December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

G7 to meet in Amazon [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > G7 TO MEET IN AMAZON TO REVIEW DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM > > G7 graphic October 25, 1997 > Web posted at: 8:03 p.m. EDT (0003 GMT) > > BRASILIA, Brazil (Reuters) -- Brazil and the Group of Seven > industrialized nations meet in the Amazonian capital of Manaus next > week to agree on the next stage of a program promoting sustainable > development in the rain forest. > > The annual meeting of G7 donors to the so-called Pilot Program > (G7-PP), administered by the World Bank, begins formally on Tuesday, > with Monday dedicated to presentations by Brazilian government > officials of projects in the Amazon. > > "When we speak of the future, that means completing and > consolidating current projects and thinking about Phase Two of the > G7-PP," Brazilian Environment Minister Gustavo Krause said. > > Starting six years ago, the program has given out $181.3 million of > a total of $250 million pledged to fund projects such as the > demarcation of Indian reserves and protecting fishing communities > from large-scale competitors. > > The rest is budgeted, one of the aims of the three-day meeting will > be to identify new sources of money and coax fresh funds out of the > participants -- Germany, the United States, the European Union, > Japan, Italy, the Netherlands, Britain and Canada. > > Germany has financed the bulk of projects, contributing 35 percent > of the total and even more as the principal economic power in the > European Union. > > The United States, despite spending pledges made by President > Clinton on a visit to Brazil earlier this month, lags in fourth > place, behind the EU and Japan. > > Environmental pressure groups said the most important aspect of the > meeting is a proposal to establish zones in the gigantic Amazon > river basin. Map of Brazil > > They say Pilot Program managers are resigned to the fact Brazil will > pursue large-scale infrastructure projects in the rain forest, > including paving a road from Manaus to Venezuela and river-widening > projects to boost soybean exports. > > "It seems important that the realities of the Amazon region and of > its political weight and significance must be taken into account if > effective conservation of at least a good part of the Amazon are to > be achieved," the World Bank's Rain Forest Unit said in a memo. > > The infrastructure projects basically correspond to what the bank > calls "development corridors" where the "objective is to increase > and geographically concentrate economic activity." > > Such corridors would be counter-balanced by "conservation corridors" > where biodiversity would be protected. > > In between, in so-called inter-corridor spaces, the Rain Forest Unit > suggests policies should make sure economic activity that preserves > as much of the forest as possible becomes more attractive than > clearing land for agriculture. > > A concrete task set by the officials meeting in Manaus is to decide > when Phase Two of the program will begin. > > They must also decide what type of transition is needed to blend > Phase One projects into a broader, cohesive program that fits into > the Brazilian government's plans for the region. > > Copyright 1997 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved.

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Orthogonal
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I believe the first definition for orthogonal is not the vector or Cartesian definition but rather from geometry. Where, for example, polygonal means a closed shape made up from many line segments, orthogonal means a closed shape made from line segments at right angles to each other. The simplest being the square. DeCarte used the concept of ortho- to describe the relationship between the axis of his measurement system, hence orthogonal. Strictly speaking orthogonal is a misnomer and should be orthometric or 'measurements at right angles'. I am interested in how orthogonal obtained its variety of other meanings. I run across it in linguistics, computer science, philosophy, etc. In most of them it means some sort of pure or simple relationship. Unfortunately I can't find any sort of description of how it got expanded this way. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: poverty traps (Re: Sa
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- -=> Quoting In:anon@anon.efga.org (Monty Cantsin) to Harka <=- In> The government is not Janice's friend. It takes away $18,000 In> from her each year and plunges her into poverty, sort of. If In> you are appealing to the government to assist Janice, first In> ask it to get the hell out of the way. (I realize you may In> just be saying that Janice's plight is unavoidable, not that In> she should be helped with government money.) Hmm, we all agree, that the government is not somebody to be trusted to be your friend. However, we also know the amount of laws possible to "violate" and the consequences that would have. And one of the worst things you can do is evading taxes. At least when they clamp down on you. Not something, I'd recommend to a mother of four kids (that she really doesn't want to give up to government-so-schill-workers). Jim Choate commented on that already, so I save further words. In> Janice should be baby sitting. Were she to take in 4 kids at In> $500/month, she would make as much as her job and be able to In> watch her own kids during the same time. True in short-term. But after 8 kids have been rummaging around in your apartment every day (even without licence and off-the-books and all that stuff) you can definitely expect to spend a couple of grands on repairs in a matter of a month. In> Telephone: $20/month In> Electricity: $40/month (?) In> Heat: $100/month (?) In> Food: $600/month (generous) In> Goodwill Clothes: $100/month (generous) In> Total: $860/month You obviously don't live in NYC (and don't have kids). It costs her alone six bucks a day just to get to work and back (with public transportation). In> The food is generous because four of the five are kids, the In> oldest only being 12. Kids don't each much. You're confirming my suspicion about not having kids :) In> Of course, there is no law that requires one to live in New In> York City. As a matter of fact there is. At least for her. She's _required_ by the divorce-court to live within a 60-mile-zone of her ex-husband and father of her kids (he's in the City too). For visitation-rights and all that (i.e. she can't move out of state without his approval or be charged with kidnapping, if she does it anyway). A thing applicable to probably hundreds of thousands of people (women mostly) in the US. And that alone limits one's "free choice of employers" quite severely. In> It seems pretty clear that making money was not her top In> priority. It's never been a secret that teachers are not top In> earners. I'm not seeing a description of somebody who really In> tried to make money in a serious way. Talking about freedom at the same time then is an oxymoron and you're confirming my "criticisms about the free market" (Yes Tim, I have re-considered my position without changing my perspective in the end). Capitalism in it's current form does not allow for individual freedom for most people (exceptions apply), because they have to make the money to be free (independent). If that requires doing for years, what you don't want to do (working in computers, although you hate them and all you really want to do is paint and live as an artist but can't afford to, for example), then that means by definition, that freedom has to be given up. At least temporarely and as mentioned before, that can be a _very_ long time for most people (who have been born into the "wrong" families, for example). In> Good for her. It sounds like Janice may have the strength of In> character to turn her situation around. Btw., I'll forward her all of the advice and suggestions everybody gave. Thanks for everybodies effort and consideration of the (for her personal) matter. Also, (violins or not :)) : It was not my primary intention to cause tears of compassion for Janices personal situation (a lot of people on and off the list have a rough time too to get on in life), but to introduce some realism into the discussion of "free choice of employers". Cypherpunks sometimes tend to become somewhat theoretical about things, neglecting the possibility, that it may not apply on a larger (real-life)scale. Pointing such things out I regard as a very important thing to the effectiveness of Cypherpunks-discussions and subsequent influence. The argument of an (for everybody) existing "free choice of employers", for example, should by now be seen as rather relativ, if not completely negated. Further it is a social issue of importance also for Cypherpunks. Obviously we don't want governments "taking care of people", but desire individual freedom, self-determination and independence instead. However, as proven such things are possible in the "free market" only to a limited degree, i.e not applicable by default to everybody, IMHO. Do I have a solution? Honestly, I don't and I wish I had. That doesn't prevent me from seeing (and pointing out) things, that I don't agree with when looking out the window or talking with friends, who are in a very different position than I might be in. If anybody _does_ have a solution, that enables _all_ people (regardless of background) to become truly free and also provides a realistic way to achieve that (for everybody), then I'll be more than happy to listen and to adjust my own perspective. Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* E-mail: harka(at)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail pref'd) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ ... "It is better to die on our feet than to live on our knees." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBNFNs/jltEBIEF0MBAQFfYwf9FthPQH1q3A66xWtMf/9NGfOf4Vn6JaY9 Gt/6nVCQ+nZJIRPP//9NwowOm7DcbEYMCKASHVEIGNyUtGuWpcf1wZxywlHJ/AEs d34/XwCYe9y/L/pIwk7RfN9aqr5pALw5FGAVPWQZiCyom8XuWSMcPrkEQxsctp99 Qs9cQ33fgBfvpydkM7l9ugkPs5eynycv/pHLvwym9BMl2jQxe4IiUqs1tNbjW8Er A3qM39bmU599GHF3kyvRy+w8ATC1oFg3qvFVx8DvH/856VgD0jRW0rAPhC2jOcYb NbgHADbw469uG7hVFQSY8ghN1aXCgGDJAI8Fih3OGfsgfm/ttdIU0Q== =r2F2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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Re: Orthogonality and Disaster Recovery
by David Sternlight 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dunno why I got this since I'm not on the cypherpunks list, but I found it interesting and worth responding to. (Tim--please repost to the list if my attempt to do so fails.) Robert Hettinga wrote: > > --- begin forwarded text > > X-Sender: tcmay(a)mail.got.net > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 13:52:05 -0700 > To: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Orthogonality and Disaster Recovery > Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > X-Loop: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > > One of the themes of modern computing I strongly support is that of > "orthogonality," or clean functionality. A browser should not also try to > be a money management program. A word processor should not also try to be > an accounting program. This is a sensible criterion when the functions are indeed independent. There are small leakages even there--thus an on-line money management program which can send inquiries about incomplete transactions to a bank and receive replies needs a small e-mailer and certainly an Internet interface. The argument has, however, become polarized for self-serving purposes by Microsoft. They have linked their Internet Explorer with the OS, claiming the desktop as the place of commonality. That permits them to require bundling of the two. They have apparently threatened vendors who don't bundle THEIR browser on the desktop with pulling their Windows license. They have refused to allow vendors to remove their browser icon from the desktop on grounds it then "doesn't present the complete 'Windows experience' to the user". What's next-integrating Word with the desktop to drive out competing word processors; integrating Access to drive out competing data bases. The matter is currently under challenge by the Federal government, whose definition of orgthoganality seems to be that a particular application has (in practice) or has had a separate market--been sold separately. > > Failure to observe this rule of thumb has led to spreadsheets which can run > MPEG movies in spreadsheet cells (I'm not kidding), and to Web browsers > which take 20 MB of free memory to run reliably because they also contain > mediocre news readers, mediocre mailers, and lots of bloatware cruft. Under the Federal definition as long as a news reader or a mailer have been sold separately they are separate product. But in this case there is important common functionality. Netscape Communicator integrates not only the mailer and newsreader, but provides a near-identical interface to the two and lists newsgroups as a continuation of your list of mail folders. The model feels a little artificial (and their newsreader doesn't yet have filters so it's inconvenient), but one can see some sense in it. Similarly, one often wishes to mail pages one is browsing. Integration of the mailer and the browser are thus quite convenient. It is true one can use the passing of events and the clipboard to do it with separate applications but that's both inelegant and a source of inefficiency and problems. The fundamental problem with the modular approach is configuration control and that is a big enough mess as it is with control panels and extensions, as any user can attest. A small industry has sprung up which reports inconsistencies there, and programs which test for such incompatibilities (and are quite time-consuming) also exist (at least on the Mac), illustrating the reality of the problem. In such cases strong central control and integrated operation is best. It is, in fact, the root of the Mac metaphor, where Apple's Human Interface Guidelines have forced a common user interface on all "Mac-like" applications, making for a short learning curve and the famous lack of a need to RTFM for most Mac applications. Windows has a long way to go but is heading in a similar direction (one hopes). Meanwhile, the "modular" approach of many Windows applications leads to remarks like anything other than changing a file name wiil likely require a reboot. (There's a grain of truth in every satire.) >Much of the strenght of Unix has obviously come from the > philosophy that a function or utility should do some small set of things > well and cleanly, with chaining of these clean tools to accomplish more > complicated tasks. It is also the reason why Unix is arcane, complex, and difficult for most novices and why poor imitations of Mac windowing and the Mac finder have sprung up. The value of Unix isn't that modularity. It is the robustness of the kernel. In fact modern operating systems use a Unix Kernet under a Mac-like user interface (Rhapsody, Be, etc.). > > A crypto program like PGP is intended to encrypt messages between a sender > and a recipient, or to provide authentication through signatures, or to > encrypt files on a storage medium. These are the classic, well-documented, > oft-discussed functions of crypto. Look in textbooks under "crypto" and > there won't be much talk of how to supply MIS with emergency backdoors, or > ways to monitor employees. This seems to be a defense of a major failing of PGP. Rather than being a complete package for a user function (encrypting and signing mail, for example) it is a pre- and post-processor which requires a separate mailer and newsreader. In fact this whole argument may be viewed as an attempt to defend that failing of PGP. The failing is understandable since Phil wanted to get something out there quickly and hadn't (and probably still doesn't have) the resources and talents available to do a complete PGP mailer/newsreader--much less be able to compete successfully with those who DO do such mailers and newsreaders. By the way, if one's world-view is PGP-centric there's another argument for combining a mailer and a newsreader--both need to be able to sign traffic and process signed traffic; to pass signed and perhaps encrypted files. > > If properly modularized and orthogonalized (so to speak), such crypto > programs can then be used as building blocks for other tasks, like > remailers, data havens, and so on. A defense of the obsolete, in my view. Like most "bright ideas" I believe this notion of modules and plug-ins will eventually collapse of its own interface management weight except in cases of both very tightly defined sandboxes, and open-ended/niche needs (such as in an OS or a do-everything text editor such as BBEdit) which the vendor hasn't the personnel and time to fill. Don't be misled by the need for such niche tweaks into thinking there's a fundamental principle at work here. > > But there is a growing tendency, as seen in the bloatware examples of > browsers and spreadsheets mentioned above, to throw in all kinds of "wish > list" and "wouldn't it be nice" stuff. PGP is headed for bloatware. ("It's > not just a crypto program, it's also a tax preparation and disaster > planning program!") Netscape has really been moving toward a multi-purpose Net/Web OS for some time. That's why it has a browser, mailer, newsreader, web page maker, conferencer, and push-traffic channel handler. If done well (there's the rub) it is both more convenient, more consistent of user interface, and more integrated, providing user benefits. It is true there are those who prefer some other module (Eudora or Claris e-mailer; Newswatcher) either out of habit or desire. To accommodate them Netscape has unbundled the browser. But that's simply an accomodation to a sub-market of relatively sophisticated users and not a mainstrem strategy. Remember that Netscape is used by about 25 million out there (give or take), and most of them haven't the time, patience or expertise to manage several non-integrated modules. They want another of the Mac's basic philosophical principles (regardless of OS platform)--plug and play. Here, too, Microsoft is just beginnning to catch up but that's the clear direction they're going in. > > I'm quite certain that the Security and MIS directors at various companies > asked PGP, Inc. to include message recovery features. Not so much to handle > the very rare (almost nonexistent) cases where a piece of mail sent at some > time in the past has to be recovered because Alice was hit by a truck, or > similiar unlikely events (*), but because Security and MIS folks would like > the option of "monitoring" e-mail traffic. Anyone who has been exposed to industrial espionage knows that one needs such features in a corporate environment, not only for micro-disaster recovery but also for investigatory purposes. > > (* I have heard no plausible scenarios under which transient > communications, which are presumably stored in the form composed > (plaintext) on the sender's machine or in the for received and read (also > in plaintext) on the receiver's machine, need to be recovered from the > *transit* state. We know why the FBI wants access to communications > keys--because access to the transit state is what they get when they > wiretap or sniff a communications line--but there is no plausbile > explanation of why a company would not simply ask Alice for the plaintext, > or ask Bob if for some reason Alice is unavailable. The idea someone > floated, that he needs to go in and decrypt his employee's mail in > emergencies is far-fetched. Not in any real company where much daily design, negotiation, and dynamic interaction exists only in e-mail until things are finalized by the attorneys or a design review board. > > But are such bloatware crypto programs even good for disaster recovery? I > say they are not. I say e-mail will be a tiny, tiny portion of the recovery > strategy if Alice gets hit by a truck, for example. Far more important will > be recovery of her hard disk and related files. And if Alice is a contract negotiator doing it via e-mail? There are many other examples where your assertions break down. > > (No, I am _not_ proposing anything be added to PGP to deal with this > disaster planning. Nor am I proposing that PGP enforce plaintext storage, > or anything else for that matter. These are all matters _orthogonal_ to the > basic function of a crypto program, and a crypto program cannot enforce > crypto hygiene any more than a spreadsheet can enforce good tax planning > hygiene.) A better example would be a money management program with a tax module. They are linked and one's money management strategies have tax consequences and vice-versa. You can always find inappropriate examples where little synergy exists, but there are plenty of examples where strong synergy DOES exist. See also my examples above. > > I am also not terribly interested in convoluted, byzantine schemes for > building "CDR" and such into crypto programs, as some are proposing. Again, > this is trying to make a crypto program into a disaster preparation > product, and trying to (partly) solve backup and disaster problems best > solved in other ways. Not something PGP should worry about (either the > program or the company). You are trying to refute a valid argument by labelling. The issue isn't labels such as "disaster recovery program" but functionality and synergy. You can always create distinctions that would try to make your case, but you do so only by ignoring other, important distinctions. I think this is enough to deal with the fundamental issue, so I'm going to pass on the rest of the side-issues such as "What if Alice forgets her key." The main issues dominate such side issues. David

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Another David Bohm book [non-crypto]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I know this isn't crypto related but several times David Bohm has come up in discussions relating to physics and various interpretations of Quantum Physics. Check out the essay collection: Quantum Implications: Essays in Honour of David Bohm ed. B.J. Hiley, F.D. Peat ISBN 0-415-06960-2 $19.95 Hiley collaborated with Bohm in his physics and co-authored The Undivided Universe, while Peat co-authored with Bohm the book Science, Order, and Creativity. 30 essays by: B.J. Hiley & F.D. Peat David Bohm E.P. Gross D. Pines A.J. Leggett R. Penrose T.D. Clark B. d'Espagnat J.P. Vigier, C. Dewdney, P.R. Holland A. Kyprianidis I. Prigogine, Y. Elskens Y. Aharonov, D. Albert J.S. Bell R.P. Feynman G.F. Chew H.P. Stapp C.W. Kilmister F.A.M. Frescura, B.J. Hiley D. Finkelstein P.R. Holland, C. Phillipidis H. Frohlich R. Rosen B.C. Goodwin M.H.F. Wilkins A. Ford K.H. Pribram G.G. Globus M. Ullman D. Shainberg J. Briggs R. Weber ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, plus lots of interesting links to remailer-related resources, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail. For more information, see: http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html For the PGP public keys of the remailers, finger pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{'cyber'} = '<alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord ?"; $remailer{"replay"} = "<remailer(a)replay.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"jam"} = "<remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek"; $remailer{"winsock"} = "<winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub reord ?"; $remailer{'nym'} = '<config(a)nym.alias.net> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"squirrel"} = "<mix(a)squirrel.owl.de> cpunk mix pgp pgponly hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{'weasel'} = '<config(a)weasel.owl.de> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"reno"} = "<middleman(a)cyberpass.net> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek reord ?"; $remailer{"cracker"} = "<remailer(a)anon.efga.org> cpunk mix remix pgp hash ksub esub latent cut ek reord post"; $remailer{'redneck'} = '<config(a)anon.efga.org> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"bureau42"} = "<remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org> cpunk mix pgp ksub hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"neva"} = "<remailer(a)neva.org> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub ?"; $remailer{"lcs"} = "<mix(a)anon.lcs.mit.edu> mix"; $remailer{"medusa"} = "<medusa(a)weasel.owl.de> mix middle" $remailer{"McCain"} = "<mccain(a)notatla.demon.co.uk> mix middle"; $remailer{"valdeez"} = "<valdeez(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"arrid"} = "<arrid(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"hera"} = "<goddesshera(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"htuttle"} = "<h_tuttle(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp hash latent cut post ek"; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu is _not_ a remailer. usura(a)replay.com is _not_ a remailer. remailer(a)crynwr.com is _not_ a remailer. There is no remailer at relay.com. Groups of remailers sharing a machine or operator: (cyber mix reno winsock) (weasel squirrel medusa) (cracker redneck) (nym lcs) (valdeez arrid hera) This remailer list is somewhat phooey. Go check out http://www.publius.net/rlist.html for a good one. Last update: Thu 23 Oct 97 15:48:06 PDT remailer email address history latency uptime ----------------------------------------------------------------------- hera goddesshera(a)juno.com ------------ 5:03:45 99.86% nym config(a)nym.alias.net +*#**#**### :34 95.82% redneck config(a)anon.efga.org #*##*+#**** 2:00 95.44% mix mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com +++ ++++++* 19:18 95.27% squirrel mix(a)squirrel.owl.de -- ---+--- 2:34:19 95.16% cyber alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net *++***+ ++ 11:26 95.11% replay remailer(a)replay.com **** *** 10:06 94.93% arrid arrid(a)juno.com ----.------ 8:50:34 94.41% bureau42 remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org --------- 3:38:29 93.53% cracker remailer(a)anon.efga.org + +*+*+*+ 16:32 92.80% jam remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca + +*-++++ 24:14 92.79% winsock winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net -..-..---- 9:59:18 92.22% neva remailer(a)neva.org ------****+ 1:03:02 90.39% valdeez valdeez(a)juno.com 4:58:22 -36.97% reno middleman(a)cyberpass.net 1:01:28 -2.65% History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. ek Encrypt responses in reply blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. mix Can accept messages in Mixmaster format. reord Attempts to foil traffic analysis by reordering messages. Note: I'm relying on the word of the remailer operator here, and haven't verified the reord info myself. mon Remailer has been known to monitor contents of private email. filter Remailer has been known to filter messages based on content. If not listed in conjunction with mon, then only messages destined for public forums are subject to filtering. Raph Levien

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Click HERE for Boy Sex
by secret＠nsa.fbi.cia.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

An interesting anti-censorship experiment is currently taking place on Usenet. It's ingredients: One Libertarian-minded California ISP named InterBBS which provides a variety of services to various pay XXX Web sites, for resale to their customers, including an uncensored, unfiltered, and unexpurgated newsfeed, which InterBBS is protected by Common Carrier status from liability for the contents of. A nifty piece of software, recently added to InterBBS, which runs something called "newspix", a web-based interface to Usenet binaries pictures groups, pre-decoded and cross-referenced for your instant point-and-clicking pleasure. A guy named "Dave", a customer of InterBBS, who is reselling the services of InterBBS through a pay boy pictures site, including web access to a number of boy-related erotica newsgroups, whose content neither Dave nor InterBBS controls. Dave is very careful to tell us that it is imperative that we not download anything which would be illegal according to our community standards, and that if we "unknowingly" do so, we should delete it immediately. InterBBS, and its lawyers, maintain that their decoded neatly indexed web-accessible Usenet pictures service enjoys the same immunity for its content due to their Common Carrier status as the raw newsfeed does, and of course, they wouldn't think of keeping records on which customers read which Usenet articles. The owner of InterBBS is Marlin Schwanke, who also runs *CENSORED*.com, and is well known for giving bandwidth to persecuted causes. The net effect of all of these things coming together is that there now exists convenient pseudoanonymous web access to all boy-related child porn pictures posted to Usenet, for a small fee you may bill monthly to the credit card of your choice. This new service has caused a huge rift amongst Net Boylovers, who believe that even if this operation is technically legal, and protects the confidentiality of its customers, that such conspicuous promotion of locations on Usenet where illegal material is very likely to be found, and facilitating its easy access to the non-technically minded for profit, is not in anyones best interests. For Further Reading: http://boypics.com/newspix.html (Dave's Naughty Pix) http://www.ivan.net/bc/messages/38850.htm (Marlin Answers His Critics) http://www.interbbs.com/ (InterBBS home page) Surely the Feds are not going to take this lying down. :) Will Marlin and Dave be dragged to Tennessee or Utah to face trial in front of a bunch of inbred jurors? Will yokels from the cast of "Deliverance" in the courtroom audience squeal like pigs when the words "10 year old erect penis" are mentioned? Will Dave get a cell next to Robert Thomas of AA BBS fame? Will Reno and Freeh engage in unnatural sex and have a deformed cow? Is this the technology that will finally drive Officer Mike "Sewer Site" Paladino to take his own life? Stay tuned for the next episode of "Boy Pics from Dave." --BoySexMonger

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17 Dec '03

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Choices
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Both Monty Cantsin and WHGIII have commented upon current personal conditions being the result of one's past choices (leading up to it). While I agree from a mere causal viewpoint, on a personal level I would like to point out a few things nevertheless: We can take as given, that everybody's life is a stream of decisions or choices. We make 'em to the best of our ability as we go along in life. However, having a choice in matters does not imply the guarantee of making the _right_ choices. In fact, even society acknowledges that fact by making certain choices available only after a certain point in life, such as voting, marriage, driving, drinking etc.etc on the ground, that making such decisions requires a certain level of insight and maturity. But there's _still_ no guarantee for making right choices even after the "magical" age of 18 (or 21). The only thing one can do is to gather enough information in order to make the best choice based on available information and conditions _known_ to you _at that time_. And here's also the catch. By making a certain choice, one does usually _not_ choose the consequences of his/her actions consciously! In fact, the possible consequences may not even be foreseeable, predictable or expected in any way! One does not drive a car with the previous conscious knowledge of crashing it and living in a wheelchair ever after. One does not climb Mt. Everest with the expectation of perishing in a snow-storm. One does not start using PGP based on the prediction, that your key will be GAK'ed at some point. Let's take the example of Janice one more time (violins for Monty:)) : certainly her decision to get married and have 4 kids was her personal and free choice at that time. But it was not foreseeable nor expectable for her, that her husband would take off after a while for another chick, leaving her with the kids and a bunch of bills to pay! Thus she married him and later did what every wife would do: supporting him while he went to school instead of keeping the money for herself as a backup-cushion in case he leaves. Is that really so out of the ordinary a choice?? But even if one is able to make fairly good decisions overall in life: you may not have previous conditions necessary to make certain choices. If you're born into a poor family, who just can't afford to send you to College, how much of a choice to study will you have in that event? More likely is, that you'll have to work and aid in the support of the family instead of going to College. But are you to be held responsible for the conditions that you are born into or grow up under? Clearly not. As you go along in life, one's personal ability to influence your surroundings, conditions and overall life increase (with right effort). But to expect everybody to be able to make certain choices in a certain (right) way, or even expecting those choices being available, is not based on the realities of life but a mere projection from _your_ reality onto "theirs". So is the statement of "screw 'em all" (if they weren't able to make certain choices for reasons we don't know about). Not only does it lack basic notions of humanity, such as caring for other people, but also devalues the human ability to learn and change. Just because you were young and careless (out of lack of understanding at that time) or you were born in a slum in Rio de Janeiro (or NYC) shouldn't mean, that you should still get "screwed" for it when you're fifty or you now deserve the dis-respect of society and no chances anymore. You may have never had them... While technically it is probably correct to say, that current conditions are caused by previous actions (different people have different expressions for that: karma, choices, fate etc.), there's no justification for suffering and certainly none for watching it passively and saying "they deserve it", IMHO. But then this is also a valid choice one can freely make. You just have to live with the consequences of it :) Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* E-mail: harka(at)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail pref'd) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ ... "Of course I care about other people...I watch CNN!" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBNFOmJjltEBIEF0MBAQHsKwf/Sh6IWC0UCvSiWAQsTcmDqyw4k6v7AuIg z0IlsrcSbpkBA0c3q2ghaq2TfqFIfOgSIIFr8FKK2Za3erIp6yPfcvc8V+7Lwg70 r7tnBM0janv/3j9asehV4PxiXtghQIZOxqL+14yzKgCHGzYkDglIzMmOBOcz2xrQ lziiPMirHzOii06PJ0daBwhxhqva4zw2m6fWnqdkMfr2/mNZ8/39Y8juCqG6AeSs /WP4D4cpXP581ldHskRMkTvYZEEN6IjnRU9PwWbYvSikU61Y7LXTaD4H39N4Xr2V LYx0AdvAmaOC4H3f/8tU29AkAMFgsVGn3moKzG2FE6frFlbG3L1HPg== =XB87 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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Choices
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

You are What you do When it counts The Masao ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Ohio registers Trick-or-Treaters [CNN] [Politics]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > OHIO TOWN REQUIRES TRICK-OR-TREATERS TO BE LICENSED > > Graphic October 26, 1997 > Web posted at: 4:29 p.m. EST (2129 GMT) > > BRIDGEPORT, Ohio (CNN) -- The Bridgeport City Council, fearing too > many out-of-town children would descend on the community for > Halloween, is requiring trick-or-treaters to have a license to ask > for candy this year. > > Kids age 14 and under who register with the city will be given an > orange sticker to wear in order to receive goodies. Bridgeport has > also moved Halloween celebrations from Friday to Thursday to avoid > busy Friday night traffic. > > While Police Chief William Fraser is going along with the sticker > plan, he and his officers won't be out looking for unlicensed > goblins. After all, there won't be a penalty for not having a > sticker. > > The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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Re: Click HERE for Boy Sex
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

secret(a)nsa.fbi.cia.org writes: [And to think I almost deleted this without reading it, presuming it was SPAM] > InterBBS, and its lawyers, maintain that their decoded neatly indexed > web-accessible Usenet pictures service enjoys the same immunity for > its content due to their Common Carrier status as the raw newsfeed > does, and of course, they wouldn't think of keeping records on which > customers read which Usenet articles. Didn't the feds raid some company right here in Texas a while back, called NetPics, for providing decoded Usenet pictures via a Web interface? As I recall, NetPics got raided even though they tried to filter out child porn, and had all of their equipment seized. One hesitates to even think of what the feds will do to someone who is deliberately offering only decoded boysex newsgroups over the Web, but it will undoubtedly involve sharpened castration shears and lots of really bad publicity. > The net effect of all of these things coming together is that there > now exists convenient pseudoanonymous web access to all boy-related > child porn pictures posted to Usenet, for a small fee you may bill > monthly to the credit card of your choice. Providing the Feds haven't already taken it over, killed everyone associated with it, and decided to run it as a sting. Of course, this is an interesting legal question. Clearly, offering raw Usenet content the ISP doesn't originate absolutely shields the ISP from responsibility for the material, under current telecommunications law. The unanswered legal question is whether processing the raw news feed in some way, such as would be needed to provide web access to decoded pictures, also enjoys the same protection. It would seem that automatic transcoding of Usenet, in a way which is not content sensitive, should not be considered the origination of new content. On the other hand, the Feds are hardly going to sit still for a URL which, when clicked upon, fills ones browser screen with hundreds of thumbnails of blond pre-teen Scandinavian boys in mid-orgasm, with a legend which reads - "Click on thumbnail to get full-sized picture." And all for only $6 a month. > http://www.ivan.net/bc/messages/38850.htm (Marlin Answers His Critics) This guy has elephant-sized balls. I wish him well in his quest to push the envelope. Certainly a lot more interesting than Prof. Bernstein and that Snuffle thing. :) > Surely the Feds are not going to take this lying down. :) "If it saves only one child..." -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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Re: NAMBLA embattled -- mirror sites?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Declan writes: >Folks on f-c and cypherpunks have mirrored holocaust revisionist web >pages, banned books, and censored newspapers. Now I understand that NAMBLA >is in danger of losing its home on the web. Anyone up for mirroring the >(text-only) publications of perhaps the world's most controversial >organization? Nah, I'll pass on this one. If the membership list is included, I'd be glad to forward it to my local police, though... I'm not sure the right to free speech includes the right to endorse guys fucking little boys, whether they give it a moniker like "transgenerational love" or not. Any sex with a minor is rape, since they can't legally give consent. All Hillary Klinton's "It Takes A Village" bullshit aside, I can't see giving NAMBLA the same kind of protection as someone like Zundel. Ratbert

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Republic of Texas seperatist go on trial [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > TRIAL SET FOR REPUBLIC OF TEXAS SEPARATISTS > > > > ALPINE, Texas (Reuters) - Texas separatists who held off police in a > seven-day armed standoff in May before surrendering are to go on > trial this week on charges of engaging in organized criminal > activity. > > Republic of Texas "ambassador" Richard McLaren and three of his > followers could face up to 99 years in prison if found guilty of the > first-degree state felony charges. > > McLaren and his bodyguard Robert "White Eagle" Otto are facing trial > together, as are Gregg and Karen Paulson, a married couple who also > joined the Republic of Texas group. > > All four defendants claim that Texas was illegally annexed by the > United States in 1845 and that neither state or federal courts have > jurisdiction over them. > > Prosecutors allege McLaren and his followers are common criminals > who used the rhetoric of Texas independence as a cover for > fraudulent schemes aimed at taking property away from individuals > and businesses. > > McLaren, his wife and several other Republic members also face > separate federal fraud and conspiracy charges for allegedly issuing > $1.8 billion in bogus financial warrants. > > Copyright 1997 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved.

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Re: Orthogonal (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 16:33:58 -0800 > From: Kent Crispin <kent(a)bywater.songbird.com> > Subject: Re: Orthogonal > The first context where I am aware of this use of the term orthogonal > is from language design -- it was promoted by Niklaus Wirth and other > purists, with languages like Pascal, Modula, CLU, and so on. Larry > Wall's "perl" language, with its slogan "there's more than one way to > do it", is a direct revolt against the language purists. > > The basic idea is that a computer language should have the minimum > number of constructs necessary to span the intended application. So > for example, you don't provide hyperbolic trig functions, because the > user can implement them using simpler math functions. On the other > hand, you do supply commonly used math functions that would otherwise > require iterative algorithms. > > I do believe the use of the term this way was inspired by the > notion of a 'basis' in a vector space -- a set of orthogonal > vectors that span the space, ideally, unit vectors. Can you better define the term 'basis'? I can see the union 'build complicated things out of basic building blocks' and the use of Occam's Razor (I'm as lazy as any other programmer) but fail to see how this maps to anything relating to the concept of orthogonal. Which clearly doesn't have any inherent minimalist cast. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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cryptographic anecdotes
by Julian Assange 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm involved in producing a segment on cryptograpic issues for Radio National (ABC) to be aired latter this week. I have no problems with the technical issues but could use some (reliable) "colour" i.e small quirky or unusual anecdotes that will draw in and hold the larger order of listeners who don't otherwise have any cryptography/ cryptographic-policy background. e.g o RSA export-a-crypto-system .sig o algorithm tatoos (couldn't find any confirmation of this :() o if cryptography is arms, then US constitution right to bear arms o programming languages embody freedom of speech (patel) o (otoh) machine-understandable languages are not protected speech: as soon as a computer can understand Ulysses it's no-longer protected. (I'm not sure about Ulysses but Oracle and the computational linguistics groups at Edinburgh and MIT have code to perform summaries of the King James bible). Cheers, Julian. -- Prof. Julian Assange |"Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your | Ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down proff(a)iq.org | people's throats." proff(a)gnu.ai.mit.edu | -- Howard Aiken

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Re: NAMBLA embattled -- mirror sites?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous wrote: > I'm not sure the right to free speech includes the right to endorse guys > fucking little boys, whether they give it a moniker like "transgenerational > love" or not. Any sex with a minor is rape, since they can't legally give > consent. All Hillary Klinton's "It Takes A Village" bullshit aside, I can't > see giving NAMBLA the same kind of protection as someone like Zundel. > > Ratbert I am being in agreement with Mr. Ratbert, here. I am seeing the writing of women in your country who write about the showing of their bare legs and the uncovering of their faces and I am thinking that this also should not get the protection of being able to write about such abominations. And making the rape with minors is also an abomination, unless you have bought them from their families, and then it is OK that you should write about it. I am stoning to death just last week a man who raped a ten year old girl without paying any dowry, and people should not write about this either. I would like to meet some cypherpunks girls with their faces uncovered sometimes, but just for the evening, OK? Mr. Ratali

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Re: Orthogonality and Disaster Recovery (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 18:03:16 -0800 > From: David Sternlight <david(a)sternlight.com> > Subject: Re: Orthogonality and Disaster Recovery > > Do all E-Mail vendors need to be cryptologist?? > > If the client's e-mail is to be secure, yes. But let's be accurate here. I absolute agree we need to be accurate. To that end, it is not the applications that need security but rather the network and session layers. > > Do all cryptologist need > > to be application vendors?? Obviously not. > > Now that IS nonsensical because cryptology is a wide and deep art only a small > part of which has to do with mail applications themselves. In contrast, mail > applications to be secure must use encryption. There's some very muddy > thinking going on in your post. He said 'application vendors', not just mail. Pay attention to the details of the argument and quit trying to change the subject without specificaly noteing the change, otherwise known as a strawman. His muddy thinking doesn't stand alone. > > PGP is a tool much like a > > database is. The majority of vendors who develop apps that require a > > database do not go out and write their own, rather they use a database > > engine that is suited to their needs. > > Except for the occasional password protection, databases don't need encryption > to the extent e-mail does. I work everyday with the NSA, CIA, Dod, Army, SAIC, all the phone companies, many of the major banks, Intel, Human Genome Project, etc. Every one of these folks would disagree with you. In fact it was one of the motivating factors behind Tivoli comming out with their new Security Management application because vendors required us to move away from our custom databases and toward industry standards (Oracle, Sybase, Informix, DB2, DBMX, etc.) *AND* at the same time requiring a better security mechanism than the existing one we use (DES & Kerberos based). The reality of the market does not support your thesis. > You miss the point here. And you miss the many worked examples. RSA is selling > lots and lots of toolkits for lots and lots of money for in-line integration > into applications, not for pre- and post-processing. The former is the way to > go; the latter a kludge until something better comes along. Are they involved with the new Cryptographic Standard projects of the government and Tivoli - IBM? I don't think so, at least I still haven't seen them involved in any of the work I have had access to so far; much to my own personal disappointment. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Orthogonal (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 19:13:12 -0800 > From: Kent Crispin <kent(a)bywater.songbird.com> > Subject: Re: Orthogonal (fwd) > > > I do believe the use of the term this way was inspired by the > > > notion of a 'basis' in a vector space -- a set of orthogonal > > > vectors that span the space, ideally, unit vectors. > > > > Can you better define the term 'basis'? > > This is basic linear algebra: > > V a vector space -- the set of all (s1,s2,s3,...,sn), where si is an > element of the set of reals. Actualy si (scalars) can be rational, real, or complex. It is also possible to use more general structures such as fields. [1] Note that complex numbers numbers may be used, in other words a vector can be used to multiply another vector. > A set of vectors {v1,v2,...,vm} in V is A vector of vectors, and you haven't even really defined vector yet...:( > linearly independent if there is no set of scalars {c1,c2,...,cm} with > at least one non-zero element such that sum(ci*vi) == 0 Are you saying: (c1*v1)+(c2*v2)+...+(cn*vn) <> 0 where at least one ci is <>0, is some sort of test for membership in a vector space? What about, (1/c1*v1)+(-1/c2*v2)+(0*v3)...+(0*vn) = 0, 1 -1 if so it should be clear that except for the case of c=0 there is always a way to take two, which is clearly more than one, of the scalars and cause the sum to be zero. Now if you have a single non-zero scalar multiplier then it seems reasonable that you can create such a structure that is always <>0. > A set of > vectors S spans In other words 'are expressible in'? > a vector space V iff every element of V can be expressed > as a linear combination of the elements of S. ^^^^^^^^^^^ Need to better define this one. The operations that are applicable to a vector space are: [1] 1. Associative law of addition: (x+y)+z = x+(y+z) 2. Commutative law of addition: x+y=y+x 3. Existance of zero: x+0=x for all x in V 4. Existance of inverses: x+(-x)=0 5. Associative law of multiplication: a(bx)=(ab)x 6. Unital law: 1*x=x 7. First distributive law: a(x+y)=(a*x)+(a*y) 8. Second distributive law: (a+b)*x=(a*x)+(b*x) where x is of the form 'asubn(x^n)+bsubn-1(x^n-1)+...+asub1x+asub0' This is a remarkably circular definition to present. In clearer wording; The set of vectors S is expressible in a vector space V iff S is contained in V. While this may be a requirement or test for membership in a vector space (as used below) it doesn't qualify as a definition. > Finally, a basis for > V is a linearly independent set of vectors in V that spans V. A > space is finite dimensioned if it has a finite set for a basis. The ^^^ set of what? > standard basis (or natural basis) for a vector space of dimension n > is th set of vectors > > (1,0,0,...0) > (0,1,0,...0) > (0,0,1,...0) In other words, any 'vector' can be expressed as the sum of the multiplication of unit elements by some set of scalars. Is this definition something you just wrote or would you be so kind as to give the reference if it isn't. This definition uses 'basis', doesn't define it. You can't use a term to define the term, it's called circular reasoning. My question still stands, can you please better define 'basis'. Or is your claim that basis is simply a way of stating 'elements of unit magnitude'? Furthermore, a definition of vector space has nothing to do with orthogonal measurement systems, it does have to do with polynomials. It just so happens that this sort of geometry shares the same sort of rules, that doesn't make them the same thing. There is nothing in your description, in particular the nifty little (*,*,*,...*)'s that implies any sort of measurement system based on line-segment axis that are 90 degrees apart, merely that there is more than one variable (ie x,y,z,...a) involved. Vector space - a vector space is a set of objects or elements that can be added together and multiplied by numbers (the result being an element of the set), in such a way that the usual rules of calculations hold. [1] ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________| [1] The VNR Concise Encyclopedia of Mathematics Gellert, Kustner, Hellwich, Kastner ISBN 0-442-22646-2 17.3 Vector spaces pp. 362 [Hallowen Trivia] 'Dracula' is a word derived from 'dracul' meaning dragon and was given to Vlad Tepish, whose name means 'son of the devil', he was further known as Vlad the Impaler because he would impale people on poles and place them along the roads in Transylvania. When he died in 1496 his head was impaled on a stick as well.

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Re: poverty traps (Re: Sa (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: poverty traps (Re: Sa (fwd) > Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 23:40:15 -0600 (CST) > From: ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) > Jim Choate wrote: > > > Food: $600/month (generous) > > > > Hell, I'm single and come close to this and food costs in Texas are a LOT > > lower than in New York. Though I do eat out at lunch every weekday. And no, > > I don't go partying regularly at all. Way too busy with work (>16hrs/day > > 5 days a week & 16-20 on weekends) to do that other than a couple of times a > > month. I went to the store today and bought enough food for 4 days and it > > cost me $30. So that comes to something like $250 - $300 for me not counting > > lunches, and that's for just a single person. Multiply that for 6 and the > > numbers are considerably higher. > > Oh my Gawd! And I thought I was spending too much on food! I guess the > prices in OK are the same as in TX. >From the times I have been in Oklahoma (my family is ensconced along the Red River - Murphies, Joneses, Peoples, etc.) I would say the costs are about the same. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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DoS
by Robert A. Hayden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This was forwarded to me in house. Just FYI. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:38:28 -0600 From: Chris Silker <csilker(a)means.net> MCI RELEASES FREE DENIAL OF SERVICE TRACKER SECURITY TOOL MCI has released an interesting piece of software called the Denial of Service Tracker (DoS). The security program helps track the source of denial of service attacks, which aim to overload a target computer system to the point that it's unusable for anything else. According to MCU, the DoS Tracker works against SYN, ICMP flood, bandwidth saturation, and concentrated source attacks, and is currently being modified to detect other DoS-based attacks, including a new attack called the Smurf. The info, a free download, and all the technical information is at the site. A must have for sysops. <http://www.security.mci.net/dostracker> =-=-=-=-=-= Robert Hayden rhayden(a)means.net UIN: 3937211 IP Network Administrator http://rhayden.means.net MEANS Telcom (612) 230-4416

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PGP 5.5 available outside US
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It seems that unknown Cypherpunks have yet again shown their disrespect of US export laws by exporting the latest version of PGP. The Windows version of PGP 5.5 is now available for your downloading pleasure at ftp://ftp.replay.com/pub/crypto/incoming/PGP55.zip PGP 5.5 features superior LDAP keyserver integration, multiple signature categories, and automatic decryption (set Preferences -> Email -> Automatically Decrypt). "You heard the rumors. Now try it yourself." :-) -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to> PGP encrypted email preferred. "Tonga? Where the hell is Tonga? They have Cypherpunks there?"

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Mmphmmphmmmph! (WAS Re: I Broke PGP!!!)
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

That was the sound of me eating crow. Although I am a closet reader of the True Story of the Internet series I am generally perturbed by the many of the inane Truthmonger posts to the list. I had decided several days ago to make a small apology to Truthmonger for some of my more emotional attacks on him (or her) but I put it off and put it off. I decided not to put it off after reading the following: Six wrote: > Bonus Question: "Who is TruthMonger #1?" > Bonus Answer: "He's Randall Farmer's best friend." That is _exactly_ what I thought when I read Randalls whining post about how Truthmongers rudeness might necessitate Randall instituting security and identity procedures that would enable others to verify whether a digitally signed message was indeed from himself. When I saw Tokoyo Rose echoing my thoughts then I thought I should take the trouble to point out what I myself learned from Truthmonger. [Although I am not certain if it is the same one.] I made the mistake of informing several people that the exercise that was suggested in Epiloge 5? of Infowar was bullshit but when I tried it it spit out my secret key like a hot damn much to my surprise. So I owe Truthmonger an apology but it will not be a public one. [Very few of you would know me anyway since I am mostly a list lurker.] The reason I will not make a public apology is because I also had PGP spit out the secret keys of my boss and coworkers. Although I am not a bad person in general possession of these keys is making me begin to think like Truthmonger. I will probably just test whether I can indeed password break them and use them to decipher a few files and then erase my copy of them. [Maybe.] [Maybe I should make my .sig line "Beware of Truthmonger inside!"] I did a search for the post that Tokoyo Rose talked about Truthmongers nephew adding things to Truthmongers email and found: > Also, as a 'teaser', I would like to announce to one and all that > the quickly closing saga of 'InfoWar' will include an epilogue > chapter titled, "I Broke PGP," written by myself. > Believe it or not, I speak the truth, although not in a way that > it direct and obvious. > If you think I am bullshiting, then stop washing your asshole, > starting today, because if you can show me I am wrong, I will kiss > your ugly, hairy ass. > > Love and Kisses, > TruthMangler After looking at other posts that have Truthmangler in them instead of Truthmonger I think that it might be a sign that the nephew is messing with them since they seem to have things inserted in them which appear to come more from a childs mind than Truthmongers. [If that is possible.] (;>) I would be interested in finding out if other people have been able to get secret keys using the method described in the Infowar book. We are using PGP 2.6.3i. I wonder about other versions. Croweatingmonger

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