December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: faulty moderation software: duplicate messages
by Mark M. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- All messages with "Sender: owner-cypherpunks-unedited(a)toad.com" are received from the flames list. The difference between the unedited and moderated lists is that the moderated list changes the message ID, appending toad.com, and deletes all received headers before "majordom(a)localhost.*by toad.com". None of the messages are being doubled; this is just the result of buggy software Here's the recipe I use to filter out the three separate lists: :0 * ^Sender: owner-cypherpunks.*(a)toad.com { :0 * ^Sender: owner-cypherpunks-unedited(a)toad.com flames :0 * -1^1 ^Received: * 3^1 ^Received:.*from majordom(a)localhost.*by toad.com * ^Message-Id:.*toad.com in.cpunks :0 unedited } -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMvuzrSzIPc7jvyFpAQFSywf/YqoJLI6crxcL9qJO/CXJKWMy5NCwilIX ZNgt5YkhMUpOzGtFLEYXdiw2XVisS0fWy2X7rGul7+BYYuVAM2tnOTKWuavufJXe KhIp41KKHe7dFWDarm5VwCt7pulRM4xVinpu0+T8M/1wfRLbC4bctJXGMSYSM9Pz U+IBqSbi3MkrE3lAwJtirvC3qDgQXvLqHQRVwYkv8wmVoQXGKCGuiM4YEu3TamvH bBPEPHfh7gbtVtBFiUri7jtGLHv6kROb0/wuREgkxHd0wLld/3L7GRClIgy8b+1K 6TeuoO32SA6tp+a9yytQUuf/WvueGdFSbLwXHozMvRu5+WOcqa8Hbw== =MQlk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Ken Bass (counsel for Phil Karn) Interviewed on "Real Time" Monday
by ISP-TV Main Contact 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

*** ISP-TV Program Announcement: Ken Bass (counsel for Phil Karn) interviewed live on "Real Time" *** *** Monday, Jan. 27 *** *** 9:00 PM ET *** Ken Bass is a partner in the firm of Venable, Baetjer, Howard & Civiletti, LLP, and is the head of that firm's Appellate Practice Group. Recently Venable served as counsel to Phil Karn during his dispute with the Department of State concerning export of a diskette containing the source code for cryptographic algorithms published in the book _Applied_ _Cryptography_, having already received permission to export the book. For the past 20 years Bass has practiced law in the Washington, D.C. metropolitan area, concentrating in civil litigation and appellate advocacy. From 1977 until 1981 he left private practice to serve as the first Counsel for Intelligence Policy at the Department of Justice. In that position he advised the Attorney General and the White House on the legal aspects of a variety of intelligence and national security matters. He also has served as a Special Master in a FOIA litigation in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia to review code word classified files concerning the Iran hostage rescue mission for Judge Louis Oberdorfer. Call-in questions will be taken during the show at (301) 847-6571. **** This video interview can be viewed on the ISP-TV main CU-SeeMe reflector at IP 205.197.248.54, or other ISP-TV affiliate reflectors listed at http://isptv.digex.net/members.html. See URL http://isptv.digex.net for more information about the ISP-TV Network To get email about future programming on ISP-TV, email the word "subscribe" to isptv-prog-request(a)isptv.digex.net. To obtain Enhanced CU-SeeMe software, go to: http://goliath.wpine.com/cudownload.htm

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Re: Metzger, Denninger square off
by David E. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 01:24 PM 2/7/97 -0500, you wrote: >[Forwarded from Wired news. Let's cut to the chase: Which side is in the >right? Who can tell me, in plain and simple language, who is fighting for >individual freedom and property rights, and who is not?] Hee... I think they're both just after money. > 5:01 pm PST 6 Feb 97 - A proposal by the International Ad Hoc > Committee (IAHC) to expand the number of Internet top-level domain > names is stirring opposition among alternative domain name providers. Well, of course. AlterNIC does charge a few bucks for registering in some of their TLDs. I'm not sure about the other alternative-name servers, but somehow I doubt it's a charity program. And of course we all know about InterNIC's cash cow... [the proposed new TLDs] .firm .store Somehow, these two look rather similar to me. .web Actually a good idea :) A lot of the .com congestion is from companies that are virtually-hosted for the sole purpose of running a Web site with the www. prefix. .arts .rec .info How many of these would fit into the .org (or even .us) domains? .nom Nah. Just not classy enough. Now, a .nym TLD... :-) > They also think the new domain names will "fragment" the > Internet, leaving some users unable to communicate with others, if a > server does not recognize the name request. How so? AlterNIC et al. aren't exactly globally recognized anyway. If we're going to have more TLDs, it's at least less "bad" to have them coming from the place where names have been coming from anyway (InterNIC). No matter what, it'll be a long time before _any_ new TLDs are universally recognized, just because somewhere, someone's sysadmin is asleep at the wheel. (Probably at my ISP :) dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQEVAwUBMvuybnEZTZHwCEpFAQGKFwf5AbWTx3mWlJ7QOsHnegxAb9Q9y5Dhi1EH If7qLWlZYPerjmWlSE72isintDADDdh81d9xyPJ1kYtR9KRE5p0WAbL5pf2sl6eT g7Z1LzS449cHesEmoSATeaDc0I0kqKVAxVUNyJxfraf6gGGquw2EpLtKZME6tV8o ESZEkXFp5bdKC3+Vf1PiuTixjnpDrgUhNshUB0xCKFDgYqGGAEoKSVO8cEYWNE4o VAH7eH537etNjnnE/r15BxHt9I3BxEU5lxM8/cuwpHKOSouGnghpLyAB426gllc4 PZNj6WhM/trkUkBj3BBWduB8DR4gwhPl71g1665IyLWMDpOLeItSpA== =4zWF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: IEEE Communications
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>A friend called this evening to let me know the February issue is dedicated >to electronic cash and its implications. I'm no longer an IEEE member. If >any of the various list members care to excerpt and comment on some of the >more interesting portions, I'm sure it would be appreciated. > >--Steve Correction: It's the February issue of IEE Spectrum, subtitled "Technology and the Electronic Economy." --Steve

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Re: automated moderation system
by David E. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 01:15 PM 2/7/97 -0800, you wrote: [... re: a auto moderations system...] >now, the mailing list works as follows. people always receive >posts from people they put on their "pass" lists. mail from >entities on their "zap" lists is always trashed. This much, you can do on your own. Just filter "zap" messages to /dev/null or somesuch. (But I see its purpose; keep reading.) [... using other's pass/zap lists as reputation markers...] It's a good idea in theory, but would put a lot of load on the server. For every message * every list subscriber, it has to _at_least_ look up the pass/zap criteria, and possibly do some number- crunching based on the whole database of pass/zap lists, and keep track of how long each message has been sitting in the queue and its ratings by other people. Also, Mallet could skew the reputations by subscribing with a dozen other addresses (which M. created just to get the extra "votes"), decide to have all of them "zap" Alice, and then Bob might never see Alice's intelligent and thoughtful messages. (Presumably, Mallet keeps the bogus addresses subscribed, just dumping all mail into the bitbucket; any user who leaves the list shouldn't have any weight in the calculations any longer.) This also doesn't even address anonymous remailers; Chuck and Dave might both use the same remailer, even though Chuck only posts good, meaningful messages (in whatever context) and Dave only posts flaming ASCII art :) dave (who doesn't post flaming ascii art, honest) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQEVAwUBMvuwDnEZTZHwCEpFAQHZMwf+MNIyeFS53QW4LxZzvitFi259xEso3bXT WXfAqJx7pF8aefZ7U2hBEwPzFyBR5fJWrn4Vekpl6ZK82xJsU2x6Az9+I2D1TYH/ dMAar9S+GcPPlyJ5QegWQ04VopmGzGvDZ69lL1mkJZnl9RT3jWOdVBcmUUUSqrsz LMGdVxrglx1QIkoZu/P69RheK37HJHiTG6pSokQRQPqyU2VVEwg44yJDicPfjlke raBLk6EiA6tJ2azKMshEBLm00EjGSHLmstRDqE8x6kb2WMMgCchL9KIe9XIz7fCN o0L8fTZMME7ZF82/sacnUnzdK6sJ5oAtmgUiT7cZm7Jqo3WU0OmUOw== =mSMn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: ANNOUNCEMNT: February 1997 keysigning session
by Ed Falk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- We have enough people who want to have a PGP keysigning session at tommorrow's meeting to make it worthwhile. We'll probably be doing it at 17:00 or thereabouts. If you want to join in, let me know ASAP. Include your key or a pointer to where I can download it. -ed falk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBMvu/eDLd6HIbO1jdAQFFRQIAire/x65aP/tlAiYRT+sP2YbztX45P07I Hk9YqDrW0Yd6sdYNtIvdl6MreklF5sI6++IcDH0nGs1Ifam1cNbEyA== =rWsE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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No Subject
by My Account 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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BXA Encryption Regs
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Federal Register: February 7, 1997, Page 5797-5798: Bureau of Export Administration Sensors and Instrumentation Technical Advisory Committee; Partially Closed Meeting A meeting will be held March 4, 1997, 9 a.m., in the Herbert C. Hoover Building, Room 1617M-2, 14th Street between Constitution and Pennsylvania Avenues, N.W., Washington, DC. Agenda, General Session 1. Opening remarks by the Chairman. 2. Report on the status of The Wassenaar Arrangement. 3. Discussion on the Encryption Reg. 4. Presentation of papers or comments by the public. ---------- A bit more on this in the full notice at: http://jya.com/bxa020797.txt ---------- Note: February 13 is the cutoff for comments on EAR for EI: http://jya.com/bxa123096.txt

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is there a FAQ
by Rodney Thayer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am trying to run IPSEC on Linux and I have questions. Before I ask, is there an FAQ? Rodney Thayer <rodney(a)sabletech.com> +1 617 332 7292 Sable Technology Corp, 246 Walnut St., Newton MA 02160 USA Fax: +1 617 332 7970 http://www.shore.net/~sable "Developers of communications software"

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Re: is there a FAQ
by Hugh Daniel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Currently the only documentation for the Linux IPSEC is the INSTALL file. There is no FAQ. If someone from a free country (not the one controled by the USG gang) is interested in writing some doc or a FAQ that would be great! I am working on getting 3DES working (it's in the ipsec-0.4 code base, but no doc on how to configure it!) now and could use more documentation my self. ||ugh Daniel Linux FreeSWAN Project hugh(a)toad.com

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Sandy suppresses truth about his moderation policy
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Below are some interesting facts implying that: 1) Sandy uses a bot to reject articles of people he does not like 2) When I exposed him with an article showing all Received: dates, he a) rejected the article exposing him and b) changed his moderation software so that Received: headers for the cypherpunks-flames do not show the times when messages came in 3) Sandy apologized to Tim May for rejecting one of Vulis's articles, and yet he rejects my message quoting same article. I question how genuine were his apologies to Tim. At this point, I have enough data to conclude that * Sandy is not a good moderator * Sandy does not have the interests of his readership in his mind * Sandy should not be trusted At this point, two events are likely to happen: either moderation ceases, or Sandy and John will pull the plug on the unedited and flames list. - Igor. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Note that there are no more incoming Received: lines in the message that went to flames, BUT yesterday the received lines were there. Note also that my address (From: line) has been rewritten in such a way that my name disappeared. I believe that the latter is due to a sloppy perl script that got screwed up by presence of "@" character in my name. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Received: (from geek@localhost) by manifold.algebra.com (8.8.3/8.8.2) id SAA06751 for ichudov; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 18:57:04 -0600 Received: (from root@localhost) by manifold.algebra.com (8.8.3/8.8.2) with UUCP id JAA03038 for geek+test+cypherpunks-flames(a)algebra.com; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 09:12:23 -0600 Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA16283 for <geek+test+cypherpunks-flames(a)algebra.com>; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 10:11:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA24873; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 07:11:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199702071511.HAA24873(a)toad.com> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 01:34:36 -0600 (CST) From: ichudov(a)algebra.com To: Cypherpunks <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>, tcmay(a)got.net Subject: Re: anonymous remailers Sender: geek(a)algebra.com Precedence: bulk Status: RO [I am sending a copy of my article to Tim just to make sure] Sandy Sandfort wrote: > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > SANDY SANDFORT > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > C'punks, > > On Thu, 6 Feb 1997, Timothy C. May wrote: > > > Why was this message (attached below) sent to the "Flames" list? (*) It > > contains an assertion that the remailer operators are colluding to reveal > > identities, and this is surely a fit topic for discussion. > > > > (* I have temporarily subscribed to the Flames list to see just what it is > > being filtered or censored by Sandy. I received this message, and it had > > the header "Sender: owner-cypherpunks-unedited(a)toad.com," thus I surmise it > > is a "Flames" message. It would help, by the way, if messages were more > > clearly labelled by the Moderator as to which bucket he placed them in.) > > Currently, there are three lists. It looks as though the message > in question appeared on the Unedited list. This is NOT the same > as the Flames list. > > I don't recall where I sorted that particular post to after I > read it on the Unedited list. If it went to the "wrong" list, > my apologies to the author. As I indicated before, I don't think I am attaching Vulis's posting below, so that the mistake could be corrected. Judging by the dates in the headers, it went to flames list in 3 seconds after arrival to toad.com. That makes me think that somehow it got routed there without human involvement. > a 100% solution is possible, but I think I'm running in the high > 90s under the criteria I enunciated. Not perfection, but a > definite improvement over the prior condition. I see three problems with the current state of the list: 1) There is no charter and no criteria that I am aware of, so your 90% statement is meaningless 2) Moderation policy has not been set (or voted upon) by the readers, therefore it was not optimised to serve the readers 3) Crypto-relevant posts, not containing any flames, get rejected. >From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Thu Feb 6 22:20:35 1997 Return-Path: <cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com> Received: (from root@localhost) by manifold.algebra.com (8.8.3/8.8.2) with UUCP id WAA12996; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 22:20:29 -0600 Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA01326; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 23:14:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA08550; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:13:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from uu.psi.com (uu.psi.com [38.9.86.2]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA08545; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA07700 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 97 23:07:09 -0500 Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Thu, 06 Feb 97 22:24:48 EST for cypherpunks(a)toad.com To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: anonymous remailers From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) Comments: All power to the ZOG! Message-Id: <iJkq2D46w165w(a)bwalk.dm.com> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 97 22:22:05 EST In-Reply-To: <32fa39d8.16371604(a)mail-relay.internetmci.com> Organization: Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y. Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk Status: RO c.musselman(a)internetmci.com (Charley Musselman) writes: > C'punks -- > When I told a friend about the alt.drugs.pot cultivation newsgroup > and suggested that he use an anonymous remailer to post to the group, > he laughed and said, "Who do you suppose runs the remailers? ATF, > FBI, DEA, that's who!" Gee, it makes sense to this paranoid. Does > anyone know the answer? Specifically, how can we choose a trusted > remailer? Even if the feds are not directtly involved, the so-called "cypher punk" remailers are run by people who should not be trusted. Check out their remailer-operators list: it's full of announcements that some specific person posted something via the remailer that the operator didn't like. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: My messages not appearing on either of the lists?
by E. Allen Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"mpd(a)netcom.com" "Mike Duvos" 7-FEB-1997 20:56:39.36 >That's all very nice, but I should point out that I have not yet >seen my message to which you are responding on the filtered list. >Others mileage may vary. IIRC, Majordomo sends out messages _approximately_ in the order of the person's subscription. In any event, it has to send them out in _some_ order, and on a mailing list as large as cypherpunks, it's going to take a while to get from one end to the other. -Allen

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Dear Cypherpunks /from NHK Clew
by hanabusa＠bnn-net.or.jp 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Cypherpunks, We are a film crew from NHK, Japanese Public Television (Japan's largest TV network). As you may have all seen the announcement posting, we would like to attend tomorrow's CP physical meeting for filming. We consider the "Crypto War" you are all fighting, not only a U.S domestic issue. It is a historic process which would effect the basic order/system of the global network society for the 21st century. In the midst of the ongoing changes of the idea of how a nation, a corporation and an individual ought to be, we would like to portray your assertions and proposals through the discussions of tomorrow's CP meeting, demonstrations, speeches and booings(just kidding..). We assure you all that we will do our best not be of your distractions. (I know you won't, but) I hope you don't show up with a tie and a three piece suit just because you'll be on TV... ;-) We look forward to the usual (or perhaps more than ever) Cypherpunkish meeting tomorrow! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Shuichiro Hanabusa (hanabusa(a)bnn-net.or.jp) Producer/Special Programs NHK Enterprises 21 Inc. Location: San Mateo/Carifornia _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

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Brassard on Grover's Shake
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Gilles Brassard writes on Grover's "quantum shake" searching algorithm, demonstrates how it would break DES, and assays the promise of QC research. He notes that enviable NSA funds favor LAQC. ----- http://jya.com/qshake.htm

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Enlightened commentary on Netizen.
by das＠razor.engr.sgi.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

First, Rebecca Vesely has a special report, the main thrust of which is that three firms being allowed to export 56 bit encryption indicates flexibility on the part of the government. http://www.netizen.com/netizen/97/05/special2a.html To top it off, here are two gems from the followup discussion. http://www.netizen.com/cgi-bin/interact/replies_all?msg.37387 2. 56 ONLY A SLIGHTLY SMALLER JOKE Ric Allan (ricrok) on Wed, 5 Feb 97 11:53 PST If it takes a college student four hours to break a 40bit code it should take him/her about six hours to do the same to 56bits. Then what excuses are the government and its butt-kissing companies going to give us for not allowing *real* coding? 4. 56bits will not take 6 hours to crack Piers Cawley (pdcawley) on Thu, 6 Feb 97 05:05 PST Rick seems to be missing the point about strong encryption -- the reason that DES/IDEA encryption is hard to crack is because the key system is based on the fact that factoring big numbers is a long, slow tedious process which gets exponentially harder as the length of the number increases. What this means is that it'll probably take the college student, ooh... 24 hours to crack a 56 bit key. However, the question has to be asked, why the fuck should we non US citizens go and buy cryptographic software that is deliberately coded to allow the US government to read our mail? -- Anil Das

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Re: NETLINK_IPSEC
by Hugh Daniel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The #define you are looking for is in: /usr/src/linux/include/net/ip_forward.h in my 2.0.25 source tree. I sugjest that you upgrate to the current 2.0.XX kernel (I have used 2..0.28 with the ipsec-0.4 distrabution). ||ugh Daniel Linux FreeSWAN Project hugh(a)toad.com

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Re: My messages not appearing on either of the lists?
by E. Allen Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"mpd(a)netcom.com" "Mike Duvos" 7-FEB-1997 20:56:39.36 >That's all very nice, but I should point out that I have not yet >seen my message to which you are responding on the filtered list. >Others mileage may vary. IIRC, Majordomo sends out messages _approximately_ in the order of the person's subscription. In any event, it has to send them out in _some_ order, and on a mailing list as large as cypherpunks, it's going to take a while to get from one end to the other. -Allen

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NETLINK_IPSEC
by Jeremey Barrett 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- When running 'make modules', NETLINK_IPSEC and IPFWD_NOTTLDEC are undeclared. I added NETLINK_IPSEC to include/net/netlink.h, but IPFWD_NOTTLDEC is not to be found. I'm running kernel 2.0.0, the INSTALL.txt file in the ipsec distribution mentions 2.0.24, is that the minimum kernel to run on? Thanks. - -- =-----------------------------------------------------------------------= Jeremey Barrett VeriWeb Internet Corp. Senior Software Engineer http://www.veriweb.com/ PGP Key fingerprint = 3B 42 1E D4 4B 17 0D 80 DC 59 6F 59 04 C3 83 64 =-----------------------------------------------------------------------= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBMvvG3C/fy+vkqMxNAQECrQQAgjHE7CIQZyTHV9wfLvuoxk8TkOVHMSJD +gpHAme20wSOOtIVw3ZBJxDvCiFiyHFaoEI0o/Xkqs6fXUoRgjQkLvuSJi3dgm+N 3gVB7Gf14dK14qChJyEyPMlMXAe2hWehxojTizS2LHfX7gvzPHMN0D5DGEKsM+MN wYfDdGzNsX8= =lK+H -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Is Sandy really censoring criticisms of Stronghold, his product?
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy C. May wrote: > At 10:07 PM +0000 2/7/97, Against Moderation wrote: > >Okay, I went through my old mail, and I'm fairly sure this is the > >message. I'm convinced it never went to the flames list, and now that > >I've found out I'm on the -unedited list after all, I think it > >probably didn't go to the regular cypherpunks list either. Can people > >on the various lists confirm this for me? > >A lot of people out there are subscribing to the cypherpunks-flames > >and cypherpunks lists thinking that they will see everything that gets > >rejected (albeit with a substantial delay). If this is not the case, > >it should be made clear. Otherwise, it's not moderation, but > >dishonesty. Normally I'd address just the list, but in this case I'm sure you'll understand. Check the archives of Sandy's moderation announcements, and I believe you'll see where he claimed that although *all* messages would make it to the -unedited list, he admitted that some of those would not make it to either the -edited or -flames lists, due to the anomalies of hand-editing.

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Dear Cypherpunks /from NHK Clew
by Sh.Hanabusa 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Cypherpunks, We are a film crew from NHK, Japanese Public Television (Japan's largest TV network). As you may have all seen the announcement posting, we would like to attend tomorrow's CP physical meeting for filming. We consider the "Crypto War" you are all fighting, not only a U.S domestic issue. It is a historic process which would effect the basic order/system of the global network society for the 21st century. In the midst of the ongoing changes of the idea of how a nation, a corporation and an individual ought to be, we would like to portray your assertions and proposals through the discussions of tomorrow's CP meeting, demonstrations, speeches and booings(just kidding..). We assure you all that we will do our best not be of your distractions. (I know you won't, but) I hope you don't show up with a tie and a three piece suit just because you'll be on TV... ;-) We look forward to the usual (or perhaps more than ever) Cypherpunkish meeting tomorrow! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Shuichiro Hanabusa (hanabusa(a)bnn-net.or.jp) Producer/Special Programs NHK Enterprises 21 Inc. Location: San Mateo/Carifornia _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

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Sandy suppresses truth about his moderation policy
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Below are some interesting facts implying that: 1) Sandy uses a bot to reject articles of people he does not like 2) When I exposed him with an article showing all Received: dates, he a) rejected the article exposing him and b) changed his moderation software so that Received: headers for the cypherpunks-flames do not show the times when messages came in 3) Sandy apologized to Tim May for rejecting one of Vulis's articles, and yet he rejects my message quoting same article. I question how genuine were his apologies to Tim. At this point, I have enough data to conclude that * Sandy is not a good moderator * Sandy does not have the interests of his readership in his mind * Sandy should not be trusted At this point, two events are likely to happen: either moderation ceases, or Sandy and John will pull the plug on the unedited and flames list. - Igor. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Note that there are no more incoming Received: lines in the message that went to flames, BUT yesterday the received lines were there. Note also that my address (From: line) has been rewritten in such a way that my name disappeared. I believe that the latter is due to a sloppy perl script that got screwed up by presence of "@" character in my name. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Received: (from geek@localhost) by manifold.algebra.com (8.8.3/8.8.2) id SAA06751 for ichudov; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 18:57:04 -0600 Received: (from root@localhost) by manifold.algebra.com (8.8.3/8.8.2) with UUCP id JAA03038 for geek+test+cypherpunks-flames(a)algebra.com; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 09:12:23 -0600 Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA16283 for <geek+test+cypherpunks-flames(a)algebra.com>; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 10:11:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA24873; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 07:11:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199702071511.HAA24873(a)toad.com> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 01:34:36 -0600 (CST) From: ichudov(a)algebra.com To: Cypherpunks <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>, tcmay(a)got.net Subject: Re: anonymous remailers Sender: geek(a)algebra.com Precedence: bulk Status: RO [I am sending a copy of my article to Tim just to make sure] Sandy Sandfort wrote: > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > SANDY SANDFORT > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > C'punks, > > On Thu, 6 Feb 1997, Timothy C. May wrote: > > > Why was this message (attached below) sent to the "Flames" list? (*) It > > contains an assertion that the remailer operators are colluding to reveal > > identities, and this is surely a fit topic for discussion. > > > > (* I have temporarily subscribed to the Flames list to see just what it is > > being filtered or censored by Sandy. I received this message, and it had > > the header "Sender: owner-cypherpunks-unedited(a)toad.com," thus I surmise it > > is a "Flames" message. It would help, by the way, if messages were more > > clearly labelled by the Moderator as to which bucket he placed them in.) > > Currently, there are three lists. It looks as though the message > in question appeared on the Unedited list. This is NOT the same > as the Flames list. > > I don't recall where I sorted that particular post to after I > read it on the Unedited list. If it went to the "wrong" list, > my apologies to the author. As I indicated before, I don't think I am attaching Vulis's posting below, so that the mistake could be corrected. Judging by the dates in the headers, it went to flames list in 3 seconds after arrival to toad.com. That makes me think that somehow it got routed there without human involvement. > a 100% solution is possible, but I think I'm running in the high > 90s under the criteria I enunciated. Not perfection, but a > definite improvement over the prior condition. I see three problems with the current state of the list: 1) There is no charter and no criteria that I am aware of, so your 90% statement is meaningless 2) Moderation policy has not been set (or voted upon) by the readers, therefore it was not optimised to serve the readers 3) Crypto-relevant posts, not containing any flames, get rejected. >From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Thu Feb 6 22:20:35 1997 Return-Path: <cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com> Received: (from root@localhost) by manifold.algebra.com (8.8.3/8.8.2) with UUCP id WAA12996; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 22:20:29 -0600 Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA01326; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 23:14:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA08550; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:13:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from uu.psi.com (uu.psi.com [38.9.86.2]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA08545; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA07700 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 97 23:07:09 -0500 Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Thu, 06 Feb 97 22:24:48 EST for cypherpunks(a)toad.com To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: anonymous remailers From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) Comments: All power to the ZOG! Message-Id: <iJkq2D46w165w(a)bwalk.dm.com> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 97 22:22:05 EST In-Reply-To: <32fa39d8.16371604(a)mail-relay.internetmci.com> Organization: Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y. Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk Status: RO c.musselman(a)internetmci.com (Charley Musselman) writes: > C'punks -- > When I told a friend about the alt.drugs.pot cultivation newsgroup > and suggested that he use an anonymous remailer to post to the group, > he laughed and said, "Who do you suppose runs the remailers? ATF, > FBI, DEA, that's who!" Gee, it makes sense to this paranoid. Does > anyone know the answer? Specifically, how can we choose a trusted > remailer? Even if the feds are not directtly involved, the so-called "cypher punk" remailers are run by people who should not be trusted. Check out their remailer-operators list: it's full of announcements that some specific person posted something via the remailer that the operator didn't like. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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BXA Encryption Regs
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Federal Register: February 7, 1997, Page 5797-5798: Bureau of Export Administration Sensors and Instrumentation Technical Advisory Committee; Partially Closed Meeting A meeting will be held March 4, 1997, 9 a.m., in the Herbert C. Hoover Building, Room 1617M-2, 14th Street between Constitution and Pennsylvania Avenues, N.W., Washington, DC. Agenda, General Session 1. Opening remarks by the Chairman. 2. Report on the status of The Wassenaar Arrangement. 3. Discussion on the Encryption Reg. 4. Presentation of papers or comments by the public. ---------- A bit more on this in the full notice at: http://jya.com/bxa020797.txt ---------- Note: February 13 is the cutoff for comments on EAR for EI: http://jya.com/bxa123096.txt

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Brassard on Grover's Shake
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Gilles Brassard writes on Grover's "quantum shake" searching algorithm, demonstrates how it would break DES, and assays the promise of QC research. He notes that enviable NSA funds favor LAQC. ----- http://jya.com/qshake.htm

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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Hash functions
by Huge Cajones Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy C. Mayo's reheated, refurbished, and regurgitated cud is completely inappropriate for the mailing lists into which it is cross-ruminated. o o o o o /~> <><><> <> Timothy C. Mayo o...(\ |||||| ||

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Re: ANNOUNCEMNT: February 1997 keysigning session
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199702072349.PAA20677(a)peregrine.eng.sun.com>, on 02/07/97 at 05:49 PM, Ed.Falk(a)Eng.Sun.COM (Ed Falk) said: >We have enough people who want to have a PGP keysigning session at tommorrow's >meeting to make it worthwhile. We'll probably be doing it at 17:00 or >thereabouts. Unfortunatly I have too much work to make the 3,000 miles to get there. :( Would it be possiable at the next meeting to set up a CU-SEE-ME session for those of us who do not live in the Bay Area? Thanks, - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. Finger whgiii(a)amaranth.com for PGP Key and other info - ----------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: I'm an OS/2 developer...I don't NEED a life! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Registered User E-Secure v1.1 0000000 iQCVAwUBMvv9D49Co1n+aLhhAQE1lgP/Sh0Mszii6dvSkssMI3rTHllz+EbFrtKk k3qOPFkBSRbsaSXBTopenUjNpbbHANgzzUJRnekaUJIyZbTGRY9PF+QAFcsF/vXI 2HIjnStiyXdgESPE0YFPRiTzrkR5/18Ga2s20AlWXgaQApSSmIAhwrFWjmi1kQws y0n+CZwqa0U= =A+nO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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