December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Crypto, C4 Explosives, and Destroying the Infrastructure
by Michael Wilson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: >However, there are a couple of *obvious* errors. My supposition is that he >"pulled his punches" a little, choosing to gloss over certain things which >would have made the "terrorist" essentially impossible to detect. (The most >glaring error, which he surely knew better about, was to assert that NSA >could break any cipher if given enough time and computer power.) I would assume that anyone considering the potential of infrastructural warfare attacks in a dramatic setting would have to handicap the moves of the opposition force--the mechanisms of tradecraft in the modern age are such that the anti- and counter-terror forces are whistling in the dark as they pass the graveyard. Steve Schear wrote: >Any intelligent terrorist knows that explosives are old hat. >Perhaps this is an opportunity for CPs to join in and re-write the book >with a more factual basis and outcome, are re-publish on-line. I volunteer >to OCR. The modern terrorist or opposition force will use whatever makes them the most effective--if that means, on the cost/benefit curve, that they use explosives, then by all means they will. Terrorism evolves under pressures much the way any other social element does; in this case, evolutionary pressures are those of environment and predators. As the security increases or improves, terrorists have historically advanced as well (guns to explosives when airport security improved, and the coming shift to chemical or biological weapons, as thermal neutron analysis comes on-line). Predators, such as intelligence or law enforcement, merely serve to cull the herd a bit, which is why you see fewer but more effective terrorist attacks, even as narrowly defined in the recent U.S. State Dept. reports. As for publication or other expansion on the subject matter, let me point out my own work on the topic (always pro strong crypto, pro cypherpunks, incidentally). Infrastructural warfare is a field that should interest cypherpunks-- it has been my strongest argument for getting government out of the security and cryptography business for a number of years now. Feel free to reference the URL: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/4843/ Particularly of interest to cypherpunks (or anyone with an interest in how to run an untraceable opposition force that could give most of the infrastructure a good thrashing): Waging IWAR (1997) >From the Introduction: "So as not to alarm the reader, let me advise you that this paper is intended as an informal presentation of the material, very much in the spirit of 'let us conspire!' What has been sorely lacking in treatments of the infrastructural warfare (IWAR) subject matter has been a practical, personal approach of thinking about, planning, and waging IWAR operations. Given the nature of most of the professionals acting as documentarists, the published materials are strong on theory and speculation, and short on practical guidelines. I shall attempt to begin to fill that gap, and I hope the reader will accept a temporary 'partnership in crime' as we work through the problems facing an opposition force (OpFor) together. This paper is be broken into four sections: -Definitions, assumptions, and theory; the conceptual basis of IWAR is important to review; -Exploration of OpFor as a practical matter; -A set of IWAR potential operations, for which I have chosen a variety of examples; -Defense-In-Depth, battling IWAR." Infrastructural Warfare Threat Model (1997) Abstract: A threat model is essential to proving the validity of the threat posed by infrastructural and information warfare (I2WAR); exploration of the scope/activities of the threat are essential to understanding the threat and mounting a defense against it. An opposition force' is postulated and explored for its intent, organization, communications, recruiting, armament, intelligence gathering and analysis, and funding. A methodology for defining the infrastructure and dependencies is proposed. I2WAR is defined as conflict oriented around denial of service attacks on physical infrastructure elements (including targets such as communications, public utilities, financial organizations, transportation mechanisms, public facilities/events, emergency management services, commerce, and government), denial of service attacks on virtual' infrastructure elements (information warfare), psychological warfare operations (attacks on decision processes), and technologically augmented political warfare (agitation, subversion, rioting; propaganda). Conclusions are drawn, including suggestions for a defense-in-depth. Battle for the Soul of Information Warfare: Pearl Harbor vs. the Hashishim (1997) Abstract: Infowar has at least two distinct camps, each operating with different basic assumptions on the threat. As these assumptions are critical to threat modeling and defense strategies, comparing the differences is essential. The assumptions of the Pearl Harbor' mass denial-of-service infowar attack are contrasted with those of the Hashishim,' subtle efforts of perversion; the historical case is presented to demonstrate the reasoning regarding the labels. Contrasted are assumptions regarding opposition force approach, intent, focus, targets, scale of attack, resources of opposition force, management, command and control, organization, funding, intelligence, defensive focus, and political view of the problem. Considering the Net as an Intelligence Tool (1996) An exploration of the fitness of the net for intelligence gathering and operational support; this is usually an assumption made by many of the theorists on the subject, but I thought a detailed explanation worth engaging in. Michael Wilson 5514706(a)mcimail.com

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Nature of Anarchy/ Anarchy of Nature
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sunday, May 18, 1997 - 20:46:37 MET Our form of gov't is based on the Judeo-Christian rooted belief in unalienable rights. (though the concepts has been around long befor judaism) These are rights endowed upon us by the life force, they are inherent in our creation and are subject only to the laws of the universe not by any king, or human leader, and so they cannot be taken away by or infringed on by any human leader or groups. The whole of the physical universe is bound by laws we do not make but can only seek to understand. Tuning in and acting in harmony with the laws of the universe furthers us in our development( ie agriculture). Exploiting the laws greedily leads to our destruction.(ie thoughtless industrialization). Furthering nature/the life force is good, opposing nature, seeking to conquer and exploit it, is bad from our human perspective. The constitution and bill of rights was the original AP document with a series of checks and balance designed to keep ultimate power, the right to speak out, organise, gather together, rise up and bear arms, in the hands of the people so no one group could impose the tyranny of their beliefs and the masses. I believe it is human nature to cast off the bonds of oppression. This is the assertion of the life force that always seeks to sustain and perpetuate itself in the greatest possible array of diversity. I believe this was a major quantum leap in the history of human thought and concioussness. A giant step in the right direction of our true divinity but it was sorely flawed; By the concept of property rights. This is where the founding fathers eogos got in the way. The liberation movements of the last century have been based on the same concept of unalienable rights and have attempted to fine tune the document for a more equitable distribution of planet power to correct the flaw. You don't need a weatherman or a clinton to know which way the wind blows. You don't need to be literate to know who is taking what from whom. You don't need a judge to tell you right from wrong. you have instincts that can tell you just fine. Religion in the earliest sense was the bringing together of the group in an understanding of their commonanlity and uniqueness in a way that stirred up ones feelings of awe for the power of the universe in order that we would discover our commonality while at the same time instilling a repect for each of our uniqness. So we could be inspired to submit to our inner and outer natures and act in harmony with it and show benevolence in our relations with each other. This is the ultimate anarchist, a ninja warrior of natures rainbow, who fights to defend the unalienable rights endowed on all by life force. I believe that most of the folks on this list aspire to a form of self govt. A belief and trust in the anarchy of nature tempered with the benevloence brought about by the recognition of our common humanity. A state of affairs where each is a ninja/captain of their own soul. Who recognize the inhernet rights of all and act accordingly without coercion or direction from an outside source, for the laws of the universe are within us. Who respect the rights of the individual and can let them that would destroy themselves destroy, themselves and them that would live to live. To live and let live and live and let die. I believe the network is the link to the next level of evolution of human thought and self gov't. A new religion where we can rediscover our common humanity and regroup as a planet, as the one human tribe. A way to explore our comon roots and learn and develop appreciation and respect for our differences. Where in spite of all efforts to propagandize and spread hate our commanality will emerge. Where all voices can be heard and equitable solutions worked out. Not by "sheeple" but by people allowing their primal natural instincts to govern their actions to be it to shun, support or defend or defeat someone or something. We are retaking repsonsibility for our selves and our fellow humans. Again, you don't need a Weatherman or an FBI man to know which way the wind blows. Look outside your window then look inside your window. Rainbow Warrior

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No Subject
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sunday, May 18, 1997 - 20:46:37 MET Our form of gov't is based on the Judeo-Christian rooted belief in unalienable rights. (though the concepts has been around long befor judaism) These are rights endowed upon us by the life force, they are inherent in our creation and are subject only to the laws of the universe not by any king, or human leader, and so they cannot be taken away by or infringed on by any human leader or groups. The whole of the physical universe is bound by laws we do not make but can only seek to understand. Tuning in and acting in harmony with the laws of the universe furthers us in our development( ie agriculture). Exploiting the laws greedily leads to our destruction.(ie thoughtless industrialization). Furthering nature/the life force is good, opposing nature, seeking to conquer and exploit it, is bad from our human perspective. The constitution and bill of rights was the original AP document with a series of checks and balance designed to keep ultimate power, the right to speak out, organise, gather together, rise up and bear arms, in the hands of the people so no one group could impose the tyranny of their beliefs and the masses. I believe it is human nature to cast off the bonds of oppression. This is the assertion of the life force that always seeks to sustain and perpetuate itself in the greatest possible array of diversity. I believe this was a major quantum leap in the history of human thought and concioussness. A giant step in the right direction of our true divinity but it was sorely flawed; By the concept of property rights. This is where the founding fathers eogos got in the way. The liberation movements of the last century have been based on the same concept of unalienable rights and have attempted to fine tune the document for a more equitable distribution of planet power to correct the flaw. You don't need a weatherman or a clinton to know which way the wind blows. You don't need to be literate to know who is taking what from whom. You don't need a judge to tell you right from wrong. you have instincts that can tell you just fine. Religion in the earliest sense was the bringing together of the group in an understanding of their commonanlity and uniqueness in a way that stirred up ones feelings of awe for the power of the universe in order that we would discover our commonality while at the same time instilling a repect for each of our uniqness. So we could be inspired to submit to our inner and outer natures and act in harmony with it and show benevolence in our relations with each other. This is the ultimate anarchist, a ninja warrior of natures rainbow, who fights to defend the unalienable rights endowed on all by life force. I believe that most of the folks on this list aspire to a form of self govt. A belief and trust in the anarchy of nature tempered with the benevloence brought about by the recognition of our common humanity. A state of affairs where each is a ninja/captain of their own soul. Who recognize the inhernet rights of all and act accordingly without coercion or direction from an outside source, for the laws of the universe are within us. Who respect the rights of the individual and can let them that would destroy themselves destroy, themselves and them that would live to live. To live and let live and live and let die. I believe the network is the link to the next level of evolution of human thought and self gov't. A new religion where we can rediscover our common humanity and regroup as a planet, as the one human tribe. A way to explore our comon roots and learn and develop appreciation and respect for our differences. Where in spite of all efforts to propagandize and spread hate our commanality will emerge. Where all voices can be heard and equitable solutions worked out. Not by "sheeple" but by people allowing their primal natural instincts to govern their actions to be it to shun, support or defend or defeat someone or something. We are retaking repsonsibility for our selves and our fellow humans. Again, you don't need a Weatherman or an FBI man to know which way the wind blows. Look outside your window then look inside your window. Rainbow Warrior

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test
by Jacks-Biz＠usa.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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No Subject
by wraith＠ahrens.callnet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Jim Bell goes to Jail!
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - From the Oregonian Sunday edition May 18, 1997 page D-10: IRS agents arrest Vancouver man who called for killing federal workers * James D. Bell, who wrote the 10-part essay, "Assassination Politics," faces charges of interfering with a U.S. officer By John Painter Jr. of the Oregonian staff VANCOUVER - A Vancouver man who has written about assassination of government officials and whose home was raided in April has been arrested by IRS agents on charges of interfering with a federal officer. James D. Bell was held without bail in the Clark County jail. On Monday, the IRS will transport him to U.S. District Court in Tacoma for his first appearance. He was arrested without incident Friday evening while waiting for a bus after work. IRS agents could not be reached for comment, and the complaint underlying the criminal charge was sealed and unavailable. The Clark County Jail confirmed that Bell was a prisoner there, held on a federal detainer. A friend of Bell's, Robert W. East, said Bell phoned him from jail and told him he was arrested for interfering with a federal officer. The affidavit for the April search warrant accused Bell of "directly soliciting others to set up a system to murder government officials" and "obtaining the home address of an IRS employee, as well as information about bombs and bomb-making materials." Bell is the admitted author of a 10-part essay called "Assassination Politics," which has been circulated widely on the Internet, particularly in anti-government forums. "Assassination Politics" discusses creation of an organization to reward those killing public officials while protecting assassins' identities. IRS agents searched East's home in Vancouver on Thursday. East said he was questioned for about 90 minutes, during which time agents asked him about a "stink-bomb attack" on an IRS office in San Diego or Long Beach, Calif., and a "propane bomb" found at another IRS office. In that search agents found a 3- foot carbon fiber that East said he got from Bell for an electrolysis experiment. Federal agents since have focused on a Bell theory that carbon fibers could be used to sabotage computer hard drives, thus disabling them. East confirmed Bell's interest in using carbon fibers as a "computer killer" but dismissed it as a "goofball idea." The search warrant for East's home shows that the government also is interested in determining whether Bell and others have experimented with volatile chemicals in preparation for attacks on IRS offices and agents. The search warrant for Bell's home shows that agents were searching for evidence of "threats, assaults, obstruction, intimidation, solicitation of murder, false statements, and the unlawful use of false social security numbers." Jeff Gordon, a Portland-based IRS special investigator, said he discovered "Assassination Politics" among items seized when IRS agents took Bell's 1986 Honda for unpaid back taxes in February. Bell denied the car was his. An IRS tally of the items inside the car included a document about a "trial" by the Multnomah County Common Law Court in January of several IRS agents, a federal magistrate in Portland, U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno and an IRS commissioner, Margaret Richardson. - --- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 5.0 beta Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBM3/BJeQCP3v30CeZAQFSLwf/S5Drnovm0dZQQE5HLODevTOVz6d9NNXK 9f+Aif6Qkf3p+iAsv98vKJv8w/M0ps3st0POuwgPZL8lQNm1IpvnOO1ef70d6vGB 0xuu87+WriZRU1MVScKIxAOYhBAtEOBZEgEAa5RNJi9XzafdMoCTx8VUsDcnVnhg WkNthZ7yB/YouDcOZ3NYk6nsbXC8SxVr8QtDRa2IhIKSCWc3QoAJ7i2Vh//bGZ22 RJBIiF/PxtE/pTLlpJLFgJLmfyffieskdi192kj0ABhp0qxmTiRiaYWftxH2T+s6 2OytBMHYQe8xGqK9ophXVOu/t5hb2aEIH3diEoSkVUG02wdAlAgTqA== =0sB7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- | "Bill Clinton - Bringing back the sixties one Nixon at a time." | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com|

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Re: PGP 5.0 beta problem
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:55 PM 5/18/97 -0700, Steve Schear wrote: >Have any other Mac CPs tried using verion 5.0 with CryptDisk? When the >PGPMenus extension is installed any attempt to open an encrypted volume >generates a "Not enough memory to mount disk" message. I ahve pleanty of >RAM abd suspect a lack of System memory (e.g., stack space). Seems PGP 5.0 still has some major problems. I can't even get the installer to work on Win95. It complains about a lack of disk space. I have >1GB free. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred "I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence." Mahatma Gandhi

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DES search making serious progress
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Folks, The DES key search is making serious progress. The leading contender seems to be DESCHALL http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm They are currently searching >3.5 billion keys per second. Estimated time to completion is 14 weeks. It is no longer a question if the key will be found. We now need to make sure that it is found as quickly as possible. Please download and run the software. Thanks, -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred

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More on the Jim Bell case
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The local news just had a story on the Jim Bell case. They are now claiming that the search warrent (how the news people got a copy is a big question) included Sarin nerve gas and Anthrax (not the band). The news story was a pretty interesting hatchet job. Included a number of horsemen and prominently mentioned encryption. They claimed that the reason for the raid on East's home was because he sent Bell encrypted messages containing various evil and unauthorized thoughts. Why am I not surprised... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 5.0 beta Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBM4D6e+QCP3v30CeZAQHE4Af/TVM1CJHKCu+1YE1MJ7rifbRmfINGI7jv EPYv/6Hd4ymKTuvVL40lvjCCTUTcOvPssFsJRUpjiRSBugVmbw7q4FbbBwG8cE3Y SsaB+hFcJWBoWfs/aGBbHPv5ZBFdmWDoqFBIfAbnxeSBNLCEPYF5Uv+b59BbwSeL fk8yavmAeCO0tieXU0MZwZUpavodNAD1WC7JlPHE1UYZAjy67WOW2UxwLaNgI5VM LeHmBKYBUxEUdofuUUGbLoUNAFvj009Lq4n0vTR5op1bxoClaXia20t8BW4xAZoR Y8ZqEBrQ+hlDjRJaWKUjVSq1AmOeoVbhL/18fN7WvxiAPn6aNuP++A== =w8P/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- | "Bill Clinton - Bringing back the sixties one Nixon at a time." | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com|

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Re: referers and W3 (fwd)
by Hal Finney 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Eric Murray, <ericm(a)lne.com>, writes, regarding Referer spoofing: > What would make sense to use, other than sending > "http://this/is/a/bogus/referrer/sent/to/mess/up/your/stats"? > How about sending the current URL as Referrer? One practical idea would be to set up the config file so that whenever URL X is referenced, specified URL Y is sent as the referer. This could be useful for accessing web sites which won't show you information unless (or if) they see a certain value in the referer field. Hal

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Sun Sells Encryption Software Overseas, Skirting U.S. Policy
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tomorrow's Wall Street Journal: http://interactive3.wsj.com/edition/current/articles/SB863997652645676500.h… Sun Sells Encryption Software Overseas, Skirting U.S. Policy By DAVID BANK Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. -- Sun Microsystems Inc. plans to sell advanced data-security software from a Russian supplier to overseas customers, a move that skirts U.S. export regulations and is likely to receive close U.S. government scrutiny. Sun is expected to announce Monday that it will sell encryption software licensed from Elvis+ Co., a company formed by scientists from the former Soviet space program. Sun I actually think that Elvis+ is mostly composed of the former KGB scientists, not space scientists. I may be mistaken though. -- igor has a 10% equity stake in the Russian firm. The Elvis+ products will be shipped to overseas customers from Sun distributors in third countries to keep them from falling under U.S. jurisdiction. Sun's move illustrates how global market pressures are making it increasingly difficult for U.S. officials to control the spread of advanced encryption hardware and software. The technology, which scrambles data to protect it from computer eavesdroppers, is considered vital to the growth of electronic commerce. But export of powerful encryption products is barred under U.S. export-control laws, on grounds that terrorists and others will use it to evade surveillance. Challenge to U.S. Policy The Sun action will cause the Clinton administration to face a difficult decision, said Jim Bidzos, president and chief executive of RSA Data Security Inc., a unit of Cambridge, Mass.-based Security Dynamics Technologies Inc., a major supplier of encryption technology. "The government has to shut this down, or else the competitors of Sun probably have to say, 'We're going to do the same thing,' " he said. Mr. Bidzos, a long-time critic of the export controls, praised Sun's move as "blatant and in-your-face." An administration official said Sunday the White House didn't have enough information to comment. Computer-industry executives, concerned that they could lose a valuable market to foreign competition, have long discussed strategies to exploit loopholes in the export laws. But Sun appears to be the first major company to use foreign software to supply overseas customers. Sun executives said they hadn't discussed the plans with U.S. government officials but had strictly adhered to current laws. "This is not being done to subvert export-control laws but to deliver solutions to customers," said Humphrey Polanen, general manager of Sun's network-security products group. "Never before have organizations outside of the United States had access to such advanced security software." Privacy advocates said Sun's initiative would boost their goal of making high-strength encryption widely available. "We think the benefit for security outweighs the liability for law enforcement," said Jerry Berman, executive director of the Center for Democracy and Technology in Washington, D.C. Critical Distinction Elvis+ is based in Zelenograd, a Moscow suburb that was once known as the "Soviet Silicon Valley." The company's products are based on a security protocol called SKIP that was developed by Sun, but Sun says it provided no technical assistance to the Russian company. The distinction is crucial; the export controls cover any product developed with such assistance from a U.S. company. The product, which will be marketed under the name SunScreen SKIP E, employs various encryption algorithms, or formulas, including so-called three-key triple DES and 128-bit ciphers, which security experts consider to be virtually unbreakable. The algorithms, in wide use within the U.S., are used to scramble digital communications; in general, the longer the bit length of the encryption key, the more difficult the code is to break. Current export controls allow the export of cryptography keys up to 40 bits, which have been cracked by computer hackers in as little as 10 minutes. Companies with special approval from the Commerce Department have recently begun exporting 56-bit encryption software, but customers have been clamoring for much stronger keys. Global Competition The restriction on U.S. exports has opened market opportunities for strong encryption products from foreign competitors, including Germany's Brokat Informationssysteme GmbH and Siemens Nixdorf Informationssysteme AG, a unit of Siemens AG. "Sun's announcement is further evidence that current U.S. policy is forcing companies to look overseas to obtain strong encryption," said Edward Black, president of the Computer and Communications Industry Association, a Washington D.C., trade group that is lobbying for relaxation of the export controls. Last year, RSA Data Security announced plans to fund an effort by Chinese government scientists to develop strong encryption technology, but the effort has stalled, Mr. Bidzos said. RSA now sends legally exportable products to its Japanese subsidiary, RSA Japan, for bundling with Japanese encryption software. "I can't just let this world-wide global electronic-commerce market take off without participating," Mr. Bidzos said. Sun's Mr. Polanen said SunScreen SKIP E+ will work with other products based on the SKIP protocols. A commercial version will be available in August; evaluation copies are available for download from an Elvis+ site on the World Wide Web. The software will be priced at $99 for versions that run on Microsoft Corp.'s Windows 3.1 and Windows 95 operating systems and at $149 for the Windows NT version.

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Jim Bell News
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Painter, the Oregonian reporter of Jim Bell's arrest, said this evening that he's got another story coming out tomorrow that will reveal more of the situation, and that he'll fax a copy (which I'll post unless Alan does). Mr. Painter says: Jim's still in the Tacoma, WA, federal jail. There was a prelim today and a hearing is due Friday. The feds are keeping the case documents sealed. Speculates that someone may be squealing on Jim in a deal. Jim cannot receive calls but can call out collect. A U.S. Federal Defender has been assigned to represent Jim: Peter Avenia, tel: 253-593-6710. Mr. Avenia did not return a call. The U.S. District Court Judge is J. Kelly Arnold. Court Clerk is Kelly Miller, tel: 253-593-6313. The Oregonian's telephone: 1-800-452-1420. A man at Jim's home politely said he did not want to talk about it. Tel: 360-696-3911.

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Re: Nature of Anarchy/ Anarchy of Nature
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Steve Schear wrote: >Even better, "The Road to Surfdom," F.A. Hayek, totally debunks the basis >of a planned economy and how the loss of property ownership and economic >freedom leads directly and inevitably to totalitarianism. ............................................................ Or my favorite of all time: "Human Action" by Ludwig von Mises. It's a large book - it could keep a collectivist New Age philosopher busy for hours. But even just reading the first few chapters would be sufficient to provide some usefully deep ideas to explain fundamental things about economic truths, of the kind which many cpunks are already in agreement with. .. Blanc .. Blanc

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Re: Mail bombs from "helpful" Cypherpunks
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:26 PM 5/18/97 -0800, Tim May wrote: >As I explain in my message to Steve Schear, I have no way of >removing such "mail bombs" with my Eudora/POP system until they >have been downloaded to my machine (I don't have a shell account anymore). Eudora does have a "Only download messages less than ___K" option that can reduce this problem; I don't know if there's also a way to delete the message from Eudora without downloading it. Netscape Mail has similar options. The old Netcom Netcruiser mail client software let you download just the headers and then pick what messages to read ; I don't know if the new NetComplete stuff does that or not. Netcruiser was ugly and somewhat broken, but occasionally did useful things. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: Jim Bell goes to Jail!
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:12 PM 5/18/97 -0700, Alan Olsen wrote: >It is interesting that they have kept the warrent sealed. This, more than >anything makes me question the legitamacy of the whole affair. Sounds like >the IRS is planning a preemptive strike on the Common Law Courts and the >people behind them. There are two reasons I can think of immediately why the feds would keep the warrant sealed. The first is that they don't want to reveal just how little evidence they have. The second reason is that the warrant might give some clue as to future actions/other suspects. Remember that the IRS agent found the AP essay by means of an Internet search engine. That almost certainly means he is following the discussions about Jim Bell on the Net. Such as the discussion on Cypherpunks. It must be truly frightening to this person to read some of the threads on this list. Nerve gas, C4, race-specific biological weapons, bypassing airport security systems, not to mention money laundering and tax evasion, what hasn't been discussed here? The feds may not be aware that the discussions on this list are usually of a theoretical nature. Perhaps they decided to go after the "co-conspirators". Like the anarchists in California with their AR-15's who have so many mags that they can't even remember where they all are. :-) The fact that Jim is held _without bail_ would indicate to me that there is more going on than might meet the eye. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred "I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence." Mahatma Gandhi

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Re: Jim Bell goes to Jail!
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:28 PM 5/18/97 -0700, Alan Olsen wrote: >(There are also a number >of >psychological studies that show that people will do all sorts of horrific >things to their fellow man when someone in authority tells them to. If they >are led to believe that they are "bad" in some way, many will enjoy it.) Right. I read a book on that. I think it was called "The Millgram Experiment". Normal people would administer (fake, but they didn't know it) electroshocks to a subject even after the subject had stopped moving and could have been assumed to be unconscious or even dead. An excellent demonstration of the power of authority. And the gullibility of the average person. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred "I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence." Mahatma Gandhi

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Re: Just Say "No" to Congress
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Vladimir Z. Nuri, blowing smoke out his ears, wrote: >the question is not "how do we hold the government accountable for >our cash" but, "*when* will we"? [and] >anyone who disbelieves in the authority of the US government >yet sends them their tax money is a hypocrite. .......................................................................... The first sentence implies that Nurilogical proposes that government should be held accountable by its citizens, including himself ("*when* will we"). On the other hand, he obviously believes in the authority of the US government, as he has always supported it in arguments on the list, especially in counter arguments against TCM. So, it appears that VZN is not *ready* to hold the government accountable, preferring not to protest when his own money is withheld for him, but hypocritically wondering when everyone will make this will happen. However, he's correct: similar to the argument I made about there being no difference between those who kill the good along with the bad & the ugly (that's from the title of a Clint Eastwood movie, for those who aren't familiar with that line), all those who argue for morality and libertarian ideals, but still "give in" when it comes to tax time, are all losers. <g> But this shameless capitulation is intellectualized away with the explanation that everyone is outnumbered by the men holding the legalized guns, who are in turn supported by all those true believers in The American Socialist Way of Life; that way being: the reception of benefits without any need to be consciously aware of, to identify, their actual source or the actual method of their obtainment. .. Blanc .. Blanc

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The Recent Trend in "Collective Contracts"
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm not a lawyer, but I am interested in the various ramifications--and the constitutionality--of recent "sweeping contracts" between vendors, lawmakers, consumers, etc. Two recent example: 1. The "tobacco agreement." Supposedly a deal involving the transfer of $360 billion from some number of tobacco companies in exchange for dropping of liability suits, immunity from future claims, voluntary restrictions (!) on advertising, etc. (And the "etc." is especially complicated in this huge case.) 2. The "voluntary ratings" agreement being announced today by Al Gore and some of the television networks. (Earlier "voluntary agreements" were implemented, but, according to supporters of censorship, "failed." Hence the new push for newer voluntary restrictions.) The issue, it seems to me, is that ordinary concepts of illegality and civil liability are being swept aside in favor of these huge "deals" to reduce liability in exchange for various actions. Well, who is bound by these deals? If "Tim's Tobacco Company" starts up next year, after this deal is "signed," is his company bound by this deal? If Tim the Smoker develops lung cancer, is he blocked from suing? (Caveat: My personal and libertarian view is that lawsuits against cigarette companies are wrong and should not be supported in a free society. And lawsuits by various states to "recover health care costs" are especially bogus. By this logic, McDonald's could be sued by California because California paid out more health care benefits to meat-eaters than it did to vegetarians. Utterly bogus.) Anyway, the free speech aspects of these deals are also worrisome. The "voluntary restrictions" on advertising, for example. Would the aforementioned "Tim's Tobacco Company," not a party to this Grand Deal, be somehow bound by a deal wherein it could not sponsor sporting events? Or advertise? Or even speak out against the deal? Imagine the implications for cryptography, using the logic of these kinds of deals: "The voluntary agreement reached between the cryptography industry and Washington calls for companies to voluntarily limit key sizes to 64 bits unless a key recovery scheme is used. And Washington agrees to drop RICO charges against PGP Inc. and RSA Data Security Inc. in return. Book publishers, who became part of the negotiations last summer, have agreed to limit the information published in books in exchange for relaxations on the export requirements for computer media. " Far fetched? Perhaps. But note the similarities to these other "collective contracts." And in many ways the Telephony Act, aka CALEA (Communications Act for Law Enforcement Access), was just such a deal. When the various telecom companies essentially said "we can live with this bill," they were tacitly committing themselves to just such a collective contract. (What happens when a new telecom company starts up and finds that it has been "bound" to provide wiretap points into its switches?) It seems to me that these contracts are going to collapse completely when the Supreme Court points out that they bind nonparticipants to terms which limit their constitutionally protected rights. (Quibblers can claim that "corporations have no constitutional rights," but the publishing companies which publish newspapers would take exception to this. And so on. There are many cases where corporations are enjoying the fruits of the Constitution. As it should be.) These huge mega-deals are a crummy way to interpret the U.S. Constitution. I fear the "Grand Compromise" deal that the telecom and crypto companies are being drawn into. --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Electronic Commerce Book
by Ravi Kalakota 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Announcing a new book on Electronic Commerce -------------------------------------------- Electronic Commerce: A Manager's Guide by Ravi Kalakota and Andrew Whinston -------------------------------------------- ISBN: 0-201-88067-9, softcover, 440 pages, 1997 PUBLISHER: Addison-Wesley (1-800-822-6339) -------------------------------------------- This book is a manifesto for a new set of managers who seek to reap the elusive rewards of the online marketspace. This book offers a multitude of real-world scenarios and lessons for building value and creating the competitive edge. The book answers strategic questions such as: - What business models are competitors using in the various industry segments of e-commerce? - What are the key management questions that need to be addressed in order to create an effective buisness online? - How should companies be organized using Intranets to manage the external commerce? If you lead a small startup or work in a Fortune 1000 firm, whether your company has an established online presence, or is just starting out, The Manager's Guidemay be the most important book you read this year. Table of Contents: ------------------ 1. Introduction to Electronic Commerce Defining Electronic Commerce Brief History of Electronic Commerce Forces Fueling Electronic Commerce Electronic Forces Marketing and Customer Interaction Forces Technology and Digital Convergence Implications of Various Forces Electronic Commerce Industry Framework The Information Superhighway Multimedia Content and Network Publishing Messaging and Information Distribution Common Business Services Infrastructure Other Key Support Layers Putting the Framework into Action: Microsoft Corporation Types of Electronic Commerce Inter-organizational Electronic Commerce Intra-organizational Electronic Commerce Consumer-to-Business Electronic Commerce Intermediaries and Electronic Commerce Key Questions for Management Competitive Pressure External Threat Incorporating Changes Designing New Organizational Structures Managerial Options and Priorities Summary 2. The Internet and the Access Provider Industry Internet Service Providers Key Market Drivers for the Internet Who Is Making Money on the Internet Clarifying Internet Terminology Companies Providing Internet Access Internet Topology Differentiating Market Segments: Commercial versus Consumer Internet versus Online Services Open versus Closed Architecture Controlled Content versus Uncontrolled Content Metered Pricing versus Flat Pricing Innovation versus Control Predicting the Future of the IAP Market Convergence Leading to Competition Service and Capacity Management Customer Service, Loyalty, and Retention Marketing Customer Education Changing Technology behind Internet Access Changing Technology behind the Access Provider Summary 3. World Wide Web--Applications Brief History of the Web What Exactly Is the Web? Why Is the Web Such a Hit? The Web and Ease of Use The Web and Ease of Publishing The Web as a New Distribution Channel The Web and Network-Centric Computing The Web and New Intra-Business Applications The Web and Electronic Commerce The Web and Intra-Business Commerce Other Intranet Applications Intranet Advantages and Disadvantages Management of Intranets Understanding the Intranet Architecture Summary 4. World Wide Web--Concepts and Technology Key Concepts behind the Web Overview of the Web's Technical Architecture Interactive Web Applications Interactive Applications Interactivity and Information Integration Web Extensions for Interactive Applications Web and Database Integration Web Database Products HTML Forms and CGI Programs Web Software Developmental Tools Need for Better Programming Languages New Programming Language: Java Technically Speaking: What Exactly Is Java? Role of Java in Electronic Commerce How Does Java Work? Business Reasons for Using Java Multimedia Web Extensions Virtual Reality Modeling Language (VRML) RealAudio Internet and Web-based Telephony Directories and Search Engines Lycos Summary 5. Firewalls and Transaction Security Firewalls and Network Security Types of Firewalls Firewall Security Policies Emerging Firewall Management Issues Transaction Security Types of Online Transactions Requirements for Transaction Security Encryption and Transaction Security Secret-Key Encryption Public-Key Encryption Implementation and Management Issues World Wide Web and Security Netscape's Secure Sockets Layer Security and Online Web-based Banking Summary 6. Electronic Payment Systems Overview of the Electronic Payment Technology The Online Shopping Experience Limitations of Traditional Payment Instruments Electronic or Digital Cash Properties of Electronic Cash Digital Cash in Action Electronic Checks Benefits of Electronic Checks Electronic Checks in Action NetCheck: A Prototype Electronic Check System Electronic Check Project Online Credit Card-Based Systems Types of Credit Card Payments Secure Electronic Transactions (SET) Other Emerging Financial Instruments Debit Cards at the Point of Sale (POS) Debit Cards and Electronic Benefits Transfer Smart Cards Consumer, Legal, and Business Issues Summary 7. Electronic Commerce and Banking Changing Dynamics in the Banking Industry Changing Consumer Needs Cost Reduction Demographic Trends Regulatory Reform Technology-based Financial Services Products Home Banking History Why Will It Be Different This Time? Home Banking Implementation Approaches Home Banking Using Bank's Proprietary Software Banking via the PC Using Dial-Up Software Banking via Online Services Banking via the Web: Security First Network Bank Open versus Closed Models Management Issues in Online Banking Differentiating Products and Services Managing Financial Supply Chains Pricing Issues in Online Banking Marketing Issues: Attracting Customers Marketing Issues: Keeping Customers Back-Office Support for Online Banking Integrating Telephone Call Centers with the Web Summary 8. Electronic Commerce and Retailing Changing Retail Industry Dynamics Overbuilding and Excess Capacity Demographic Changes Consumer Behavior Technology Improvements in Electronic Retailing Online Retailing Success Stories Online Retailing: Peapod's Experience CUC International Wine on the Web: Virtual Vineyards Web-based Travel Agencies Mercantile Models from the Consumer's Perspective Distinct Phases of a Consumer Mercantile Model Prepurchase Preparation Purchase Consummation Postpurchase Interaction Management Challenges in Online Retailing Come Up with a Retailing Strategy Manage Channel Conflict Learn to Price Online Products/Services Deliver a Satisfying Shopping Experience Design the Layout of an Online Store Manage Brands Create the Right Incentives Summary 9. Electronic Commerce and Online Publishing Why Online Publishing? Online Publishing Strategies Online Publishing Approaches Full-Text and Bibliographic Databases Personalized and Customized News Business Information and News Delivery Edutainment = Education + Entertainment Online Publishing Success Stories PointCasting Time Warner's Pathfinder Disney Online Integrating TV and Data Streams: Intercasting Advertising and Online Publishing An Online Publishing Missing Piece: Measurement Digital Copyrights and Electronic Publishing Online Copyright Protection Methods Summary 10. Intranets and Supply-Chain Management Supply-Chain Management Fundamentals Pull versus Push Supply-Chain Models Elements of Supply-Chain Management Integrating Functions in a Supply Chain Managing Retail Supply Chains The Order Management Cycle (OMC) Supply-Chain Application Software Software for Supply-Chain Management Recent Trends in Application Software What Is the Business Market? Understanding the Application Software Architecture Future of Supply-Chain Software Intranets and Network-Centric Computing Intranets and Application Software Impact of the Web on Application Software Elaborating on the Intranet Architecture What Remains to Be Done? Summary 11. Intranets and Customer Asset Management Why Customer Asset Management? Challenges in Implementing Customer Asset Management Customer Asset Management and Supply Chains Online Sales Force Automation What Is Sales Force Automation? Elements of Online Sales Automation Intranets and Sales Automation What Are the Management Issues? Online Customer Service and Support The Web and Customer Service The Role of Technology in Customer Service What Are the Business Requirements? The Enabling Intranet Technology Technology and Marketing Strategy Marketing Decision Support Systems Marketing Decision Support Applications Summary 12. Intranets and Manufacturing Defining the Terminology Integrated Logistics Agile Manufacturing Emerging Business Requirements Customer-Driven Manufacturing Rapid Internal Response to Demand Changes Efficiently Managing Supply Chain Complexity Manufacturing Information Systems Discrete versus Process Manufacturing Market Types of Manufacturing Information Systems Intranet-Based Manufacturing Customer-Driven Manufacturing Real-Time Decision Support Intelligent Process Management Logistics Management Problems with Traditional Logistics Management Case Study: Microsoft Corp Integrated Logistics Objective of Modern Logistics Function Forecasting Purchasing Distribution Management Electronic Data Interchange (EDI) Benefits of EDI EDI in Action Why Has EDI Adoption Lagged? Summary 13. Intranets and Corporate Finance Intranets and Finance What Exactly Are Financial Systems? What Do Financial Systems Do? Financial Intranets Understanding the Different Software Modules Transaction Accounting and Electronic Commerce Financial Analysis and Management Accounting Inventory Accounting Payment Management Treasury and Cash Management Human Resources Management Systems HRMS Functions Size/Structure of Financials Software Market Product Strategy Financial Data Warehouses How Are Firms Using the Web for OLAP? Desirable Software Requirements Summary

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Domain names and "The Network $olution", from The Netly News
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

*********** http://pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1155,00.html The Netly News Network (http://netlynews.com) July 10, 1997 The Network $olution by Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) It could have been the perfect way to liberate the Net from the much-reviled monopoly of Network Solutions Inc., the company that handles almost all U.S. domain name registrations. Backed by well-regarded groups such as the Internet Society, the seven-page proposal promised to reduce prices, increase choices -- and best of all, really put the screws to everyone's least favorite domain name registrar. But a month before the curtain is set to lift on a host of new domains to supplement .com and .org, the ambitious plan suddenly seems as doomed as the recently extirpated Communications Decency Act. Not only did just one government, Albania, sign the "Memorandum of Understanding" (MoU), but the U.S. actively opposed it. So did Network Solutions, after they realized with gut-wrenching dismay the consequences of losing their lucrative monopoly on .com. Yesterday another group of MoU critics met in Washington to form the Open Internet Congress, which hopes to wrest control of Net governance from "hobbyists" and "volunteers" and haul it into the mainstream. "I don't want a bunch of volunteers playing around and trying to run the show. I don't want petty battles over who's in charge and who's keeping the lights on," says Andrew Sernovitz, the president of the Association for Interactive Media, which organized the summit. Sernovitz envisions a ruthlessly commercialized cyberspace that's safe for companies like IBM, Intel, NBC and Time Warner (Netly's corporate big brother) that cough up $9,000 a year to be governing members of AIM. The talk yesterday was of revolution. Sernovitz spoke about holding an Internet "Constitutional Convention" this fall. He passed out supportive columns quoting from "Common Sense" by Thomas Paine. I even heard folks call the MoU the move that will spark the online equivalent of the Boston Tea Party. (Led, presumably, by firms like Time Warner? Since that media giant also owns CNN, you can be sure the revolution will indeed be televised.) [...]

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No Subject
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy Mayhem's father, an idiot, stumbled across Timothy Mayhem's mother, an imbecile, when she had no clothes on. Nine months later she had a little moron. ---- '@ *> Timothy Mayhem |\ 7 / `-- _

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Re: More PGP volunteers needed
by Mark Grant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lucky Green wrote: > It would speed things up if more non-US citizens living outside the US > willing to proofread source were to contact Stale Schumacher at > <stale(a)hypnotech.com> to volunteer some time. You can wait for the source > to show up on your favorite ftp site, or you can make it happen. Your > choice. Well, when I mailed Stale about it a week or two ago he said he already had over seventy volunteers. The problem may just be latency; my hundred pages took about twelve hours of mind-numbing work to correct (mostly spent getting the right number and combination of spaces and tabs in strings), so while I was able to do it in two days I could certainly understand some people taking a week or more to finish theirs. Plus, of course, the inevitable delays from sending the pages out by snail-mail. Mark

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Re: Cast of Characters for Crypto Politics (Judiciary Hearing)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > At 8:06 PM -0700 7/9/97, Declan McCullagh wrote: > >Here's a cast of characters from today's hearing... > > Except maybe for Ashcroft--and it may be too soon to tell about him--the > rest have just shown their expected colors. I say we just hang them all and > be done with it. Legislators should be made to vote with their dicks hanging out. Any legislator with fresh lipstick on his dick gets his vote thrown out. It may not be a perfect system, but I wouldn't bet against it being better than what we have now. > Many of us warned long ago that Leahy was no friend of liberty, despite his > soothing comments at the SAFE forum last summer. His support of other > statist policies makes him just another fool on the Hill. The "classified briefing" by LEA smells like a classic example of "Of course, if you vote against this bill then we will be forced to expose you as a champion of pedophiles and drug czars." > A law to ban domestic use of strong crypto is coming. All it will take is > some horrific incident--another bombing in a building, another Dahmer case, > etc., where crypto is involved in any way. This will be the catalyst for > the outlawing of unapproved crypto. So you're sitting there at the police computer, checking out Dahmer's floppies, which contain only letters to his mother, and you realize that if they are encrypted, then they are proof that he has something sinister to hide. Hmmm... Or you realize that the Judge will imprison Tim May for contempt of court until he provides his secret key, and you realize that if it is encrypted with a key Tim doesn't have, that the Judge will have to decide whether to believe the outrageous accusations of Tim May, Jim Bell's best friend (according to a reliable informant), against a champion of law enforcement. > ... > >SEN. JOHN KYL (R): Criticized Kerrey for being too > >moderate. "My own view is that the legislation does > >not go far enough," Sen. Kyl said of the McCain-Kerrey > ... > > The competition to outdo the others is beginning, signalling the usual > stampede toward the passage of a bill. There are times that I wish Tim was a little less perceptive. It would give me a little room for self-deception when I need to take a break from reality and try to tell myself that there is some slim ray of hope for freedom and liberty to prevail. Why is it that the "stampede" always seems to manage to head in the direction needed to trample the constitution underfoot (like tornados sniffing out trailer parks)? SEN. JOHN ASHCROFT (R): Emerged as a staunch crypto-defender. I originally thought that perhaps he was taking this stance as a matter of principle, but then I heard that he had purple lipstick on his dick. Does anyone know what color Blanc wears? (Just curious. I certainly wouldn't want to start any unfounded rumors. However, for the record, I would like to assure Blanc that if the bill happened to be defeated by a substantial margin, I wouldn't think any less of her.) I think I need to go spank myself. TruthMonger

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TRUTHMONGER UNMASKED!!!
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate, realizing that he finally had solid evidence as to the true identity of the coward hiding behind the TruthMonger persona, forwarded to the list: > OPEN MICROPHONE CATCHES CHRETIEN'S CRITICISM OF CLINTON > From Senior White House Correspondent Wolf Blitzer > > Apparently unaware the microphone in front of him was on, Chretien > bragged that his country does not let the United States dictate its > policy, and suggested American politicians make decisions solely for > reasons of expediency. > > "In your country, in my country, all the politicians would be in > prison because they sell their votes," Chretien said. Spoken like a TruthMonger! I always had my suspicions that the main person using the TruthMonger multi-user persona on the CypherPunks list was acting out of some kind of obsessive, guilt-driven psychosis as a form of repentance for great evils being commited under his true identity. Chretien, as Prime Minister of Canada, has to live with the knowledge that in order for his country to survive he needs to kowtow to a gang of criminals in a neighboring country who have the firepower to smoke the Canadians' butts in a heartbeat. The TruthMonger posts are more sporadic when Chretien is involved in international conferences, and it is now obvious that the pressure of living a lie builds up and spills out at these times when he cannot relieve himself of his guilt using his TruthMonger posts. I suspect that Belgian Prime Minister Jean-Luc Dehaene is Rabid Wombat and Luxembourg's Prime Minister Jean-Claude Juncker is masquerading on the list as Dr. Dimitri Vulis, KOTM. The CypherPunks list is the one place where they can let their hair down and tell Big Brother Bill and the whole goddamn world what they really think. > He also said Clinton was in favor of inviting Poland, Hungary and > the Czech Republic to join NATO because it would woo voters. > > Speaking in French, the Canadian prime minister said: "It's not > reasons of state. It's all done for short-term political reasons, to > win elections. Take the quarrel over whether to admit the Baltic > states. That has noting to do with world security. It's because in > Chicago, Mayor (Richard M.) Daley controls lots of votes for the > nomination." Or, as Chretian would have put it, as TruthMonger, "Big Brother Bill is a lying, Nazi, sack of shit whose main concern in regard to world security is his ability to use it to suck Daley's big vote-cock." > The three leaders laughed as they waited for the Clinton and his > advisers to arrive for the meeting. True CypherPunks, they are laughing their asses off that "we the sheeple" let these charlatans and criminals rob and oppress us under the guise of democracy. > He (Chretien), he's used to not doing > what they want," Juncker said. > > "I make it my policy," Chretien said. "But it's popular. The Cuba > affair. I was the first to stand up" against it U.S. policy > tightening the economic embargo on Cuba. Unfortunately, he didn't have the political balls to testify for the defense in the Timothy McVeigh trial, so he had to express his support for McVeigh as TruthMonger. > The three leaders chuckled among themselves. What the fuck is wrong with the American people? Here are three world-leaders who openly acknowledge that the U.S. is in the hands of gangsters who would be imprisoned for crimes against the citizens and the country if justice truly prevailed in America. And a single conversation, accidentally(?) revealed such as this one, is no doubt just the smallest of samples of the stinking rot that lies at the heart of a gang of criminals who are actively working to subvert the constitution of the country in the interests of furthering their ever- tightening, fascist grip on the reins of power. The same government which trained Timothy McVeigh to kill (and then fucked over his Desert Storm compatriots when their service to their country cost them their health) used their trained, "it's all there in the press release" news dogs to turn their own penny-ante hired gun into a "monster" symbolizing patriotic paramilitarists whose concern lies with defending America at home rather than murdering foreigners for "votes." Slipping in the polls because you murdered and fucked over too many of your own citizens? Whack out a pile of worthless foreigners with high-tech weapons that allow us to slaughter them wholesale without losing any American lives. Watch your poll stats rise as Americans stand and cheer the murder of defeated, retreating troops by aircraft missles which weren't designed to take prisoners. Act surprised when 800 government law enforcement agents with the latest in technology claim to be unable to prevent men, women and children that were victims of a botched government assault from dying a horrible, burning death. Act outraged when the chickens come home to roost in Oklahoma City. > "In your country, in my country, all the politicians would be in > prison because they sell their votes," Chretien said. The reason they are not in prison here is because they are armed and dangerous and have managed to disarm and disenfranchise their citizens, making any resistance to government fascism a criminal offense. We get to vote for the criminal of our choice from among the group of criminals that the other criminals pre-select for us and whose campaigns they support with our stolen booty. If a "ringer" slips through, such as Kennedy, he is murdered and the criminals make a great show of patriotic mourning. If a no-name schill is foisted on the public as vice-president,like Agnew, and will take power because the "gang leader" is getting busted, remove him on the basis of what are "parking tickets" compared to the crimes of most of your cronies. World-leaders recognize that the American citizen is just a stupid 'mark' who is getting fucked in a sophisticated con by men who have no qualms about stealing senior citizen's life savings (Social Security) stealing votes and elections (bribery, sabotage and power mongering), and stealing the rights and freedoms of the citizens by lying about the need to stop illegal drugs (which remain freely available no matter how many of our rights and freedoms are stripped). I don't have a death-wish of any sort, but if I happen to get killed by someone striking back at the enemies of freedom who are usurping the constitution to tighten their criminal control over the citizens, then I can think of far worse reasons to die. We lose 169 people every time a bean-counter decides it's cheaper to pay off the families of the dead instead of spending an extra nickle on every seat-belt installation in an automobile. We lose 169 people every time some Senator decides we need a new weapons system instead of new hospitals or medical services. We lose 169 people every time the President decides to stomp on the citizen's rights instead of giving them enough freedom to feel like they can face life without numbing their senses to the stench around them with ever-increasing amounts of narcotics. Gambling is a government-regulated criminal enterprise, now, and Timothy McVeigh's ante was just to establish that the citizens are in the game. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see some heavy betting taking place from all the players who choose to "sit in." American sheeple may regard McVeigh as a "monster," but world-leaders make a strong case for viewing him as a "crime-fighter." A. Cretin

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