December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Stronghold
by phelix＠vallnet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 5 Oct 1997 00:21:33 -0500, nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote: > >John Young wrote: >> Dimitri: >> Perhaps this is unfair, but it now appears that you are using >> the disputed censorship issue to cloud your reluctance, or >> inability, to substantiate a fault in Stronghold. > >Unless C2Net publicly announces that Dimitri is free to post >anything he chooses about C2Net and the software they produce, >without threat of lawsuit or prosecution, then it is patently >unfair to castigate him for failing to share whatever information >he may have in regard to their product. >Like it or not, C2Net has declared that the integrity of their >product is dependent upon men with guns who have the power to >take people before the inquisitors, squelching all intimations >of weakness or impropriety in the design of their product. > Use the remailers. That's what they're there for. Am I being overly simplistic here? -- Phelix

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Re: Stronghold
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In <343b60e7.102167602(a)128.2.84.191>, phelix(a)vallnet.com writes: }On 5 Oct 1997 00:21:33 -0500, nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote: } }> }>John Young wrote: }>> Dimitri: }>> Perhaps this is unfair, but it now appears that you are using }>> the disputed censorship issue to cloud your reluctance, or }>> inability, to substantiate a fault in Stronghold. }> }>Unless C2Net publicly announces that Dimitri is free to post }>anything he chooses about C2Net and the software they produce, }>without threat of lawsuit or prosecution, then it is patently A "public announcement" by the proven liars at C2 doesn't constitute a release from liability and wouldn't do much, legally, to protect Vulis from harrassment lawsuits. C2 can turn around and sue Vulis anyway. "So, I lied. Again." - Sameer }>unfair to castigate him for failing to share whatever information }>he may have in regard to their product. }>Like it or not, C2Net has declared that the integrity of their }>product is dependent upon men with guns who have the power to }>take people before the inquisitors, squelching all intimations }>of weakness or impropriety in the design of their product. }> } }Use the remailers. That's what they're there for. Am I being overly }simplistic here? If someone other than Vulis (me, for instance) published the Stronghold backdoor (widely known by now) via an anonymous remailer, then Sameer Parekh could still sue Vulis for having discovered it first, or to "make example" of him, and to intidimate other security experts who are aware of Stronghold's many holes. For example, Sandy Sandfort, Parekh's marketing director, wrote to Vulis: } ... we'll slap a libel suit across your emigrant ass, take back }your green card, deport you and tell Russia that you called Yeltsin a }cocksucker ... C2 is obviously deperate to suppress the information that's already known to an increasing number of people in the field. Their threats against Vulis may be one of the reasons why none of the security experts, who confirmed the presense of serious security flaws in Stronghold, are saying much about this. The BackdoorMonger

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Re: Traffic Analysis (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Traffic Analysis (fwd) > Date: Sun, 5 Oct 97 11:59:53 -0400 > > On 10/3/97 10:49 AM, Jim Choate (ravage(a)ssz.com) passed this wisdom: > > >If the MTBF for a remailer is n then the MTBF for m remailers is > >n*m. Inother words the remailer chain gets less reliable as it gets > >longer. > > Jim, you want to take a look at that "n*m" again ... it doesn't > wash. means MTBF goes *up* which means *more* reliable. Remember n is a fraction, failures/time_period ... If your MTBF is 1 failure per year for each system and you have 10 systems your MTBF is 10 failures per year. Looks like multiplication to me.... Course you can look at it another way as well. Which would mean you would have 1 failure every 10th of a year. That's division, and also misleading because failures don't care about the time period, they may happen all at once. Depends on how you look at MTBF, I generaly look at it the first way because I can use addition if I'm working on a system that don't have multiplication (eg machine code on a 68HC11) that way I don't have to build some damn floating poing library to do division ... Statistics, damn statistics, and lies. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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testing 1 2 3
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

bleh

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by linia32＠earthlink.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Stronghold
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dimitri and Cloned Anonymees continued the rotten-egging of Stronghold faults: If there's a fault in Stronghold, expose it, in detail, for merely proclaiming there is, is sour grapes commercial knocking of a superior product, or worse, evidence of complicity with those dark forces who want to prevent global spread of strong products. Sniff that rhetoric. It's the same old Backdoor gossip, as with PGP (freeware version, not the latest Freehware, which is evil, evil, how could you Phil?). Using the threat of a lawsuit as grounds to prevent disclosure is shrewd way of avoiding having to document an allegation. Dimitri, you're one smart son of a bitch, and my hat off to your genius at the dirty business of defamation, no holds barred. Defaming an eating-your-lunch competitor is fair play, as C2 shows how to call your bluff with a bullshit legal bluff. Anybody with a reliable info on a hidden backdoor in Stronghold or Dimitri or me, as with PGP, should get the evidence out for verification. Otherwise, such ranting is just trash talk of the bluffing game. Dimitri, out with Stronghold's fault, if you've got it. C2, cut the legal bluff, it stinks. The badmouthing by both of you is the same old toxic waste -- and may mean the two of you're are now in cahoots to boost each other's shoddy goods and hide the faults behind a phony dispute, like 50 years of mock competitive Ameri-Russky junk national security communist-capitalist racketeering so beloved by die-hard globalist TLAs of business and government. And I'm eager to rotten-egg it onward.

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Re: Stronghold
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous wrote: | C2 is obviously deperate to suppress the information that's already known to | an increasing number of people in the field. Their threats against Vulis may | be one of the reasons why none of the security experts, who confirmed the | presense of serious security flaws in Stronghold, are saying much about this. The information regarding the security flaws in Stronghold comes at a pretty dear price currently. With the increasing value of this type of information in the corporate underworld, the bugs and backdoors in security software that are revealed to the world make up only a small portion of those that are known to exist by those who have the funds to purchase them. For every free spirit who publishes a security flaw, there are a dozen enterpreneurs who recognize the value of the information they hold. MoneyMonger

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Re: Stronghold
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Young wrote: > Dimitri, out with Stronghold's fault, if you've got it. C2, cut the > legal bluff, it stinks. The badmouthing by both of you is the same old > toxic waste -- and may mean the two of you're are now in cahoots > to boost each other's shoddy goods and hide the faults behind a > phony dispute, like 50 years of mock competitive Ameri-Russky > junk national security communist-capitalist racketeering so beloved > by die-hard globalist TLAs of business and government. It is becoming increasingly obvious that John Young is the real troublemaker here. I wouldn't doubt that it was John who was behind the original troubles between Vulis and Sameer. I think that John Young should be forcefully unsubscribed from the Cypherpunks mailing lists. YoungMonger

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Re: Quor's cipher
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Antonomasia <ant(a)notatla.demon.co.uk> wrote: > This cypher is constructed differently from RC4 or fish - not as simple as > WAKE but broadly comparable to Sapphire II. I think I'll enlist the help > of a search engine. It's more than likely there other things waiting to > be done to this. It seems to be roughly a cross between a stream cypher and a block cypher. Search engine turned up absolutely nothing on this. > Quor's friend 'nobody' has actually put some crypto on > the list -let's see what we can do with/to it. An actual crypto post on a cryptography list? How unusual.... ;-)

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ISDN status - intermittent
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Just a quick head-up.... The ISDN is going up and down today, there are several SWBT trucks in the neighborhood. My suspicion is that they are working on the trunk line throw from the N. Lamar station to the one on Duval behind the church. If this is the problem then it should go stable (or go dead because of another documentation error like last time) sometime this afternoon. Sorry for any inconvenience. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Stronghold (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:46:14 +0200 (MET DST) > Subject: Re: Stronghold > From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) > It is becoming increasingly obvious that John Young is the real > troublemaker here. I wouldn't doubt that it was John who was > behind the original troubles between Vulis and Sameer. > I think that John Young should be forcefully unsubscribed from > the Cypherpunks mailing lists. You sir are an unmittigated ass and more than a tad immature and selfish. I will not forcefully unsubscribe anyone from the SSZ node unless cops start showing up at my door giving me shit, in which case the node might go down (hopefully temporarily). I may not like what he did but I'll be damned if I'll go back on my beliefs in free speech just because you or I don't like it. You want freedom, learn to give it even when it hurts. Grow up and learn to deal with it. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Pretty Good Piracy
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If anyone has a copy of Viacrypt's Pretty Good Prying, it would be nice if they would make it available to those who want to get to work finding out how to best sabotage it. I am not against Viacrypt producing surveillance software for those who want it, but I resent their perversion of a product whose reputation capital is the result of the integrity and effort of a great many people whose interests lie in privacy, not in surruptitious surveillance. I can guarantee that any system I have access to which contains this twisted sister of PGP will have my hand up its dress, playing with its private parts. What is ViaCrypt's marketing plan? "Make sabotaging the security of your system a badge of honour among the elite of the computer security industry. Buy mis-represented PGP." "You need not fear our product having been sabotaged by privacy purists within ViaCrypt, because we fired all the people with integrity." "We stole the reputation, but we wouldn't steal your information." "It's not GAK. I was just clearing my throat." "Tired of the employees banging your wife...?" RottsaRaffsMongel

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MTBF
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, MTBF is usualy given as a single number, number_of_base_time_units from initial turn-on to 1st failure given no power downs or other interruptions. This is effectively of the form number_of_base_time_units/failure. This is clearly equivalent to number_of_failures/base_time_unit for practical use. Especialy considering that in this form you generaly don't ever need to do a division as you do if you use the first form. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Traffic Analysis (fwd)
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 10/5/97 1:18 PM, Jim Choate (ravage(a)ssz.com) passed this wisdom: >> Subject: Re: Traffic Analysis (fwd) >> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 97 11:59:53 -0400 >> >> On 10/3/97 10:49 AM, Jim Choate (ravage(a)ssz.com) passed this >> wisdom: >> >>>If the MTBF for a remailer is n then the MTBF for m remailers >>>is n*m. Inother words the remailer chain gets less reliable as >>>it gets longer. >> >> Jim, you want to take a look at that "n*m" again ... it >>doesn't wash. means MTBF goes *up* which means *more* reliable. > >Remember n is a fraction, failures/time_period ... > >If your MTBF is 1 failure per year for each system and you have 10 >systems your MTBF is 10 failures per year. Looks like multiplication >to me.... Maybe I have been away from hardcore engineering for too long, but last time I checked MTBF (Mean Time Between Failures) is measured in time (seconds, minutes, hours etc) not in failures per year that would be called 'failure rate' -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNDf4WMdZgC62U/gIEQJy/QCeKTFBl+4yLC4mDnr/32uh8w8rbLsAn086 Y+veBvWn4ULlxuJBT0+Bun4N =7xHN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "One of the deep mysteries to me is our logo, the symbol of lust and knowledge, bitten into, all crossed with in the colors of the rainbow in the wrong order. You couldn't dream of a more appropriate logo: lust, knowledge, hope, and anarchy." -- Gassee - Apple Logo

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ViaCrypt Fires Tim C. May
by ViaCrypt FiringBot 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: ViaCrypt FiringBot To: Tim C. May Dear Ms. May, We regret to inform you that your employment with ViaCrypt has been terminated, effectively immediately. In accordance with company policy we will outline the reasons for your termination below. 1. Records from your company supplied E-ZPass electronic toll booth pass indicate that you are arriving in the city over an hour before you begin work, leading us to believe that you are engaged in personal activities during this time which take away from the energy you have left to put into your company work. 2. The OnStar satellite-positioning service reports that your company supplied Cadillac was parked at the restaurant where you ate with your company supplied Visa card for an hour and ten minutes. Employees are only allowed one hour for lunch breaks. 3. The Teletrac global-positioning satellite has reported that you exceeded the speed limit twice in one day (32 mph in a 30 mph zone, and 56 mph in a 55 mph zone). 4. The passive tracking microchip on your company supplied ID card was tracked by our remote sensors in six parts of the city which we prefer that our employees not enter. 5. Your company supplied cellular phone was used to call someone not in our business database who used his MasterCard to buy condoms at a local pharmacy during a weekend when his wife used her Visa to take a trip out of town. This reflects badly on the company. 6. The company aerial drone reports that in several passes over your home, the presence of marihuana smoke was detected. 7. Surveillance of your company email indicates that you have been using company resources to include private messages such as "Have a nice day." in business email sent on company time. 8. Reports sent in to the company by the automatic modem software on your company supplied laptop indicate that you have visited websites which are not approved by CyberSitter, such as the City of SEXton community website. 9. Video surveillance of the Men's Restroom indicates that you have been wasting company resources by using more toilet paper than necessary, in relation to the amount of human waste monitored during your visits. Also, you twice failed to put the toilet seat down, as required by our company policy of sexual sensitivity. 10. Our monitoring of your user access to the company computer system shows that you accessed areas of the system which were not found to be in accordance with your security level. Our records indicate that ViaCrypt owes you $15,000,000.00 for your 1 day(s) of employment. This has been deposited in your Bank Account in Antigua, according to your wishes. Sincerely, (as sincere as a machine can be, that is) ViaCrypt FiringBot

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Re: Pretty Good Piracy
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ryan Anderson wrote: > Okay - the only difference between this and a normal version of PGP is that > it always encrypts to a certain key-id, in addition to all others. > > That's the only weakness you'll see in it. It's the only weakness that's needed to compromise all the keys. > So stop bitching about a feature that business is going to require before > rolling out PGP to the whole enterprise. I don't have any problem with the feature, only with the use of the PGP reputation capital to directly promote it. If they wanted to call it 'Pretty Corporate Privacy' then the name would reflect its purpose. Security, in regard to privacy, is an all-or-nothing issue. As such, I do not find it acceptable to apply the same standards of promotion and dissemination as with less important types of software. The fact of the matter is, the product has nothing to do with the privacy of the individual using it, only the privacy of the corporation. This is an important distincion which should not be subject to confusion with a product by the same name which is noted for providing a secure level of privacy for the individual. I would wager that promoting a false sense of security, or an incorrect view of the levels of security and trust involved in company software will do more damage than the occassional loss of keys will. Again, the product does not provide 'Pretty Good Privacy,' it does provide 'Pretty Corporate Privacy.' PrivacyMonger

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List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ADVERTISEMENT: Proudly Sponsored by the Electronic Forgery Foundation, http://www.eff.com ADVERTISEMENT: Digicash Software - Download Today! http://www.digicrime.com I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, plus lots of interesting links to remailer-related resources, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail. For more information, see: http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html For the PGP public keys of the remailers, finger pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{'cyber'} = '<alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord ?"; $remailer{"replay"} = "<remailer(a)replay.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"jam"} = "<remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek"; $remailer{"winsock"} = "<winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub reord ?"; $remailer{'nym'} = '<config(a)nym.alias.net> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"trustme"} = "<trustme(a)trustme.nsa.mil> cpunk mix pgp pgponly hash crack latent cut ek"; $remailer{"squirrel"} = "<mix(a)squirrel.owl.de> cpunk mix pgp pgponly hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{'weasel'} = '<config(a)weasel.owl.de> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"reno"} = "<middleman(a)cyberpass.net> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek reord ?"; $remailer{"cracker"} = "<remailer(a)anon.efga.org> cpunk mix remix pgp hash ksub esub latent cut ek reord post"; $remailer{'redneck'} = '<config(a)anon.efga.org> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"bureau42"} = "<remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org> cpunk mix pgp ksub hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"recovery"} = "<remailer(a)biglouie.fbi.gov> cpunk mix pgp ksub hash latent mon cut ek"; $remailer{"neva"} = "<remailer(a)neva.org> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub ?"; $remailer{"payswell"} = "<remailer(a)digicrime.com> cpunk pgp pgponly launder hash cut mon ksub ?"; $remailer{"lcs"} = "<mix(a)anon.lcs.mit.edu> mix"; $remailer{"medusa"} = "<medusa(a)weasel.owl.de> mix middle" $remailer{"McCain"} = "<mccain(a)notatla.demon.co.uk> mix middle"; $remailer{"valdeez"} = "<valdeez(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"arrid"} = "<arrid(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"hera"} = "<goddesshera(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"mulder"} = "<mulder(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"scully"} = "<scully(a)fox.fbi.gov> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"htuttle"} = "<h_tuttle(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp hash latent cut post ek"; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu is _not_ a remailer. president(a)whitehouse.gov is _not_ a remailer. usura(a)replay.com is _not_ a remailer. remailer(a)crynwr.com is _not_ a remailer. There is no remailer at relay.com. Groups of remailers sharing a machine or operator: (cyber mix reno winsock) (weasel squirrel medusa) (cracker redneck) (nym lcs) (valdeez arrid hera mulder scully) The remailer list here has been out of date for some time, but should be up to date now. I'm still working on updating the web page. Last update: Mon 8 Sep 97 6:48:45 PDT remailer email address history latency uptime - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- recovery remailer(a)biglouie.fbi.gov ############ 0:01 99.99% payswell remailer(a)digicrime.com ############ 0:01 99.99% trustme trustme(a)trustme.nsa.mil ************ 0:59 99.99% mulder mulder(a)juno.com #*#*##*#*#*# 0:57 99.98% nym config(a)nym.alias.net ####**+#-## 7:03 99.95% hera goddesshera(a)juno.com ----_.---.. 14:56:18 99.95% cyber alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net *+*****++**+ 11:30 99.93% squirrel mix(a)squirrel.owl.de ----------- 3:17:57 99.83% scully scully(a)fox.fbi.gov +-+-+-+-+-+- 0:57 101.00% valdeez valdeez(a)juno.com -__.-*+*-.- 7:50:19 99.81% winsock winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net -----_..---* 10:10:24 99.81% bureau42 remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org ..--------- 3:33:37 99.31% arrid arrid(a)juno.com -- -------- 7:27:32 99.15% kgbvax remailer(a)kgbvax.demos.su . -- .. --- 99:59:59 19.84% neva remailer(a)neva.org -+*#+*--* # 25:21 98.45% jam remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca + ++++++ 39:06 97.23% cracker remailer(a)anon.efga.org + +++ +++ 28:43 97.10% replay remailer(a)replay.com +**-++ +** 9:49 96.75% redneck config(a)anon.efga.org -*+* ++# 10:58 96.60% reno middleman(a)cyberpass.net ++..+ * -- 2:32:31 84.34% mix mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com **+*++*+ 1:14:29 58.44% History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. launder Supports Matt Blaze's Packet-Laundry: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. ek Encrypt responses in reply blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. mix Can accept messages in Mixmaster format. escrow Provides message backup services to prevent accidental loss. reord Attempts to foil traffic analysis by reordering messages. Note: I'm relying on the word of the remailer operator here, and haven't verified the reord info myself. mon Remailer has been known to monitor contents of private email. filter Remailer has been known to filter messages based on content. If not listed in conjunction with mon, then only messages destined for public forums are subject to filtering. Raph Levien -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNDg5r0TMP00JT6s3EQKSngCdF5V1Ecd5ZA3Xa0gYUDHmHaklorAAn2os muMxWPxHj2VmK9uYtACtZhHx =eWmu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Trademarking CypherSpace???
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sigh. A company called I-Planet is trying to trademark the term "Cypherspace", even though we've been using it for a couple of years in the cypherpunk community. They're doing an IPSEC Virtual Private Network, with friendly HTML administration; http://www.i-planet.com/P2cypherpb.html . Looks like interesting stuff, and I wish them luck except in TMing the name :-) I looked on AltaVista and HotBot, and the earliest reference I found was from a 1994 article by Tim May. I'd be interested in finding any earlier refs. There's also a line of comic books using the name, and a Java Applet from 1996, plus references from I-Planet in late 96 and 97. Anybody know if the term's been used in print in the dead-tree press? http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/6095/assorted-short-pieces/may-police-state.txt 05-Oct-94 http://www.pi.net/~mvheezik/cypher.html 20-Dec-96 http://infinity.nus.sg/cypherpunks/dir.archive-96.10.17-96.10.23/subject.ht… pointing to David Lesher's article Alice in Cypherspace http://www.insitecomp.com/webdev/java/javasites.htm 7-Dec-96 points to "Cypherspace", a Java Application on a machine I don't seem to be able to reach right now. ============================================================= ==== FROM http://www2.netcom.com/netcom/cypher.html and also ==== http://www.i-planet.com/P2cypherpb.html ======== Introducing i-Planet's CypherSpace As part of the i-Planet Solution product family, CypherSpace allows a company to securely link all of its locations together over the Internet by creating a Virtual Private Network (VPN). This represents an enormous cost savings especially for multinational organizations. ============================================================= Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Risks of using usually-reliable information sources in your programs
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've been thinking about building remailers and cover-traffic generators, and there's a need for a convenient up-to-date list of remailers. Raph Levien's remailer pinging service is definitely convenient, and even produces some of its output in perl for use by perl programs. However, it's important to be really careful when depending on information like this, e.g. when building it into programs, because otherwise it's easy to trick them into using bogus data, such as the crudely forged article sent to Cypherpunks earlier today. The natural implementation is to pick the more reliable remailers based on "Raph"'s statistics, so adding records for very reliable bogus remailers is a win. The security would be improved if Raph signed the weekly file, but that also requires people using the file to check it with PGP and not just grep out the relevant lines for their programs' use. >X-Sender: stewarts(a)popd.ix.netcom.com >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) >Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 18:06:56 -0700 >To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >From: Raph Levien <raph(a)CS.Berkeley.EDU> >Subject: List of reliable remailers >Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net >Reply-To: Raph Levien <raph(a)CS.Berkeley.EDU> >X-Loop: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >ADVERTISEMENT: Proudly Sponsored by the Electronic Forgery Foundation, >http://www.eff.com >ADVERTISEMENT: Digicash Software - Download Today! http://www.digicrime.com > > I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed >information about remailer features and reliability. .... >recovery remailer(a)biglouie.fbi.gov ############ 0:01 99.99% >payswell remailer(a)digicrime.com ############ 0:01 99.99% >trustme trustme(a)trustme.nsa.mil ************ 0:59 99.99% >mulder mulder(a)juno.com #*#*##*#*#*# 0:57 99.98% Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Unicorn an NSA agent? WAS: New PGP "Everything the FBI ever dre
by jf_avon＠citenet.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Unicorn wrote: > borderline activity. It's hardly a settled point. That you are so quick > to advocate corporate ownership of potentially private e-mail out of hand > and without argument tells us much about your real position, Mr. > Moscaritolo. Three words: "Expectation of Privacy." Unicorn, In that piece of knowledge smashing, just as you do in most of your posts, you again mixed up things to make sure that everybody end up knowing less than when they started. It is peoples like you that ended up with using Expectation of Privacy out of it's rightfull context. Apart from various rulings of various judges that probably smoked various herbs, can you please tell me how anybody can rightfully expect privacy when everything that permits them to exchange information is *owned* by somebody else and that the use of this equipment is there *only* for the activities of the owner of the equipment? If it weren't of the business, the damn computer wouldn't be there. And beside, the employee is not paid to chat with friends, he's paid to work. If he doesn't want to work, just fine, but not on the company's pay... Somehow, you basic premises always blows my mind. I think that you are a *very* dangerous person. I've been watching you for almost three years over Cypherpunks and e$-etc and other forums. Virtually *all* of your posts have this blow-up-their-basic-premises-and-let-them-with-nothing-but-confusion style. Your style shows intelligence and skill in the way you do it, which rules out idiocy on your part. So, clearly, you have an agenda. I cannot help but having the nagging feeling that you're on some three-letter agency payroll because you have the uncanny habit of disrupting and diverting some important discussion. I always wanted to killfile you but always refrained to do so just to be able to read the last finely crafted basic premises-smashing abomination. So, again, which of the three-letter agency sends you a paycheck? Or are you doing is only for a secret decoration? jfa -- Jean-Francois Avon, Pierrefonds(Montreal) QC Canada DePompadour, Societe d'Importation Ltee Finest of Limoges porcelain and crystal JFA Technologies, R&D consultants physicists and engineers, LabView programing. PGP encryption keys at: http://w3.citenet.net/users/jf_avon http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html ID# C58ADD0D : 529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 ID# 5B51964D : 152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C

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Re: Trademarking CypherSpace???
by jim＠mentat.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

An AltaVista search for "cypherspace" pulls up a Tim May rant on The Coming Police State dated 9 Mar 1994 on the topic, so it's at least 3.5 yrs old. Good historical reading, by the way... dates back to the Clipper era. Don't you hate it when the pessimists are right all the time? Jim Gillogly

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Re:New PGP "Everything the FBI ever dreamed of"
by jf_avon＠citenet.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 03:35:12 -0500 > To: "George F. Mayhew" <mayhem(a)globaldialog.com>, > Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> > From: Black Unicorn <unicorn(a)schloss.li> > Subject: Re:New PGP "Everything the FBI ever dreamed of" > At 10:58 PM 10/3/97 -0500, George F. Mayhew wrote: > >I think PGP, Inc. has seen the need for corporations to monitor their > >transactions at all levels, and responded with a simple, effective > >method that keeps the core applications from becoming compromised, and > >thus less secure. As a private user, this doesn't bother me in the > >least. > > You know, you're right. Transactions at all levels on corporate property > can put the corporation at risk. As a private user, this doesn't bother me > in the least either. I think a simple effective method to prevent > potential liability might be to put video cameras in the restrooms on > corporate facilities. God knows what silliness goes on in there which > might get the company in trouble. Mandatory drug tests? Absolutely. > Seems to me that this is essential. Can't have recreational drug users > hanging around can me. By the way, alchohol is considered a drug by the > company. We'll be screening for that starting Monday. AIDS carriers? We > need to know. Never know when this might cause the corporation > embarassment, or, god forbid, liability. What if the local CPR expert > didn't know that Bill had the HIV virus and tried to preform CPR? Can you > imagine the potential liability? God, what about something more > communicable like TB? No, can't have that. We need access to all our > employee's medical records. Absolutely. > God you frighten me. Unicorn, as usual, you twist words like nobody but you (and a zillions politicians) can. You forget the fact that the association between a company and an individual is voluntary. As long as all the tests and surveillance done by the company is known by the employee, it can do anything it wants. Only, you are also free to find another employer. And in the old days of paper correspondence, what prevented a company to give five years of a given employee's correspondence to the FBI? As a business owner, I wouldn't put cameras in the bathrooms, but I would certainly *require* that an encrypting software be decypherable by the top management. Encryption is an envelope. Sometimes, it is justified that management open suspicious enveloppes. As long as a behaviour doesn't impair work performance, there is no reason to pick on it. And personnally, I'd maybe keep somebody with impaired work capabilities but negociate a pay reduction instead of firing him/her. He is free to find work somewhere. This is *NOT* coercion. Your thing about the cops having access to info is an entirely different story. If the company doesn't have the balls or the strenght to resist bullish tactics, then, it is their problems. The employee should simply have evaluated earlier if the company would sell him out to the first spook and choose to work for somebody else. What you seemed to imply when you wrote that precisionless paragraph is that, in the end, key escrow by the owners of the company and computer system is dangerous. But to the company, not having the possibility to decrypt the data they *own* and are liable for is even more dangerous. The data generated on company's time and pay is property of the company. There is no coercion. Everybody is free to act, find another employee or keep him, find another job or keep it. Period. Ciao jfa P.S. For which one of three-letter organization do you work Unicorn? -- Jean-Francois Avon, Pierrefonds(Montreal) QC Canada DePompadour, Societe d'Importation Ltee Finest of Limoges porcelain and crystal JFA Technologies, R&D consultants physicists and engineers, LabView programing. PGP encryption keys at: http://w3.citenet.net/users/jf_avon http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html ID# C58ADD0D : 529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 ID# 5B51964D : 152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C

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Re: Unicorn an NSA agent? WAS: New PGP "Everything the FBI ever dre
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:41 PM 10/5/97 -0500, jf_avon(a)citenet.net wrote: >Unicorn wrote: > >> borderline activity. It's hardly a settled point. That you are so quick >> to advocate corporate ownership of potentially private e-mail out of hand >> and without argument tells us much about your real position, Mr. >> Moscaritolo. Three words: "Expectation of Privacy." I missed the original post, but here are my $0.02. I encrypt all outgoing encrypted work email to my own key as well. I would be just as happy to encrypt it to the corporate key. If I was to send some private email from work, something that is not frowned upon at my place of employment, I would simply pre-encrypt it with just the key of the recipient. Meanwhile, I can understand the desire of a company to be able to read old outgoing email even after the employee quit or forgot their passphrase. After all, it might contain valuable information about details surrounding past negotiations with clients. Information that I would not want to be without. And PGP's Policy Enforcer has another side to it: have you ever forgotten to encrypt email that should have been encrypted? I have. With the Policy Enforcer installed, that can't happen. Which may well save big hassles in the future. All IMHO, of course. --Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. DES is dead! Please join in breaking RC5-56. http://rc5.distributed.net/

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Re: Unicorn an NSA agent? WAS: New PGP "Everything the FBI ever dre
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[I'm not on cypherpunks anymore, anyone there who wants to put me through the wringer without having to endure my response might not want to CC: me.] At 10:41 PM 10/5/97 -0500, jf_avon(a)citenet.net wrote: >Unicorn wrote: > >> borderline activity. It's hardly a settled point. That you are so quick >> to advocate corporate ownership of potentially private e-mail out of hand >> and without argument tells us much about your real position, Mr. >> Moscaritolo. Three words: "Expectation of Privacy." > >Unicorn, > >In that piece of knowledge smashing, just as you do in most >of your posts, you again mixed up things to make sure that everybody >end up knowing less than when they started. > >It is peoples like you that ended up with using Expectation of >Privacy out of it's rightfull context. Apart from various rulings of >various judges that probably smoked various herbs, can you please >tell me how anybody can rightfully expect privacy when everything >that permits them to exchange information is *owned* by somebody else >and that the use of this equipment is there *only* for the activities >of the owner of the equipment? Remember when the phone company used to lease you your phone? Surely that doesn't make the data that goes over the phone their property? If my doctor calls me at work with the results of a critical test, you believe that data is no longer private? I hope not. You think whatever goes on in a rental car I drive is the property of the rental company? That if some company rented the car they are entitled to read whatever papers I have in there? What about a hotel? A leased apartment? A restraunt back room? I challenge the "ownership gives the owner the right to all that occurs or is produced on or in the property" premise because it is just not a valid one, legally or (in my opinion) ethically. >If it weren't of the business, the >damn computer wouldn't be there. I know of many companies, consulting, law firms, accounting firms, in which employees own their own machines, laptops for example, or PDAs. Even where this is not the case, I still resist the premise that ownership of a computer translates to ownership of all the data thereon. I'm sure hackers would love it if they got title to all the data they download. Unfortunately for this position it just doesn't work that way, nor should it. I suppose ISPs could take the position that encrypted data on their systems must also be encrypted with the ISPs root key. Are you telling me you'd not have a problem with that because the ISP owns all the data on its systems? >And beside, the employee is not >paid to chat with friends, he's paid to work. If he doesn't want to >work, just fine, but not on the company's pay... Actually, most large modern firms I'm familiar with approve of and expect some degree of personal business to be transacted in the work place. Some even state this explicitly in their corporate policies and define the level of personal business that is appropriate. Never have I seen one which insists that no personal business of any kind is to be tolerated. I doubt such a firm would have a reasonable retention rate either. >Somehow, you basic premises always blows my mind. I think that you >are a *very* dangerous person. I think I might take that as a compliment coming from someone who advocates the kind of data ownership views that you seem to. I hope to be thought of as dangerous by those kind of entities. >I've been watching you for almost >three years over Cypherpunks and e$-etc and other forums. >Virtually *all* of your posts have this >blow-up-their-basic-premises-and-let-them-with-nothing-but-confusion >style. Blame law school. If my position on this issue makes me some kind of troublemaker, you better point the same finger at Schneier, who (if quoted accurately) shares my view. >Your style shows intelligence and skill in the way you do >it, which rules out idiocy on your part. So, clearly, you have >an agenda I do. Unimparied privacy for individuals in all contexts. Now tell me how PGP5.5 contributes to that cause, particularly in the current political climate. The timing looks extremely suspect to me. Challenging the premise that corporates own the flesh and mind of every employee within the walls of their facilities doesn't really strike me as something pro-estlablishment or bearing the hallmarks of some sinister plot, unless perhaps one is on a law-enforcement or far right corporate-facist spectrum. P2, the italian corporate-facist movement, held similar views after the second world war, so your ideas are not new. My view is, however, that this is the wrong way for the world to progress. If beliving that employees don't sell their souls to large corporations because they accept their paychecks is evil, call me evil. At the same time I beleve that companies don't tell their soul to a given government just because they do business on a given "soil." This strikes me as consistant. Perhaps you will disagree. >I cannot help but having the nagging feeling that you're on some >three-letter agency payroll because you have the uncanny habit of >disrupting and diverting some important discussion. If correcting legal errors, highlighting the flaws in basic premises and pointing out general gaps in logic, which is what I think I've been doing for the many years I've been poking around on c'punks an elsewhere, is disrupting and diverting, perhaps the "important discussions" are on the wrong tact. Glazing over the messy details of any policy, which seems to be what your "disrupting and diverting some important discussion" clause is advocating, is a rather sly tactic really. "If all these privacy extremists would just shut up about the details of our plan, we could get something done without diversion and distraction." Sound familiar? Always look at those calling for silence with suspicion. >I always wanted >to killfile you but always refrained to do so just to be able to read >the last finely crafted basic premises-smashing abomination. Actually, I don't even usually proofread my stuff. I'm pleased it gives you the impression of some fine craftsmanship, or bears the indications of some grand conspiracy, but in reality its off the top of my head. The consistancy you see is probably because I don't waiver in my principles when it comes to privacy. >So, again, which of the three-letter agency sends you a paycheck? Clearly, any answer I deliver to this question only harms me. I've seen this trick before. >Or are you doing is only for a secret decoration? What kind of decoration? Are you offering me one? (Aside from "Snide Asshole Lawyer of the Year" or something I mean).

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Internet Kiosk New Revenue For ISP
by netpecker＠freemanchester.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Attention Internet Service Provides. NetPecker Inc. is now making a limited time offering for distributors of following equipment NetPecker VM4100 a free standing Internet terminal / kiosk ideal for shopping malls, hotel lobbies, restaurants, etc. Advertise your Internet service and collect cash at the same time. Cash and informational terminal / kiosk now available. Purchase lease options. Retail starting price $4995.00. Benefits: New revenues, leverage your infrastructure, increased name recognition. For more information visit: http://www.netpecker.com or return e-mail: ispinfo(a)netpecker.com

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