December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Software Money
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/editorial/0,1012,1722,00.html The Netly News (http://netlynews.com/) February 2, 1998 Software Money by Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) Successful political campaigns follow a simple formula: 1) Spend heaps of money; 2) Puzzle out how to squeeze your message into one sentence, or, better yet, a bumper sticker. Silicon Valley finally got the first part right. Software chieftains, historically eager to squander cash on doomed marketing campaigns but loath to spend the same opposing government regulations, are about to ante up millions to detangle the skein of rules that restrict sales of data-scrambling encryption software. Sure, it's pocket change to California's zillionaires, but it may be just enough to get their deregulatory point across in the nation's capital. [...] Together the duo will coordinate the lobbying and media efforts of a new industry coalition, as yet unnamed but likely to be dubbed something like the Alliance for Computer Privacy. The soon-to-be-announced project (contracts haven't been signed yet) grew out of the Alliance for a Secure Tomorrow, which firms hurriedly created last fall to battle FBI-backed legislation banning software such as PGP, which is capable of encoding messages so securely that police can't crack them. But the AST languished. Soon CEOs of more than a dozen high-tech companies started talking about a more aggressive approach. "The only time you're going to win this battle is when you put money on the table," says Lauren Hall of the Software Publishers Association. [...]

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Re: FW: SEC Rule Announcement
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Fri Feb 6 14:41:14 1998 > > Peter is quite right that the interesting part is HOME computers. It's the > Electronic Messaging Association, BTW. My article with comments from them, > SEC, NASD, ACLU, etc. is at: > > http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1731,00.html > > The SEC may have approved a rule that violates federal law. > > -Declan It was quite unnecessary: all a company has to do is require all company business email contact go through the company's systems, even if home. Furthermore, brokers send email during the work day - like the list of AXEs they have for that day - and send it in the morning. Home email directly to clients is basically non-existent. ---- Stange, how monitoring home email to third parties would be illegal, but Deutsche Bank showing up at a random time to demand (and watch) you give a urine sample is completely legal. ---guy

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STOA Report Bibliography
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We've transcribed the 26-page bibliography of STOA's "An Appraisal of the Technologies of Political Control:" http://jya.com/stoa-bib.htm (85K) Zipped version: http://jya.com/stoa-bib.zip (32K) The substantiating details of the cited literature -- study after study of the consequences of inhumane policy and savage commerce eager to oblige it -- are grimmer than the main report. A steady drumbeat for ever more ingenious technology to enforce submission.

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Krauts Weaken Constitutional Privacy
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

BONN, Germany (AP) -- Germany reduced constitutional guarantees of privacy Friday to fight organized crime, ceding historical concerns over past dictatorships to present-day realities. By a one-vote margin, parliament's upper house approved changes to the constitution necessary for eventual passage of a law allowing electronic surveillance in private households. Before approving the measure, however, the opposition Social Democrats won a promise that a parliamentary committee would re-examine the proposed law to include protection for some groups -- including journalists, doctors and some lawyers. The proposed law has raised warnings about reviving the police state tactics of the Nazi regime and former communist East Germany. Mostly, though, critics are worried about breaching confidentiality essential to some professions, such as doctors. Outside of government, journalists and doctors have been the most vocal critics of the draft law, which currently shields conversations between suspects and clergy, parliamentarians, and defense lawyers. Journalists view the proposed law as an attack on press freedom. ``It's not about privilege for journalists,'' the chairman of the German Journalist Association, Hermann Meyn, wrote in an open letter to parliament. ``It's about protection of news room secrets, essential press freedoms.'' The vote Friday weakened the constitutional guarantee of the sanctity of ones home by defining situations when police could bug homes: during investigation of serious crimes -- such as murder, kidnapping, extortion, arms and drug trafficking -- with the approval of three judges. The changes necessary for the law also would allow electronic eavesdropping on suspects after a crime has been committed -- not just to prevent crime -- and for the first time allows information from bugging devices to be entered as evidence. Organized crime has risen sharply in Europe since the collapse of communist regimes in Russia and Eastern Europe, which loosened previously closed borders. Drug trafficking, car theft and smuggling of cigarettes, illegal immigrants and even nuclear material has increased. The law must be passed by both houses of parliament. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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The schizophrenic White House and the Internet
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:01:05 -0800 (PST) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: politech(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: The schizophrenic White House and the Internet Carl makes a good point. When it comes to the Internet, the Clinton-Gore administration is schizophrenic. Ira Magaziner and other White House officials say their attitude towards the Internet is "hands off" and "deregulatory" -- a line that certainly makes for good copy from journalists who don't know any better and don't take the time to learn more. But in truth White House policy is far from hands off. Here are a few areas where the Clinton-Gore administration is calling for greater regulation, subsidies, taxes, and government control of the Internet and related technology: -- Criminal copyright (share software, go to jail) -- Encryption regulations (export ctrls and proposed domestic rules) -- CALEA / Digital Telephony wiretapping funding -- Gore Commission talking about extending FCC rules to Net -- Universal service (taxes and spending for Net access) -- Rating systems (Clinton: "every Internet site" should self-label) -- Net-taxation (has Clinton enorsed Cox-Wyden?) -- Rapacious government databases (DoD recently demanded more access) -- Subsidies for government-approved technologies -- FTC considering banning spam (what about technical solutions?) -- FTC actions on "children's privacy" -- Clinton calling for V-Chip for Internet These are hardly the actions of a deregulatory administration. -Declan ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 15:33:44 -0500 From: Carl Ellison <cme(a)cybercash.com> To: declan(a)well.com Subject: Re: FC: Magaziner says "No regulation!" at Cato-Brookings event -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Of course, this means gov't hands off crypto policy, too, right? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.3 iQCVAwUBNNtzpxN3Wx8QwqUtAQFYHwP/XpBnkplWMZpc0bIfbNhEnlhzmUsXyMXa rjfgnJGW8jX31fkbXZqcILcURPA31HfHu0K8y/FmmcoD5rcz9my3J785EL5903iS gwm2zvF2uKMdIqACF7BP2pb1bmJvJYWWqXQP7SNjkQpbzFz0XGF4LHAFhbPf24Tw e7694fdXoc4= =vK41 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Carl M. Ellison cme(a)cybercash.com http://www.clark.net/pub/cme | |CyberCash, Inc. http://www.cybercash.com/ | |207 Grindall Street PGP 08FF BA05 599B 49D2 23C6 6FFD 36BA D342 | |Baltimore MD 21230-4103 T:(410) 727-4288 F:(410)727-4293 | +------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Fingerprinting in CA [was Whoa: British SmartCard rollout]
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From bill.stewart(a)pobox.com Fri Feb 6 18:50:28 1998 > > >> How did you CA cypherpunks feel about being fingerprinted? > > Well, if I'd been thinking about it, I'd have put some rubber cement and > whiteout on my thumb before getting the license :-) > More the issue at the time was that the politicians were > busy deciding that your ability to drive safely obviously depended > on whether your citizenship papers were in order (the month > I got it they'd temporarily stopped doing that.) But it is being rolled out all over, state-by-state, never a vote. They don't have problems with illegal aliens in Georgia, USA. A mercifully brief CM excerpt: * Dr. Linda Thompson: * YOUR STATE IS NEXT AND DON'T THINK OTHERWISE. Sandia and other defense * contractors, without a war elsewhere, are OUT OF WORK, so they're * creating job security for themselves by helping fascists wage war in the * United States on us and our rights!! * * Georgia, Texas and Oregon ALREADY require fingerprints for licenses. > California is already fingerprinting drivers, and many places outside of > the US are creating identity cards with barcoded information. > > Also, AmSouth and Compass Banks will soon introduce fingerprinting of > people who cash checks and have no account with their bank. This is > now standard practice in Texas and will soon be nation-wide. Oregon? It's like Wired magazine reported: the NSA is behind it all. The DMV records are online 24 hours for FBI access. > I recently renewed the license, and they didn't ask for papers > or thumbprints... They already got your number. When will some group express organized opposition to this? ---guy Your fingerprint tattoo.

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Fwd: e-commerce and rights management list
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This showed up on a bunch of lists, not including cypherpunks or cryptography; Phil Agre added some interesting commentary and sent it to the Red Rock Eater list so I'm forwarding that version. >From: Phil Agre <pagre(a)weber.ucsd.edu> >To: rre(a)weber.ucsd.edu >Subject: e-commerce and rights management >X-URL: http://communication.ucsd.edu/pagre/rre.html >X-Mailing-List: <rre(a)weber.ucsd.edu> archive/latest/1815 > >[When Judie sent me the announcement for her new mailing list on practical >aspects of deploying rights management and e-commerce technologies, I >was incredulous that such a list doesn't already exist. She persuaded me >by means of the following catalog of related lists, which may be of some >interest. I assume that you can track down subscription info with the >standard search tools. encryption/certificates: ieft-pkix, ieft-open-pgp, >ieft-ldapext, cert-talk, spki, kerberos, dcsb, alice; digital signatures: >temple, california, georgia, texas; copyright: cni-copyright, ecup; legal: >cyberia, law-ipr, euro-lex; rights: cyber-rights, web-rights; e-commerce: >e-commerc, ica, e-payments; digital libraries: liblicensing, diglib, ifla.] > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >This message was forwarded through the Red Rock Eater News Service (RRE). >Send any replies to the original author, listed in the From: field below. >You are welcome to send the message along to others but please do not use >the "redirect" command. For information on RRE, including instructions >for (un)subscribing, send an empty message to rre-help(a)weber.ucsd.edu >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:36:26 -0500 (EST) >From: Judie Mulholland <judiemul(a)kc-inc.net> >Subject: announcing E-CARM, a new mailing list (fwd) > >[...] > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Announcing the creation of a new mailing list: > > ***E-COMMERCE AND RIGHTS MANAGEMENT (E-CARM)*** > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >This mailing list has been established to foster and support an on-line >discussion forum where we can: > > * debate (non) technical, administrative and managerial issues > pertaining to: secure transactions, competing rights management > models (e.g. ECMS, PICS, certificates, FIRM, etc.), evolving > standards, supporting technologies and other approaches for > enabling electronic commerce; > * inform each other about upcoming conferences, workshops, etc. > * point to online papers, resources/links, new apps, web > sites, etc. > * identify the critical factors relevant to design, development > and implementation of a rights management infrastructure; > * raise questions, share problems, relate concerns; > * share success/horror stories; > * and much, much more ... > >If you are interested in subscribing to this list, please send a message >to: > ><listproc(a)lists.fsu.edu> > >with the following line in body of the message (NOT the subject): > >subscribe e-carm "FirstName LastName" (without the quotation marks) > >and after you are notified that you have been subbed, we would ask that >you send a short note to the list, briefly introducing yourself and your >interests in e-commerce and rights management so that we can begin to come >together as a community of shared interest(s). > >E-CARM is intended to be a member-driven, open, collaborative mailing >list. However, its success in creating a viable on-line forum will >depend on individual contributions. As a step in this direction, we >encourage you to share this announcement with other mailing lists or >anyone who may be interested in getting involved. > >Looking forward to seeing all of you on E-CARM, > >Judie Mulholland >Rajiv Kaushik > >List Moderators > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Lets check this out
by sphantom 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here is something for us to check out. Was just emailed to me today. I am curious how this person does it. Dear Friends, If someone named SandMan asks you to check out his page on the WEB DO NOT!!! It is at www.geocities.com/vienna/6318 This page hacks into your C:/ drive. DO NOT GO THERE HE WILL REQUEST A CHAT WITH YOU....don't do it. FORWARD THIS TO EVERYONE...

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Most elegant wording against privacy/law-enforcement "balance"
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What are the most elegant rebuttals to politicians saying we need Key Recovery as a "reasonable balance between the needs of law enforcement vs. freedom of crypto"? I wasn't too elegant in the Crypto Manifesto. ---guy

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Global Ethics Cosmosofy
by Kurt Bantelmann 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To: Cypherpunks, editor. We are impressed by your social commitment on the Internet and think you may find that Global Ethics Cosmosofy would even better support your activities and spiritual concerns since universal values have precedence over limited group moral codes in cases of conflict and its peaceful resolution in a cooperating information oriented and interdependent world community. The better arguments can be yours free, to be viewed on the Cosmosofy Institute Foundation website: <http: //www.cosmosofy.org/> But there is more to it: (1) Global Ethics and the overall doctrine tentatively termed COSMOSOFY (similar to 'globalism') will not only assist you in ethics to identify the higher and highest values to which priority consideration must be given in each case, in particular where a psychological or social conflict has to be resolved rationally and peacefully. It also helps to avoid and cure psychic disorders most of which are attributable to dogmatic indoctrination methods during childhood but which tend to remain unconscious, since people usually deny they feel indoctrinated. A severe conflict potential for humanity in the present historical moment is its more or less unconscious subjugation to outdated arbitrary moral precepts and codes imposed and indoctrinated during adolescence (where spiritual maturity is low), thus obstructing later undogmatic moral and ethical updating flexibility and development. However, any change of this unwholesome and dangerous situation is considered a political TABOO for social and cultic stability reasons and social control in the absence of GLOBAL ETHICS and a UNIVERSAL UNDOGMATIC RELIGION, although now possible at this historical junction. Cosmosofy Universal Ethics provides interdisciplinary thinking and action patterns, not of the usual type of non-merging interdisciplinary exchange programs but of the new type to be merged in ones own mind which is now accessible for everybody due to interactive feedback information structures. (2) COSMOSOFY UNIVERSAL ETHICS Subject: Interdisciplinary, linking religion, law, sociology, philosophy, politics, sciences. The so far missing universal ethics is provided by the interdisciplinarian author Bert Tellan, founder of COSMOSOFY and undogmatic religion (Cyber-Religion) as a doctrine designed to constitute the so far missing foundation for the legal and religious system's priority values in a peacefully cooperating and closely communicating global community. So far mankind was dependent only on particularistic morals that were mutually exclusive and could therefore not be validated universally: of importance for peace, conflict resolution competence and qualification, and ecological issues. (3) You will find that Global Ethics Cosmosofy & Undogmatic Religion has been constructed with the aim to solve dogmatic 'religions' (regarded as cults acc. to Kant if used as an end in itself instead of a means)seen as a social PROBLEM (to be solved instead of being merely studied) for a modern global society and world culture in order to avoid continuing antagonism instead of promoting real peace in the sense of absolute pacifism. So far nations, cultures or religious organizations favored peace conditionally under their own moral terms (excepting the need of holy for Islamic or just wars for Christians). This is no longer possible in a world saturated with means of push-button mass destruction. In this historical context dogmatic religious cult is no longer seen as an unending study subject for scientifically detached sociologists or psychologists of religion (just wondering as William James did at the great variety of religions) while making a living from it and get research funds - while, on the other end, no church or other educational institution ever bothered to even make an attempt of funding the 'further development or advancement of religion and of religiousness'. All the while the Advancement of Science is considered a respectable institution: another grave cultural inconsistency we have been indoctrinated not to notice. To the contrary, all through history any 'further development of religious thought' was condemned, persecuted as heretic or apostasy, philosophers or reformers (including Jesus) having been murdered to this day. This is due to a flawed idea of unchanging 'religion' (=false religion) which is to be regarded as a problem and not as an endless subject of study or even of tolerance while cannibalism and illiteracy are also no longer being tolerated, in the very name of an improved, in-depth understanding of dynamic religion. The solution, thus, does not advocate atheism, non-belief or arbitrary values as is wrongly suggested for post-modernism, since, quite to the contrary, the arbitrariness of cultural relativistic values is hereby overcome having the whole of humanity, individual justice and human rights for all in mind, and not for some privileged classes or groups only. And thus to establish true peace for mankind and be prepared for a new era of common cosmic adventure or communication instead of continuous strife with the risk of self-extinction. View the Cosmosofy Institute Foundation Website (featuring around 100 new articles on unresolved modern and prognosticized issues and the consistent application of global ethics to their solution in each case): <http: //www.cosmosofy.org/> Cosmosofy Institute Foundation. Kurt C. Bantelmann, editor. More details on request. Fax:(49)211.489533. E-mail: 106562.2403(a)compuserve.com

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Make $50,000+ through the mail for FREE!
by ASCOM＠hx3em6.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Subject: GET LEGAL CASH IN MAIL W/ ONLY $5.00 READ THIS YOU WON'T BE SORRY, I WASN'T This will be the quickest way to get cash in the mail.If you follow these instructions carefully, you will be able to receive within two months nearly $50,000.00. The great part is is that $5.00 isn't really a whole lot and it could just be worth a try. I am currently 6 months pregnant and my husband and I are in debt. We both have really good professions but he has massive student loans and credit card bills (I was lucky and my father helped me through college). Needless to say, since we are married to one another I acquired his debt also. In any case, I followed these easy steps thinking that I really had nothing to lose and guess what? The first week I started getting money in the mail! I was shocked! I still figured it would end soon. The money just kept coming in. In my first week, I made about $20.00 to $30.00 dollars. By the end of the second week I had made a total of over $1,000.00!!!!!! In the third week I had over $10,000.00 and it's still growing. This is now my fourth week and I have made a total of just over $42,000.00 and it's still coming in ....... You send $1.00 to each of the 5 names and address stated in the article. You then place your own name and address in the bottom of the list at #5, and post the article in at least 200 newsgroups. (There are thousands) and that is all. Let me tell you how this works and most importantly, Why it works....also, make sure you print a copy of this article NOW, so you can get the information off of it as you need it. The process is very simple and consists of 3 easy steps: Like most of us, I was a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! Seriously, your story will sound like this one if you participate by doing the following: STEP 1: Get 5 separate pieces of paper and write your address on each piece of paper along with "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST." Now get 5 $1.00 bills and place ONE inside EACH of the 5 pieces of paper so th e bill will not be seen through the envelope to prevent thievery. Next, place one paper in each of the 5 envelopes and seal them. You should now have 5 sealed envelopes, each with a piece of paper stating the above phrase and a $1.00 bill. What you are doing is creating a service by this. THIS IS PERFECTLY LEGAL! Mail the 5 envelopes to the following addresses: #1 Corey McNear 233 Olive st. West Reading, PA 19611 #2 R. M. 66 Navesink Drive Monmouth Beach, NJ 07750 #3 Sam 27248 Grano Avenue Saugus, CA 91350 #4 Pat anderson 41 pilote st-ambroise Pq #5 Nick Austin 12318 Dollar Lk dr Fenton, MI 48430-9734 STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the other names up (2 becomes 1, 3 becomes 2, etc...) and add YOUR Name as number 5 on the list. STEP 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as close to original as possible. Now, post your amended article to at least 200 newsgroups. (I think there is close to 18,000 groups) All you need is 200, but remember, the more you post, the more money you make! Don't know HOW to post in the newsgroups? Well do exactly the following: FOR NETSCAPE USERS: 1) Click on any newsgroup, like normal. Then click on "To News", which is in the top left corner of the newsgroup page. This will bring up a message box. 2) Fill in the SUBJECT with a flashy title, like the one I used, something to catch the eye!!! 3) Now go to the message part of the box and retype this letter exactly as it is here, with exception of your few changes. (remember to add your name to number 5 and move the rest up) 6 4) When your done typing in the WHOLE letter, click on 'FILE' above the send button. Then, 'SAVE AS..' DO NOT SEND YOUR ARTICLE UNTILL YOU SAVE IT. (so you don't have toype this 200 times :-) 5) Now that you have saved the letter, go ahead and send your first copy! (click the 'SEND' button in the top left corner) 6) This is where you post all 200! OK, go to ANY newsgroup article and click the 'TO NEWS' button again. Type in your flashy subject in the 'SUBJECT BOX', then go to the message and place your cursor here. Now click on 'ATTACHMENT' which is right below the 'SUBJECT BOX'. Click on attach file then find your letter wherever you saved it. Click once on your file then click 'OPEN' then click 'OK'. If you did this right , you should see your filename in the 'ATTACHMENT BOX' and it will be shaded. NOW POST AWAY! FOR INTERNET EXPLORER: It's just as easy, holding down the left mouse button, highlight this entire article, then press the 'CTRL' key and 'C' key at the same time to copy this article. Then print the article for your records to have the names of those you will be sending $1.00 to. Go to the newsgroups and press 'POST AN ARTICLE' type in your flashy subject and click the large window below. Press 'CTRL' and 'V' and the article will appear in the message window. **BE SURE TO MAKE YOUR ADDRESS CHANGES TO THE 5 NAMES.** Now re-highlight the article and re-copy it so you have the changes.... then all you have to do for each newsgroup is 'CTRL' and 'V' and press 'POST'. It's that easy!! THAT'S IT! All you have to do is jump to different newsgroups and post away, after you get the hang of it, it will take about 30 seconds for each newsgroup! **REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200** **If these instructions are too complex to follow, try Forte's "Free Agent." It is freeware for noncommercial use. To download it, simply use a search utility and type "Forte Free Agent". You should be able to find it.** That's it! You will begin receiving money from around the world within days! You may eventually want to rent a P.O. Box due to the large amount of mail you receive. If you wish to stay anonymous, you can invent a name to use, as long as the postman will deliver it. **JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT.** Now the WHY part: This entire principle works because it is in a format of an upside down tree with thousands of branches. Everyone below you will see to it that the tree continues because they want to get money. Those below THEM will continue because THEY want to get the cash etc. Out of 200 postings, say I receive only 5 replies (a very low example). So then I made $5.00 with my name at #5 on the letter. Now, each of the 5 persons who just sent me $1.00 make the MINIMUM 200 postings, each with my name at #4 and only 5 persons respond to each of the original 5, that is another $25.00 for me, now those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM posts with my name at #3 and only 5 replies each, I will bring in an additional $125.00! Now, those 125 persons turn around and post the MINIMUM 200 with my name at #2 and only receive 5 replies each, I will make an additional $626.00! OK, now here is the fun part, each of those 625 persons post a MINIMUM of 200 letters with my name at #1 and they each only receive 5 replies, that just made me $3,125.00!!! With a original investment of only $5.00! AMAZING! And as I said 5 responses is actually VERY LOW! Average is probable 20 to 30! So lets put those figures at just 15 responses per person. Here is what you will make: at #5 $15.00 at #4 $225.00 at #3 $3,375.00 at #2 $50,625.00 at #1 $759,375.00 When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the latest posting in the newsgroups, and send out another $5.00 to names on the list, putting your name at number 5 and start posting again. The thing to remember is that thousands of people all over the world are joining the Internet and reading these articles everyday, JUST LIKE YOU are now!! And this will go on and on and on and on.... get the picture? Well, there's 5,000,000,000 people on the world and most of them will eventually end up being hooked into the internet. So there are virtually unlimited resources. Of course this will work the best at the very beginning so the faster you post, the better for YOU! People have said, "what if the plan is played out and no one sends you the money? So what! What are the chances of that happening when there are tons of new honest users and new honest people who are joining the Internet and newsgroups everyday and are willing to give it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day, with thousands of those joining the actual Internet. Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will work. You just have to be honest. Make sure you print this article out RIGHT NOW, also. Try to keep a list of everyone that sends you money and always keep an eye on the newsgroups to make sure everyone is playing fairly. Remember, HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY. You don't need to cheat the basic idea to make the money!! GOOD LUCK to all and please play fairly and reap the huge rewards from this, which is tons of extra CASH. **By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting the messages with y name in the list and not sending the money to the rest of the people already onhe list, you will NOT get as much. Someone I talked to knew someone who did that and he only made about $150.00, and that's after seven or eight weeks! Then he sent the 5 $1.00 bills, people added him to their lists, and in 4-5 weeks he had over $10k. This ishe fairest and most honest way I have ever seen to share the wealth of the world without costing anything but our time!!! You also may want to buy mailing and e-mail lists for future dollars. Please remember to declare your extra income. Thanks once again...

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Re: Most elegant wording against privacy/law-enforcement "balance" (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 18:31:49 -0800 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Re: Most elegant wording against privacy/law-enforcement "balance" > >Compromising the public's right to privacy gives away not only our own > >rights, but those of our descendants. The government must make an > >extraordinary case to justify undermining those rights, and so far it > >has not done so. > > "So far it has not done so." > > This "argument based on utilitarian need" is at odds with the First > Amendment. It's at odds with the entire concept of 'inalienable rights' and 'government instituted by the governed'. > I am drawing the parallel with the Fourth deliberately: no amount of > "study," even a study by such august persons as Denning and Baugh, could > ever conclude that wholesale, unwarranted searches are permissable. The > Fourth was put in just to stop such broad conclusions. I would say more broadly the Constitution and in particular the Bill of Rights was implimented to eliminate these issue from the federal level. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Subliminally Seduce Women Instantly
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17 Dec '03

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Re: Washington on the verge of being nuked?
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Manhattan would be easily blown, remotely. Place a time-charge beneath a car at the head each principal subway line (which commence in other boroughs), set to blow at the main stations. For the West Side, supplement with a charge in the PATH train from Jersey. For the East Side, supplement with another in the LI Railroad from the Island. Forget anything above 86th Street, they'll applaud; like the WVA and VA hillfolks will hooray the destruction of see-navel DC and its high-pitch babbling wonks. As will anyone of any capital (or high-tech vale), globally, not drunk with power or mad to get it. That's what horrifies the powerful about of terrorists: they're both spitting images of their opponents. Both willing to kill indiscriminately for vainglory of blind faith and ambition. Both willing to betray their kind for a step up. Probably the stealth bombers will led by a highly trained ex-, or covert member, or Top Gun grad, of a duly authorized terrorist, wing, sub, cell set up to kill for a culture's honor and commerce -- for blood-drenched national security. USG and IraqG, any G, joined at birth, never separated, working in concert.

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"Ken and Brenda Kingston" <kingston@cheerful.com>: Telephone Scam Alert
by nibor55＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: "Ken and Brenda Kingston" <kingston(a)cheerful.com> To: "Bill Manago" <managob(a)primenet.com>,"Ken Kingston" <kingstob(a)fhu.disa.mil>,"Mark & Kay Barrett" <msblkb(a)primenet.com>,"Mike & Dianne Higgs" <homeys(a)primenet.com>,"Mike Roberts" <n9lem(a)aol.com>, "Rachel M Parker" <xyz987(a)juno.com>,"Robin Parker" <nibor55(a)juno.com> Subject: Telephone Scam Alert Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 20:07:14 -0700 Message-ID: <001601bd3375$82a232a0$b037c5a9@pc1> I want to let all my friends know about this scam going around. It does not matter who your local or long distance carrier is, this can cost you a lot of money. Please read and if you get a call like this, report it to the police and the FCC. If you have a caller ID, get the number too. Subject: High Priority message High Priority ** On Saturday, 24 January 1998, Naval Air Station, Joint Reserve Base, New Orleans' Quarterdeck received a telephone call from an individual identifying himself as an AT&T Service Technician that was running a test on our telephone lines. He stated that to complete the test the QMOW should touch nine (9), zero (0), pound sign (#) and hang up. Luckily, the QMOW was suspicious and refused. Upon contacting the telephone company we were informed that by pushing 90# you end up giving the individual that called you access to your telephone line and allows them to place a long distance telephone call, with the charge appearing on your telephone call. We were further informed that this scam has been originating from many of the local jails/prisons. Please "pass the word". Brenda --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

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What's the latest in factoring?
by Alan Tu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi all, First, I want to say that because I've heard that traffic on this list is heavy, and I don't have time to file away 40 messages a day, you must write to me personally in order for me to see the message. My PGP key is provided at the end of this message. What is the latest factoring breakthrough (at least in the civilian world?) I had heard a while back that the most recent event was accomplished by Samuel Wagstaff of Purdue University, whose team factored (3^349-1)/2, which is a 167-digit number (about 552 bits). Is there anything more recent? Also, whereas 1024 bits was the commonly accepted threshhold for key lengths more than two years ago, what's the threshhold now? Because I have DOS (and like it) I use PGP 2.63ix, when should I retire my 1024-bit key? I don't expect anybody to answer that I should do so immediately, but can someone give me an idea on what people are doing in regard to key length? Sincerely, Alan Tu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv Comment: Requires PGP version 2.6 or later. iQCVAwUBNN0kkJezmBrl2RXhAQGxnAP9HyIvtTcOeN77s3p80OmSefhagtfxQGEm H3NqWzxrqEvfODat63UFDVxcf28cSSog3666Icys1nLY9JhNSFZrruejbRIJ6P4o AKHfxBwUSO00GvSyCl9nI5VjJDoRG2elDZf7iPP1M9h+IoTXuSDpdWnL9uBpqhvi SFg4sXOKEOA= =co6G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Type Bits/KeyID Date User ID pub 1024/E5D915E1 1997/04/27 Alan Tu <atu5713(a)compuserve.com> Alan Tu <102534.2165(a)compuserve.com> -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3i Comment: Requires PGP version 2.6 or later. mQCNAzNivkwAAAEEALdGUXD3j+RioIirVG46N6LaGD3YMMVVT5Mjwr5JojQsDICy 856I06Ugo/Fqid2A/os7v/gwE+Sj/WhMERgTsTejUZtsucTpS9sae+cc27Fjjq1l hOnqcLZqnHDDNyn3+jesVFPLnRlSoHbmcBK1XDW/SJT1anZz55ezmBrl2RXhAAUR tCBBbGFuIFR1IDxhdHU1NzEzQGNvbXB1c2VydmUuY29tPokAlQIFEDOguk6Xs5ga 5dkV4QEBBF8D/1B0ePqlMavWEUMP0uTmyvWFI7jooAcih6uHZFo2u+u3EzE2Is8X EoLHg39DhjleTHPu6TnGsWIiwDYEslzYeVw/Cglx6eliYIr/qs7peEywuhtZsEFH ln6yR9IE6rX3b3GCvPSQ5uPhXWrd2kWaZvG4rQ4Oj1m3yTrFaPRqCBPvtCRBbGFu IFR1IDwxMDI1MzQuMjE2NUBjb21wdXNlcnZlLmNvbT6JAJUDBRAzyUJWl7OYGuXZ FeEBAc4TBACT8gLtyE0C8NBGs9aDa9kHfeNzN8VbNfUpoOiWi4duAAZFiAt/e+ji J2BUMLIY8kzm2WX4mVzpKYjvea5TtHeQgbESV1HVZ5k7abENMUYz5nSMloOE+bb+ XRzgGgFF3htGXDJNywlLNgoYi5vTMT0pbGlCzOu215Cc4mFls2w1iA== =CM85 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Re: BBN
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Galombos and a World where Ideas can be Protected (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:33:41 -0800 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Galombos and a World where Ideas can be Protected > >If there were no copyright, markets for information and entertainment > >would definitely have evolved differently than they have in the US > >and Europe, and would use much different mechanisms for getting money > >to the producers of information, such as standard sale contracts.* > .... > > It's always hard to say how reality would look in a different universe, one > with, say, no copyright laws. Agreed, however the motivations that drive people to creative or constructive acts wouldn't change. > However, we have some indications, because there are some things which are > very much like "intellectual property" which, in fact, have no protection > in the courts. > > Namely, _ideas_. > > For better or for worse, ideas are not protected against copying, use, etc. Agreed, but the ability to carry through on them *is* criticaly dependant upon the social and technological infrastructure of the participants. > And yet society works fine. Those who keep coming up with ideas find ways > to keep coming up with ideas, and often to prosper, as writers, > consultants, etc., often because of their ability to generate ideas. True, but what you are leaving out is their ability to impliment those ideas, which most certainly depends upon the infrastructure that surrounds them. Ideas abhor a vacuum. In such an environment it is reasonable to assume that people would not loose their basic instincts, among them greed. So it is clear that people would not stop having ideas, but the milieu of those ideas would be restrictive and most probably very paranoid. If you learned of a particular process or idea it would not be in your best interest to pass it around. Further it would be very difficult to trust others because there would be no consequence to them taking your idea and using their resources (which the creator was depending on to actualize the concepts) to create the end product themselves. Remember the prisoners dilema here... > Think about an alternate world where ideas are protectable before saying a > world without copyrights would collapse inevitably. This is a straw man. We are discussing the issue of what would be reasonable to expect considering human nature in an environment where there was *no* protection of ideas and no redress of grievances through a legal system. Intellectual anarchy if you will. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: the best justice money can buy --Lessig (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 18:12:38 -0800 > Original-From: Bill Stewart <bill.stewart(a)pobox.com> > Subject: Re: the best justice money can buy --Lessig (fwd) > >If there were no copyright nobody would have any reason to market > >software or much else for that matter. I would predict that much of > >the technology and infrastructure we have now wouldn't exist. > >It would also stiffle [sic] creativity and new methodologies because > >there would be no profit in it to recoup development costs. > > If there were no copyright, markets for information and entertainment > would definitely have evolved differently than they have in the US > and Europe, and would use much different mechanisms for getting money > to the producers of information, such as standard sale contracts.* > On the other hand, if there were no colonialism, markets for sheep in > New Zealand would have evolved much differently than they did, > a problem they're now gradually working their way out of. The point is that it would *not* effect single instances or markets, it would effect the very fabric of trust that is inherent in a society that rewards creativity. If there were no copyrights and by extension no protection for the creator or implimentor of an idea we would have a situation where the groups with the resources would be the ones able to best actualize and therefore reap the benefits of ideas. In such an environment why would some individual choose to go head to head in a battle they couldn't win due to resources and a lack of a standard infrastructure? They wouldn't, they'd go back home and grow food and mind their own business. They wouldn't exchange ideas because it could be taken as a given that mail and other forms of non-direct communications would be insecure. >From this we can deduce that the actual target of delivery would very likely not receive it and that some intermediary would in fact take possession of that material and take advantage of it. So we can assume that people would not work on colaborations bigger than their immediate neighborhood. Now it is also clear that within that neighborhood some will have more resources to actualize ideas in respect to many of those who actualy create the ideas. In such an environment why would the individual increase this parties resource share to their own detriment? They wouldn't. > Copyright is certainly a major market convenience, because it means > that individual authors, middlemen, and readers don't have to > negotiate contracts each time they trade information for money, > or having to read the annoying shrink-wrap licenses on books > the way they did for a while on packaged software. It also > makes it more difficult for alternative mechanisms to evolve, > because it's got an 800-pound well-armed gorilla subsidizing it. The protection of ideas and the reaping of the actualization of the creation going to the creator is the issue, copyright is simply one of many mechanisms that impliment this fundamental belief of who should benefit. If we do away with this we are also doing away with a much deeper and fundamental aspect of modern society, trust that our toil will benefit us in the end. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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