December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: "...markets are fundamentally chaotic, not efficient"? Really?
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mr. Crispin? Fuck you. With a brick. Now, exactly what did that nasty little bit of vituperation have have to do with our admittedly equivocal discussions about the definition of randomness, and whether any given market was a random process -- definitional prestidigitation aside -- and thus as efficient as it was ever going to be? Something any finance major, and probably any electrical engineer, for that matter, is taught in the third week of school? Not a god-damned thing. A point, which, if you actually go back and *read* the asinine (woops!) bit of logical sophistry (so sorry!) you eventually found yourself in, you might have actually comprehended. If you didn't fancy yourself as God's Gift to Disputation (damn... another one; I simply *must* stop this). Which, of course, was my point in showing you all your ad hominems. A point you didn't actually get, insisting on piling on more instead, so you could "prove" your point with a veritable bestiary of informal fallacies. (The nadir of which, by the way, was asking me to clarify something I said in passing, and then calling it a "straw man" in reply. Remarkable.) Having watched you for a while, and having determined that you have nothing new to add to the discussions here, I have no compunction whatsoever about putting you into my killfile. With a brick, Mr. Cretin^h^h^h^hispin. <Plonk!> Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA Lesley Stahl: "You mean *anyone* can set up a web site and compete with the New York Times?" Andrew Kantor: "Yes." Stahl: "Isn't that dangerous?" The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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Fuck/god-damned/damn / Was--Re: "...markets are fundamentally chaotic, not efficient"? Really?
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Robert Hettinga wrote: > > Fuck you. With a brick. > god-damned > damn... As a long-time sufferer of Tourette Syndrome, I would like to thank all those on the list who have gone out of their way to make me feel at home. -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/webworld

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Re: "internet is ruining representative govt"
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: > *To: Multiple recipients of list <info-policy-notes(a)essential.org> > *Subject: Cokie Roberts on How Internet Is Ruining Representative Government > For many parents, the idea of yet another influence in their children's > lives over which they have no control is threatening. Kookie Roberts is just another in a long line of parents who seem to think that control over their children's development is the responsibility of someone other than themselves. I have a wonderful idea. How about if those parents who don't want to assume responsibility for control over their children's lives pass custody of them to someone who will assume that responsibility, instead of arguing that everyone else's rights must be abridged because they are busy doing other things. I, for one, don't want to be forced to live in Kookie's world just because she is too busy being busy and important to properly supervise her children. -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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Re: Appeals to Authority and Herr Doctor Professors
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Kent Crispin wrote: > > my opinions are my own, and do not represent any agency > other than the ones involved in the murder of J.F.K. Uhh...OK. -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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[ADMINISTRATIVIUM] Degausser
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Embedded in Timothy C. May's babblings are preposterous lies, wild distortions, child pornography (both as graphic descriptions and in JPEG format), ethnic slurs, and racial epithets. <<<< o(0-0)o -ooO-(_) Ooo-- Timothy C. May

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the substrate
by *****Jay Jason LaBelle***** 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What exactly happens to the substrate that causes data to be somewhat readable after a specific bit pattern has been stored there for a long time? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jay LaBelle Amateur Radio Callsign: KB8ZAV Phone:(317)495-2836 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Business Opportunity
by Henry Summers 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Sierra On-Line FAQ
by Sierra On-Line 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: "...markets are fundamentally chaotic, not efficient"? Really?
by Kent Crispin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, Apr 12, 1997 at 04:57:57PM -0400, Robert Hettinga wrote: > Mr. Crispin? > > Fuck you. With a brick. [...] > Having watched you for a while, and having determined that you have nothing > new to add to the discussions here, I have no compunction whatsoever about > putting you into my killfile. > > With a brick, Mr. Cretin^h^h^h^hispin. > > <Plonk!> > > Cheers, > Bob Hettinga Well, you've probably all seen this before, but somehow it seemed appropriate for the occasion: Pierre, the French fighter pilot, takes his girlfriend, Marie, out for a pleasant little picnic by the river Seine. It's a beautiful day and love is in the air so Marie leans over to Pierre and says: "Pierre, kiss me!". So our hero grabs a bottle of red wine and passionately splashes it on Marie's lips. "What are you doing, Pierre?" shrieks Marie. "Well, my name is Pierre, the French Fighter Pilot, and when I have red meat I like to have red wine!" His answer is good enough for Marie and things begin to heat up. So she says: "Pierre, kiss me lower." Our hero rips off her blouse, grabs a bottle of white wine and starts pouring it all over her breasts. "Pierre, what are you doing?" "My name is Pierre, the French Fighter Pilot, and when I have white meat, I like to have white wine!" They resume their passionate interlude and things really steam up. Marie leans over once more and softly whispers into his ear: "Pierre, kiss me lower." Pierre tears off her underwear, grabs a bottle of Cognac and sprinkles it all over. He grabs a match and lights it on fire. Patting the flames out furiously, Marie screams: "PIERRE, WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!!?" "My name is Pierre, the French Fighter Pilot, and when I go down, I go down in flames!" -- Kent Crispin "No reason to get excited", kent(a)songbird.com the thief he kindly spoke... PGP fingerprint: B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44 61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55 http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html

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Digi-Cash IPO! $1.60 per share
by chairman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: LSL5 - Patty can't get into Studio 2
by tdls＠voyager.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

When you get to the bottom of the elevator, you have to go one screen to the right to get to the right studio. Then you can use the number from the blue stickum. -- (This message was sent to you automatically as a reply to a message you posted in "The Land of the Lounge Lizards" on Sierra's web site at http://www.sierra.com/messages/larry/.)

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None Zero-knowledge commit
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim C. May styles his facial hair to look more like pubic hair. /_/\/\ \_\ / Tim C. May /_/ \ \_\/\ \ \_\/

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NSA on GAK
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Excerpts of remarks by NSA head William Crowell to NISSC96, October, 1996: Key recovery may prove essential in making encryption scalable on an international basis. We are not the only country wrestling with the public safety implications of unbreakable cryptography. France, Israel and Russia recently imposed import and domestic use restrictions. Several Asian, South American and African countries have had similar restrictions in place for years. Others may impose them as strong cryptography proliferates. For many overseas, as well as here, the logic of the need to balance business imperatives with public safety concerns argues for key recovery. The European Union and other confederations are considering key recovery-based KMIs. The world's major standards bodies are designing future standards so that key recovery can be accommodated. International standards and protocols for key recovery may prove essential to hand off national restrictions on strong encryption, to promote a broad export market for cryptography and to establish a key management infrastructure acceptable for general international use. This would accelerate the realization of the promise of information technology, and that would be in everyone's best interest. Working in partnership, government and industry together need to lay the foundation necessary to sustain and strengthen information security for America. I wish to emphasize that the infrastructure for key management will be built by industry as a commercial venture. This task is huge. Collaboration among many partners will be essential if we are to establish a KMI that promotes the use of encryption worldwide. ----- For full talk: http://jya.com/nsagak.htm

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Re: SSL weakness affecting links from pa
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:41 am -0400 on 4/13/97, Rich Graves wrote: >I've been told that the main reason > almost the entire MSN team left Microsoft about a year ago is that they > were prohibited from pursuing more efficient non-proprietary solutions. Hettinga's paraphrase of Gilmore's Law: "A geodesic economy sees monopoly as damage and routes around it." Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA Lesley Stahl: "You mean *anyone* can set up a web site and compete with the New York Times?" Andrew Kantor: "Yes." Stahl: "Isn't that dangerous?" The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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Re: NSA on GAK
by geeman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[I think the other exceprt was based on this one, from Charles IX of France in 1563] Printing press registration may prove essential in making printing and literacy managable on an international basis. We are not the only country wrestling with the public safety implications of printing presses. France, Israel and Russia recently imposed import and domestic use restrictions. Several Asian, South American and African countries have had similar restrictions in place for years. Others may impose them as printing presses proliferate. For many overseas, as well as here, the logic of the need to balance business imperatives with public safety concerns argues for printing press registration. The European Union and other confederations are considering printing press registration-based infrastructures. The world's major standards bodies are designing future standards so that printing press registration can be accommodated. International standards and protocols for printing press registration may prove essential to hand off national restrictions on printing and literacy, to promote a broad export market for printing presses and to establish a infrastructure acceptable for general international use. This would accelerate the realization of the promise of information technology, and that would be in everyone's best interest. Working in partnership, government and industry together need to lay the foundation necessary to sustain and strengthen information security for America. I wish to emphasize that the infrastructure for printing press registration will be built by industry as a commercial venture. This task is huge. Collaboration among many partners will be essential if we are to establish a PPRI that promotes the use of printing and literacy worldwide. =========================================================================== At 10:47 AM 4/13/97 -0400, John Young wrote: >Excerpts of remarks by NSA head William Crowell to >NISSC96, October, 1996: > >Key recovery may prove essential in making encryption scalable >on an international basis. We are not the only country wrestling >with the public safety implications of unbreakable cryptography. >France, Israel and Russia recently imposed import and domestic >use restrictions. Several Asian, South American and African >countries have had similar restrictions in place for years. Others >may impose them as strong cryptography proliferates. > >For many overseas, as well as here, the logic of the need to >balance business imperatives with public safety concerns argues >for key recovery. The European Union and other confederations >are considering key recovery-based KMIs. The world's major >standards bodies are designing future standards so that key >recovery can be accommodated. > >International standards and protocols for key recovery may prove >essential to hand off national restrictions on strong encryption, to >promote a broad export market for cryptography and to establish >a key management infrastructure acceptable for general international >use. This would accelerate the realization of the promise of information >technology, and that would be in everyone's best interest. > >Working in partnership, government and industry together need to >lay the foundation necessary to sustain and strengthen information >security for America. I wish to emphasize that the infrastructure for >key management will be built by industry as a commercial venture. >This task is huge. Collaboration among many partners will be >essential if we are to establish a KMI that promotes the use of >encryption worldwide. > >----- > >For full talk: > > http://jya.com/nsagak.htm > > >

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PaleoAnthro: Mail List Life Cycle
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Authentication-Warning: list.srv.cis.pitt.edu: majordom set sender to owner-paleoanthro using -f Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 01:06:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Fraser <mattf+(a)pitt.edu> X-Sender: mattf(a)unixs2.cis.pitt.edu To: Paleoanthropology List <PaleoAnthro(a)list.pitt.edu> Subject: PaleoAnthro: Mail List Life Cycle MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-paleoanthro(a)list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PaleoAnthro(a)list.pitt.edu Hey All, Dug this up from another list that I've been on for a few years now. Thought it might be of interest. Matt ----------- THE NATURAL LIFE CYCLE OF MAILING LISTS Every list seems to go through the same cycle: 1. Initial enthusiasm (people introduce themselves, and gush alot about how wonderful it is to find kindred souls). 2. Evangelism (people moan about how few folks are posting to the list, and brainstorm recruitment strategies). 3. Growth (more and more people join, more and more lengthy threads develop, occasional off-topic threads pop up). 4. Community (lots of threads, some more relevant than others; lots of information and advice is exchanged; experts help other experts as well as less experienced colleagues; friendships develop; people tease each other; newcomers are welcomed with generosity and patience; everyone -- newbie and expert alike -- feels comfortable asking questions, suggesting answers, and sharing opinions). 5. Discomfort with diversity (the number of messages increases dramatically; not every thread is fascinating to every reader; people start complaining about the signal-to-noise ratio; person 1 threatens to quit if *other* people don't limit discussion to person 1's pet topic; person 2 agrees with person 1; person 3 tells 1 & 2 to lighten up; more bandwidth is wasted complaining about off-topic threads than is used for the threads themselves; everyone gets annoyed). 6a. Smug complacency and stagnation (the purists flame everyone who asks an 'old' question or responds with humor to a serious post; newbies are rebuffed; traffic drops to a doze-producing level of a few minor issues; all interesting discussions happen by private email and are limited to a few participants; the purists spend lots of time self-righteously congratulating each other on keeping off-topic threads off the list). OR 6b. Maturity (a few people quit in a huff; the rest of the participants stay near stage 4, with stage 5 popping up briefly every few weeks; many people wear out their second or third 'delete' key, but the list lives contentedly ever after) _____________________________ Robert Warner rwarner(a)electrotex.com I speak but for myself,.... _____________________________ --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA Lesley Stahl: "You mean *anyone* can set up a web site and compete with the New York Times?" Andrew Kantor: "Yes." Stahl: "Isn't that dangerous?" The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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A Rumor and Reputation Paradox...
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here's something from cyberia which talks about the persistence of anti-reputation memes even in the presence of perfectly contradictory information. We've all heard about apocryphal stories, the $50 Corvette and the like, but here's a case which has financial reprocussions. It reminds me of the "satanism" claims about the Procter and Gamble moon and stars corporate symbol a while back. My first attempt at tackling this would be some kind of distributed reputation system, but it seems to me that if someone I trusted said something bad about Mr. Hilfinger, in the absence of any other respectable data, I would believe them. I guess that means the need for reputation "rental", like what financial intermediaries do, and also what we now call journalism, will increase, not deminish, in geodesic markets. Cheers, Bob Hettinga --- begin forwarded text Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 23:58:30 -0400 Reply-To: Law & Policy of Computer Communications <CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> Sender: Law & Policy of Computer Communications <CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> From: Larry Kolodney <lkk(a)WORLD.STD.COM> Subject: Re: America Online and liability... the Horror To: CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Recall the libertarian maxim that the best response to >offensive speech is more speech. To anyone who actually believes this bit of 18th century enlightenment mythology, I would recommend the article "Dirty Linen: Why are they saying all those mean things about Tommy Hilfiger?" by Lakshmi Gopalkrishnan in the current edition of Slate (http://www.slate.com/TangledWeb/97-04-10/TangledWeb.asp) In essence, the article documents a number of vicious rumours which have been spread on the internet about the clothing designer Tommy Hilfiger and allegedly racist comments that he made on the Ophrah Winfrey show. Not withstanding the fact that 1) Mr. Hilfiger never appeared on the Winfrey show and never made the statements in question, and 2) Hilfiger Co. has engaged in an online P.R. campaign to counter these rumours, they are persistent and widespread. According to the article: BEGIN QUOTE A spotty paraphrase of the allegations appeared in a Nov. 13, 1996, article in the Philippine newspaper Isyu. Titled "Eat Your Clothes, Mr. Racist Designer," the piece has been excerpted on the Official Philippine Anti-Tommy Hilfiger site. The writer tiptoes around the charges, but is markedly less tentative when expressing her outrage. "I am shocked," she fulminates. "If [Hilfiger] really did insult my people, you can bet I will do every single thing I can in my power to make sure that his label never makes it here." Forums ranging from soc.culture.african.american to talk.rumors and Streetsound have been thick with anti-Tommy talk of late. When rumors of the designer's alleged racist outbursts filtered into the mainstream media, they were debunked by Time magazine, USA Today, and the Washington Post. But that didn't stem angry calls for a boycott of his products. Nor did the official response of the Hilfiger Corp. Claiming to have become aware of the brouhaha only recently, the company has posted a memo on various anti-Tommy sites detailing the "simple and incontrovertible facts": Hilfiger has never been on Oprah. Hilfiger has never been on Style. Far from wanting to limit his appeal, Hilfiger is on record about wanting to cross ethnic lines to appeal to everyone everywhere. *** In theory, the Web should be as good at eradicating legends as it is at cultivating them, but in practice, denials are quickly buried by new messages and updates. A week ago, Hilfiger's official response clogged newsgroup indexes. Today, it has been swamped by even newer anti-Tommy postings and returning favorites. END QUOTE Lest you think that such rumours are just a minor irritant and part of doing business, consider that, according to the article, "In the late 1980s, purported connections with the Ku Klux Klan so damaged the reputation of athletic-wear manufacturer Troop (whose name was rumored to be a Ku Klux Klan acronym for "To Rule Over Oppressed People") that it was forced into bankruptcy." So here we have vicious rumours being spread about a company with millions of public relations dollars at its disposal, and it is helpless in the face of a rumour that has not one grain of truth to it. After reading this account, how could anyone seriously argue beleive individuals such as the hapless Mr. Zeran have the slightest ability to counter defamation with "more speech" over the internet? (Note that Mr. Zeran did not even have an internet account!) Larry Kolodney --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA Lesley Stahl: "You mean *anyone* can set up a web site and compete with the New York Times?" Andrew Kantor: "Yes." Stahl: "Isn't that dangerous?" The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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Re: How to IGNORE massive To: and Cc: spams
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) writes: > > [this is only of interest to UNIX(tm) users. Windows users, please ignore] I suspect that a typical Windows user with a POP account usually has a unix account and a home directory (although its shell may be /etc/false or some such); he may be able to ftp to it and create a .forward file pointing to procmail, who will look at the incoming mail before passing on to his PPP. I don't really know shit about this, so don't flame me if this doesn't work. :-) --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: A Rumor and Reputation Paradox...
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Timothy C. May" <tcmay(a)got.net> writes: > be it. Anti-free speechers, including Larry Kolodney and including those > who support libel and slander laws, would have us believe that "false > speech" is not as protected as "true speech" is. Foo on that.) That from a vocal supporter of Cocksucker John Gilmore's plug-pulling... --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: SSL weakness affecting links from pa
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:41 AM 4/13/97 -0700, Rich Graves wrote: >Or blame it on the client. Microsoft handled the utter absence of security >in their WFW/Win95 SMB implementation by claiming, falsely, that Samba was >sending "illegal commands." After a thorough public thrashing, the Win95 >product manager eventually changed that to "specific networking commands," >with no retraction and no indication that the document had changed. Heh. Sending illegal or unexpected commands to a program is _the_ standard way to break security; if they can't defend against that, they're hosed. I'd reserve the phrase "utter absence of security" for systems that let you ignore the permissions by just asking nicely :-) ><URL:http://www.research.microsoft.com/research/os/main.htm> Interesting paper. I was surprised it didn't explicitly mention Plan 9 when it was discussing other operating systems, though mentioning Inferno does include that indirectly. It also didn't mention security - it talked about the kind of world where you can just buy a computer, turn it on, plug it in, and it'll find whatever resources it wants in the One Big Operating System. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Competitive Betrayal
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Weekend FiTi reports on "the enemy within" corporations and the growth of "competitive intelligence" as cold war spy tactics are adapted to big business. Excerpts: Nobody in the surveillance business really knows how much commercial spying goes on. A lot of the eavesdropping is done, perfectly legally, by managers listening in to their own staff. It is, of course, in the interest of equipment suppliers and corporate consultants to maximise the dangers that companies face. "All companies are paranoid about their own security," said the spokesman of one well-known British multinational. "They don't seem to mind paying consultants to tell them things they know already." Yet all agree that the field of "competitive intelligence", as it is politely termed, is an expanding one. The privatisation of whole economies, the deregulation of monopoly markets, the globalisation of business, the spread of foreign investment and contested takeovers, the proliferation of technology and the sheer volume of information - all have made companies more aggressive, and more vulnerable. A consultant called in to investigate a theft may find himself pitted against another. In order to sanitise the business, a professional association called the Society of Competitive Intelligence Professionals has been set up. Its 5,000 members are meant to follow a code which vaguely urges them to obey the law, identify themselves when asking questions, and avoid "unethical practices". SCIP is influenced by the Association of Former Intelligence Officers, a group described as "very powerful" by Andre Pienaar, a young manager at the corporate investigators Kroll Associates who has written a doctoral thesis on business and intelligence. "Company information has become very valuable," he said, "more valuable than physical assets." Protecting that information is becoming ever more difficult. It is not just the tappers, buggers and hackers who are the problem, however. The problem is the loyalty - or lack of it - of employees in a world of short contracts, rapid turnover and big inducements. Tony McStravick, former acting head of the Metropolitan police Fraud Squad in London, has worked for Kroll and is now at Control Risks Group. "It all comes down to management in the end," he said. "Companies have lost the hearts and minds of their employees because of performance pay, delayering, downsizing." "You have to have a culture of honesty, from the top down. You must find the balance between maximising profits and being fair and honest. A lot of the time, companies forget they are dealing with human beings." ----- For full article: http://jya.com/tew.txt

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Re: APRIL BAY AREA CYPHERPUNKS MEETING
by jimbell＠pacifier.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:32 4/10/97 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: >The April Bay Area Cypherpunks Meeting will be held jointly with the >Clan MacDude Back To The Beach party, April 12 at Bonny Doon Beach. >( www.macdude.org , http://www.macdude.org/aprbeach.htm for event >description.) >Among other things, John Randolph was planning to do a >Great Wall of Fire with his leftover moving boxes, and various >other cypherpunks are part of the Glorious Clan, which is a generally >silly organization. While I couldn't make it this time, I'd be interested in showing up for the next Bay area meeting if somebody could provide transportation to/from the airport/train-station/bus-station. A place to crash for a night would be a big plus. Anyone volunteering to help will get "Jim Bell" autographs. Might be worth something some day... ("Get them while I can still give them"!) Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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http:--www.cnn.com-US-9704-13-mcveigh.trial-
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN logo navigation Infoseek/BigYellow/Pathfinder/Warner Bros. Main banner Samsung. Meeting the challenge. rule MCVEIGH CASE COULD SET PRECEDENT FOR JURY ANONYMITY jurors.sketch April 13, 1997 Web posted at: 4:01 p.m. EDT (2001 GMT) From Correspondent Susan Candiotti DENVER (CNN) -- Unless they decide to tell the world, the jurors who decide the fate of accused bomber Timothy McVeigh may remain forever anonymous. Trial Judge Richard Matsch assigned each jury candidate a number, and permanently sealed their records. But he has gone even further to protect their identities, ordering a partition to hide the jury box from the view of most courtroom spectators. For example, reporters must sit on one side of the court, where it's impossible to see behind the wall. matsch Georgetown University law professor Paul Rothstein says Matsch "has gone a little overboard." Unless there is evidence of danger or threat to the jurors, he says, "the presumption should be for an open trial in every respect, including being able to view the jurors." But Andrew Wolfberg, who served on the jury for the trial of Eric and Lyle Menendez, says protecting jurors' identities in the Oklahoma City bombing trial is important. "I think with this trial, there involved the death of many people ... which can in some way cause the jury to feel they have something to fear from this defendant," he said. In high-profile cases such as the O.J. Simpson trial, jurors' names are protected until the trial is over. And where TV coverage is allowed, faces are not shown on camera. mcveigh.jury Despite the secrecy, once the trial was over, some Simpson trial jurors hired agents, wrote books and hit the talk show circuit. Despite Matsch's caution and concern, some observers say he might be setting a precedent. "It's turning our system of justice upside down," says Jane Kirtley of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press. "Because what it means is that the public really has no idea of who is sitting in judgment of people accused of heinous crimes." Decisions like Matsch's, opponents like Kirtley say, deny the public's right to "know" who sits on a high-profile jury. OKC Trial Special Section T R A N S C R I P T S / O V E R V I E W / T H E P L A Y E R S T H E B O M B I N G / C N N S T O R I E S / L I N K S rule What You Think Tell us what you think! You said it... [INLINE] Samsung. Meeting the challenge. rule To the top © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Terms under which this service is provided to you.

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No Subject
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Bombing Denver? / Or: How Capt. Button Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The story thus far: An United States A-10 warplane on a live bombing run breaks formation and spends the next hour flying toward Colorado. Just short of Vail, it changes course, headed toward Denver, and then shortly thereafter changes direction, heading south, only to reverse its course, and once again head toward Denver/Vail. During this whole time, the Air Force contends that no radio contact was made, nor did they know where the plane was. They offer no explaination except an extremely weak claim that perhaps the pilot was suicidal or stressed. The bottom line is that the media seems to be totally ignoring the fact that even the military's shakey explaination of these events suggests that the American public may have been in great danger from a mentally unbalanced Air Force pilot in control of a war-machine capable of creating mass destruction upon an American city. Even the least bit of scrutiny of the trail followed by the A-10 suggests a pilot who had a destination in mind, had to take evasive action upon nearing his target, and then doubled back toward his original target. And the best explaination that the military can provide is that a U.S. warplane capable of doing major damage to a U.S. city just flew around for over an hour, with no way for the military to prevent it from bombing our citizens. The military tells us that a warplane approached some of the most sensitive military installations in the country, without being noticed or intercepted. The fact is, the military is in a no-win situation, whether they reveal that U.S. citizens were potentially endangered by the military's lack of control over U.S. warplanes, or reveal that they were forced to intercept and shoot down a U.S. warplane intending to attack a U.S. populated area. I have no doubt that the military, given time, will come up with a cover story which contains "plausibal deniability," etc., etc. The big mystery is why the media seems incapable of even raising questions probing at the obvious holes in the government's irrational explainations of this affair. TruthMonger http://cnn.com -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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