December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Should the Feds ban spam? (fwd)
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>At 16:36 -0600 2/15/98, Jim Choate wrote: >>Newspaper editors work according to policies and trusts empowered by the >>owners of the paper. They are allowed as a function of the views of the >>owners to express that choice as an *employee* of those owners. Those >>policies do not apply to the readers as would happen in the case of an ISP. >>Unless you propose that each person should have multiple accounts at >>multiple ISP's. At 06:43 PM 2/15/98 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: >This is so incoherent that it's not possible to turn into a positive statement. I found it pretty easy to parse, though incorrect - Jim assumes that each person will only deal with one ISP, and that getting spam filtering from that ISP means turning over control of all your incoming mail/news to the ISP. It's a bad assumption (even if I'm mistaken in claiming Jim assumes it :-) -- of course everybody should have multiple Internet service providers. As a Silicon Valley geek, I deal with several different ISPs offering dialup IP service, not counting my employer's dial and LAN access, or Metricom if I get it, but for most people, that's an exception. Dialup IP packet forwarding isn't the only service provided on the Net! I subscribe to a bunch of mailing lists, and even if I used an ISP that provided filtering services, I'd expect it to leave the mailing list traffic alone (and expect some of the lists to try and reduce spam sent to the list.) I also use a couple of mail forwarders - I advertise pobox.com, since it's convenient to have a permanent address even if I change ISPs. Occasionally I'll use a nymserver if I want to keep separate reputations, or an anonymous remailer for non-persistent or non-replyable email services. Pobox offers spam filtering, and while I don't use it, I think it's the service that gives you a summary of all the email it rejected if you want, which makes it much more likely that I'd buy such a service. I've found that almost all the mail I get addressed directly to my netcom address is spam (some of it's mail from real people with my old address, or mailing lists I haven't reconfigured yet.) It's convenient to be able to tell, just as I know that junk snailmail addressed to "Wired Stewart" is from the subscription I had a few years ago... I also have a couple of free services that I play with, and one of my cats has a Juno account she's been using to experiment with remailers on. And for new people getting on the net, it really makes sense to use hotmail or juno for a while until you know what you're doing, so you don't have spam following you around your whole life. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Re: Should the Feds ban spam? (fwd)
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim wrote: >>Absolutely they do, but the right is that *they* must do the filtering and >>*not* the ISP (it's a business and doesn't have fundamental rights). At 05:00 PM 2/15/98 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: >1. No, they can delegate that authority to the ISP. This is part of the >freedom to contract. Yeah. Netcom doesn't have the right to decide what I'm allowed to read, but it can decide what materials that it will transmit, if it wants, and I can decide whether to do business with them, if I want. Two of the ISPs I use for receiving email offer spam-filtering services; I'm not currently buying either of them, but if spam goes from 5% to 50% of my mail, I'll certainly consider it. (And one of them gives a summary of what it's blocked, which is good.) Ray Arachelian and Eric Blossom can't decide what messages on Cypherpunks I'm allowed to read, but they can offer the most interesting 5-10% and maybe I'll use their editing capabilities instead of reading the whole firehose myself. (I alternate between FCPUNX and the full list.) >2. People acting together have rights. A corporation is an artificial legal >construct, but a necessary one, and it has rights. Think of The New York >Times Co. and the First Amendment. Corporations aren't a necessity, just a convenience; the big law firms and accounting firms are all partnerships, and do just fine without being corporations. Corporations do have artificial rights, but as constructs of the state, the state can decide which rights to give them and which rights not to give them in return for the favor of granting corporate charters. But Jim should know better than to say that businesses don't have rights. Businesses are activities that people engage in, either as individual proprietors, or as contractors, or as partnerships, or as employees, or as corporations. One of my ISPs is a sole proprietor, though he's now got an employee or two. Doesn't diminish his rights any. Another of my ISPs is a corporation; they're big and clumsy, but I can still hire them to perform services for me, including editing if I want to. >>No true Libertarian would allow any 3rd party to censor or limit the >>information available to them. Such actions are fundamentally >>non-libertarian which believes in individual choice. Nonsense - there's far more stuff written every day than you or I have time to read; even on Usenet, I had to stop reading every newsgroup sometime around 1984 (a few years before Henry Spencer stopped :-) Depending on other people to find interesting stuff is necessary; the question is how you pick your sources and filters, and how much you trust them to tell you everything. >>Oh really? It is clear from many examples that the press is not to be >>trusted because of its interactions in past political and criminal episodes. Of course they're not - do you think anybody actually believes everything they read or see on TV (well, yeah, there seem to be people who do :-) If you want to be well-informed, you need lots of sources; one of the cool things about the net is that you _can_ get lots of information that seldom got through the official channels before. Some of it didn't get through because it didn't match the political biases of the editors or newspaper corporate owners; other stuff didn't get through because it was boring or bogus, and if you're filtering all the news yourself, you'll need to do your own guessing and fact-checking. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Re: Should the Feds ban spam? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:36:38 -0800 > From: Bill Stewart <bill.stewart(a)pobox.com> > Subject: Re: Should the Feds ban spam? (fwd) > >At 16:36 -0600 2/15/98, Jim Choate wrote: > >>Newspaper editors work according to policies and trusts empowered by the > >>owners of the paper. They are allowed as a function of the views of the > >>owners to express that choice as an *employee* of those owners. Those > >>policies do not apply to the readers as would happen in the case of an ISP. > >>Unless you propose that each person should have multiple accounts at > >>multiple ISP's. > > At 06:43 PM 2/15/98 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: > >This is so incoherent that it's not possible to turn into a positive statement. It means the employee's of the paper act as agents of the owners and not as direct right-holders of the paper itself. In other word the job of the editor, not his civil right as an owner, is what gives them the privilige at the behest of the owners to edit what appears in the paper. The only people who have a right to 'freedom of the press' are the people who *own* the press. Employees don't have rights, per se, in this only duties and responsibilities to carry out the desires of the owners. Now if we address the issue, as some proposed, of ISP's having 'global filtering' rules (eg "All cyberpromo.com accounts are filtered") *and* the purchaser may for some reason *want* to recieve cyberpromo.com traffic they are left with the only option of going to a second (or third, or ...) ISP in order to get what they want. > I found it pretty easy to parse, though incorrect - > Jim assumes that each person will only deal with one ISP, Not at all, I assume that people can deal with as many ISP's as they have money for. What I do assume is that if we expect ISP's to filter spam they have only a single option open to them. That option is to impliment a filtering policy based upon an interview and oversight by the purchasers of that account. This will increase the costs of Internet access far above the current levels. This increase in cost will naturaly strain already limited budgets and force some people to drop secondary (or tertiary, or ...) accounts because of this basic access price increase. > and that getting spam filtering from that ISP means turning > over control of all your incoming mail/news to the ISP. Not at all, the purchaser defines a spam policy that the ISP impliments. Whatever filtering the recipient wants to do over and above this is left unremarked. However, for an ISP to filter ones email to determine if it fits the policy the purchaser/recipient has defined they *will* be required to review *all* incoming mail. Otherwise how do they determine if it fits one of the categories that were defined in the contract, whether we look at it from the perspective of what to filter or what to pass along and let the customer process on their own. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | When a man assumes a public trust, he should | | consider himself public property. | | | | Thomas Jefferson | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Public transportation open to terrorism [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > STUDY: PUBLIC TRANSIT INVITES TERRORISM > > graphic February 20, 1998 > Web posted at: 6:59 p.m. EST (2359 GMT) > > WASHINGTON (AP) -- The arrests in Nevada of two men accused of > possessing anthrax or its precursor highlight the findings of a > recent federal report warning that public buses and trains are > vulnerable to terrorist attack. > > Indeed, an FBI affidavit said that one of the Nevada men had talked > about plans to spread bubonic plague toxins in the New York City > subway system. > > "For those determined to kill in quantity and willing to kill > indiscriminately, public transportation offers an ideal target," the > report said. > > The report was commissioned by the U.S. Department of Transportation > and written last year by terrorism expert Brian Jenkins. [text deleted] > Amy Coggin, a spokeswoman for the American Public Transit > Association, the trade group for public transportation authorities, > said in an interview: "There are multiple entry points (to transit > systems), most of them on a street. There's no way screen everybody > who walks down a street. Unless we're going to become a police > state, you won't see that thing happening." [text deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ | | | When a man assumes a public trust, he should | | consider himself public property. | | | | Thomas Jefferson | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Request for Web Browser Information
by dstoler＠globalpac.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I would like to know the information my browser makes available to web sites. I use both Netscape and Internet Explorer. Obviously web sites can determine my IP address for any given session; they can also look at cookies left by themselves and other sites. Can anyone point me to where I can learn exactly what other information is made available (browser version?, OS version?, system name?, user name?, etc.)? Thanks in advance. David

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by Kmiller＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: DLing from Replay.com
by Alex de Joode 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In article <a7a15ef0e0850cd6298e5b6f0dd20958(a)squirrel.owl.de> you wrote: : |Forbidden : |You don't have permission to access /security/browsers/128bit/CommunicatorUS-v401-Pro/windows/cp16d401.exe on this : |server. : |There was also some additional information available about the error: : |[Mon Feb 16 21:13:24 1998] access to : |/pub/WWW/www.replay.com/security/browsers/128bit/CommunicatorUS-v401-Pro/windows/cp16d401.exe : |failed for xxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx.xxx, reason: file permissions deny server execution My fault: the extension .exe is used for cgi-scripts @replay, so the webinterface thinks that the file is a cgi script, and not a downloadable archive so it tries to execute it which ofcourse doesnŽt work. try the following URL: ftp://ftp.replay.com/pub/crypto/browsers/128bit/ Sorry for the mess .. -- Alex de Joode | adejoode(a)REPLAY.COM | http://www.replay.com Replay Associates: Your Internet Problem Provider.

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Your WEB Site should pay you...
by MikeF＠sbbsonline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Hello
by ANDROCK 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Please, include me in the list ANDROCK

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Update
by bove＠rockument.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello all you FOBBheads, The Flying Other Brothers Band is enjoying itself! Featuring Roger McNamee, Giles McNamee, Bill Bennett, Tony Bove, Bert Keely, and Larry Marcus, with guest percussionist Corrine. NEWS ------ * Tony just had an amazing El Nino experience and is now with vehicle courtesy of Hertz. You can read his story at: http://www.rockument.com/downflood.html * Tom Cottingham shows up at Deer Valley, Utah gig for a mini-Random Axes reunion. Read about that gig below. UPCOMING EVENTS -------------------- * March 10, Internet World, L.A. -- at Billboard Live, 7pm-10pm. Fleischman Hillard party, featuring FOBBs and a band from Excite. Details to come. * March 30, DMG private party, Hotel Sofitel, Redwood City, CA -- tentative. Details to come. * July 4, Gualalapalooza, Gualala, CA -- tentative. Details to come. * Sometime in July, Amazon.com Picnic, Seattle, WA -- tentative. Details to come. THE LAST GIG --------------- We recently returned from an elite financial retreat, Morgan Stanley's Ski Weekend in Deer Valley, Utah (I know, life is tough), where we played two sets for a crowd of CEOs and CFOs, and we had them dancing on the tables! Highlights from that show: Back in the U.S.S.R. (Beatles) Secret Agent Man (Johnny Rivers) -- Roger leads these openers, both howlers, got them on their feet with a not-so-subtle political message. Brown-Eyed Girl (Van Morrison) -- Giles sings that souful lead, but this time with the two conference organizers singing backup! City of New Orleans (Arlo Guthrie) -- with guest vocalist Tom Cottingham, an original member of Random Axes Deal (Grateful Dead) -- perfect for those investment bankers in the audience. One Toke Over the Line (Brewer & Shipley) -- ... and for once, Tony's home town was not introduced as the capital of Calif. largest cash crop. Dead Flowers (Rolling Stones) -- another good one for investment bankers, this time with Morgan Stanley's chief organizer Rex playing drums. Layla (Eric Clapton) -- Just about our finest version, merging the laid-back style that won Eric so many awards with the high-octane guitar solo that made this song so interesting, plus the Duane Allman slide second part sans piano. Paint It, Black (Rolling Stones) -- Whoa! What a tambourine ride, Corrine! Giles screams this one while Tony gives us his Morroccan interpretation. Like a Rolling Stone (Bob Dylan) -- You can't beat this message. How many of these financial types actually feel like they have no home, no direction known? Complete unknown? Ticket to Ride (Beatles) -- Bert gets this guitar part exactly perfect, while Roger and Tony play John and Paul. Jack Straw (Grateful Dead) -- We can share the women, we can share the wine. Now that's something those financial types can understand... This was incandescent. Larry was once again brilliant. The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down (The Band) -- Our "Gone With the Wind" interpretation, led by Roger. Six Days on the Road (Flying Burrito Brothers and others) -- Thanks Giles, for your life story. Way to play, Tony and others... White Room (Cream) -- Tony sings, and Bert just wails on lead guitar! Last Time (Rolling Stones) -> Goin' Down the Road Feelin' Bad (Grateful Dead and others) -- Goin' where the climate suits my clothes... Dr. Bill, he of the big bottom sound, rocked the house. White Shoe Shuffle (Flying Other Brothers Band) -- Our own truly original number, written by Dr. Bill Bennett, had them rolling the aisles (laughing) as Tony sang lead. Uncle John's Band (Grateful Dead) -- We had the audience singing along on this one, in 4-part harmony. Once again, Larry knows where the time goes. Abbey Road Side 2 (Beatles) -- Bert's "Here Comes the Sun" into Roger's "Mean Mr. Mustard" and on through the rest of the songs into "The End" which absolutely captivated this crowd. Encores (yes they hollered for more): Iko Iko (Neville Brothers, Grateful Dead, lots of others) -- We brought back Rex for drums, and introduced Roger Lynch on guitar, who was already too good for us! Johnny B. Goode (Chuck Berry and everyone else) -- We just had to do it. Thanks everyone, and good night! - - - - - - - - - - They've been going in and out of style But they're guaranteed to raise a smile. --Beatles, "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" (Lennon/McCartney) - - - - - - - - - - Tony Bove bove(a)rockument.com http://www.rockument.com

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Hi, how are you !
by Kelly1＠primenet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Online Casino Partners wanted...
by partners＠worldgaming.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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HOTTEST MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY ON THE INTERNET!!
by AMF Investments 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

BEFORE YOU HASTILY DELETE THIS MAILING, PLEASE PRINT IT OUT. (NEED TO REPLY IF YOU WANT TO BE REMOVED FROM MY MAILING LIST, FAILURE TO RESPOND WILL AUTOMATICALLY REMOVE YOU FROM THE LIST) THIS IS THE HOTTEST OPPORTUNITY ON THE INTERNET AND ONE THAT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE (STYLE) FOREVER! IF YOU THINK "NOT FOR ME", THEN WHAT ABOUT FOR YOUR FAMILY! How Many Things Did You And Your Family Go Without This Past Year, Simply Because You Couldn't Afford Them? Isn't it about time you and your family got the things you always wanted? Aren't you tired of always having to tell your family: "Maybe next year we can get that new car, we just can't afford to take that kind of vacation," "I'm sorry, all I can afford for you, is junior college," or "look, my boss said he'd try to give me that raise in 6 months" THIS PROGRAM IS PROVEN OVER AND OVER, TIME AND TIME AGAIN! THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF THOSE WHO HAVE SEEN IT WORK AND CONTINUE TO USE IT BECAUSE IT DOES WORK!!! Hello! My name is Matthew Forti; I'm a 45-year-old father, and husband. As a rule, I delete all unsolicited "junk" e-mail and use my account primarily for business. I received what I assumed was this same e-mail countless times and deleted it each time. About two months ago I received it again and, because of the catchy subject line, I finally read it. Afterwards, I thought , "OK, I give in, I'm going to try this. I can certainly afford to invest $20 and, on the other hand, there's nothing wrong with creating a little excess cash." I promptly mailed four $5 bills and, after receiving the reports, paid a friend of mine a small fee to send out some e-mail advertisements for me. After reading the reports, I also learned how easy it is to bulk e-mail for free! I was not prepared for the results. Everyday for the last six weeks, my P.O. box has been overflowing with $5 bills; many days the excess fills up an extra mail bin and I've had to upgrade to the corporate-size box! I am stunned by all the cash that keeps rolling in! I promise you, if you follow the directions in this e-mail and be prepared to eventually set aside about an hour each day to follow up (and count your money!), you will make at least as much money as we did. You don't need to be a wiz at the computer, but I'll bet you already are. If you can open an envelope, remove the money, and send an e-mail message, then you're on your way to the bank. Take the time to read this so you'll understand how easy it is. Believe me, it works! GO FOR IT NOW! Sincerely, Matthew Forti The following is a copy of the e-mail I read: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ This is a LEGAL, LOW-COST, MONEY-MAKING PHENOMENON. PRINT this letter, read the directions, THEN GET STARTED TODAY! You are about to embark on the most profitable and unique program you may ever see. Many times over, it has demonstrated and proven its ability to generate large amounts of cash. This program is showing fantastic appeal with a huge and ever- growing on-line population desirous of additional income. This is a legitimate, LEGAL, money-making opportunity. It does not require you to come in contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave the house, except to get the mail and go to the bank! This truly is that lucky break you've been waiting for! Simply follow the easy instructions in this letter, and your financial dreams will come true! When followed correctly, this electronic, multi-level marketing program works perfectly... 100% OF THE TIME! Thousands of people have used this program to: - Raise capital to start their own business - Pay off debts - Buy homes, cars, etc., - Even retire! This is your chance, so read on and get started today! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OVERVIEW OF THIS EXTRAORDINARY ELECTRONIC MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING PROGRAM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Basically, this is what we do: We send thousands of people a product for $5.00 that costs next to nothing to produce and e-mail. As with all multi-level businesses, we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the U.S. allows you to recruit new multi- level business online (via your computer). The products in this program are a series of four business and financial reports costing $5.00 each. Each order you receive via "snail mail" will include: * $5.00 cash * The name and number of the report they are ordering * The e-mail address where you will e-mail them the report they ordered. To fill each order, you simply e-mail the product to the buyer. THAT'S IT! The $5.00 is yours! This is the EASIEST electronic multi-level marketing business anywhere! FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS TO THE LETTER AND BE PREPARED TO REAP THE STAGGERING BENEFITS! ******* I N S T R U C T I O N S ******* This is what you MUST do: 1. Order all 4 reports shown on the list below (you can't sell them if you don't order them). * For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS (in case of a problem) to the person whose name appears on the list next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE IN CASE OF ANY MAIL PROBLEMS! * When you place your order, make sure you order each of the four reports. You will need all four reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. * Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the four reports. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. 2. IMPORTANT-- DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than is instructed below in steps "a" through "f" or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you'll also see how it doesn't work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will not work. ( I talked to a friend last month who has also done this program. He said he had tried "playing" with it to change the results. Bad idea.... he never got as much money as he did with the un-altered version. Remember, it's a proven method! a. Look below for the listing of available reports. b. After you've ordered the four reports, take this advertisement and remove the name and address under REPORT #4. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their 50 grand! c. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. d. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3. e. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2. f. Insert your name/address in the REPORT #1 position. Please make sure you copy every name and address ACCURATELY! 3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to the instruction portion of this letter. 4. Now you're ready to start an advertising campaign on the INTERNET! Advertising on the 'Net is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Another avenue which you could use for advertising is e-mail lists. You can buy these lists for under $20/2,000 addresses or you can pay someone a minimal charge to take care of it for you. BE SURE TO START YOUR AD CAMPAIGN IMMEDIATELY! 5. For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out, with YOUR name and address on it, will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report! ------------------------------------------ AVAILABLE REPORTS ------------------------------------------ *** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME *** Notes: - ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT CHECKS NOT ACCEPTED - ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA FIRST CLASS MAIL - Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of paper - On one of those sheets of paper, include: (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering, (b) your e-mail address, and (c) your name & postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: ______________________________________________________________ REPORT #1 "HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: AMF Investments 2319 South Kirkwood #144 Houston, TX 77077 ______________________________________________________________ REPORT #2 "MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: Fusion Marketing Ltd. 8895 Towne Centre Drive Suite 105-303A La Jolla, CA 92122-5542 ______________________________________________________________ REPORT #3 "SOURCES FOR THE BEST MAILING LISTS" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: LockMan P.O. Box 927603 San Diego, CA 92192-0603 ______________________________________________________________ REPORT #4 "EVALUATING MULTI-LEVEL SALES PLANS" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: KEY P.O. Box 270227 San Diego, CA 92198 ______________________________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PLAN WILL MAKE YOU $MONEY$ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get 10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members. Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below. 1st level--your 10 members with $5............................................$50 2nd level--10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100).....................$500 3rd level--10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000)............$5,000 4th level--10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10,000)...$50,000 THIS TOTALS ----------->$55,550 Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100's of participants! THINK ABOUT IT! Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can afford $20). You obviously already have an Internet connection and e-mail is FREE! REPORT#3 shows you the most productive methods for bulk e-mailing and purchasing e-mail lists. Some list & bulk e-mail vendors even work on trade! About 50,000 new people get online every month! ******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS ******* * TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. * Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders start coming in because: When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report to comply with the U.S. Postal & Lottery Laws, Title 18,Sections 1302 and 1341 or Title 18, Section 3005 in the U.S. Code, also Code of Federal Regs. vol. 16, Sections 255 and 436, which state that "a product or service must be exchanged for money received." * ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. * Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the instructions exactly, your results WILL be SUCCESSFUL! * ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED! ******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES ******* Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: If you don't receive 10 to 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue advertising until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2. If you don't, continue advertising until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. If you want to generate more income, send another batch of e-mails and start the whole process again! There is no limit to the income you will generate from this business! ******* T E S T I M O N I A L S ******* This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rule of not trying to place your name in a different position, it won't work and you'll lose a lot of potential income. I'm living proof that it works. It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money, with little cost to you. If you do choose to participate, follow the program exactly, and you'll be on your way to financial security. Sean McLaughlin, Jackson, MS My name is Frank. My wife, Doris, and I live in Bel-Air, MD. I am a cost accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received the program I grumbled to Doris about receiving "junk mail." I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn't work. Doris totally ignored my supposed intelligence and jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on her when the thing didn't work... well, the laugh was on me! Within two weeks she had received over 50 responses. Within 45 days she had received over $147,200 in $5 bills! I was shocked! I was sure that I had it all figured and that it wouldn't work. I AM a believer now. I have joined Doris in her "hobby." I did have seven more years until retirement, but I think of the "rat race" and it's not for me. We owe it all to MLM. Frank T., Bel-Air, MD I just want to pass along my best wishes and encouragement to you. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. I even checked with the U.S. Post Office to verify that the plan was legal. It definitely is! IT WORKS!!! Paul Johnson, Raleigh, NC The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a large amount of money in a short time. I was approached several times before I checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, with money still coming in. Sincerely yours, Phillip A. Brown, Esq. Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. Boy, was I surprised when I found my medium-size post office box crammed with orders! For awhile, it got so overloaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the window. I'll make more money this year than any 10 years of my life before. The nice thing about this deal is that it doesn't matter where in the U.S. the people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return. Mary Rockland, Lansing, MI I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another program...11 months passed then it came...I didn't delete this one!...I made more than $41,000 on the first try!! D. Wilburn, Muncie, IN This is my third time to participate in this plan. We have quit our jobs, and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the interest on our money. The only way on earth that this plan will work for you is if you do it. For your sake, and for your family's sake don't pass up this golden opportunity. Good luck and happy spending! Charles Fairchild, Spokane, WA ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO GETTING EXTRA CASH DAILY! NOW IS THE TIME FOR YOUR TURN DECISIVE ACTION YIELDS POWERFUL RESULTS

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Privacy books
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Could anyone suggest a book that gives recommendations on improving privacy? I do not want my name to be in too many databases. There are very many such books but I am not sure which one is best. Thank you. - Igor.

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CIA Blasts Bay of Pigs Op
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The NY Times reports today that the National Security Archive has obtained under FOIA the sole remaining copy of the CIA's 1962 Top Secret survey of the Bay of Pigs disaster. The highly critical document is termed one of the most secret documents of the cold war. We've put a copy of the article at: http://jya.com/cia-pigs.htm The full declassified docs are at: http://www.seas.gwu.edu/nsarchive They are entirely in JPG images, over 400 of them. We're transcribing to ASCII but it will take a day or two.

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request for remailler services
by MegaLeads＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

please send any info you can to megaleads(a)aol.com

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Re: Is spam really a problem?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi! 'Masque' here again. The same one who wrote the original 'Is spam really a problem?' post. (I won't attempt to prove that :-). I'm really astounded at "sunder's" PK based solution; it's akin to proposing decapitation as a cure for pimples. >It eats up your valuable time. You might not see it for what it is, but >it is an interruption of normal service. It's annoying as having your >pager go off durring sex and having to call back your boss instead of >ignoring it. (Presume you can't shut off your pager.) It takes away >from the continuity of life. You can't even come up with a valid analogy. Any pager I've ever carried could be put in silent mode. With email, you decide when to check it, and if you have two brain cells to rub together you can identify and kill spam reliably on just the Subject and Sender data, without reading it. To reiterate, it takes me less time to manually kill spam than to trash the junk in my snail mail. Spam is simply Not A Big Problem, and much less an irritation than telemarketer calls. What do you propose? >Have every sendmail server use a PK scheme to talk to every other >server and authenticate the connection. Have every sendmail server accept >mail only from those whose key is verified. Oh boy. Mandatory signing, with registered keys. Great. Why not also require people to have their SSN's tattooed on the inside of their forearms? That way, if some one is so foolish as to say something you didn't want to hear, you'll know who to sue 'for the theft of your valuable time'. You're doing the Surveilance State's work for it. People who whine 'there oughta be a law' everytime anything in life goes against their expectations are helping build Big Brother. This is called 'being a Useful Idiot'. >Further, some of us use ISDN to get their email and transferring the >extra junk adds to the pay/minute connections. So the rest of the world should give up privacy and anonymity to fix your poor choice of service provider? You made your bed; now lie in it. sunder: get a grip. Coercive legislation is simply not the appropriate solution for such a minor problem as spam. guy(a)panix.com writes: >Why are you asking the cypherpunks list? Because I'm active on the list, and I spend more time here skipping messages about spam than I do killing actual spam. Masque.

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CryptoGate, from CAQ
by mf＠mediafilter.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Crypto AG: The NSA's Trojan Whore? by Wayne Madsen FOR AT LEAST HALF A CENTURY, THE US HAS BEEN INTERCEPTING AND DECRYPTING THE TOP SECRET DOCUMENTS OF MOST OF THE WORLD'S GOVERNMENTS It may be the greatest intelligence scam of the century: For decades, the US has routinely intercepted and deciphered top secret encrypted messages of 120 countries. These nations had bought the world's most sophisticated and supposedly secure commercial encryption technology from Crypto AG, a Swiss company that staked its reputation and the security concerns of its clients on its neutrality. The purchasing nations, confident that their communications were protected, sent messages from their capitals to embassies, military missions, trade offices, and espionage dens around the world, via telex, radio, teletype, and facsimile. They not only conducted sensitive albeit legal business and diplomacy, but sometimes strayed into criminal matters, issuing orders to assassinate political leaders, bomb commercial buildings, and engage in drug and arms smuggling. All the while, because of a secret agreement between the National Security Agency (NSA) and Crypto AG, they might as well have been hand delivering the message to Washington. Their Crypto AG machines had been rigged so that when customers used them, the random encryption key could be automatically and clandestinely transmitted with the enciphered message. NSA analysts could read the message traffic as easily as they could the morning newspaper. [...] >From CAQ #63 http://caq.com/cryptogate

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A virtual Swiss bank for the rest of us, from Time/Netly News
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sicherheit und Privat will be issuing digital cash, digital letters of credit, and use a secret-sharing crypto app on a Pilot to handle stock trading. A bunch of cypherpunk regulars, including Black Unicorn, are involved. Below is my writeup that's in this week's Time magazine. For details check out my article in today's Netly News: http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1756,00.html -Declan **** A VIRTUAL SWISS BANK FOR THE REST OF US Time Magazine March 2, 1998 Page 20 Got the urge for offshore banking but not the cash to try it? Rather than saving up for a plane ticket to Grand Cayman, check out a new online bank opening its virtual doors this week. Sicherheit und Privat (Security and Privacy) is an Austrian bank that offers encrypted communications, digital cash transactions and a privacy-protected MasterCard for a minimum deposit of $1,000 (as opposed to $10K to $50K in a typical Swiss bank). Could be just the thing for low rollers trying to hide cash from a spouse's divorce lawyers--or the IRS.

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FYI!!!! - NETA to buy TIS
by Steve Orrin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hot off the Press: http://biz.yahoo.com/snp/980223/tisx_dtp_m_1.html Monday February 23, 10:21 am Eastern Time Trusted Information Systems to Be Acquired by Network Associates TRUSTED INFORMATION SYSTEMS INC. Signs Definitive Agreement to Be Acquired by Network Associates Inc. Feb. 23, 1998, Network Associates Inc. (Nasdaq:NETA - news) and Trusted Information Systems Inc. (Nasdaq:TISX - news) said they signed a definitive agreement under which NETA will acquire TISX in a transaction valued at over $300,000,000. Each TISX share will be exchanged for 0.323 of a NETA share. Subject to approval by TISX stockholders, among other conditions, the transaction is expected to close within about 90 days. A Picture Tells A Thousand Words. STEGO

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Re: Is spam really a problem? (fwd)
by Brandon Crosby 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > >It eats up your valuable time. You might not see it for what it is, but > >it is an interruption of normal service. It's annoying as having your > >pager go off durring sex and having to call back your boss instead of > >ignoring it. (Presume you can't shut off your pager.) It takes away > >from the continuity of life. > > You can't even come up with a valid analogy. Any > pager I've ever carried could be put in silent mode. > With email, you decide when to check it, and if you > have two brain cells to rub together you can identify > and kill spam reliably on just the Subject and Sender > data, without reading it. To reiterate, it takes me > less time to manually kill spam than to trash the junk > in my snail mail. Spam is simply Not A Big Problem, and > much less an irritation than telemarketer calls. > Asside from this, when everyone finally figures out how to MIME encrypt images, movies, sounds, etc. into their E-Mails, the net will become a sespool of junk mail w/ 16-bit images that only really use 16 colors, constantly flowng to and fro in a broth. Try to go to world-famous sites? Ha! Spam is there, too. The net can only handle so much, and spam by tradition isn't high on the list. > What do you propose? > > >Have every sendmail server use a PK scheme to talk to every other > >server and authenticate the connection. Have every sendmail server accept > >mail only from those whose key is verified. > > Oh boy. Mandatory signing, with registered keys. Great. Why not > also require people to have their SSN's tattooed on the inside of > their forearms? That way, if some one is so foolish as to say > something you didn't want to hear, you'll know > who to sue 'for the theft of your valuable time'. When this happens, two problems arise: (1) people (not to forget Gov) will have a reason to break singing codes (2) confidence in the system will make signing fraud a very happy-day bussiness. I would suggest, we all send a bit of spam out, 'accidentally' freeze the net and show people what can happen. Asside from this personality change, little can be done to keep people from sending spam (or, for that matter, pesonal letters). -Brandon Crosby

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Re: FCPUNX:'close to the machine'
by Sal Denaro 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, 15 Feb 1998, Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: > fun new book: "close to the machine" by Ellen Ullman. anybody > here seen/read it? a highly > personal and emotional book at times about working in the computer > industry. author is a software engineer whose done a lot of contract > work. I think many here will find it worth a look and/or worth I read it. After a while I noticed that I had a lot in common with the young programmer that she had an affair with. It took a while to come to terms with being a "type" :) There were two things about the book that I disliked: 1) Macho-computing. A number of consultants tend to act as if they are sliting the atom or landing a man on the moon as they work. While I agree that programming is hard work, and that a lot of what programmers do is on the edge, it is hardly ground breaking to implement YA DBMS, even if it is Java based and web-centric. 2) I think she was tring to hard to look technical. -- sal(a)panix.com Salvatore Denaro "The reality of the software business today is that if you find something that can make you ridiculously rich, then that's something that Microsoft is going to take away from you." -- Max Metral

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Re: FYI!!!! - NETA to buy TIS
by Austin Hill 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

<snip> TIS provides a full line of security products and services including: Gauntlet firewalls to protect network connections; Gauntlet Global Virtual Private Networks to secure electronic communications worldwide; Stalker misuse detection solutions to ensure the integrity of servers which, when used in conjunction with Network Associates' CyberCop, extends this level of protection to networks; and TIS Consulting and Training services to facilitate a company's network running smoothly. TIS' RecoverKey encryption technology provides flexible, scalable, user-controlled key recovery, and has been implemented by multinational organizations for their global networks. TIS is a founding member of the Key Recovery Alliance, an organization of over 60 international companies working together to facilitate the worldwide commercial use of strong encryption. "This announcement represents a fundamental shift in the way large customers will implement security technology," said Bill Larson, chairman and CEO of Network Associates. "Network Associates is the first company to deliver this caliber of technology and this breadth of security products. The ability to tie all of these components together in a centralized management environment is critical to customer success, and Network Associates is the only company to combine security with industry-leading network management capabilities." <snip> Well I guess this returns Network Associates to the Key Recovery Alliance. I wonder what the PGP division thinks about the new member of the family being the founding member of the KRA? -Austin Quoted text from Steve Orrin (sorrin(a)syndata.com ) on 2/23/98 11:46 AM >Hot off the Press: > >http://biz.yahoo.com/snp/980223/tisx_dtp_m_1.html > > >Monday February 23, 10:21 am Eastern Time > >Trusted Information Systems to Be Acquired by Network Associates > >TRUSTED INFORMATION SYSTEMS INC. Signs Definitive Agreement to Be Acquired >by >Network Associates Inc. > >Feb. 23, 1998, Network Associates Inc. (Nasdaq:NETA - news) and Trusted >Information Systems Inc. (Nasdaq:TISX - >news) said they signed a definitive agreement under which NETA will acquire >TISX in a transaction valued at over >$300,000,000. > >Each TISX share will be exchanged for 0.323 of a NETA share. > >Subject to approval by TISX stockholders, among other conditions, the >transaction is expected to close within about 90 days. > > > > >A Picture Tells A Thousand Words. > STEGO >

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Re: CryptoGate, from CAQ
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 2/23/98 11:15 AM, MediaFilter (mf(a)mediafilter.org) passed this wisdom: > Their Crypto AG machines had been rigged so that when > customers used them, the random encryption key > could be automatically and clandestinely > transmitted with the enciphered message. NSA > analysts could read the message traffic as easily > as they could the morning newspaper. While I feel that, considering its holier than thou attitude, the USG is acting in a morally reprehensible fashion, these countries got what they deserve; if they didn't have one of their own on hand, they should have rented a crypto specialist from "Cypherpunks R Us" (TCM prop) to check out the equipment/software. If the damned key was passed along with the ciphertext it seems to me that it should have been easy enough to tell by creating some known very short text messages ... are they really that lazy/stupid/trusting????? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNPG+3z7r4fUXwraZAQF8rAf9HzVd03y+Dgjx8GkmjHxBS7hFW8rRXqZB 0wnVOuYYrSqGGcNTOKDReHBWhPvVnHT9A8DCSYFc1/tjRvFwbtZo6ultwWJDDZ3m 0GwcVg9AK9J/jqrxshjebayzCQOSFZhCnxUZnaFHC6PXx4caKQ3AdEQZ/9Ff64qE Sdkwu9C2Pq2j3+VdifF6+P0g90JHIqqd0AWLSEuuZJdZBIkPon4JBpwAHHkSpmN4 WdC71lKl8OxJfBapTFTUW4qBitH2PmwA6NIPZ+2SLVfGAOORWEYwHXoLsy8oqeWU 7Hvq6HBC7JngAD3L/ozVVML3dlqnr0i3C7mUd7GwFnVTQo3Qo4Jxpw== =Ijtu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question." Thomas Jefferson, 1st Inaugural Addr

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PGP's Response
by Steve Orrin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The following is PGP's official response (from there web site) to the TIS acquisition by NETA. What it infers is that while PGP for Personal use won't (at least until NETA decides otherwise) incorporate TIS technology, it leaves the door wide open for PGP for Business use.... Network Associates and Key Recovery With the acquisition of Trusted Information Systems (TIS) by Network Associates, NAI has added a new technology to its product portfolio -- key recovery. This TIS-developed technology addresses the market needs for encryption key recovery and management. NAI will continue to provide this technology to the market. NAI's PGP product group already provides the capability for corporations to recover information from PGP products deployed in corporate environments. The requirement for this capability from corporations has been evident and well-known for quite sometime. However, NAI does not believe there is a need for key recovery in PGP products for the individual. NAI will develop and market products that its customers need and want but will not include any technology that is not required by its customers. A Picture Tells A Thousand Words. STEGO

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