December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: More Crypto Statements
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What explains this flurry of crypto-statements on the floor of the Senate on Saturday and Sunday? Simple: Our elected representatives had nothing else to do. By late Sunday evening, the vote over fast-track had been postponed ten times as union and corporate lobbyists jockeyed for position with the White House for votes. While smoke was filling the back rooms of the Capitol, members had nothing else to do but twiddle their thumbs. Debate noncontroversial legislation. Recount election battles. And pledge loyalty to strong crypto. Of course increased (or at least more effective) industry lobbying had something to do with the floor statements. These sorts of brief speeches are a sign of a well-honed lobbying campaign. Note, BTW, the tone of the Senate statements. The defeat of Burns' ProCODE bill in the Senate means that crypto-proponents are on the defensive. Murray is forced to say S.909 (McCain-Kerrey) "does not go far enough" in lifting export ctrls -- true, since it also sets up a key escrow infrastructure. There is no pro-crypto bill in the Senate now for crypto-advocates to rally around. (Leahy's is a key escrow wishlist.) Also note that Dreier's statements are significant: "Congress should lift the controls on encryption software" and not move towards mandatory key escrow. He is a senior member of the House Rules committee, which will pass judgement on and reconcile the five versions of SAFE sooner or later. One of those versions is the FBI-friendly one with restrictions on manufacture, distribution, and sale of unapproved crypto products. -Declan At 20:20 -0500 11/10/97, John Young wrote: >Declan, anyone, is this flood of statements due to an >industry campaign, or one by Majortiy Leader Lott, >or Speaker Gingrich, or a combination, or what? > >What's your insider intel, Declan, will these initiatives continue >into the next session or are they just cheap dues paying >for the moment, while getting ready to sellout when the >rain of if-you-knew-what-we've-been-briefed shit showers >down next year?

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Re: Australian sheep [WAS RE: Bell vs. Woodward--justice?]
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(An interesting essay from an Australian was sent to me via an anonymous remailer...at least he or she claimed to be Australian. As I can only respond to him or her via the list, here's my reply.) At 6:42 PM -0700 11/11/97, Anonymous wrote: >>>>>> "T" == Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > T> As for Australia, your countrymen acted like sheep in giving up > T> their guns. If they try that kind of shit here in this country, > T> a *lot* of cops are going to get killed. > > T> (Not necessarily by me, though I'll defend my property and my > T> constitutional rights as best I can. But the militia and patriot > T> and anti-New World Order movements are preparing for war.) > >As an Australian I couldn't agree more with your conclusion Tim. >Australians showed a shameful and cowardly disregard for individual >liberty and freedom on the gun issue and a time will come I'm sure ... And let me assure you that I am not insulting all Australians. I call them as I see them, whether it's Americans (the most common target of my analyses), Germans, French, Swedes, etc. ... >sources. We have in doing this showed just how sheep like we are for >instead of taking some responsibility for our own future defence needs >we have placed ourselves at the feet of the USA for our continued >freedom to pass even more restrictive laws on ourselves. We will all >rue the day America loses interest in us and no doubt some of our >ernest friends to our north will at that point suddenly show a very >great interest in this land. Anyone who seriously believes otherwise "Pax Americana" is the name for this trend. America sits astride the world, as the only remaining military superpower, and an economic superpower as well. I say this not to be jingoistic, but as an expression of reality. The former Soviet Union is in disarray, and its submarines and ICBMs are apparently rusting away and will soon be inoperable. This is, in a sense, good news. The United States almost bankrupted itself in the 40-year Cold War. And now, instead of turning swords into plowshares, cutting taxes, and getting on with life, American sends its aircraft carriers to far-off places, acts as the world's policeman, draws lines in the sand and dares Saddam to cross them, threatens trade wars, and browbeats other nations. (I'd gladly settle for a broken up USA, with five or six economic/political regions, each too small to run around the world butting into the affairs of distant nations. The coming chaos may succeed in doing this.) >is a fool. Personally I have laid down a weapons cache that would, at >the hands of our media, make me look like an invading army myself. >Some of my friends have done likewise. I believe it is my right, >indeed my duty to provide for my own defence. In doing so I am now run >the risk of 20 years imprisonment. Of course since I run this risk >(and self defence is no longer a justification for holding a weapon in >this country) I have not limited myself to semi-auto weapons as they >are now as illegal as automatic weapons, grenades, mines etc. In for a >penny in for a pound. One of the first things the invading U.S. forces did in Somalia was to disarm the civilian population. (I am not making this up.) The farmers protested that they would be left defenseless against the nomadic guerillas and looters. Ah, but the benevolent U.S. decided, via consultations with the U.N., that the key to peace lay in disarming those they could disarm. As the U.S. found, those they were unable to disarm kicked their asses all around Mogadishu. Dragging a chopper pilot around town was just the most visible sign. So the U.S. retreated. Is this portrayed as a defeat? Nope. The warmongers talk about how America has "bounced back" from its loss in Viet Nam and has not lost a war since. More reason to invade other nations. Anyway, disarming the civilians is now U.S. policy. Not too surpising that Clinton looks with favor on the recent disarmings in the U.K. and Australia (and with newer restrictions in Canada, too). >regardless. It is our right and duty, as free men and women to be able >to defend ourselves and god help anyone who comes to disarm us. The >ban, if anything has forced true patriots to decide just which side of >the line they stand on and fostered a more extremist attitude towards >those who would stand aside while the people are murdered. We realise >that constitutional protections such as enshrined in your great >Constitution are won only with blood and not with the talk of the >corrupt. Some of us are awaiting the coming tide with relish. > >Good luck and good hunting, Amen. And Australia should not be completely surprised if the U.S. offers to send "peacekeeping troops" to your country to help with the disarmament. The conspiracy theorists who talk about the New World Order and U.N. "Blue Helmets" roaming U.S. streets have it only half right: the other side of the New World Order is having U.S. troops, possibly under U.N. flags (barf), patrolling conquered, er, liberated territories. I don't want to see my fellow countrymen die in foreign wars, but it wouldn't break my heart to see some Aussie sharpshooters taking out foreign invaders. Should this event happen. (Many of us are fighting the New World Order, and I don't personally think there will be Americans sent in large numbers to quell large populations. America likes picking on countries much smaller than itself.) Good luck. --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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17 Dec '03

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Re: FRB Crypto Systems
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

:: Anon-To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com John Young wrote: > Federal Register, November 10, 1997 > Excerpt from a Federal Reserve Bank announcement: > > ... the Reserve Banks plan to change their policy > for ownership of the encryption boards used by depository > institutions with dial and multi-drop connections. These > encryption boards are currently purchased and owned by the > depository institutions. With the replacement of the > encryption boards beginning in the second half of 1998 to > enhance the security of the Federal Reserve's communications > network, the Reserve Banks plan to purchase and assume > ownership of these boards. Not that they are preparing to take fascist control of all electronic funds in preparation for the coming Financial Holocaust. Has anyone that you can't look *anywhere* in the government regulatory scheme without seeing signs of preparation for *seizing* control of information, finances and communications? I remember going into a black bar in a very bad neighborhood in Seattle and being befriended by the nicest black man in the whole world. After sharing intimate buddy-buddy details of his life with me he suggested that if I gave him my wallet to hold then I wouldn't have to worry about some of the "bad" black people in the establishment robbing me. I didn't give him my wallet, but I _did_ vote for him. {;>) El !Fool

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UN Conference - Limits on Internet speech [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > U.N. CONFERENCE DEBATES LIMITS ON INTERNET SPEECH > > Internet racism graphic November 11, 1997 > Web posted at: 9:14 p.m. EST (0214 GMT) > > GENEVA (AP) -- Concerned at the growing use of the Internet for > racist propaganda, international experts are debating how -- and > whether -- to combat the spread of computerized hate messages. > > Binding global controls on the Internet are unlikely, officials said > Tuesday, since the technology is changing faster than rules can be > made, and because of free speech protection in the United States. > > The United Nations is sponsoring a week-long meeting of human rights > activists, government officials and Internet service providers as > part of efforts to ensure compliance with an international treaty > banning racial discrimination. It ends Friday with a list of > recommendations. > > "There are 148 countries who have accepted this convention and they > are under obligation to enact measures to implement it," said Agha > Shahi of Pakistan, a member of the U.N. Committee on the Elimination > of Racial Discrimination. > > "Are we going to say the Internet should be exempt from any kind of > compliance with the rules of international behavior?" he asked. > > It is widely agreed that the Internet offers an open platform for > racists and white supremacists, although nothing has proved this > leads to a related rise in racist incidents. > > Much of the problem stems from the United States, where groups such > as the Ku Klux Klan, the Aryan Nations and skinheads base their Web > sites. > > Under the U.S. Constitution, which guarantees free speech, these > groups are permitted to post their views on the Internet, which can > be accessed by people in other countries. > > Although European countries like Sweden have moved toward making > Internet service providers responsible for the content they supply, > such restrictions are unlikely in the United States, and hence, > internationally. > > "In our tradition, it is only through the clash of views in vigorous > debate, and not through government censorship, that equality is well > served," Philip Reitinger of the U.S. Department of Justice said at > the U.N. meeting. "That principle -- one which accords freedom of > expression the highest respect -- applies with equal force to the > Internet." > > While the U.S. computer industry is voluntarily working on ways to > ensure that computer smut isn't accessible to minors, Eric Lee, of > the Internet service provider Commercial Internet eXchange, said it > was "not feasible and not desirable" for Internet providers to act > as censors. > > "It's difficult if not impossible to suppress content on the Web > because there are so many ways to evade controls," Lee said. "Which > does not mean that one should not take steps to limit behavior, but > coming up with foolproof controls is virtually impossible." > > Copyright 1997 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This > material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or > redistributed.

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Y2K: Canada status?
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Please reply to my personnal address, I am not on CPunks. Is there anybody who knows about the Y2K situation in Canada? Should we infer that the situation will be the same here or were any preparation steps taken by out govt that will postpone our contry's alledged fall by 2 microseconds (time for any major economic catastrophy in the US to reach us here) Ciao jfa "You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against -- then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. Your fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. Once declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted -- and you create a nation of law-breakers---and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system...that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be easier to deal with." Ayn Rand

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U.N. conference on "hate sites" on the Internet
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[I've attached the conference agenda below. --Declan] ************* Experts tell U.N. conference 'hate' sites on Internet may be here to stay Reuters GENEVA (November 11, 1997 2:47 p.m. EST http://www.nando.net) - Internet hate sites, such as one urging "Aryan brothers and sisters ... to combat racially inferior parasites," are unlikely to be stamped out because this would limit freedom of speech, experts said Tuesday. The need to respect free speech, as well as the sheer size of the task, emerged at a United Nations seminar as the two main obstacles to eradicating such material. The issue has become more pressing as the number of online hate sites soars and racism, neo-Nazism and anti-Semitism, find new niches on the Internet, speakers at the meeting said. But there is no easy answer to the question: who decides what is offensive on the Internet? "In Europe, it would be racist to say, 'I don't like Arabs.' In the United States, we can say 'I don't like Arabs, I don't like pink people.' Under freedom of expression, it's not against the law," said Debra Guzman, executive director of the U.S.-based Human Rights Information Network. "You can't ban this in the United States," she told a news conference. One problem is that Internet technology itself cannot distinguish between the offensive and the non-offensive, said Eric Lee, public policy director at the U.S. Commercial Internet Exchange. [...] ************* Dear Madam/Sir, I have the honour to inform you that within the framework of the implementation of the Programme of Action for the Third Decade to Combat Racism and Racial Discrimination, in pursuance of General Assembly resolution 51/81, the High Commissioner for Human Rights will organize a seminar on "The role of Internet with regard to the provisions of the International Convention on the Elimination of all Forms of Racial Discrimination". The purpose of the Seminar which will take place in Geneva from 10 to 14 November 1997 and bring together experts on the subject matter, representatives of governments, Internet Service Providers, and representatives of non-governmental organizations, is to find ways and means to ensure a responsible use of the Internet in the light of the International Convention on the Elimination of all Forms of Racial Discrimination. The draft agenda of the meeting reads as follows: (a) Racism and Racial Discrimination on Internet (b) Technical Aspects of screening racist propaganda on Internet: 1. National Measures 2. International Measures (c) Prohibition of racist propaganda on the Internet. Juridical Aspects: 1. National Measures 2. International Measures (d) Elements for an eventual Code of Conduct and good practice for displaying material on Internet (e) Recommendations. /... #012# I am very pleased, on behalf of the Secretary-General, to invite your Organization to send an observer to the seminar. In order that the necessary arrangements concerning conference facilities may be made in advance, I would be grateful to receive his or her name by 30 October 1997 at the latest. Under existing arrangements, your Organization would be expected to bear the costs of its representative. I am attaching to this letter, for your convenience, a briefing note relating to the seminar. Yours sincerely, John Pace Chief Research and Right to Development Branch ______________________________________________________________________ IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROGRAMME OF ACTION FOR THE THIRD DECADE TO COMBAT RACISM AND RACIAL DISCRIMINATION SEMINAR ON THE ROLE OF INTERNET WITH REGARD TO THE PROVISIONS OF THE INTERNATIONAL CONVENTION ON THE ELIMINATION OF ALL FORMS OF RACIAL DISCRIMINATION Geneva, Palais des Nations 10-14 November 1997 PROVISIONAL AGENDA Monday 10 November Morning 10:00 - 13:00 Opening of the Seminar - Welcome address by High Commissioner for Human Rights - Election of the Bureau (Chairperson, Vice-Chairperson, Rapporteur) - Adoption of the agenda - Organisation of work Afternoon Working session I 15:00 - 18:00 Item I: Racism and Racial Discrimination on Internet - Keynote address by Ms. Debra Guzman, Executive Director The Human Rights Information Network - General discussion - Conclusion #012# Tuesday 11 November Morning Working session II.a 10:00 - 13:00 Item II: Technical Aspects of screening racist propaganda on Internet: National measures - Keynote address by Mr. Timothy L. Jenkins, Chairman of Unlimited Visions - General discussion - Conclusion Afternoon Working session II.b 15:00 - 18:00 Item III: Technical Aspects of screening racist propaganda on Internet: international measures - Keynote address by Mr. Eric Lee, Commercial Internet Exchange - General discussion - Conclusion Wednesday 12 November Morning Working session III.a 10:00 -13:00 Item IV: Prohibition of Racist Propaganda on the Internet: Juridical Aspects, National Measures - Keynote address by an expert of the Department of Justice, USA - General discussion - Conclusion Afternoon Working session III.b 15:00 - 18:00 Item V: Prohibition of Racist Propaganda on the Internet: Juridical Aspects, International Measures - Keynote address by Mr. Agha Shahi, member of the Commitee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination - General discussion - Conclusion #012# Thursday 13 November Morning Working session IV.a 10:00 - 13:00 Item VI: Elements for an eventual Code of Conduct and good practice for displaying material on Internet - Keynotes address by: Ms. Maya Sooka, Association for Progressive Communication, Johannesburg - General Discussion - Conclusion Afternoon Working session IV.b 15:00 - 18:00 Item VI: Elements for an eventual Code of Conduct and good practice for displaying material on Internet - Keynotes address by: Mr. Tony Rutkowsky, former senior ITU executive - General Discussion - Conclusion Friday 14 November Morning Free Time Afternoon 15:00 - 18:00 Conclusions and Recommendations Closing of the Seminar - Statement of the Chairperson - Final statement of the High Commissioner ------

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Hmmm
by wabe 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

So, just as a question, what COULD the FBI do, if it saw a real possibility for organized crime to get out of control if they no longer could do wiretaps? I have a friend in berlin who says the Russian Mob is moving in there. Scary. What should the FBI say? Is there even a Constitutional option? _______________________________________ -wabe

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Re: Y2K: Canada status?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jean-Francois Avon wrote: > Please reply to my personnal address, I am not on CPunks. > > Is there anybody who knows about the Y2K situation in Canada? > > Should we infer that the situation will be the same here or were any preparation steps > taken by out govt that will postpone our contry's alledged fall by 2 microseconds (time for > any major economic catastrophy in the US to reach us here) Canadians have the additional problem of having a lot of software which is customized to convert differing MM/DD/YY formats back and forth. More so than many other countries, because of the close working relationship of many small to medium companies with American customers and vendors. Many Canadian companies do not seem to realize that their software works with their 'Joe America' software package only because the guy who left the company six years ago did some obscure customization. I have seen problems that appeared only when Canadian companies updated their 'Joe America' software, and that was _without_ date-code changes. Many companies that run Canadian versions of software are also unaware of the customizations made to it by vendors in order to 'make' it work with US versions as it was advertised to do out of the box. As well, even Canadian companies who are ready and willing to tackle the Y2K problem are sometimes unable to do so until those who their software needs to interact with do so. It is sometimes very difficult for them to fix the 'Canadian' parts of the code without adjusting the 'American' parts of the code, with no assurance that once their American counterparts do their changes, all of their work/money goes out the window. During the decimal/metric changeover in Canada, I had more than one car which required me to have tools for 'both' systems, to do even the smallest of mechanical tasks on it. Now might be a great time to invest in companies who resisted the move to computerization, and who still have bookeepers and the like on staff. CanuckMonger

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Re: Br'er Tim and the Bug Hole (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:18:49 -0500 > From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> > Subject: Re: Br'er Tim and the Bug Hole > Remember my old Neitsche joke about the rabbits demanding their rights and > the lions asking to see their claws? You, Tim, or anyone else we know, even > those with arsenals :-), are but mere ferrets in comparison. 'mere ferrets'? You obviously don't know much about the predatory nature of the mustella clan (ferrets, weasels, badgers, etc.). From a predator stand-point they are excellent hunters, routinely killing prey *three* times their body weight by themselves. By no means is that routine of predators of any ilk other than felines (statisticaly hitting 70% kill rates on average, dogs do good if they hit 40% in packs). You should do a little research into mustella negripe, the American Black-footed Ferret (distantly related to the European Ferret at best). No, being a ferret is *not* an insult but rather a compliment. Pound for pound if you got to pick a fight don't pick one with felines or mustellids they *will* kick your weasy little butt. And yes, I am a cat & ferret lover. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Bell vs. Woodward--justice?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>If the judge is overturning aquittals, then we have problems. And I would >suggest we lock and load if the judge had done that and thrown her in prison. >As it is, I only suggest that everyone lock and load because they threw her >in jail before she was convicted. She hadn't yet had her trial, so she >shouldn't have been in jail, period. She was under indictment for murder, no? I don't know how Massachusetts handles murder suspects before trial, but in many states those accused of capital crimes don't get the benefit of bail. (Ditto for those who are flight risks, etc.) Of course, prosecutors perforn their own dog-and-pony show in front of the judge/magistrate, claiming that the accused is not only guilty of everything one could imagine, but also a smarmy type who would double-park during rush hour and probably has connections to the Illuminati, neo-Nazi hate groups, and the O.T.O. The logical extreme of what you propose is that, for a serial murderer, jail would just be a rest stop between killings. "He was caught in Idaho and indicted for murder, but they released him on bail. So he went over to Montana and killed someone there, but they had to release him, too." Surely there must be some reasonable middle ground.

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An open invitation! *!
by make＠money.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

X-Info:Filtered Via The Remove List At http://www.antispam.org X-Info:Sent Using A Free Copy Of The Zenith Bulk Emailer INVITATION TO PARTICIPATE... - For easy reading, please maximize this window - NOTE... *** For those of you that don't have access to a server that allows you to bulk e-mail, I can give you a special gift. I know a url where you can get several different FREE software packages which will extract e-mail addresses from the internet and create mailing lists for you! I also have a list of FREE e-mail servers that allow you to send bulk mail! All you have to do to get them is to include a note asking me for "THE FREE E-MAIL SERVERS" and BE SURE TO ENCLOSE YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS WITH YOUR ORDER FOR REPORT # 1 *** I won't use up bandwidth with useless comments about this program, or testimonials from people you have never heard about before. We all know that multi-level-marketing is the wave of the future and that it is very easy to make a large amount of money in a very short time. I know, this is my second time using this program and I made well over $50,000 on my last attempt. Unfortunately, most people look at this type of program and toss it out, a very big mistake because they are also tossing out a chance to gain financial independance! This program contains all of the components necessary to make it a legal, multi-level-marketing program, a tangible product, a service, and a guarantee, so don't let someone fool you into thinking it's illegal, it's not! Plain and simple english... This Program Works! All it takes is a little of your time, a VERY small investment, and the will to succeed! Using the internet and e-mail, this program WILL make you a lot of money, and you can run through it again and again! *** For those of you that don't have access to a server that allows you to bulk e-mail, I can give you a special gift. I know a url where you can get FREE software which will extract e-mail addresses from the internet and create mailing lists for you! I also have a list of FREE e-mail servers that allow you to send bulk mail! All you have to do to get them is to include a note asking me for "THE FREE E-MAIL SERVERS" and BE SURE TO ENCLOSE YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS WITH YOUR ORDER FOR REPORT # 1 *** INCOME POTENTIAL This plan works on a Four-level or Tier MLM Program plan. This example that follows is quite conservative; however, you need to be aware that the numbers will change (probably upward) depending on the distribution amounts, the response rate of return, and the failure factor. The only numbers which are imperative for you to remember, and be able to match or exceed, are the number of orders received at Levels 1 and 2 (15 orders and 105, respectively). You must receive at least 15 orders for Report # 1, and 105 orders for Report # 2 for MATHEMATICALLY GUARANTEED SUCCESS. Here is a VERY CONSERVATIVE example of how this works. First, you and those following will each distribute 5,000 MLM Invitations to Participate in the program (what you are now reading). Second, the response rate of orders (future participants) is usually .003 (three in a thousand). Third, of those who respond with an order, $10, and the willingness to enter this program, 50% will for whatever reason not redistribute it. This is call the failure factor. The real number for these failures is closer to 30%, but remember you are being presented a very conservative example. So, you decide to give the program a TRY and enter at Level One and redistribute 5,000 new invitations which, at the return rate of .003 will provide you with 15 orders within 10 days to 2 weeks from future participants at $10 each, totaling $150 (instant return on your investment). Remember, we assumed 50% of the 15 new participants will fail to redistribute, so only 7 will send out the next 5,000 invitations (35,000 total). At Level Two, out of these 35,000 you should receive 105 (three in a thousand) orders within an additional 2-4 weeks at $10 totaling $1,050, and 52 new participants (half of the 105) will each send out the next 5,000 invitations for a new total of 260,000 prospects. >From these you will receive 780 orders at Level Three, increasing your income by $7,800. Then 390 (half of the 780) people will each distribute another 5,000 proposals, which will total 1,950,000 potential participants as you reach Level Four. With the .003 response rate there will be 5,850 new orders equaling $58,500 ! The total for all levels is $67,500. Not a bad return for sending out only 5,000 e-mail invitations. INVESTMENT The investment necessary to enter this program is $40 for the purchase of all 4 reports. This is a fixed cost of purchasing the four individual reports from preexisting Program Members at $10 each. Beyond this, the costs are variable depending on how you choose to redistribute the Program and the cost of reproducing the reports. Most certainly the order response from Level One will cover all costs even for the very aggressive participants. This is a very nominal investment for such a wonderful return. All those people you know who brag about all their investments, their portfolios, etc., would just die if they knew what you now know - that you can turn $40 into $67,500 or more in the NEXT FEW MONTHS! LEGALITY After careful study and legal consultations, there are 2 important points you should now and follow which keep this program perfectly legal and in compliance with US Postal and Lottery Laws. First, a product is being ordered by you and sold by the receiver of your order. Second, you need to request that your name be placed on the mailing list from whom you order so a service is also being performed. Title 18 Sections 1302 and 1341 of the US Postal and Lottery Laws specifically states " A product or service must be exchanged for money received." Also remember when you receive your orders you MUST fill them promptly, preferably the same day, with the Report being sold to comply with the law, and also to aid the new participants in future order procurement not just for themselves but also for you. GUARANTEE FOR SUCCESS The check points which GUARANTEE your SUCCESS and the optimal financial return for all participant members are simply these: 1. You must receive at least 15 orders for Report # 1 2. You must receive at least 105 orders for Report #2 This is easy, but it's an absolute must !!! No matter how many program invitations you chose to redistribute, if you don't receive the necessary 15 or more orders for Report # 1, keep sending more invitations until you receive the necessary 15 orders. The more you get, the more money you will make. This also applies for the 105 orders for Report # 2. Once you have received the necessary 105 or more orders for Report # 2, simply sit back, take a deep breath and relax because you are going to receive orders in excess of $67,500. This is a MATHEMATICALLY PROVEN guarantee. Of those who have participated in this program and reached the above minimum orders, all have reached or exceeded their goal. Just imagine what would happen if there was no failure factor, or if it were just lower than the calculated 50% ! The question is, do you really want to have $67,500 in your bank in the next few months? I am sure you do, so are you willing to give the program a TRY? You will never know if it works if you don't TRY....... Remember, if you want your ship to come in, you have to launch it first. The hardest part of this program is deciding to do it. Once you have taken that step then you need to decide how to get the 5,000 or more names with whom you want to share this program. There are many companies that will provide mailing lists with e-mail addresses. You have gotten lots of advertisements over e-mail offering bulk mail services....NOW MAKE THEM WORK FOR YOU !! *** WHAT TO DO *** "OK, I am of THREE IN A THOUSAND - I've decided this venture is worth $40.00. What do I do now? STEP # 1 - Purchase each of the four Reports by NAME and NUMBER, and request to be put on the mailing list (both street and e-mail addresses and important) to each seller. Do this by ordering one of the four Reports from each of the four names listed here after. For each Report send $10 CASH and a SELF-ADDRESSED, STAMPED ENVELOPE (Business size #10) to the person listed for the SPECIFIC REPORT. It is essential that you specify each Report ordered by name and number for each person to insure that you will receive all four Reports properly. You will need all 4 Reports because you will be REPRODUCING AND RESELLING them. Do not alter the names or the sequence of the name list in any way other than by what the instructions say. It is important for you to receive same day service on your orders, and you must also must also provide it to others when you receive orders. STEP # 2 - Put your name on the list prior to your distribution of the Program Invitations. In doing so it is imperative for everyone's success in this Program that you follow these instructions exactly. First, delete the person's name from Report # 4 position as they will be on their way to the bank. Second, move the name in the Report # 3 position into the open # 4 position. Third, move the name from Report # 2 spot into the # 3 position. Fourth, move the name from the Report # 1 position to the # 2 place. Finally, place your name and address into the Report # 1 position. When doing this, make certain to type the names and addresses accurately, and to not mix up the order of the names with each Report other than as how you have just been instructed. REPORT AND NAME LIST REPORT # 1 - "HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTI-LEVEL SALES" Order from: Rick Kowalski 617 Gateway Road, WPG., MB., Canada, R2K-2X8 REPORT # 2 - "MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND MULTI-LEVEL SALES" Order from: Sarah Glade 168 Harbison Ave. West, Winnipeg MB, Canada, R2L-0A4 REPORT # 3 - "INCREASING THE ODDS WITH MAILING LISTS" Order from: Department 2, LBK Marketing & Graphics, PO Box 351509, Jacksonville, FL 32235-1509 REPORT # 4 - "EVALUATING MULTI-LEVEL SALES PLANS" Order from : USI, 3400-L MacArthur Blvd., Santa Ana, CA 92704 REMEMBER! Order each report by name and number, and to include with the $10 cash a self-addressed, stamped envelope. DISTRIBUTION Having made the changes in the name list, save the new Program as a text file, using "Notepad" in Windows in its own directory to be used with whatever mass mail program you like. Report # 3 will give you some of the best methods for distributing this Program. Be creative! Who knows what your personal twist will produce! FULFILLMENT It is essential that the Reports you reproduce look like the originals - not copies of copies of copies. The more professional you keep your business the more so will those behind you. Always provide same day service. It's sound business and the sooner your buyers get started, the sooner you start counting your money. IN A NUTSHELL 1. Name your new MLM Company. You can use you own name if you desire. 2. Get a Post Office box if you can, as it is a preferred way of doing MLM. 3. Edit the names on the Program. Remember, your name goes into the Report # 1 position. The others move down one position with the fourth name being deleted. 4. Copy and save this program as it has become yours to reproduce for distribution via any and all methods you choose. Make certain it remains neat and legible. 5. Decide on the number of Programs you intend to distribute. The more invitations you send out, and the quicker you get them into the hands of other interested people, the more money you will make. 6. Decide on your methods of distribution and obtain as many e-mail addresses as possible to send to until you receive the information regarding mailing list companies in Report # 3. 7. Distribute the Program Invitations, and get ready to fill your orders. 8. Reproduce or copy each of the four Reports so you are ready to send them out as soon as you receive your orders. Remember, when you do, to keep them looking like originals and to always provide same day service. 9. Follow the program instructions exactly, but be as creative and aggressive as you can. THANK YOU for taking the time to read this. Now print it out, RE-READ IT and envision that new car, that vacation, that new house, or that quality education for your kids! Is it too good to be true? No, but it is too good to let slip through your fingers. Are you one of THREE IN A THOUSAND? Are you going to prove to yourself whether or not you can make alot of money in a short period of time by working smart? Are you willing to TRY? It is your decision. GOOD LUCK ! *** Important Message - Sent Using The Zenith Bulk Emailer *** *** For Your FREE Copy Of This Program - http://209.27.224.16 ***

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No Subject
by Stéphane Jacquet 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Give a visit to my home page !!!!! And let me know what you think !!! ================================== Stéphane Jacquet sjacquet(a)musician.org http://www.worldnet.net/~sjacquet/

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Re: 1st Amendment Tossed in Paladin Case
by Jim Ray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- This is very worrisome to me. Miami author Paul Levine wrote a novel a while back about using a naturally-occurring chemical available to the medical profession called succhylcholine (sp?) to commit murder almost untraceably. He was inspired by someone trying it, and I think people have tried it since, and the novel could be said to be a how-to, but nobody has tried to stop him from making money on the book. This case, by looking to the content of the how-to, promises to turn poorly-written how-to books into poorly-written novels, I guess. (Levine's book is well- written and a fun read, but not every author is Paul Levine.) JMR [If cypherpunks, please cc me on replies. I'm on a filtered version.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Freedom isn't Freeh. iQEPAwUBNGlSKDUhsGSn1j2pAQFegAfPYtqzIUxddBauAGayRqu2+7kO7uTWwon3 XQRBBc++Mam6Kqpv3yhfIRv4h6Rkj3NSunaIjUOeMa8J/vLNgsC1Bz5N/hnVa6iw wcrIOBkSE39+3xNZ4zLhtTq2F9onDLigdUAZDlprWNFRW9jyG+BGa8dfH16zvye4 mofM9OD9RPgnGN+Jd+tgivkok0Hg/Q4Wt6aLIthGPJL3/Dhowh8V6eftAPyJuaLv nLtgtX3PkSnhRziBPhXAHGxh8Arfrn6xzBoXV8MTdDdurIhFjIq+7wlpefkQIHSK oNmNt7q2IPvdblW+71wwseFXi8V1p4Da788Rn22ezqZ6PQ== =VMU+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Search engine supporting SSL
by Paul Feldman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi all, is there a search engine around supporting SSL ? this will let one hide it's requests to search engines from malicious eyes :) -- Paul Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com

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Secure HTTP proxying
by Paul Feldman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, do someone knows if there is any browser which uses SSL to contact a HTTP proxy ? in the standard schema, we want to contact a secure server through a proxy, so the browser sends the CONNECT method to the proxy to contact the remote (secure) site. in the schema of my interest, the browser wants to contact a remote secure or insecure site with "hiding" of the communication from some intermediate sniffers, it does so by using a http proxy in SSL mode and then contacting the site of his choice. This is very important for permitting web navigation in insecure environnements if the malicious eyes dont have access to the proxy's network. talking about HTTP proxies in general, i think setting these is as important as setting anonymous remailers, i hope there are some ppl with enough motivation and ressources to help broadcast safe cyberculture. Best Regards -- paul Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com

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Re: Br'er Tim and the Bug Hole
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Kent Krispin wrote: >Tim, like many, rationalizes his simmering anger by blaming it all on >the "bastids in the gubmit". But it doesn't take much insight to see >that there is something a little deeper going on, something a little >sad. .................................................. By jove, I think I've "got" it - there *is* something deeper going on here: Tim is really an undercover 'narc' - through his provocative remarks he's actually encouraging all the violent terrorists on the list to come out of their lurking holes and reveal themselves. Then he's going to turn them all in for a cash reward, which he'll use to buy more high-tech stock. Yeah, that's it! .. Blanc

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Thank You
by Joe Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thank you for your recent inquire. President, Joe Anonymous Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com

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Computer Show Invittion
by fred34＠netsix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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It is Northern California's largest computer Computer Show with wholesale prices available to the public. +++++++++++++++ 1286 B +++++++++++++++++++++++ To save 20% to 50% on your Holiday PC Purchases check the values found at: http://www.tradespace.com/rasindex.html Come to the show and meet the the Show Co-Sponsor TradeSpace Inc. for more great values. +++++++++++++++ 1286 B +++++++++++++++++++++++ Approximately 50 computer dealers and manufacturers assemble at this facility to present their products to you. These vendors compete with each other to bring you the very latest technology and selection at the lowest possible prices. Seminars are held by major INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS to answer questions for you. If you are interested in PURCHASING COMPUTER EQUIPMENT or accessing the INTERNET you should attend this show and see for yourself. For show information on the web Visit us at http://www.robertaustin.com Bookmark this site to get up to the minute show information and directions. Email me back (mailto: fred34(a)netsix.com) and let me know what you think after you see the show. I am looking for your input regarding seminar topics and other items you would like to see in future shows. If you have questions please visit our web site at http://www.robertaustin.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++1286 B ++++ Please make as many copies of this ticket as needed and BRING YOUR FRIENDS to the show with copies of this ticket. Fill this ticket out and bring it for your PRE REGISTERED admission. It can be used for either of the following two COMPUTER SHOWS. No further registration is required. OAKLAND CONVENTION CENTER 10th and Broadway, Down Town Oakland in the Beautiful Marriott Hotel Nov. 8, 1997 Nov. 29, 1997 COW PALACE Geneva and Santos in Daly City Nov. 22, 1997 Lower Level enter Gate 5 Dec. 13, 1997 Lower Level enter Gate 5 (Ticket Below) Cut Ticket Here>= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Name__________________________________________________ Address ________________________________________________ City ________________________ State _______ Zip ___________ Telephone ______________________________________________ Email address ___________________________________________ Age ___ Sex ___ Annual household income _____k$ Do you own a computer Y/N ____ Business use Y/N ___ Home use Y/N ____ Are you satisfied with your Internet service Y/N __ (Ticket Above) Cut Ticket Here>= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = +++++++++ WHAT YOU WILL SEE ++++++++++++++++++++++1273 B 1 ++++++ BUSINESS COMPUTER AND INTERNET USE If you use the computer or Internet at your company this is the place to learn about them and buy. 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Over 10,000 volumes are being sold at wholesale prices (20% off list) HUGE SELECTION --- 40 Companies bring their best selection of products and latest technology for you to see. BAY AREAS LARGEST COMPUTER SHOW FREE INTERNET SEMINARS -- These seminars will provide you with the latest information on Internet topics. Come and talk face to face with the technical people from the Bay Areas Premiere Internet Service Providers. LATEST TECHNOLOGY -- These shows bring you together with the manufacturers that are introducing the very latest advances in technology. EXPERT ASSISTANCE -- Are you tired of purchasing products from stores with clerks that have no product knowledge. Each of the vendors has personal knowledge of their products for immediate answers to your questions. +++++++++++ SEMINAR SCHEDULE +++++++++++++++1286 B ++++++++++ 10:30 Beginners Internet. - Everything you need to know to get started on the Internet. 11:30 Web Authoring.-How to build a web site using Microsoft Front Page 97. See live demos of web pages being built before your eyes. 12:30 Business Internet Use - Connecting your business to the Internet, ISDN, T1, Dedicated and dial up access, Connecting your office network to the Internet, Multiple Internet E-mail Accounts. 1:30 E-Commerce "Secure Financial Transactions" 2:30 Web Authoring.-How to build a web site using Microsoft Front Page 97. See live demos of web pages being built before your eyes. These seminars are presented by SLIP.NET for the computer show attendee at NO CHARGE. Join the Internet revolution. Attend to learn how. Looking forward to seeing you. 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An open invitation! *!
by make＠money.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

X-Info:Filtered Via The Remove List At http://www.antispam.org X-Info:Sent Using A Free Copy Of The Zenith Bulk Emailer INVITATION TO PARTICIPATE... - For easy reading, please maximize this window - NOTE... *** For those of you that don't have access to a server that allows you to bulk e-mail, I can give you a special gift. I know a url where you can get several different FREE software packages which will extract e-mail addresses from the internet and create mailing lists for you! I also have a list of FREE e-mail servers that allow you to send bulk mail! All you have to do to get them is to include a note asking me for "THE FREE E-MAIL SERVERS" and BE SURE TO ENCLOSE YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS WITH YOUR ORDER FOR REPORT # 1 *** I won't use up bandwidth with useless comments about this program, or testimonials from people you have never heard about before. We all know that multi-level-marketing is the wave of the future and that it is very easy to make a large amount of money in a very short time. I know, this is my second time using this program and I made well over $50,000 on my last attempt. Unfortunately, most people look at this type of program and toss it out, a very big mistake because they are also tossing out a chance to gain financial independance! This program contains all of the components necessary to make it a legal, multi-level-marketing program, a tangible product, a service, and a guarantee, so don't let someone fool you into thinking it's illegal, it's not! Plain and simple english... This Program Works! All it takes is a little of your time, a VERY small investment, and the will to succeed! Using the internet and e-mail, this program WILL make you a lot of money, and you can run through it again and again! *** For those of you that don't have access to a server that allows you to bulk e-mail, I can give you a special gift. I know a url where you can get FREE software which will extract e-mail addresses from the internet and create mailing lists for you! I also have a list of FREE e-mail servers that allow you to send bulk mail! All you have to do to get them is to include a note asking me for "THE FREE E-MAIL SERVERS" and BE SURE TO ENCLOSE YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS WITH YOUR ORDER FOR REPORT # 1 *** INCOME POTENTIAL This plan works on a Four-level or Tier MLM Program plan. This example that follows is quite conservative; however, you need to be aware that the numbers will change (probably upward) depending on the distribution amounts, the response rate of return, and the failure factor. The only numbers which are imperative for you to remember, and be able to match or exceed, are the number of orders received at Levels 1 and 2 (15 orders and 105, respectively). You must receive at least 15 orders for Report # 1, and 105 orders for Report # 2 for MATHEMATICALLY GUARANTEED SUCCESS. Here is a VERY CONSERVATIVE example of how this works. First, you and those following will each distribute 5,000 MLM Invitations to Participate in the program (what you are now reading). Second, the response rate of orders (future participants) is usually .003 (three in a thousand). Third, of those who respond with an order, $10, and the willingness to enter this program, 50% will for whatever reason not redistribute it. This is call the failure factor. The real number for these failures is closer to 30%, but remember you are being presented a very conservative example. So, you decide to give the program a TRY and enter at Level One and redistribute 5,000 new invitations which, at the return rate of .003 will provide you with 15 orders within 10 days to 2 weeks from future participants at $10 each, totaling $150 (instant return on your investment). Remember, we assumed 50% of the 15 new participants will fail to redistribute, so only 7 will send out the next 5,000 invitations (35,000 total). At Level Two, out of these 35,000 you should receive 105 (three in a thousand) orders within an additional 2-4 weeks at $10 totaling $1,050, and 52 new participants (half of the 105) will each send out the next 5,000 invitations for a new total of 260,000 prospects. >From these you will receive 780 orders at Level Three, increasing your income by $7,800. Then 390 (half of the 780) people will each distribute another 5,000 proposals, which will total 1,950,000 potential participants as you reach Level Four. With the .003 response rate there will be 5,850 new orders equaling $58,500 ! The total for all levels is $67,500. Not a bad return for sending out only 5,000 e-mail invitations. INVESTMENT The investment necessary to enter this program is $40 for the purchase of all 4 reports. This is a fixed cost of purchasing the four individual reports from preexisting Program Members at $10 each. Beyond this, the costs are variable depending on how you choose to redistribute the Program and the cost of reproducing the reports. Most certainly the order response from Level One will cover all costs even for the very aggressive participants. This is a very nominal investment for such a wonderful return. All those people you know who brag about all their investments, their portfolios, etc., would just die if they knew what you now know - that you can turn $40 into $67,500 or more in the NEXT FEW MONTHS! LEGALITY After careful study and legal consultations, there are 2 important points you should now and follow which keep this program perfectly legal and in compliance with US Postal and Lottery Laws. First, a product is being ordered by you and sold by the receiver of your order. Second, you need to request that your name be placed on the mailing list from whom you order so a service is also being performed. Title 18 Sections 1302 and 1341 of the US Postal and Lottery Laws specifically states " A product or service must be exchanged for money received." Also remember when you receive your orders you MUST fill them promptly, preferably the same day, with the Report being sold to comply with the law, and also to aid the new participants in future order procurement not just for themselves but also for you. GUARANTEE FOR SUCCESS The check points which GUARANTEE your SUCCESS and the optimal financial return for all participant members are simply these: 1. You must receive at least 15 orders for Report # 1 2. You must receive at least 105 orders for Report #2 This is easy, but it's an absolute must !!! No matter how many program invitations you chose to redistribute, if you don't receive the necessary 15 or more orders for Report # 1, keep sending more invitations until you receive the necessary 15 orders. The more you get, the more money you will make. This also applies for the 105 orders for Report # 2. Once you have received the necessary 105 or more orders for Report # 2, simply sit back, take a deep breath and relax because you are going to receive orders in excess of $67,500. This is a MATHEMATICALLY PROVEN guarantee. Of those who have participated in this program and reached the above minimum orders, all have reached or exceeded their goal. Just imagine what would happen if there was no failure factor, or if it were just lower than the calculated 50% ! The question is, do you really want to have $67,500 in your bank in the next few months? I am sure you do, so are you willing to give the program a TRY? You will never know if it works if you don't TRY....... Remember, if you want your ship to come in, you have to launch it first. The hardest part of this program is deciding to do it. Once you have taken that step then you need to decide how to get the 5,000 or more names with whom you want to share this program. There are many companies that will provide mailing lists with e-mail addresses. You have gotten lots of advertisements over e-mail offering bulk mail services....NOW MAKE THEM WORK FOR YOU !! *** WHAT TO DO *** "OK, I am of THREE IN A THOUSAND - I've decided this venture is worth $40.00. What do I do now? STEP # 1 - Purchase each of the four Reports by NAME and NUMBER, and request to be put on the mailing list (both street and e-mail addresses and important) to each seller. Do this by ordering one of the four Reports from each of the four names listed here after. For each Report send $10 CASH and a SELF-ADDRESSED, STAMPED ENVELOPE (Business size #10) to the person listed for the SPECIFIC REPORT. It is essential that you specify each Report ordered by name and number for each person to insure that you will receive all four Reports properly. You will need all 4 Reports because you will be REPRODUCING AND RESELLING them. Do not alter the names or the sequence of the name list in any way other than by what the instructions say. It is important for you to receive same day service on your orders, and you must also must also provide it to others when you receive orders. STEP # 2 - Put your name on the list prior to your distribution of the Program Invitations. In doing so it is imperative for everyone's success in this Program that you follow these instructions exactly. First, delete the person's name from Report # 4 position as they will be on their way to the bank. Second, move the name in the Report # 3 position into the open # 4 position. Third, move the name from Report # 2 spot into the # 3 position. Fourth, move the name from the Report # 1 position to the # 2 place. Finally, place your name and address into the Report # 1 position. When doing this, make certain to type the names and addresses accurately, and to not mix up the order of the names with each Report other than as how you have just been instructed. REPORT AND NAME LIST REPORT # 1 - "HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTI-LEVEL SALES" Order from: Rick Kowalski 617 Gateway Road, WPG., MB., Canada, R2K-2X8 REPORT # 2 - "MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND MULTI-LEVEL SALES" Order from: Sarah Glade 168 Harbison Ave. West, Winnipeg MB, Canada, R2L-0A4 REPORT # 3 - "INCREASING THE ODDS WITH MAILING LISTS" Order from: Department 2, LBK Marketing & Graphics, PO Box 351509, Jacksonville, FL 32235-1509 REPORT # 4 - "EVALUATING MULTI-LEVEL SALES PLANS" Order from : USI, 3400-L MacArthur Blvd., Santa Ana, CA 92704 REMEMBER! Order each report by name and number, and to include with the $10 cash a self-addressed, stamped envelope. DISTRIBUTION Having made the changes in the name list, save the new Program as a text file, using "Notepad" in Windows in its own directory to be used with whatever mass mail program you like. Report # 3 will give you some of the best methods for distributing this Program. Be creative! Who knows what your personal twist will produce! FULFILLMENT It is essential that the Reports you reproduce look like the originals - not copies of copies of copies. The more professional you keep your business the more so will those behind you. Always provide same day service. It's sound business and the sooner your buyers get started, the sooner you start counting your money. IN A NUTSHELL 1. Name your new MLM Company. You can use you own name if you desire. 2. Get a Post Office box if you can, as it is a preferred way of doing MLM. 3. Edit the names on the Program. Remember, your name goes into the Report # 1 position. The others move down one position with the fourth name being deleted. 4. Copy and save this program as it has become yours to reproduce for distribution via any and all methods you choose. Make certain it remains neat and legible. 5. Decide on the number of Programs you intend to distribute. The more invitations you send out, and the quicker you get them into the hands of other interested people, the more money you will make. 6. Decide on your methods of distribution and obtain as many e-mail addresses as possible to send to until you receive the information regarding mailing list companies in Report # 3. 7. Distribute the Program Invitations, and get ready to fill your orders. 8. Reproduce or copy each of the four Reports so you are ready to send them out as soon as you receive your orders. Remember, when you do, to keep them looking like originals and to always provide same day service. 9. Follow the program instructions exactly, but be as creative and aggressive as you can. THANK YOU for taking the time to read this. Now print it out, RE-READ IT and envision that new car, that vacation, that new house, or that quality education for your kids! Is it too good to be true? No, but it is too good to let slip through your fingers. Are you one of THREE IN A THOUSAND? Are you going to prove to yourself whether or not you can make alot of money in a short period of time by working smart? Are you willing to TRY? It is your decision. GOOD LUCK ! *** Important Message - Sent Using The Zenith Bulk Emailer *** *** For Your FREE Copy Of This Program - http://209.27.224.16 ***

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Minor Language Note
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Tim May wrote: >My main point was that James Dalton Bell has already spent nearly 7 >months in jail, and has yet to even be sentenced. While it was not Tim's intention to make Jim look like a criminal, the use of a defendent's full name is often used to connote criminality. Lee Harvey Oswald, John Wilkes Booth, John Wayne Gacy, Richard Milhous Nixon, William Jefferson Clinton... there are many examples. I propose we call Jim by the name he calls himself: Jim Bell. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNGi3i5aWtjSmRH/5AQGFEgf/VcTdGTAqLir3+aBSGPl+sO++KwtOtZca Kg5tqBo1LtC28oVR53mHt86sCaffHy7Rq8kVgycFVg9KArvvvQteUacKpVXfuGpr TbqALDb3+6n2W/wEym51wbtJxUF8Vjfd30arXaoXx2DxZkJymPv4CR6YSkfZQlzA d3bezJKYNxBFiKeXM/0x2CVxF3wVnA7DA93WiwVWwfcHQGw83G3iGeN3+MqumykV Ts5HDS+7DJ0KUndmvcFwGQpAozvM+fbiA1mKJDwh0PmJmECodGAeV5jFhGBhG2GG JC+wMAdHBmYtq/5fbBd7UAfvIQ3gqGPWqxSBLlousQyCd+72iMWOMg== =JS9d -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Databasix conspiracy theories
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Anonymous <anon(a)anon.efga.org> wrote: >My point being that a remailer operator has no way of knowing what >the ultimate effect of *any* filtering/blocking will be. (Unless you >read all of the email, like I do as the 'Bad Remailer' operator.) If you are going to run a remailer, you had better expect that some of the people who use it aren't going to be your friends. >It has been my experience that the 'Fear of Spam/Abuse' is beginning >to be the controlling factor in the usefulness, or lack thereof, of >an increasing number of remailers. And this has to be the lowest pressure attack on remailers that there can be. God forbid anybody should try for real to shut down the remailer network. This is understandable - running a remailer offers little tangible reward. On the other hand, if somebody were making $500,000 a year running a remailer, they might defend it a little more vigorously. And, if they didn't, somebody in the Carribbean might be happy to snap up the business. >I cannot help but feel that there has to be some simple ways of >addressing the spam/abuse issue without making the remailers a hit >and miss proposition for the average computer user. Here are two simple solutions: 1. charge hashcash 2. charge ecash. This eliminates the spam problem. It would probably reduce the harrassment problem as well. >e.g. - A stated policy of allowing only 'X' number of emails from the >same address/ISP per day--UCE spammers *could* work around this, but >they make money by speed and volume, not by farting around with >this-and-that. This is not a good idea. I like being able to pump a few megabytes a day through the remailer network to create cover traffic. Right now this would be an act of bad citizenship. But, if we were paying for remailer usage it would be a good thing. Good for me, good for the businesses I patronize. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNGk5K5aWtjSmRH/5AQGFOgf9ELMabax8dmxbyV6DKfcLcr4U2MP/fS+E xHPXpxbf05Tr36opYZCwhNDtZEcrzggaBTiJPSk2leOwz1RvancqnrwrArnh/90R /EyikfLiwKgp7KRc4xVUAdYkqnJMYR+dz7K6DGfkLNgTKE3iExDJJcZcMgxn+VI9 2YbM6X8dtdBcMptC2CNxZC5FS2md+bCsyw2GP3bt25tTyuv786X4rVkD/MyH2w4l JOk/WkjReler06OwHLWj0OMgypMPTdGjB8QMnkIxVinyd+E4+bJHh7UNdvf3GyF6 Did9Fj28aVmi8N1NTeW6GZQNoAMeE1QpCTW/+9fJRepy/LWy6QEE+g== =PjCz -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: PGP's SMTP enforcer and ISPs
by mark＠unicorn.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com wrote: >(Jon Callas recommends >using -----BEGIN ZZZ ENCRYPTED STUFF----- to avoid the PGP SMTP filters > :-) This is another bizarre issue in the whole CMR saga. PGP Inc are going to corporations and telling them that the SMTP enforcer will allow them to read all incoming email. Then they go out on the Net and tell people how to get around the system. Either their customers are as dumb as PGP appear to think, or the corporations will simply scrap CMR and just escrow keys in case people start taking PGP Inc's advice. Mark

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DOUBLING " your" PROFITS!
by justdoit＠ultra-mail.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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