal. BMG's I have just learned from a highly reliable confidential source that in addition to the .50 cal McMillian sniper rifles and the untalked about Barrett Light .50's, the RCMP have now added to their arsenal a number of .50 cal. Browning Machine Guns. Staff from the RCMP are headed to Belgium to be trained in the armoring of these military heavy machine guns. Machine guns may at some point be used against the Canadian public, possibly to quell a native disturbance or other civil unrest. If we were attacked by outside forces the military would be the pressed into service, as this is not the role of the RCMP. This leads one to ask what use the RCMP, who are a police force not an army in occupation, would have for such heavy armament ...... or is it possible that I have it wrong, possibly they are now an army in occupation. Is it possible that the RCMP are now the political policing arm of the Government. The lethality of this weapon makes pepper spray look like a Sunday shower. Maybe this is the next weapon demonstrators will be facing at the orders of the PM's office. ================ end forwarded opinion ================ Ciao all. Definition: FASCISM: n.: a political and economic movement, strongly nationalistic, magnifying the rights of the state as opposed to those of the individual, in which industry, though remaining largely under private ownership, and all administrative political units, are controlled by a strong central government. ------------------------------------------------- "One of the ordinary modes by which tyrants accomplish their purpose, without resistance, is by disarming the people and making it an offense to keep arms". - Joseph Story, U.S. Supreme Court Justice. ------------------------------------------------- the German gun control laws were enacted by the "liberal" Weimar Republic government that preceded Hitler, and were a strong aid to his coming to power -- because they disarmed Hitler's opponents, and Hitler's adherents ignored them -- as criminals have always ignored gun control laws. Disarming the public is a frequent first step toward dictatorships and genocides. Once the disarming is complete, the public is helpless against those who have the guns. ------------------------------------------------- PGP keys: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html PGP ID:C58ADD0D:529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 PGP ID:5B51964D:152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C

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GoLive CyberStudio 30-day Activation Key
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate wrote: > The only objection to releasing an API is to > stifle competition, *THAT* is a bad thing. There are a number of other reasons -- principally support and backwards compatibility costs. If you release an API for a commercial application for ISVs, you better make sure it is relatively bug-free and mature. As soon as someone else's code relies on that API, you are stuck with making sure it continues to work as the product evolves. There is nothing wrong with public and private APIs, and we hope that the ad hoc private APIs from some midnight-oil-burning-hack to get the product to ship on time that have useful functionality will eventually be integrated into a mature public API. Modular OOP design means you have lots of interfaces, you don't necessarily want people to be able to dig in-between all the pieces of your program -- often you cannot protect application/data integrity if they do. It's like custom software versus shrink-wrap. I write a lot of custom software, it works for what it needs to do for a specific scenario, if that changes I modify and recompile. There is a *lot* of work -- time, money, *my* cost -- to take that custom application and make it flexible and generic enough to be shrink-wrap and work in all scenarios. And if I don't do it well enough I have a major support/liability problem. Same applies to public vs private APIs. > The idea from a free-market perspective: > Had Microsoft, for example, been required to publish their > API's by the market we wouldn't be spending all this effort You state free-market and then you are *requiring* someone to do something? How do you resolve that contradiction? Require = Force != Free[dom] As far as *commercial* software vendors go, Microsoft is one of the better companies for publishing APIs and creating useful APIs and tools for Rapid Application Development. Do you subscribe to MSDN? Please do before you crucify Microsoft for lack of APIs, if anything they have too many. > Bottem line, if you believe in a free-market (which requires fair > competition to work and prevent monopolies) Pure speculative nonsense contrary to empirical evidence. Market distortions the government creates are far worse than any Wonderland monopoly you can dream up that will exist in a true free market. Matt

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Halifax, Canada PGP key-signing party
by M Taylor 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Nova Scotia Linux Users Group (nsLUG, www.nslug.ns.ca) is considering a PGP key-signing party in October 1998 in the metro Halifax area. If you are interested, please contact me, so I can inform you of the exact date & location. -- M Taylor mctaylor@ / glyphmetrics.ca | privacy.nb.ca

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IP: [FP] National registry to track child support
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: "ScanThisNews" <mcdonalds(a)airnet.net> Subject: IP: [FP] National registry to track child support Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 06:59:33 -0500 To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com ====================================================================== SCAN THIS NEWS 09/28/98 --------------------------------------------------------------- Ya know, they could darn near track anyone with this thing... --------------------------------------------------------------- 09/28/98- Updated 12:15 AM ET The Nation's Homepage National registry to track child support WASHINGTON - Beginning Wednesday, every one of the 16 million parents nationwide who are required to pay child support will be logged into a massive database to help the federal government track down those who fail to pay. [Well that's nice, now they'll be in there with the rest of us sheeple.] The registry will allow authorities to keep tabs on the more than 5 million parents, most of them fathers, who have moved to another state after a divorce, separation or breakup. [Yea, and about 200 million of us who haven't.] Many reneged or fell behind on support payments, says Michael Kharfen, a spokesman for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, which will run the database. "Before, it was very difficult for a state to track down where the parent went, where he was working and how much money he was actually making," Kharfen says. "This database will track them, no matter where in the country they move." [Hey Keefer, there was a reason it was difficult - it was called liberty!] Critics of the registry say it violates the privacy of law-abiding parents. "Because someone gets a divorce doesn't mean their job, their income, should become an open book," fathers' rights attorney D. Gerald Williams says. [Wrong answer: critics are opposed to it because it violates fundamental rights of the "non-delinquent" citizens by forcing them into the same "locating and tracking" system.] Kharfen counters that the system is critical to states, which collect only about 22% of the $50 billion owed in child support every year. By federal estimates, 60% of parents involved in child custody cases renege on their payments. [Keefer - get out of the social payments system altogether. Then, you won't have this huge problem you've created -- "tracking delinquent parents."] Officials estimate that the system will recoup $10 billion in delinquent payments a year. [Probably about 20% of what the system costs to operate, and about 5% of what the "system" spends as a whole.] To track down scofflaws, the government will compare its list of parents with another new database that contains employment records for more than 140 million workers in the United States. That database, which was unveiled in October 1997, lists an employee's identity, address and salary. By cross-referencing lists, "we'll be able to tell the state that's looking for him whether they should start going for his paycheck," Kharfen says. [And it's about time for the citizenry to start going after some Congressmen's paycheck Keefer, then, perhaps, yours to follow!] By Scott Bowles, USA TODAY [With comments by Scott McDonald - today] http://search.usatoday.com/plweb-cgi/fastweb?getdoc+default+news+5734+0+wAAA +registry --------------------------------------------------------------- [thanks to J. Groom for the forward] ======================================================================= Don't believe anything you read on the Net unless: 1) you can confirm it with another source, and/or 2) it is consistent with what you already know to be true. ======================================================================= Reply to: <fingerprint(a)networkusa.org> ======================================================================= To subscribe to the free Scan This News newsletter, send a message to <majordomo(a)efga.org> and type "subscribe scan" in the BODY. Or, to be removed type "unsubscribe scan" in the message BODY. For additional instructions see www.efga.org/about/maillist.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Scan This News" is Sponsored by S.C.A.N. Host of the "FIGHT THE FINGERPRINT!" web page: www.networkusa.org/fingerprint.shtml ======================================================================= ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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IP: Group 'No Privacy for Privacy Hypocrites' Surveys Congress
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: Group 'No Privacy for Privacy Hypocrites' Surveys Congress Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:32:02 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: US Newswire http://www.usnewswire.com/topnews/Current_Releases/0928-131.txt Privacy Group Surveys Congress U.S. Newswire 28 Sep 18:17 Group 'No Privacy for Privacy Hypocrites' Surveys Congress To: National Desk Contact: James Love, 202-387-3080 WASHINGTON, Sept. 28 /U.S. Newswire/ -- No Privacy for Privacy Hypocrites, a citizen's group formed to counteract the assault on privacy by the Kenneth Starr/congressional investigations into President Clinton's sex life, has distributed a survey to Members of Congress regarding their views on privacy. Members of Congress who oppose privacy rights will be asked whether or not they have ever participated in an adulterous affair, and whether or not they have lied about it. The group is concerned that the Kenneth Starr/congressional investigations into the president's sex life are having a negative impact on privacy that will affect ordinary citizens. "This whole sad affair is the product of decades-long disrespect for privacy, for which our political leaders are responsible," said Evan Hendricks, Editor and Publisher of "Privacy Times," and one of the organizers of the group. "This effort is intended to arrest the free fall of privacy rights triggered by the stunning abuses of power by the Starr investigation and the Congressional dissemination of personal information," said James Love. Today, No Privacy for Privacy Hypocrites distributed a survey to Members of Congress asking: 1. (A) Is consensual, non-commercial sexual conduct by adults in private ever a proper subject for government inquiry? (B) Do you believe that any branch of government should investigate allegations that elected officials may have participated in an adulterous affair, including allegations that they may have lied about it? 2. If you answered "yes" to (A) or (B) in question (1): (A) Have you ever participated in an adulterous affair? (B) If yes, have you ever lied about it? 3. Do you think that any public official who has committed adultery and lied about it should resign from public office? Survey responses will be placed on the web at: http://www.noprivacy.org, as soon the surveys are returned. -0- /U.S. Newswire 202-347-2770/ 09/28 18:17 Copyright 1998, U.S. Newswire ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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IP: Fwd: [Spooks] NSA Allegedly Spied on Businesses
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Bridget973(a)aol.com Subject: IP: Fwd: [Spooks] NSA Allegedly Spied on Businesses Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:37:12 EDT To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com Subject: [Spooks] NSA Allegedly Spied on Businesses Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 14:36:35 -0500 From: Bob Margolis <rttyman(a)wwa.com> To: Spooks <spooks(a)qth.net> U.S. Spy Agency Helped U.S. Companies Win Business Overseas-Report September 21, 1998 Nikkei English News: TOKYO (AP)--A U.S. intelligence agency electronically eavesdropped on foreign companies and passed information to U.S. competitors to help them win business overseas, a major Tokyo newspaper reported Saturday. The National Security Agency monitored phone calls, faxes and electronic mail of European and Japanese companies since at least 1990, the Mainichi newspaper said, citing a report Wednesday by the European Parliament, the European Union's legislature. The newspaper quoted the report as saying the NSA, in an operation named "Echelon," used its vast eavesdropping network to listen to business negotiations. The Central Intelligence Agency and British intelligence were also involved, the paper said. The paper said the report was submitted Wednesday to parliament by its research bureau. Some of the findings also appeared in a January report, the paper said. In one case, the NSA monitored talks between French electronics company Thomson-CSF and the Brazilian government over sale of a radar system. An unnamed U.S. company ended up winning the contract, the paper said. The paper also said the NSA listened in on 1990 negotiations between Japan's NEC Corp. and the Indonesian government over the purchase of telecommunications machinery. It used the information to urge Jakarta to award half the contract to AT&T, the paper said. --- Submissions should be sent to spooks(a)qth.net To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe spooks" to majordomo(a)qth.net -- bridget973(a)aol.com Black Helicopters on the Horizon: http://members.xoom.com/bridget973 ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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IP: Fwd: [Spooks] CIA Operative sentenced to five years imprisonment
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Bridget973(a)aol.com Subject: IP: Fwd: [Spooks] CIA Operative sentenced to five years imprisonment Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:03:52 EDT To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com http://www.abcnews.com/wire/US/AP19980925_1626.html AP News Service WASHINGTON (AP) _ A former CIA operative was sentenced to five years in prison today for trying to extort $1 million from the agency in exchange for his silence about government eavesdropping operations. Douglas Fred Groat, 51, pleaded guilty to the extortion charge in July. As part of the plea agreement, federal prosecutors dropped four counts of espionage, including charges that Groat told two foreign governments the CIA had cracked their coded communications. U.S. District Judge Thomas F. Hogan said Groat's actions appeared to stem from his ``almost becoming obsessed'' about a job dispute with the CIA. ``I don't think at any time you really had any intention of trying to harm our national security,'' Hogan said. The judge said he would recommend housing Groat in a minimum-security prison and ordered him to serve three years of supervised release after completing his sentence. Groat, a burly, bearded man, did not speak in the courtroom except to clarify part of his written statement to the court, which was not immediately released. He said that in complaining about the ``harsh conditions of my solitary confinement,'' he did not mean to imply that any federal officials treated him harshly. His lawyer, public defender Robert L. Tucker, said the case was ``a shame'' and that Groat's actions ``everybody would agree had their genesis in a dispute with the CIA about employment.'' Prosecutors said in July a trial in the case could have forced them to disclose sensitive national security information. Groat agreed to help the government sort out whether his activities damaged national security, and he promised to submit any books, articles or interviews to federal officials for security review. Prosecutor Ron Walutes told Hogan the government was ``fully satisfied'' with Groat's cooperation since his guilty plea on July 27. Groat, a former employee of the CIA division that develops eavesdropping plans and code-breaking technology, worked for the CIA from 1980 until he was fired in October 1996. Early in his career, he served as a field operative participating in break-ins of foreign embassies. In a summary agreed to in July by Groat, prosecutors said he sent a series of letters to the CIA in 1996 and 1997 demanding $1 million and saying that in return he would not engage in ``any activities which may hinder present or future intelligence gathering efforts.'' Officials did not identify the two countries Groat had been accused of aiding. Groat was held without bail since he was arrested in April. He will be able to collect his CIA pension when he turns 62. He could have been sentenced to up to 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. Groat had been the third current or former CIA employee arrested on espionage charges in the past four years. However, he was lower-ranking than Alrich Ames and Harold Nicholson, who pleaded guilty and are imprisoned for selling secrets to Moscow. Copyright 1998 AP News Service. All rights reserved --- Submissions should be sent to spooks(a)qth.net To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe spooks" to majordomo(a)qth.net -- bridget973(a)aol.com Black Helicopters on the Horizon: http://members.xoom.com/bridget973 ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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IP: NSA listening practices called European `threat'
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: NSA listening practices called European `threat' Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:43:12 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: Baltimore Sun http://www.sunspot.net/cgi-bin/editorial/story.cgi?storyid=900000194001 NSA listening practices called European `threat' European Parliament report accuses agency of widespread spying By Neal Thompson Sun Staff The National Security Agency has incurred the wrath of some U.S. allies and triggered debate about increased global eavesdropping, thanks to a new report that accuses the agency of spying on European citizens and companies. With the help of a listening post in the moors of northern England, NSA for nearly a decade has been snatching Europe's electronic communications signals, according to a report for the European Parliament. "Within Europe, all e-mail, telephone and fax communications are routinely intercepted by the United States National Security Agency, transferring all target information to Fort Meade," said the report. `Powerful threat' It warned that the NSA's tactics represent a "powerful threat to civil liberties in Europe" at a time when more communication -- and commerce -- is conducted electronically. A preliminary version of the report circulated overseas in recent months, touching off heated debate, with front-page stories in Italy, France, Scotland, England, Belgium and even Russia. The NSA won't discuss the report or even admit that the listening post exists. But this week, two days of debate in the European Parliament continued the extraordinary public disclosure of comprehensive post-Cold War spying by the agency. On Wednesday, the Parliament passed a resolution seeking more accountability from such eavesdropping arrangements and more assurances that they won't be misused. "We want to make sure that somebody's watching them," said Glyn Ford, a British member of the European Parliament, the legislative body for the 15-member European Union. Observers say this was the first time a governmental body has described in detail -- and then criticized -- the NSA's tactics. "The cat's well and true out of the bag," said Simon Davies, director of the London-based watchdog group Privacy International. "I would argue that we have made the grandest step in 50 years toward accountability of such national security transparencies." The report describes a sophisticated program called Echelon, which the NSA established in conjunction with British intelligence agencies. The program includes a listening post in Menwith Hill, in Yorkshire, whose satellite dishes soak up the satellite and microwave transmissions carrying Europe's telephone conversations, faxes and e-mail. Unlike Cold War spying aimed at the military, Echelon is a global electronic surveillance system that targets individuals, businesses, governments and organizations, the report says. The U.S. shares the information with Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand as part of an intelligence-sharing agreement called UKUSA. Each nation has its own set of key words, so it can seek information on specific issues, the report states. Europe is but a fraction of Echelon's target area -- and the Menwith Hill post is one of at least 10 around the world, the report adds. "One reason its a bigger deal over there than it is over here [in the U.S.] is because the SIGINT [signals intelligence] systems are over their heads and not our heads," said Jeffrey Richelson, an analyst with the National Security Archives, a U.S. group seeking to declassify intelligence related documents. Echelon repercussions But the disclosure of Echelon could soon resonate across the Atlantic after the European Parliament action. Furthermore, it could complicate current negotiations between the U.S. and the European Union over encryption programs that scramble or encode computer information, said Parliament member Ford. The U.S. has been lobbying for back-door access to such codes for security reasons. Originally published on Sep 19 1998 ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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IP: Senate Passes Y2K Liability Limitation Bill
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: Senate Passes Y2K Liability Limitation Bill Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:35:10 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: US Newswire http://www.usnewswire.com/topnews/Current_Releases/0929-101.txt Senate Passes Y2K Liability Limitation Bill U.S. Newswire 29 Sep 8:49 Senate Passes Y2K Liability Limitation Bill To: National and State desks Contact: David Carle of the Office of Sen. Patrick Leahy, 202-224-3693 WASHINGTON, Sept. 29 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Following is the statement of Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, on Senate passage Monday night, Sept. 28, 1998, of the Hatch-Leahy-Kyl Substitute to S.2392, which was initially introduced by Sen. Bob Bennett, R-Utah, at the request of the Administration. The bill also includes a new amendment by Sen. Fred Thompson (R-Tenn.). The bill now goes to the House. The bill's purpose is to encourage the full disclosure and exchange of solutions and test results for Year 2000 computer problems, by providing limited liability protection, for a limited time, for specific kinds of Year 2000 information that is considered essential to remediation efforts, but not for faulty products or services. It promotes company-to-company information sharing, without limiting the rights of consumers. The bill also includes a Leahy provision chartering a national Y2K Website for consumers, small businesses and local governments. "Four-hundred and fifty-eight days from now, millions of computers controlling our air traffic, recording credit card sales, running electric and phone systems, tracking bank deposits and monitoring hospital patients may crash in befuddlement. "No bill can magically solve the Y2K problem, but this bill greatly increases the chances that people will come forward more readily with solutions. "This bill also includes a provision I have offered that will help consumers, small businesses and local governments by chartering a national information clearinghouse and Website as a starting point to provide rapid and accurate information about solving Y2K problems. "Knowledge is power in exterminating the millennium bug, and it makes perfect sense to amplify and encourage the use of the Internet itself as an information resource in grappling with this problem." -0- /U.S. Newswire 202-347-2770/ 09/29 08:49 Copyright 1998, U.S. Newswire ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 00:21:19 -0400 (EDT) > From: Vlad Stesin <rmiles(a)Generation.NET> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > > > > Solaris, HP, BSD, NT, etc. *wish* they were as stable and popular as Linux. > > > > Which BSD are you talking about? From my personal and professional > experience, OpenBSD, NetBSD and FreeBSD proved to be just as stable (and > OpenBSD even more stable and reliable) than Linux. All three of them are > Take a look at http://www.openbsd.org/crypto.html for more info. > > I hope you meant BSD/OS when you mentioned BSD :-) Well I've used all three version. In particular after I got my current Sun 4/380 from the local CACTUS Unix user group I tried several variaties of BSD on it and none of them have stayed up as long, had as many applications available for them, or been easier to debug than Linux SPARC (and that is behind x86 by a couple of generations - though that should change in the immediate future). I also tried it on my Amiga 2000 when there wasn't a working version of Linux for it. I've got like 5 different disk sets I've tried over the last 3 years, thanks I'll stick with Linux SPARC. I've even got an *old* version of BSD before they went with their current license scheme that I used when I worked at Compu-Add from '91 through '92 in their POS support department because one of our food chain customers liked the way the box arched....:) I have yet to see any BSD installation with a total uptime greater than 8-10 weeks whereas I've seen my *old* 1.1.59 Linux version (still running on einstein.ssz.com at this very moment) stay up for over 6 months between reboots (and even then it wasn't a requirement, the clock keeps wondering off and by 6 months it's nearly 12 hours ahead). I have no desire to get into a OS war, I currently use like 6 different os'es at home - to each their own. But to assuage your curiosity I prefer AmigaDOS and/or Plan 9 with Logo for programming (now if I could only find a decent Logo compiler), though Amoeba is starting to look pretty interesting. I'd use BeOS a lot more if I thought for one second there was a real future for it, even though I do try each release. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate wrote: > This is bogus reasoning. If the API is released there is > *more* motivation for the original distributor to keep > backward compatibility and bug-free. Duh, I never said otherwise. More motivation and more cost. Sometimes (more often than not) it takes a couple drafts and re-writes before things are the way they ought to be. APIs will often progress from private to public as an evolution from immaturity to maturity, disorganization to organization, ad hoc hack to flexible functionality, custom purpose to generic usefulness. You evidently completely missed that point. > You want quality code that is bullet-proof then release the > API and let the fittest survive. Which is fine unless you are liable to support the inferior. > If you release the API you'll find those midnight hacks > go away, *not* increase as you seem to be claiming. Midnight hacks will never go away. But again, you missed my point. I stated many APIs start out as midnight hacks. > Solaris, HP, BSD, NT, etc. *wish* they were as stable and > popular as Linux. Let's not start OS wars. Each to their own, OSs are tools not religions. > Free-market *requires* fair competition By whose misguided definition? Free market required freedom (freedom requires absence of coercive force), nothing else. Freedom is about actions (motion), not static states (past/present/future), and so is Competition. Id est, competition includes potential competition, a free capital market guarantees potential competition, only force [regulation] can hinder that. > it means there are no outside regulations applied. > It says *nothing* about internal regulation applied > by either the producer or the consumer. "Regulation" generally = political power (= force). Whether than is externally applied or internally applied under the threat of external force makes no difference. When the politicos talk about wanting deregulation and industry self-regulation, what they really mean is they want industry to bow to their whim under threat of their arbitrary power. Such actions then avoid the scrutiny and protections theoretically provided by the political/legal system. The only legitimate force is economic -- the decision to purchase or not to purchase, or to purchase a competing or alternative product. Economic force is not a regulator of the free market, it is its heart and soul, the essence of the free market. Economic force requires absence of political force to truly work properly. > If you are seriously saying that the only workable market > scheme is to let people cheat and steal from others > (which is what poorly written and unreliable code does) How so? You have a choice to consume or not to consume, there is no act of coercive force, I cannot steal from you without it. Cheat I may, a fool and his money are easily parted. Civil liability and reputation naturally regulate such things, no govt. regulation necessary. [And you say, but wait, civil liability requires govt. regulation -- it does now but it need not, free market legal systems can provide such with reputation instead of guns as its basis] > Malarky. Microsoft has so many hidden, undocumented, > incomplete API's it isn't even funny. Did I say they did not? I've worked at Microsoft, I not only know that but I know why (and it's no conspiracy, chaos is more like it). They also have good many published APIs, and at the application layer they are way ahead of most other vendors. At the OS layer I think open source will win out, so you are preaching to the choir. Open source will prevail if it makes economic (business) sense, all other reasons are corollary. Regulation will destroy the free market that could make open source viable. "There is a fantasy that open source and capitalism are incompatible," Allman said. That misconception was at the center of the decision to drop the "freeware" moniker in favor of "open source." As Allman and others explained, open source is a model for doing business, for making money. (source: http://www.upside.com/texis/mvm/story?id=3564b5500) Matt

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