December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: New PGP "Everything the FBI ever dreamed of"
by Bill Frantz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:52 AM -0700 10/3/97, Robert Hettinga wrote: >Comments? > >From: Martin Minow <minow(a)apple.com> >"The new version also includes some of the most sophisticated techniques >for enforcing this policy through the corporation. The most novel may be a >new version of software controlling a company's SMTP server, the machine >that acts as the central mailroom for a corporation. PGP provides a >software agent that will read all of the mail to make sure that it complies >with the corporate policy. This may include requiring all messages to be >signed with digital signatures or include a backdoor that the management >can use to read the message. If the software agent discovers a message >violates the policy, it can either return it to sender or simply log a copy. I wonder if it can handle the following: (1) Encrypt real message (e.g. use PGP or Entrust). (1a) Strip the headers. (2) UUEncode the message. (3) Encrypt the message with the corporate system including CAK. (4) Send it thru the SMTP server. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Internal surveillance | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | helped make the USSR the | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | nation it is today. | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: Sameer Parekh and C2Net offer a $50,000 reward for the killing of Zionist Vulis
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous wrote: > Allah akbar! God is great! Sameer Parekh and C2Net have placed a $50,000 > contract on the life of the miserable Zionist Dimitri Vulis residing at: > 67-67 Burns St > Forest Hills, NY 11375 > U.S. of A. > Sameer Parekh is the official supplier of cryprographic software to the > Palestine Liberation Organization and Hamas. This would explain the "Infidel Inside!" sticker on the Stronghold software packaging. > Death to the Zionist aggressors! Death to Vulis! God is great!

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Transmission Management
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Lucky Green wrote: >And PGP's Policy Enforcer has another side to it: have you ever >forgotten to encrypt email that should have been encrypted? I >have. With the Policy Enforcer installed, that can't happen. Which >may well save big hassles in the future. (This feature is independent of the GAK aspects of the product.) It's probably a good idea to set up your mailer so that it discourages transmission of unencrypted mail. This could be as simple as a sequence of questions: "Do you want to do this?", "Do you really want to do this?", and "Are you absolutely one hundred percent sure that it is a good idea to put this message on tape at Fort Meade for eternity?" But, you could make more amusing warnings. For example, the mailer could convert your message into a front page article for the New York Times and show you what it will look like. Agencies which handle encrypted communications typically track every message sent. We should do the same thing. Most people probably do this in an informal way, but really slick tools for doing this would have their uses. This is especially true when managing an identity. Not only would it be nice to track every transmission in a nice easy to assess way, but also track exactly how it was transmitted, the precise time of transmission, and the remailers used to deliver it. This raw information would be neat to have, but it wouldn't get really useful without an analysis tool. For instance, you could see how much your identity depends on the security of certain remailers. If you use one remailer in your chains a lot, you might want to have something which warns you that you are becoming overly dependent on that remailer. Or, you might want to run "what if" scenarios to see if you would be vulnerable if a particular set of remailers were compromised. If the analysis tool were really good, it would hunt for weaknesses based on known remailer attacks. And, naturally, for proper identity management it would be important to keep a running score for the odds that each identity were compromised and by which threats. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNDh0V5aWtjSmRH/5AQFyFwf+OhIbig7B/njU1yTlDdIuBHs3jpYyH6Ol /+Cjk9X2MbFkYGec3vm8muf1alGI/8ZH+NV73cXry1rN8FqdIY/eoJX5OoRhTQpa ajQFNnSaufbY2xgx45o7S+jFCFGaasInjsvl7q78iH8JL2seXgG3t7HNsK/SZOqD lZynyUqCaVssiSTkDHiZx72TUPJbhUCOvkoKdiy5evQlN7PPyKNmajB9INbzin7z qKqfyyHyFR+Gu618IojassyZ9wuEzbjMStTRMf8TGOo8yJWaH0+W7KX9JHVF3Zdv EjINSw7EBxMAOk83AY9YP0nuLJnwaEoloKifX6D+MmQ+Jx9Js2ocuA== =HUZ7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Unicorn an NSA agent? WAS: New PGP "Everything the FBI ever dre
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Black Unicorn wrote: >Remember when the phone company used to lease you your phone? Surely >that doesn't make the data that goes over the phone their property? >If my doctor calls me at work with the results of a critical test, >you believe that data is no longer private? I hope not. You think >whatever goes on in a rental car I drive is the property of the >rental company? That if some company rented the car they are >entitled to read whatever papers I have in there? What about a >hotel? A leased apartment? A restraunt back room? I challenge the >"ownership gives the owner the right to all that occurs or is >produced on or in the property" premise because it is just not a >valid one, legally or (in my opinion) ethically. Mr. Avon is talking about agreements, I believe, although he is using the private property approach to argue that there is certainly a meeting of the minds between the two parties. It seems reasonable that employees may agree to give up their rights, for example their inalienable right to stay at home and watch TV, in exchange for employment. When the employment agreement is at will, as most are, it seems reasonable that the company may change it whenever it pleases: "If you wish to continue working here, you will have to let the company read your mail." This is complicated by the bizarre legal environment which employers face in the United States. In practice one would have difficulty terminating an employee by changing the "at will" agreement. More generally, it seems a good guess that Mr. Avon would not object to an agreement with a company in which the company was able to continuously monitor the employees communications or activities. (This is why the private property approach can confuse people: this is not the core issue.) >[I'm not on cypherpunks anymore, anyone there who wants to put me >through the wringer without having to endure my response might not >want to CC: me.] Guess you miss out, then. ;-) Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNDh325aWtjSmRH/5AQFfWwf/RfjQ38YvvqNAxkcSTWKhFM09fySjgCvG PlSrimP30jC/dWHAH3iZavS5fn8LE+rfHSHBy5UZyE6xyuyAsJHpMYXDjoQ7gMau vKWHCPCKoxNoi/UNFJ6FQXAEy3o+nBp1pRVupOr/gGFaegCd0tglEyzxCEiFguOf utUGX2X7C5wK2Lwhe+lVJqqlvzkwLXt9UKYzanJc8LZmlAjmcmrPySXC+KSnvfve YHGGqD6+jxxqNxqRVpvCpO4JeJ8O+95O3oCxrOKg7b5SwtOo21qnxkBkFNGyuTq9 YGzQJs/0Ha8Gr9Vk+QiT5CjUAdw+N/uahaPkNWjf1f4SztKpz3y0ZA== =FlvU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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MISTY encryption
by Nobuki Nakatuji 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

MISTY Misty is a cryptographic algorithm developed by Mitsubishi Electric after they broke DES in 1994.It is designed to withstand linear and differential cryptanalysis, but has not yet been cryptanalysed. As it has not undergoneintensive peer review, the usual caution is recommended. It is being considered for inclusion into the SET 2.0 standard. http://www.mach5.com/crypto/algorithms.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Moderation Revisionism (Try to forget!)
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Those who are so quick to act as apologists for the C2Nut blitzkreig on the anarchistic freedom of the CypherPunks list forget that by the end of the 'moderation experiment,' the mailing list had lost an estimated 6 million Jewish subscribers. It is likely that we would have lost even more, had it not been for the valiant efforts of Dimitri Vulis to warn us about murdering Armenian bastards in our midst. When the Johnboot of Fascism descended on the CypherPunks mailing list, the evil Dr. Sandfort was given free reign to do bizarre experiments with twin mailing lists, severing parts of toad.com's electronic brain into seperate sections, and producing a mutant clone which was passed off as the original entity. Unfortunately, the Electronic DNA of the mutant strain of the list was not stable, and began to disintegrate, resulting in a denigration of the mutant list body to the point where parts of its electronic body began to become corrupted, even falling completely off, at times. After the nuking of toad.com and Nagasaki, the list CypherSpace was divided up among the winners, with the Eastern Block under control of Comrade Chewd-Off, the Western Block was apparently liberated under the flag of InfoNex (although their ties to the C2Nut secret government remain in place), and Texas, as always, remained a seperate CypherPunk nation just south of Intel, with Commander in Chief Choate launching a bandwidth race to keep ahead of the Eastern Block. Currently there are calls for crypto disarmament coming from the peace-loving folks in DC, in the interests of making the world a safer place, but they are meeting resistance from crypto-guerillas who refuse to recognize that the war is over and it is time for us to ask, "Why can't we all just get along (a long toilet plunger and shove it up somebody's ass)." DigiCash remained neutral during the moderation experiment and denies that they are in possession of large sums of eca$h left with them for safekeeping by the missing Jewish members of the mailing list. There have been rumors that many of the leaders of the attack on the CypherPunks list escaped to Anguilla, a small island in the Caribbean, where they plotted an even greater conspiracy to take over all of cryptography by seizing control of the financial cryptography arena, but Herr Hettinga claims that it was simply a meeting of the Bavarian Illuminati. He denies any claim that there were closed meetings in which a secret alliance was formed with the Japanese, but recent activity by Jochi Ito has led many to suspect that this is indeed the case. In my private meetings with the remaining members of the CypherPunks mailing lists, each of them confirmed that they are members of one three-letter organization or another, although most of them continue to deny it in public. Kent Crispin and Phillip Hallam-Baker asked me to please not blow their 'covers,' so I will not comment on them directly. I hope that this clears things up for everybody. Now just try to forget all about it. RevisionMonger

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Re: Unicorn an NSA agent? WAS: New PGP "Everything the FBI ever dre
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Lucky Green wrote: >Meanwhile, I can understand the desire of a company to be able to >read old outgoing email even after the employee quit or forgot their >passphrase. After all, it might contain valuable information about >details surrounding past negotiations with clients. Information that >I would not want to be without. I have never seen or even heard of an instance where it was necessary to go through an employee's electronic mail. Has anybody else ever witnessed such a situation? While we can construct hypothetical circumstances, in practice the need for this feature is rare. What, then, are some sources of the (alleged) demand? 1. PGP is preparing to compromise with The Great Satan, and to have a viable company after The Fall. 2. Secure software is becoming perceived as naughty. Given the insecure legal and regulatory environment in which companies operate, a perception as a naughty company can be expensive. 2.1 Drug testing is an example of similar behavior. In practice, few companies implement an effective drug testing program. External image, then, is the likely motivation. 3. Many companies have a corporate culture of dominance over their employees. This is yet another way of expressing their perceived position. (Perceived, that is, by the employees and the employers, but not perhaps by outsiders.) 3.1 Common drug testing techniques have sado-sexual overtones. 4. Companies may not wish to have their right to read employee mail challenged. (Were employees to commonly protect their mail from employers, the common practice could, in time, be transformed into a right, regardless of contractual agreements.) Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNDhuUZaWtjSmRH/5AQFflAf5AWr65whT2ZM9yzaHxs5lX9ViocBCqr6A O+1FG/2xPzk+o4hf9zeXMTThyKu+iQ5NgcCWd+ocRRPwIsIB3TJuAmxBJ2tgLISZ dqtgDkEyXmoD4Mq+ALpNy0wcJ0Z/q1LUhZErm6gGOPGhkVeVTn8Gscj+qDHJPu2M ji8/9v8pjYRKe1BsS8ZJlirNwMdC5Use6Ig/Z3uOHmEcnMh+jeZmbAyLcGupNzd9 hjh/q7hThyEIN7v5mJVjg16oXJ0ryN1SkbIvnMimx8b8dYs47z5C5HaUZYX2CZDc XicfmAv5w+Y87dE7HQh9hKmOH36c2Ajfw0hdbQTxWWkFmPys6hDdvQ== =cJtj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Pretty Good Piracy
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 10/5/97 6:37 PM, Anonymous (nobody(a)REPLAY.COM) passed this wisdom: >Ryan Anderson wrote: >> Okay - the only difference between this and a normal version of >> PGP is that it always encrypts to a certain key-id, in addition >> to all others. >> >> That's the only weakness you'll see in it. > >It's the only weakness that's needed to compromise all the keys. It seems to me that it should not necessarily compromise all keys, though it does in effect provide for a goodly number of 'known plaintext' objects. Could some of our hardcore crypto experts comment on IDEA's susceptability to known plaintext which then provides 'plaintext' to the DH/DSS or RSA keys and what is their susceptability to 'known plaintext' It occured to me while proofreading the above that in effect a digitally signed cleartext document provides 'known plaintext' every time its used, since the SHA-1/MD-5 can be computed the hash is a 'known plaintext' on the DH/DSS and RSA keys ... is this one of the reasons for the two key types in PGP5 ??? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNDgmJcdZgC62U/gIEQIvgwCg/kybc9ons3ji3cbi9jtSnQ3kptkAn3IC 90pwzjjpt2qqhpjn8VRlrOGR =IIkE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "Never ask what sort of computer a guy drives. If he's a Mac user, he'll tell you. If not, why embarrass him?" - Tom Clancy

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Zergo Report
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks to Adam Back and Ross Anderson the full Zergo Report on encryption use by the NHSnet is online at: http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/ukcrypto/zergo.html (139K) There may be action by HMG to prohibit publication in the UK (and maybe elsewhere) so we've mirrored it at: http://jya.com/zergo-aba.htm Other mirrors encouraged.

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C2Net offers Vulis $100,000 for not talking about Stronghold
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sameer Parekh called Dmitry Vulis on the phone today and offered him $100,000 if Vulis promises not to publicize the security flows that Vulis has found in Stronghold, C2Net's only remaining product.

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List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, plus lots of interesting links to remailer-related resources, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail. For more information, see: http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html For the PGP public keys of the remailers, finger pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{'cyber'} = '<alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord ?"; $remailer{"replay"} = "<remailer(a)replay.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"jam"} = "<remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek"; $remailer{"winsock"} = "<winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub reord ?"; $remailer{'nym'} = '<config(a)nym.alias.net> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"squirrel"} = "<mix(a)squirrel.owl.de> cpunk mix pgp pgponly hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{'weasel'} = '<config(a)weasel.owl.de> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"reno"} = "<middleman(a)cyberpass.net> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek reord ?"; $remailer{"cracker"} = "<remailer(a)anon.efga.org> cpunk mix remix pgp hash ksub esub latent cut ek reord post"; $remailer{'redneck'} = '<config(a)anon.efga.org> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"bureau42"} = "<remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org> cpunk mix pgp ksub hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"neva"} = "<remailer(a)neva.org> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub ?"; $remailer{"lcs"} = "<mix(a)anon.lcs.mit.edu> mix"; $remailer{"medusa"} = "<medusa(a)weasel.owl.de> mix middle" $remailer{"McCain"} = "<mccain(a)notatla.demon.co.uk> mix middle"; $remailer{"valdeez"} = "<valdeez(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"arrid"} = "<arrid(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"hera"} = "<goddesshera(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"htuttle"} = "<h_tuttle(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp hash latent cut post ek"; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu is _not_ a remailer. usura(a)replay.com is _not_ a remailer. remailer(a)crynwr.com is _not_ a remailer. There is no remailer at relay.com. Groups of remailers sharing a machine or operator: (cyber mix reno winsock) (weasel squirrel medusa) (cracker redneck) (nym lcs) (valdeez arrid hera) The remailer list here has been out of date for some time, but should be up to date now. I'm still working on updating the web page. Last update: Mon 6 Oct 97 6:46:39 PDT remailer email address history latency uptime ----------------------------------------------------------------------- nym config(a)nym.alias.net ##*+#*#**### :42 99.99% redneck config(a)anon.efga.org *###+***##** 1:33 99.98% cracker remailer(a)anon.efga.org ++++++**++*+ 17:20 99.97% cyber alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net ++******+++* 11:30 99.96% jam remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca ++***++++++* 22:36 99.89% winsock winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net -.-----..-- 9:58:11 99.68% mix mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com + -***+++++* 52:53 99.65% replay remailer(a)replay.com ** * ****** 3:36 99.57% squirrel mix(a)squirrel.owl.de ----------- 3:06:27 99.44% neva remailer(a)neva.org --**-***+ + 1:15:50 99.17% reno middleman(a)cyberpass.net - + ++++ * 36:51 98.65% hera goddesshera(a)juno.com ---- ------- 4:34:09 97.76% bureau42 remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org --- ------- 3:15:49 97.49% arrid arrid(a)juno.com - . ---- 10:06:05 79.88% valdeez valdeez(a)juno.com 4:58:22 -16.56% History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. ek Encrypt responses in reply blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. mix Can accept messages in Mixmaster format. reord Attempts to foil traffic analysis by reordering messages. Note: I'm relying on the word of the remailer operator here, and haven't verified the reord info myself. mon Remailer has been known to monitor contents of private email. filter Remailer has been known to filter messages based on content. If not listed in conjunction with mon, then only messages destined for public forums are subject to filtering. Raph Levien

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Re: russia_1.html
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: Harka <root@DosLinux> > US Sees No KGB Role in Russia's Nuclear Arms > > WASHINGTON (Reuter) - The United States Friday rejected the claim of a > Russian scientist that Moscow had secretly developed nuclear "suitcase > bombs" under KGB orders in the 1970s specifically for terrorist > purposes. > >[...] > > Testifying before Congress Thursday, Alexei Yablokov, a respected > scientist who served on the Russian National Security Council, > contradicted statements by Russian officials denying the existence of > the weapons and buttressed claims that many of them have gone missing. > > "I am absolutely sure that they have been made," he told the House > Military Research and Development subcommittee. > > The issue arose when former Russian National Security Adviser Alexandr > Lebed alleged that up to 100 portable suitcase-sized bombs were > unaccounted for since the 1991 breakup of the Soviet Union. > > According to Lebed, who has agreed to testify before the House > committee later this month, the devices have an explosive capacity of > one kiloton -- the equivalent of 1,000 tons of TNT -- can be activated > by a single person and could kill as many as 100,000 people. > > Yablokov said he had spoken to the scientists who worked on the > weapons and so was certain of their existence. [...] I saw part of this on CSPAN. Yablokov made one point that I felt was interesting. These devices were made during the Cold War period, and it's extremely unlikely that any could have been made since the Soviet Union fell apart. The plutonium cores of thermonuclear devices have a limited shelf life - he claimed 6 years, which jibes with what I've heard from other open sources. Fission products build up in the cores which can poison a chain reaction. Thus all Pu based devices need to have the cores periodically removed and replaced with new ones, while the old ones have to go through a non-trivial reprocessing stage to remove the fission products. Thus, a nuke left on the shelf eventually turns into a dud. The time since the Soviet Union fell (which is the upper limit of the last time these particular 'suitcases' could plausibly have been repacked) is long enough ago that they are now either duds or becoming unreliable (I don't know if the degredation results in gradually decreasing yield, or if one day they simply don't work). Of course, even contaminated Pu in the hands of a terrorist (or a State) is a disquieting notion. Peter Trei trei(a)Process.com

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17 Dec '03

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by bob17＠bigfoot.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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New Zealand encryption rolled by Microsoft
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text From: "Blair Anderson" <blair(a)technologist.com> To: "dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu" <dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 97 10:07:45 +1300 Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: New Zealand encryption rolled by Microsoft Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Blair Anderson" <blair(a)technologist.com> New Zealand encryption rolled by Microsoft.. Despite adopting a succesfull crypto protocol ex Switzerland, Microsoft has been succesful in "converting" the local banks to its "built in" scheme.. details at.. http://www.aardvark.co.nz/n296.htm Cheers, Blair Anderson (Blair(a)technologist.com) International Consultant in Electronic Commerce, Encryption and Electronic Rights Management "Techno Junk and Grey Matter" (HTTP://WWW.ISDN.NOW.CO.NZ) 50 Wainoni Road, Christchurch, New Zealand phone 64 3 3894065 fax 64 3 3894065 Member Digital Commerce Society of Boston ---------------------------- Caught in the Net for 25 years ---------------------------- For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "dcsb-request(a)ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help". --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Re: Unicorn an NSA agent? WAS: New PGP "Everything the FBI eve
by jf_avon＠citenet.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Via e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com > To: jf_avon(a)citenet.net, e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com, cypherpunks(a)algebra.com > From: Black Unicorn <unicorn(a)schloss.li> > Subject: Re: Unicorn an NSA agent? WAS: New PGP "Everything the FBI ever dre > Remember when the phone company used to lease you your phone? Surely that > doesn't make the data that goes over the phone their property? Duhhh! Typical Unicornish answer: completely out of context. The agreement with the phone company is to provide you with a service, while the agreement with the employer is for you to devote your time to his cause. Buy doing personnal activities outside of certain accepted ones, you defraud him. Did you indulge into calling your girlfriend in Tokyo while in your office? Did you get a pat in the back from your boss? > Actually, most large modern firms I'm familiar with approve of and expect > some degree of personal business to be transacted in the work place. Some > even state this explicitly in their corporate policies and define the level > of personal business that is appropriate. Never have I seen one which > insists that no personal business of any kind is to be tolerated. I doubt > such a firm would have a reasonable retention rate either. Duhhh ^2 But does that precludes the requirement by the company that all e-mail pertaining to company activities be decryptable by them? > I think I might take that as a compliment coming from someone who advocates > the kind of data ownership views that you seem to. I hope to be thought > of as dangerous by those kind of entities. Duhhh ^3 I did not said it, you did. If you want to have a vague idea of my idea of property, just refer to Ayn Rand philosophy for a close enough explanation. > >I've been watching you for almost > >three years over Cypherpunks and e$-etc and other forums. > >Virtually *all* of your posts have this > >blow-up-their-basic-premises-and-let-them-with-nothing-but-confusion > >style. > > Blame law school. You are almost absolved. :-) This anti-knowledge way of interacting is unfortunately widely thaught. But from the moment you realize it, it becomes a sin again... :-) > If my position on this issue makes me some kind of troublemaker, you better > point the same finger at Schneier, who (if quoted accurately) shares my view. > > >Your style shows intelligence and skill in the way you do > >it, which rules out idiocy on your part. So, clearly, you have > >an agenda > > I do. Unimparied privacy for individuals in all contexts. Now tell me how > PGP5.5 contributes to that cause, particularly in the current political > climate. I have no idea because I did not look at it. Only, from a business standpoint, it doesn't only makes sense to be able to decrypt employees data, it is a sine qua none condition for the implementation of encryption at corporate level. IMNSHO. > The timing looks extremely suspect to me. Challenging the > premise that corporates own the flesh and mind of every employee within the > walls of their facilities doesn't really strike me as something > pro-estlablishment Double talk. I never said it *owns* the employees, I said it owns the *means* of communication and, as per mutual agreement between employee and employer, the employee's time. The employee AND the employer are, most of the time, free to walk out anytime. > My view is, however, that > this is the wrong way for the world to progress. If beliving that > employees don't sell their souls to large corporations because they accept > their paychecks is evil, call me evil. Accepting a paycheck has nothing to do with selling your soul, it is a contractual agreement. You have to fullfill it. It is based on good faith. > At the same time I beleve that > companies don't tell their soul to a given government just because they do > business on a given "soil." There is a large part of happenstance in this. Doing business with the Nazis is an extreme and many condemned it. Doing business within the USA is another thing. > If correcting legal errors, I admit you do often. > highlighting the flaws in basic premises and pointing out general gaps in logic, > which is what I think I've been doing > for the many years I've been poking around on c'punks an elsewhere, is Oh, but I do not question that you act. Only, your pretended basic premises and the end result and general philosophy conveyed by most of your comments simply do not match you pretended agenda. >The > consistancy you see is probably because I don't waiver in my principles > when it comes to privacy. At least, we have something in common! :-) jfa Jean-Francois Avon, Montreal QC Canada "One of theses centuries, the brutes, private or public, who believe that they can rule their betters by force, will learn the lesson of what happens when brute force encounters mind and force." - Ragnar Danneskjold PGP key at: http://w3.citenet.net/users/jf_avon http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html ID# C58ADD0D : 529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891

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Gestapo wants to police the Internet
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

US Calls for Internet Funds Police By Jane Martinson Financial Times: Friday, October 3, 1997 A US securities regulator called yesterday for international co-operation on policing the sale of cross-border mutual funds on the internet. Douglas Scheidt, assistant director in the investment management division at the Securities and Exchange Commission, said: "Securities regulators around the world should work together to find an approach, and to find it relatively soon to satisfy the needs of everyone concerned." Fund managers, particularly in the US, are increasingly using the internet to market their products to investors around the world. This causes policing problems when potential customers in other countries are not covered by regulatory agreements. Regulations surrounding the cross-border sale of products are still vague. Mr Scheidt outlined his preferred approach to the issue at a meeting of the Federation Europeenne des Fonds et Societes d'Investissement, a body of leading European fund managers, in London yesterday. This approach would insist on the fund management group clearly stating the citizens it is allowed to sell to on its home page. Mr Scheidt suggested simple wording to the effect that only US investors were able to purchase US mutual funds, for example. This "disclaimer" would be combined with a demand on managers to screen out possible purchases from unauthorised countries. Mr Scheidt advocated a "flexible approach" which recognised that fund managers could be misled on the country of potential investors but insisted on proof that they had done everything possible to cut down on sales to citizens in unauthorised countries. A solution could be the use of gateways or passwords making it harder for potential investors to find information about a mutual fund. Mr Scheidt said the main drawback was the cost. He also discounted what he described as the "regulator's dream approach" of insisting on the "facts and circumstances" of every transaction. He felt that one of the most important virtues of these approaches was that they did not require any legal changes to enable the internet to be used as a marketing tool. He said his department was also keen to look at how fund managers marketed their products generally to potential clients on the internet. Changes to products must be sent separately via e-mail or the post. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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What's really in PGP 5.5?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Jon Callas wrote: >I have a number of comments about the New York Times article on PGP >5.5 for Business of which Martin Minow sent a synopsis. >If we had built what they said we had, then we'd deserve of all the >derision people have directed at us. But we didn't. The New York >Times got it flat wrong. In your long message I was unable to locate an area in which the New York Times "got it flat wrong". If anything, your post was more alarming than the newspaper article. >This downside is particularly insidious for a number of >reasons. First, without fixing that problem, strong cryptography will >be in some sort of limbo. You want to use it to protect your valuable >information, but you won't want to use it for any information that's >*too* valuable, because it's easily lost. Crypto-protected >information is fragile, and this fragility could hurt its widespread >deployment. What you call "fragility" is properly called "security". Would you describe 128-bit keys as more "fragile" than 40-bit keys? Why is PGP, Inc. inventing propaganda terms for the authorities? >Data recovery is useful for a number of things. Perhaps you lost your >passphrase. Or data might have been encrypted by an employee or co >worker who was in an accident. (As an aside, fifteen years ago, the >architect of a product I worked on was in a severe car wreck. He was >not killed, but suffered brain damage and has never returned to >work.) Your spouse might need access to financial records. Everyone, >be they an individual, business, or coporation has a right to having >their data protected, and protection not only means being able to put >it into a safe, but getting it out of that safe later. It is fascinating to me that every example you use does not involve decrypting transmitted messages. Yet, that is the feature which is under discussion. The demand for the ability to decrypt encrypted messages in the corporate environment can easily be measured with this test: how many companies have a policy that requires employees to record all outgoing mail? >(6) It must also provide a response to those who would regulate >crypto in the name of public safety. This is a red herring. Nobody has been talking about regulating cryptography as a matter of public safety in a serious way. Why is PGP, Inc. posing non-threats to justify its actions? Probably because its actual, all too obvious, motivations are unpalatable to the cypherpunks and probably to most of its customers and supporters. They are not unpalatable to Big Brother, however. I suggest that in the future we do not meet at the PGP, Inc. headquarters and that we do not treat this company as a trustworthy ally. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNDsgSpaWtjSmRH/5AQG/pwf+LBO0ynwGeLLJipuWTIfoE9n7xvBJeXD4 od4Q7NYMZl/UfbudynBHMKGI0/xrhVhC1lmJlXXu+/mbBK2K1H0X9EMILQqpxhM4 RJd5ndR1BI0dpoRZX4+6PRq2mRi3lspvvXp3UkL4bKR8MpCqVJNcpluunMtBgIzh WoxXjw2GzVnbPiWoHhS/TIdQNSvubBCYBsje5rOKc71yQj86ymUzKLovX6O7j/dD eIjlJZTuP+AemEyG6FD5dyXQV7qdcxKwDG9G4ka813NHl88LU0Nc1JcM4aPATgfh 4cZhgppUvZqSGwd0QpxYb/OduE/adCuqmyrubMumc3SqTKRjPdLyBA== =f9J+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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17 Dec '03

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govt goes gun nuts
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

for the libertarians & govt haters ------- Forwarded Message Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 19:36:29 -0500 From: "Chris W. Stark - GOA Texas Rep." <gunowner(a)OnRamp.NET> To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com Subject: IP: 60,000 Pistol Packing Feds - Up 2,436 in 1 year! ==== BEGIN FORWARD================================ 60,000 pistol-packing federal bureaucrats show why people fear the government WASHINGTON, DC -- A new report revealing that almost 60,000 federal employees now carry weapons has prompted the Libertarian Party to come out in favor of gun control -- for the federal government. According to a study by the General Accounting Office (GAO), an astounding 60,000 government employees in 45 different agencies now carry guns as a routine part of their job. And it's not just law enforcement agents: Poultry inspectors, park rangers, and disaster aid workers are all allowed to carry weapons -- in addition to special agents from the Small Business Administration, NASA, the Department of Education, the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service, and even the Department of Veterans Affairs, noted Steve Dasbach, national chairman of the Libertarian Party. "Federal employees have gone nuts -- gun nuts," he said. "It's time to impose a waiting period on the federal government, while the American people conduct a background check on these armed and potentially dangerous bureaucrats." According to the GAO investigation, the number of federal employees with guns is growing rapidly -- up by 20% in the last 10 years. In fact, 2,436 armed personnel were added to the federal government's payroll last year alone. Even worse, federal employees are getting more powerful weapons. According to the GAO, the Energy Department now has access to machine guns, and other agencies can summon tanks and military helicopters. In addition, the Western Journalism Center discovered that the National Park Service and the Department of Health & Human Services now have their own SWAT teams. Machines guns? Tanks? SWAT teams? What's going on? Dasbach said he has a theory: "Congress has passed over 3,000 criminal laws, and federal agencies have churned out hundreds of thousands of regulations that carry criminal penalties. The result is that ordinary Americans run a constant risk of violating laws they've never even heard of as federal agents scramble to enforce those laws at the point of a gun." And Libertarians aren't the only ones who have noticed this disturbing trend, he said. For example, Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) last month blasted the "massive buildup of a virtual army of armed regulators." Larry Pratt, head of Gun Owners of America, described the 60,000 armed federal employees as "a standing army -- it's outrageous." And Greg Lojein, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union, said the acquisition of "heavy equipment" like tanks and helicopters by federal agencies is "more characteristic of war than law enforcement." "No wonder Americans don't trust their government; their government doesn't trust them," said Dasbach. "But trust doesn't grow out of the barrel of a gun -- or from the sight of a pistol-packing poultry inspector. "If we want to live in an America where ordinary citizens don't have to fear their own government -- and where the government doesn't have 60,000 guns pointed at ordinary citizens -- the solution is to demand a government that obeys the Constitution and protects the liberties of its citizens," he said. "And the first step: Gun control for the federal government. 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"Fear and loathing of cyberspace not uncommon"
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[I just got back from Fox News, where I was on with someone from the Chicago Bar and Donna Rice-Hughes (yes, that Donna Rice). Rice-Hughes, now an anti-porn activist at Enough is Enough, did her part to promote fear and loathing of cyberspace. "Chatrooms are a pedophile's playground. Kids are falling through the cracks." She called for more obscenity prosecutions online, but told me afterwards she didn't endorse labelling schemes like RSACi. --Declan] *************** By DONALD M. ROTHBERG Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - The world runs on computers and, in a sense, computers run the world. But all this technological progress comes at a price, a new problem psychologists call computer phobia. It is everywhere - in private industry, in government and in the home. For many people computers are wondrous machines offering access to a vast world of knowledge. But to others they are impersonal monsters that react to an errant key stroke with this brusque message: "You have performed an illegal operation. This computer will shut down." When the car or the dishwasher breaks down, people curse the machine. Often when the computer malfunctions, the first reaction is, "What have I done wrong?" Nowhere is the problem of computer phobia likely to show up the most than in the federal government. The government has millions of computers. Literally. Larry Irving, assistant secretary of commerce for communications and information, said there are people "who resist and people who are intimidated" by the increasingly technological focus of their jobs. "It's a problem, but it's not insurmountable," he said. "You just have to find a reason for people to get over it." Irving cited the man at the top of the government. "My sense is the president did not spend a lot of time doing personal e-mail until his daughter went to college," he said. "A lot of people are embarrassed about saying they're afraid of computers," said Carol Goldberg, a clinical psychologist who conducts workshops to help corporations deal with technological stress. Michelle Weil, a clinical psychologist in Orange, Calif., and co-author of the book, "TechnoStress: Coping with Stress at Work, at Home, at Play," said about 15 percent of people love technology and up to 25 percent of the rest are what she called "resisters." "The resisters will have higher stress, lower productivity, less efficiency and higher workers comp claims," she said. As the biggest user of computers, has the government seen greater absenteeism as technology grows? "I suspect that may be true," said Don Heffernan, assistant chief information officer at the General Services Administration, the government property agency. A year ago, every GSA employee was given Internet access, Heffernan said. "Going into that we knew there were going to be people, even people who used computers a bit, who were going to be intimidated by the Internet," he said. To help employees adjust to the new technology, GSA Administrator David Barram urged those who were experienced in using the Internet to "become five-minute tutors" for those intimidated by the technology. Weil is less confident than the government officials that getting over computer phobia is just a matter of incentive. "This problem has not gone away," she said. "In fact, it's getting worse. We wondered that as technology got more commonplace in society wouldn't people just get used to it. "The answer is no. In fact, some of the technology now makes less sense than the technology did 15 years ago." Irving, the Commerce Department official, said the biggest indication that people are overcoming computer phobia is in one huge number. "This year 2.7 trillion e-mail are going to be sent around the world," he said. "That means a lot of people have overcome their paranoia and their phobia." Donald M. Rothberg has covered the federal government for The Associated Press in Washington since 1966. ------------------------- Declan McCullagh Time Inc. The Netly News Network Washington Correspondent http://netlynews.com/

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The Important Question / Re: russia_1.html
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Paul Pomes wrote: > > Even a fizzle with a yield in the hundreds of tons equivalent is respectable. > Plutonium decay products have a high neutron cross-section and steal the > fast neutrons necessary for the chain reaction to build. Sufficient amounts > can kill off the last three or more re-doublings which is where most of the > explosive power comes from. On the other hand finely dispersed Pu and > other fission products plus the irradiated material that becomes radioactive > will make a few square miles dangerous to inhabit for several years. Bill Frantz wrote: > Plutonium has a half life on the order > of 250,000 years, so very little decay products would build up in 6 years. > The tritium used in thermonuclear weapons has a much shorter half life, and > would need to be replaced about that often. But the _important_ question is: "Where do connect the 'yellow' wire?"

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EVENT - Join Rep. Dreier LIVE Online Wednesday Sept 8
by Jonah Seiger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

========================================================================= _ _ __| | ___ _ __ ___ ___ ___ _ __ __ _ ___ _ _ _ __ ___| |_ / _` |/ _ \ '_ ` _ \ / _ \ / __| '__/ _` |/ __| | | | | '_ \ / _ \ __| | (_| | __/ | | | | | (_) | (__| | | (_| | (__| |_| |_| | | | __/ |_ \__,_|\___|_| |_| |_|\___/ \___|_| \__,_|\___|\__, (_)_| |_|\___|\__| |___/ Government Without Walls _________________________________________________________________________ Update No.14 http://www.democracy.net/ Oct 06 1997 _________________________________________________________________________ Table of Contents - Virtual Town Hall Meeting with Rep. David Dreier (R-CA) Wed 10/08 - About democracy.net _____________________________________________________________________ DEMOCRACY.NET VIRTUAL TOWN HALL MEETING WITH REP. DAVID DREIER (R-CA) Join Representative David Dreier (R-CA) live at democracy.net for an interactive discussion of current Internet policy issues, including efforts to reform US Encryption policy. Dreier is a name you need to know. As a member of the House Rules Committee, Representative Dreier will soon be called upon to help reconcile the various versions of the Security and Freedom Through Encryption Act (SAFE, HR 695). Dreier is a sponsor of the original version of SAFE, and supports efforts to promote privacy and security on the Internet through the widespread availability of strong encryption. However, the FBI, and Rules Committee Chairman Gerald Solomon (R-NY) are pushing for a version of SAFE which contains sweeping new domestic encryption restrictions. Representative Dreier is also a leading advocate for the use of the Internet and other interactive communications technology to make Congress more open, accountable, and effective, having played a key role in forming the 21st Century Congress Project. He has sponsored a campaign finance bill (HR 1780 - http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d105:h.r.1780:) that would require candidates to file their donations with the Federal Elections Commission and disclose them rapidly on the Internet, among other issues the bill tackles. Dreier is also a member of the Congressional Internet Caucus. EVENT DETAILS: Date: Wednesday October 8, 1997 Time: 8:00 pm Eastern (5:00 pm pacific) Location: http://www.democracy.net HOW THE TOWN HALL MEETING WORKS: The democracy.net Virtual Town Hall Meeting will include a moderated discussion between Rep. Dreier and democracy.net moderator Todd Lappin, cybercast live via RealAudio. Participants can join a simultaneous chat forum to pose questions for the moderator and discuss the proceedings. Questions can also be submitted via a form on the democracy.net web site (http://www.democracy.net/questions/) WHAT YOU'LL NEED: You will need a copy of RealAuido and a telnet application to participate. Both are available free at http://www.democracy.net/ We hope you will join us for an interesting discussion. _______________________________________________________________________________ REPRESENTATIVE DRIER ON THE SECURITY AND FREEDOM THROUGH ENCRYPTION ACT (SAFE): "Export controls on encryption software put U.S. firms at a disadvantage against foreign competitors who are permitted to sell more advanced software on the international market. These controls also fail to prevent foreign software companies from producing advanced encryption software. I support H.R. 695, the Security and Freedom Through Encryption (SAFE) Act, which addresses the concerns of our law enforcement and intelligence agencies by permitting the export of encryption software which is as advanced as software widely available on the international market." _____________________________________________________________________________ SHORT BIOGRAPHY OF REP. DRIER (from http://www.house.gov/dreier) Congressman David Dreier (R-CA) is in his ninth term representing the eastern cities of Los Angeles County. He serves on the House Rules Committee and chairs the Subcommittee on Rules and Organization of the House. In 1996, the Subcommittee set up the 21st Century Congress Project to develop and recommend changes in Congress' operations and legislative procedures that will allow technology to make the institution more open, accountable and effective. The subcommittee held two hearings on the impact of new information technologies on the legislative process and decision-making. The first was an interactive hearing that utilized television, video conference technology, e-mail and the Internet. Information about the 21st Century Congress Project and the testimony and transcripts of the two technology hearings can be accessed on the Subcommittee Web site at http://www.house.gov/rules_org. Dreier is a member of the bipartisan, bicameral Congressional Internet Caucus. Working with Congressman Rick White, he pushed through the new House rule requiring committees to put their publications on the Internet. Dreier's office Web site is considered one of the most comprehensive and informative on Capitol Hill. There, citizens can gain obtain information on Dreier's legislative priorities, access CRS reports and other hard-to-find resources on how Congress works, and communicate directly with the Congressman by Web mail. Legislatively, Dreier is a cosponsor of the Security and Freedom Through Encryption (SAFE) Act. He is also the sponsor of the Voter Empowerment Act, which reforms the campaign finance by, among other things, requiring all disclosure information to be made available on the Internet, and requiring the FEC to publish an expansive Internet site which would contain a separate page for every Congressional and Presidential candidate, each PAC, and every national party. ___________________________________________________________________________ ABOUT DEMOCRACY.NET democracy.net is a joint project of the Center for Democracy and Technology (CDT) and the Voters Telecommunications Watch (VTW) to explore ways of enhancing citizen participation in the democratic process via the Internet. To this end, democracy.net will host live, interactive cybercasts of Congressional Hearings and online town hall meetings with key policy makers. democracy.net is made possible through the generous support of WebActive, Public Access Networks, theSync, and Democracy Network. More information about the project and its sponsors can be found at http://www.democracy.net/about/ To receive democracy.net announcements automatically, please visit our signup form at http://www.democracy.net/ To stop receiving these announcements, please send email to majordomo(a)democracy.net with "unsubscribe events" in the body of the message. _________________________________________________________________________ end update no.14 10/06/97 =========================================================================

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Re:New PGP "Everything the FBI ever dreamed of"
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I would be almost as inclined to think that a company using PGP5.5 with a forced encrypted to (company) self in addition to whomever else ... might even put up a bigger fuss about passing out their 'master key' to Freeh-dumb et al. than many CP individuals ... ... another passing thought, could the anticipated implementation of this have had anything to do with removal of the 'conventional encryption' options in PGP5 ???? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNDlREcdZgC62U/gIEQIo/wCg0FfHi8A3a67vYsskAElu5U7C/vkAoLfx 4a/uggNws8ZfGCRNm3UZbo2Q =OGro -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "It's what you learn after you know it all that counts" John Wooden

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off-topic
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >In Canada, one could 'choose' not to work for Safeway Stores, but the > >chain would come into a community and undersell everyone until the locals > >were run out of business, then raise prices dramatically. In theory, you > >could choose to *not* work for Safeway, but in reality, there was no one > >else left *to* choose to work for in the grocery business. > > If they didn't buy products > from the Safeway or WalMart then you wouldn't have the "problem" above. > Economics 101; the people are voting with their wallets. ... and if you don't like living among idiots, then move someplace where te population makes more intelligent purchasing decision to sustain better retailers. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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