December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Guilty by definition...
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A poor fool who didn't realize that he had sealed his own fate by responding to someone who had already ratted him out for a shot of Scotch with a beer chaser wrote: >For God's sake, another key; I'm gonna need a separate >floppy to track just you keys. >But it's worth it; we bros. Official Law Enforcement Dictionary bro - 1. Co-conspirator 2. Accessory 3. Poor bastard who just fell in with the wrong company, and will probably spend the rest of his life in prison as a result of innocently replying to a UCE email titled, "How To Make Big $$$ At Home, Licking Your Own Nuts."

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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by YAY383 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Dudley DoRightMonger Driven From Home By Armed Thugs?
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Poor Dudley seems to have been evicted from his spiritual home at http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/carljohn/rcmphate/rcmphate.html . As a matter of fact, the whole http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/carljohn website seems to have mysteriously disappeared into thin air, for no apparent reason. Since the nice people at Sympatico have never shown any propensity for fascist oppression of their users, as far as I know, I fear that perhaps they have fallen victim to the Dangerous Armed Thugs who have stolen my computer and my cute little nephew's computer. (Of course, I don't have any firsthand knowledge that the Armed Thugs are truly responsible for theft of my nephew's computer, since whoever the thief was who stole it, like most criminals, failed to leave any sign of his/her presence except for the obvious violation of my privacy. Thus I am assuming that perhaps the devious, criminal ordinary citizens who informed me of the intrusion of the Dangerous Armed Thugs into my home were not just lying through their teeth, as Judges always rule they do when their testimony and broken bones are in conflict with the Official Version Of The Truth (TM) told by the Dangerous Armed Thugs.) I certainly hope that the nice Sympatico people weren't threatened by the Dangerous Armed Thug who robbed me at gunpoint, on behalf of a drug-dealing car thief and violent armed robber. I fear that this may be the case, however, since they have never contacted me to express any concerns about the webpages where I store works I have authored, and portions of works in progress. I suppose that the Dangerous Armed Thugs backed up their veiled threats of violence with outrageously blatant Lies such as those that poured forth in huge torrents from the Evil Lying Mouths of the Costumes Offals at the Regway, SK, meatspace border crossing when they stole my laptop and other possessions without being able to offer any explaination as to why they were doing so, other than the unspoken and obvious fact that they are Dangerous Armed Thugs and I am just a Piece Of Shit Citizen who is expected to fucking well take whatever they choose to dish out to me, without resistance. I suppose that the best thing I can do with Dudley DoRightMonger is to help him to flee to the Soviet Union, where the Armed Thugs are less dangerous because they are freelancers, and can be bought by both the government *and* the citizens. (True Free Enterprise!) Thank Dog that there are still places like Russia, where free speech is still possible, and where the creative juices of the muse can still flow freely, out of the reach of the Violent Dangerous Armed Thugs in Canada who stand ready and willing to oppress and murder anyone who looks or acts differently than themselves. I guess if I was a Wagon-Burner, I would already be dead... TruthMonger

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Please let Dudley sleep under your roof for a while...
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Official Royal Canadian Mounted Police HATE Page Kudos of the week go to Constable Dave Voller, who legally murdered a gun-toting Wagon-Burner and the nine year old future glue-sniffer clinging to her skirt. Congrats, Dave. A hundred points for the woman, and five hundred for the kid... This is a good time to remind RCMP Officers across Canada that, despite our long history of exercising a strong hand (and an even stronger nightstick ;?) in keeping the Wagon-Burners from storming the gates of white society, current social and legal trends make it necessary for us to take every step necessary to cover our ass when we take those measures needed to keep them in their proper physical place (the reservation) and to keep them in their proper attitudinal place even when they remain in their proper physical place. Remember that the procedures that we have put in place are for your protection, and that if you stay within our guidelines, you can pretty much waste as many Wagon-Burners as you wish, without suffering legal consequences. Constable Voller followed proper procedure in charging right into a volatile situation with no backup, so that there would be no possibility of conflicting stories from other officers invited to participate in the adrenaline high involved. He also had the foresight to waste the bitch with a shotgun, so that a wide enough target area would be covered to take care of any potential witnesses whose stories would not be subject to government pressure as to their content. Rest assured that if you murder a Wagon-Burner according to proper procedure, that the members we claim not to be able to spare to supervise a potentially deadly encounter with Wagon-Burners will suddenly become available to pore over the murder site and absolve you of any wrongdoing. A host of spin-doctors will also suddenly appear to remind the head Wagon-Burners that 'good relations' with the Federal Government are conditional on 'going along to get along.' The RCMP Officers of the Wild, Wild West continue to lead the way in keeping the Wagon-Burners constantly on the run, no matter how far they run to try to escape. The Estevan Detachment of the RCMP is living up to their long tradition of effectively using other arms of law enforcement to effectively harass Wagon-Burners while using a minimum of Federal resources. You undoubtedly remember last year's article about the member of the City of Estevan Police Department who was successful in getting the courts to uphold his own brand of Frontier Justice for decades, until he made the mistake of using a 'real' informant, thus making his cases vulnerable to conflicting testimony as to his questionable activities. As we reported, the prosecutor was able to railroad a couple of kids who were represented by incompetent legal aide lawyers, by having the arresting officer help to mentally muscle them outside the presence of legal counsel, but the #1 Wagon-Burner on the local yokel's list was not able to be railroaded at that time. We reported with pride on the Estevan Detachment of the RCMP helping that same local officer to once again set up the Wagon-Burner by helping in the operation while staying out of the main action, so that the Wagon-Burner and his White-Whore Wife were financially broken to the point where they had to cop a plea. Due to the Estevan Detachment's foresight, they didn't "get any on 'em" when the local yokel finally got his chain yanked on bogus grounds that protected the City of Estevan from taking any responsibility for his years of abuse of authority. To bring you up to date, not only is the Wagon-Burners oldest little glue-sniffer currently being railroaded on criminal charges, but the Estevan RCMP are once again setting a fire under the Wagon-Burner's ass by supporting the Provincial Game Warden's persecution of the Wagon-Burner for daring to hunt on the land that we stole from him, once again saving Federal dollars from having to be used to finance their dirty work. Today's Humor: "First they came for the Wagon-Burners, but I was not a Wagon-Burner, so I didn't speak up. Then they came for the Revisionists, but I was not a Revisionist, so I didn't speak up. Then they came for the Freedom of Speech Advocates, but I was not a Freedom of Speech Advocate, so I did not speak up. "Then they came for the Jews, and I got to put pepper-spray in their Jesus-Killing eyes..." ~ Constable Hettinga "I *love* this country!"

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Ignorance of the Law is No Excuse
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Favorite Courtroom Scene #137: A debate arises over the 'proper interpretation' of a particular law, or section of the law. None of the legal eagles with decades of experience in the study and practice of the law can agree, so the Judge orders a break in the action, whereupon everyone dives into mountains of information contained in both fresh and dusty graven tablets and eventually they all return to the courtroom to further disagree as to what constitutes obeying the law, and what constitutes a violation of the law. Finally, the judge makes a decision (which may be confirmed or overturned in the future by other people with even more years of study and experience in the practice of law) and the defendant becomes an innocent lamb or a fire-breathing devil, according to the judgement. The beautiful insanity of the preceeding is only fully manifested when the defendant protests that he hadn't really meant to transgress against the law of the land, and the Judge, who based her final decision on a single line of legislation enacted in 1854, and not noticed nor referenced since the day it was passed, tells the defendant that "Ignorance of the law is no excuse." [Note: If you are unaware of whether the law in Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan, requiring pedestrians to walk on the 'right' side of the sidewalk, was or was not recinded, then your qualify as a member of the 'criminal element,' in potential, if not in fact.]

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Official RCMP HateMailer Launched
by RCMP HateMailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Bienfait Nutly News]Dangerous Armed Thugs sitting in parked cars hiding in the alley behind the CoalDust Saloon, waiting to tax the citizens under the obscenely low breath-alcohol laws in place, celebrated the launching of the 'Official RCMP HateMailer' after the sudden and mysterious disasppearance of the 'Official RCMP Hate Page' at a Sympatico website. The unusually high number of vehicles and officers hanging around the small Saskatchewan town was attributed to a 24-hour watch on the former host of the vanished webpage, in the hope of catching him walking on the left side of the sidewalk and arresting him under authority of a law which applied only to Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan, when it was in force, and was recinded years ago. "We weren't notified of the recinding of the law." one of the waiting constables stated, smiling like a banshee. RCMP officers around the country were angered by what they regarded as trickery and betrayal by a scoundrel who had professed support for the concept of a website where officers could freely express their true thoughts, beliefs and feelings, under cover of their webpage being hosted by a known lunatic and forger, thus providing them with deniability in the event of great public outcry. An anonymous constable (whose home phone number is (306)388-2561) told a local reportwhore, as he had him standing on one foot, singing 'God Save The Queen' and skinning a live cat, blindfolded, "The average citizen expects us to harass the riff-raff, the poor, and the people we stole the land from, in order to keep them in their proper place, but the minute we try to give one another postive public support for our personal and group successes, all we get is a ration of shit." His partner, going through the blindfolded reportwhore's truck seat and pocketing the change, added, "You spend years doing the boring grunt work of oppressing the low-life, and suddenly, you get a chance to achieve one of the premiere experiences of your professional career. You get to whack out a WagonBurner. "But just try *bragging* about it." he continued, shaking his head sadly about the hypocritical criticism of the citizens who cry out to be protected from those with less money or social standing than themselves, and then turn around and cry 'shame' when those hired to do the job ask for their efforts to be appreciated. Mounties everywhere were outraged when the website was suddenly Yanked out of Canuck CyberSpace by an unknown entity. Speculation among the RCMP rank and file was that the website host had wiped out the website pages himself, and then concocted a wild conspiracy theory involving police abuse of power and the violation of free speech and the Canadian Charter of Rights. "That fucking asshole son-of-a-bitch is well known for taking facts which can be explained quite simply and using them to build some bizarre, inane story that reflects badly on those in positios of authority. "There was no huge, dark conspiracy to seize his computer and files. The Customs officer at Regway is thinking of buying a laptop, and he simply confiscated the man's computer so that he could try one out for a while before making a decision. The RCMP officers who drove down from Regina to break into his house were just making sure that the place was secure during his absence. They thought they should take his nephew's computer in order to find out if he had any illegally acquired Warez files, so that we could imprison the child and save him from a life of crime. "Conspiracy, my ass...it was just two separate instances of ordinary, everyday abuse of the citizens that he has magnified into some deep, dark plot in order to feed his paranoid fantasies." The general consensus among the drunken, licentious crowd gathered around the Video Lottery machines in the pub was that the man in question was "pretty much toast," since the Mounties 'always get their man,' as a result of many of them coming from small farming communities and having a great deal of experience in 'planting.' Some of average, small town alcoholics were of the opinion that the Official RCMP Hate Page was rather self-serving and vastly overblown, anyway. "That little glue-sniffer that the Mountie whacked out while he was clinging to his momma's skirt was pretty skinny...I doubt that he was worth more than fifty points, max." As I was leaving, the blindfolded reportwhore threw up on the shoes of the officer giving him the drunk-test, and those waiting in line to be humiliated and abused gave him an average of 9.6 for style, 9.8 for presentation, and a perfect 10 for artistic merit, since he had eaten an all-dressed pizza for dinner.

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Re: CypherPunks -- The Early Years
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Eric Cordian wrote: > > Might I ask why several prominent Cypherpunks have begun reposting > "News of the Weird" through sympatico.ca? Is this some sort of > Pod thing? Close examination of fossil mosquitoes from 40 million years ago show they look just about the same as that one dining on your arm. ============================================== LMBoyd Web Site / U. S. Newspapers / Start Email / Stop Email http://www.LMBoyd.com/postscript.htm

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do it to them. they deseve it.
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tuesesday March 10, 1998 3/10/98 E-mail Federico.F.Pena(a)hq.doe.gov and mail Federico F. Pena The Secretary of Energy United States Department of Energy Washington, D.C. 20585 Dear Secretary Pena: Purpose of this letter is to appeal a denial of a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) Request. I wrote on Tuesday February 17, 1999 15:11 e-mail and mail Ms. Elva Barfield Freedom of Information Office U. S. Department of Energy Albuquerque Operations Office/OIEA POB 5400 Albuquerque, NM 87185-5400 EBARFIELD(a)DOEAL.GOV Dear Ms. Barfield: VP Al Gore is in the crypto business. Information SuperSpyWay Al Gore Approved Encryption for China in Return for Campaign Donations by Charles R. Smith Portions of the above document posted on Internet at http://www.us.net/softwar/ and http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ states 1. Gore charged with encryption policy according to PDD-5 and PRD-27 on April 16, 1993. 2. Government officials represent themselves on Al Gore's behalf for RSA patent purchase negotiations in Feb. 1994. 3. RSA chairman Bidzos meets with Chinese officials at the same time as Ron Brown in Oct. 1995. 4. RSA Chairman Bidzos enters into merger negotiations with Security Dynamics, a company backed by Sanford Robertson, in Nov. 1995. 5. VP Gore calls Sanford Robertson from the White House for a donation in Nov. 1995. 6. Robertson delivers $100,000 donation ($80,000 soft - $20,000 directly into the Clinton/Gore campaign) in Jan. 1996. 7. RSA signs deal with China in Feb. 1996. The administration previously prosecuted similar deals but this time does nothing. 8. Justice Dept. approves RSA merger with Security Dynamics in April 1996 for $280 million dollars, netting Sanford Robertson's company a cool $2 million just to write the deal. In 1991 I was in involved with Sandia National Laboratories Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty seismic data authenticator. At that time Sandia director Tommy A Sellers had assumed responsibility for directorship from Robert Clem. Sandia supervisor Tom Wright replaced my supervisor, John Holovka, who was the supervisor for the CTBT seismic data authenticator. Wright brought in Ph.D. Steven Goldsmith to supervise me. Sellars, Wright, and Goldsmith were new to crypto-type projects. Much of this is documented at http://www.jya.com/whp021598.htm. This is evidenced by Sellar's attached SEP 24 1991 memorandum, which Goldsmith help author, addressed to Dr James J Hearn at the National Security Agency. The SEP 24 memorandum contained a number of technical errors. I corrected these errors in my attached December 20, 1991 memorandum. Department of Energy and it predecessors have a well-documented history of not requiring technical expertise for pursuit of interests. Stewart Udall, The Myths of August, writes, Any cover-up must be implemented and enforced by designated agents, and one man emerged in 1953 as the quarterback of the AEC's damage-control effort. His name was Gordon Dunning. Although the personnel charts of the 1950s list him as a low-level "rad-safe" official in the Division of Biology and Medicine, documents demonstrate that he was clothed with authority to manage and suppress information about the radiation released by the testing of nuclear weapons. ... About the time Sellers and Sandia Ombudsman gave me a directed transfer to break electronic locks for the FBI/ERF [engineering research facility], Goldsmith and Wright, certainly with the approval of Sellers, placed a contract with RSA Inc [http://www.rsa.com/] I was told. Ms Barfield, we think the American public needs to know more about RSA's work with Sandia National Laboratories. Therefore, Under the provision of the Freedom of Information Act, 5 USC 552, I am requesting access to: 1 ALL purchase requisitions, including any attached statement of work, issued by Sandia National Laboratories, Los Alamos National Laboratories, or DOE/ALOO between January 1, 1991 and February 17, 1998 to RSA Inc. 2 Copies of all invoices from RSA Inc received by Sandia National Laboratories, Los Alamos National Laboratories, or DOE/ALOO between January 1, 1991 and February 17, 1998 If there are any fees for searching for, or copying, the records I have requested, please inform me before you fill the request. As you know, the Act permits you to reduce or waive the fees when the release of the information is considered as "primarily benefiting the public." I believe that this requests fits that category and I therefore ask that you waive any fees. Your office agreed to waive fees before. This request is surely of "public interest." December 13, 1994 DOE/AL FOIA officer Gwen Schreiner waived fees for the reason, "We have considered your request and have determined that release of the requested records is in the public interest, that disclosure of this information is likely to contribute significantly to public understanding of the operations or activities of the government, that you or the organization you represent have little or no commercial interest in the material contained in the records, that you or the organization you represent have the qualifications and ability to use and disseminate the information, and that the records are not currently in the public domain. A waiver of fees is therefore granted." This waiver of fees was, undoubtedly, issued as a result of former Energy Secretary Hazel O'Leary's Openness initiative. Heart of America paid my way to hear Secretary O'Leary's celebrated whistleblower speech. If all or any part of this request is denied, please cite the specific exemption(s) which you think justifies your refusal to release the information and inform me of your agency's administrative appeal procedures available to me under the law. I would appreciate your handling this request as quickly as possible, and I look forward to hearing from you within 20 working days, as the law stipulates. I received no response to the above FOIA. Therefore I appeal as a result of non-response. As you may be aware (6)(A) Each agency, upon any request for records made under paragraph (1), (2), or (3) of this subsection, shall-- (i) determine within ten days \1\ (excepting Saturdays, Sundays, and legal public holidays) after the receipt of any such request whether to comply with such request and shall immediately notify the person making such request of such determination and the reasons therefor, and of the right of such person to appeal to the head of the agency any adverse determination; and And you may also be aware ------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ Under section 12(b) of the Electronic Freedom of Information Act Amendments of 1996 (Pub. L. 104-231; 110 Stat. 3054), the amendment made by section 8(b) of such Act striking ``ten days'' and inserting ``20 days'' shall take effect on October 3, 1997. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- (ii) make a determination with respect to any appeal within twenty days (excepting Saturdays, Sundays, and legal public holidays) after the receipt of such appeal. If on appeal the denial of the request for records is in whole or in part upheld, the agency shall notify the person making such request of the provisions for judicial review of that determination under paragraph (4) of this subsection So I expect a response to this appeal within the time allotted to you by law. Much of this unfortunate matter is appearing on Internet. http://www.jya.com/whp021598.htm http://www.jya.com/cylinked.htm Letter from Bill Payne Regarding Cryptography at Sandia http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ Crypto AG: The NSA's Trojan Whore? http://caq.com/CAQ/caq63/caq63madsen.html NSA, Crypto AG, and the Iraq-Iran War http://www.aci.net/kalliste/speccoll.htm How Secure is America's Nuclear Arsenal? http://www.aci.net/kalliste/nukearse.htm And, of course, we continue to seek settlement. Sincerely, William H. Payne 13015 Calle de Sandias Albuquerque, NM 87111

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Re: BATFC -- Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Cryptography
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 3/10/98 7:22 AM, John Young (jya(a)pipeline.com) passed this wisdom: >It worth noting that Microsoft and the Justice Department are >perfect twins of technology and law monopolies, using brute force >and contracts to get their way, both clothed in self-righteousness >and both led by charming weirdos, both totally obsessed with each >their own mad view of law and technology in the "public interest." John, would you really refer to Janet Reno as a 'charming weirdo'???? I can think of lost of names, epithets, and descriptions, but that surely would be far down my list.

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Re: BATFC -- Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Cryptography
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Brian Riley wrote: >On 3/10/98 7:22 AM, John Young (jya(a)pipeline.com) passed this wisdom: > John, would you really refer to Janet Reno as a 'charming weirdo'???? I >can think of lost of names, epithets, and descriptions, but that surely >would be far down my list. Brian, that post was a feeble one-time attempt to write straight prose, uninflected, unaccusatory, undiabolical, un-nuts, un-understandable. It took days of agony to arrive at empty perfection, to say nothing with crystal clear aplomb, foreign policy piquant, transparent balderdash cover-up of bald-face lies delivered deadpan grammatically. I been studying James Rubin's disarmingly weird repartee at the State Department press conferences. Today he asked a reporter to define "who's got the con" for foreign policy. (Laughter, the transcript hooted.) "Charming weirdo" is the Secretary of State's and Rubin's demonic auto-epithet for her, emulating homicidal Maggie Thatcher hiding her demure will to slaughter. Swear to god this is the last time I'll try to ape well-mannered civil discourse. You got the con: It's too sicko wacko. Back to incoherent snarl of ignorant brutes chewing leg off for freedom.

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Re: Dr. Dimentos Tentacles
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

bill.stewart(a)pobox.com wrote: > > Guy -- > First you and Vulis flame each others, and then > you start claiming that VZNuri's postings are really Vulis, > and now you're claiming that postings from Toto's machines > are really Vulis. Perhaps *you're* really Vulis? Bill Frantz is *really* Vulis. Bill Stewart is *really* Toto. Both are charter members, along with Bill Clinton and Bill Gates, of a secret society of people named Bill who plan to form a new world government and declare the Buffalo Bills to be the real Superbowl Champions by an act of legislation. I am truly amazed that a seemingly intelligent group of individuals such as the CypherPunks cannot see the blatantly obvious connections between the Bills and the TMs who are warring for control of our minds. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:.T:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Forge What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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Re: BATFC -- Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Cryptography
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 3/10/98 10:45 PM, John Young (jya(a)pipeline.com) passed this wisdom: >Brian Riley wrote: >>On 3/10/98 7:22 AM, John Young (jya(a)pipeline.com) passed this wisdom: > >> John, would you really refer to Janet Reno as a 'charming weirdo'???? I >>can think of lost of names, epithets, and descriptions, but that surely >>would be far down my list. > >Brian, that post was a feeble one-time attempt to write straight prose, >uninflected, unaccusatory, undiabolical, un-nuts, un-understandable. > >It took days of agony to arrive at empty perfection, to say nothing with >crystal clear aplomb, foreign policy piquant, transparent balderdash >cover-up of bald-face lies delivered deadpan grammatically. > >I been studying James Rubin's disarmingly weird repartee at the State >Department press conferences. Today he asked a reporter to define >"who's got the con" for foreign policy. (Laughter, the transcript hooted.) > >"Charming weirdo" is the Secretary of State's and Rubin's demonic >auto-epithet for her, emulating homicidal Maggie Thatcher hiding her >demure will to slaughter. > >Swear to god this is the last time I'll try to ape well-mannered civil >discourse. You got the con: It's too sicko wacko. Back to incoherent >snarl of ignorant brutes chewing leg off for freedom. ROFLAAMAIBGFOT37thFOAOBDTADW: rollin on floor laffing almost as much as if Bill Gates fell out the 37th floor of an office building due to a defective window.

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17 Dec '03

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No Subject
by yoji fujita 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Information From The Microsoft Personal Information Center
by mscompia＠microsoft.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here is your password you requested from the Microsoft Personal Information Center at http://register.microsoft.com/regwiz/personalinfo.asp. Password: cypherpunks If you continue to have access problems or want to report other issues, please contact us through the Write Us button at the top of any Microsoft page.

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emailed prez. death threat conviction
by David Honig 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://biz.yahoo.com/upi/98/03/11/general_news/usclinton_2.html Wednesday March 11 5:39 AM EST Teen convicted of Clinton e-mail threats MIDLAND, Mich., March 11 (UPI) _ A 17-year-old high school honors student faces jail after being convicted of sending e-mail death threats to President Clinton. Heidi Sullivan of Midland, Mich., was sentenced Tuesday to eight days in jail and two years probation for sending threats to the White House in January from a computer at Midland High School. Midland County Probation Officer Tom Adams says Sullivan could have received 20 years for threatening the president, but probably got the reduced sentence because of her family's history. [...] ..................... In other news President Might Go Under Knife WASHINGTON (AP) -- Sorry, Bill, it's for your own good. After consulting with his proctologist -- and hearing an appeal in favor of neutering from actress Doris Day -- First Lady Hillary Clinton has decided on the procedure for the President. But the reluctant First Lady reserved the right to change her mind. In announcing Hillary's decision Tuesday, White House spokesman Barry Toiv said Mrs. Clinton was ``inclined'' to allow the procedure. The National Organization of Women, the nation's largest women's rights group, applauded the First Lady's decision, saying she was doing the right thing. ``Neutering or spaying politicians is one of the most important acts a responsible society can take,'' said Martha Armstrong, a society vice president. ``It promotes better physical and behavioral health, and it helps to address the ubiquitous sexual misconduct crises.'' Hillary set no immediate date for putting her husband under the knife, leaving some to wonder whether the 50 year old former Arkansas governor has been told of his fate. ``Bill's a little too young to understand,'' Toiv said. Indeed, the President seemed blissfully unaware of any pending surgery as he played fetch with Buddy, the first dog, on the South Lawn with a green tennis ball Tuesday. White House press secretary Mike McCurry said today the procedure was ``not likely anytime soon given the dispositions and pending indictments.'' Toiv said Mrs. Clinton's decision was driven by concerns for her husband's health. She denied that it was motivated by the encounters Bill has had with Socks the family cat and various White House staff and interns. Dr. Jacqueline Suarez, a proctologist with the Alexandria (Va.) Army Hospital, said neutering can help curb politicians' aggression toward other politicians and tendency to fornicate in unwelcome places. ``Although, if we have people questioning if they should or shouldn't, those health reasons are good reasons to neuter as well, so we'll use them as part of the case for neutering,'' Suarez said. Miss Day, president of the Doris Day Humanitarian League, sent Clinton a letter in December expressing concern that the nation would suffer if he were left intact. Among them was a risk of impeachment in addition to testicular cancer and prostate infections that could lead to problems with urination. In January, McCurry said there were no plans to neuter the President, who had moved into the White House in 1993. However, Clinton physician Connie Mariano has now told Miss Day in a letter that Mrs. Clinton had decided to neuter the president on the advice of White House advisor James Carville. Armstrong said that politicians need not worry about losing their procreative abilities. ``Politicians don't have a real concept of identity or ego. Its all drive for power. Neutering a politician or justice department official will not change his basic personality,'' she said. ``They don't suffer any kind of emotional reaction or identity crisis when neutered.'' Got that, Mr. President? original at http://www.newsday.com/ap/rnmpwh1z.htm ------------------------------------------------------------ David Honig Orbit Technology honig(a)otc.net Intaanetto Jigyoubu Beat your algorithms into swords and your virtual machines into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.

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Re: BATFC -- Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Cryptography
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 3/11/98 2:39 PM, Toto (toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca) passed this wisdom: >Brian B. Riley wrote: >> >> On 3/10/98 10:45 PM, John Young (jya(a)pipeline.com) passed this wisdom: >> >Swear to god this is the last time I'll try to ape well-mannered civil >> >discourse. You got the con: It's too sicko wacko. Back to incoherent >> >snarl of ignorant brutes chewing leg off for freedom. >> >> ROFLAAMAIBGFOT37thFOAOBDTADW: rollin on floor laffing almost as >> much as if Bill Gates fell out the 37th floor of an office building due >> to a defective window. > >Hey, asshole! >Thanks for telling *everyone* about our plan... >Now I have to contact Blanc Weber and Jeff Sandquist and tell >them we have to come up with a new scheme. >And *this* time, we're not telling *you* about it! > >Otot >~~~~ I guess I now can consider myself a part of the list. I am have officially and publically been called an asshole by Toto ... the waitng has been killing me!

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Re: BATFC -- Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Cryptography
by Dave Emery 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, Mar 11, 1998 at 10:31:09AM -0800, James A. Donald wrote: > -- > > The Cato institute has done studies on comparative > remuneration which shows approximately double the salaries, > accompanied by vastly more security and power. > > At the bottom end, bus drivers and prison guards, this is > strikingly obvious. A muni bus driver makes about as much as > senior engineer in Silicon valley. > At the risk of an irrelevant and stupid digression from the topic of the threat, Is this really true ? The technical people I know who work for the government seem to get salaries that would be low in industry for someone with that background. And I'd be surprised that bus drivers out in silicon valley were really making the $60-95K that ordinary senior engineers designing bus drivers make around here (the NE). If they are, they are getting lots more than other municipal employees such as school teachers with masters degrees. (In fact, I've heard that demand had recently driven salaries in the valley way up and maybe my numbers for engineers are low, especially for software engineers.) There is, of course, that nasty law that classifies engineers as exempt professionals but allows companies to treat them as just cannon fodder workers stuffed into cubicles and treated with little of the respect the term professional would suggest - to be forced to work large amounts of completely uncompensated overtime. Bus drivers (non exempt) do get paid for every minute they are on the job, and many times work schedules are deliberately arranged to guarantee significant amounts of overtime at time and a half, so many bus drivers actually make a significant multiple of their nominal salary for the same hours engineers get base salary and no more. But I do think that Prof. Froomkin is right that a lot of top managers and legal types and others in government whose private sector equivalents get huge salaries do work at a considerable loss. Salaries for top of the heap government employees such as judges and managers of large departments with budgets in the tens or hundreds of millions rarely get more than $150K, whereas similar people would get much more in the private sector. Of course the job security differences are vast, and government workers are one of the very few classes of workers left in the economy who have any actual job security long term at all. -- Dave Emery N1PRE, die(a)die.com DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass. PGP fingerprint = 2047/4D7B08D1 DE 6E E1 CC 1F 1D 96 E2 5D 27 BD B0 24 88 C3 18

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Re: [LEGAL] Crypto as Contraband?
by Dave Emery 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, Mar 08, 1998 at 11:41:41PM -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: Qouting worst proposal before congress... > > LEGAL TO USE CRYPTO: "After January 31, 2000, it shall not be > unlawful to use any encryption product purchased or in use prior to > such date." > > At the risk of raising yet another stupid and silly issue, does anybody know how this would apply to crypto (such as PGP) available in source form ? Would only binaries produced by compiling the source before the cutoff date be legal ? Or would compiling the source under a new version of the OS or new OS or even new instruction set (ISA-64 on a Merced for example) merely constitute reasonable use of the existing source product ? How about mechanical translations of the object to another environment or instruction set ? And what level of patches, bug fixes, or actual changes and improvements to the source would be legal if it was legal to compile the source and use the resulting binary after the cutoff ? -- Dave Emery N1PRE, die(a)die.com DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass. PGP fingerprint = 2047/4D7B08D1 DE 6E E1 CC 1F 1D 96 E2 5D 27 BD B0 24 88 C3 18

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Re: Only In Anonymous...
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous wrote: > > There's nothing wrong with satire, but people ought to mark it as such, > when posting to a list filled with weak-minded and ideologically > blinded individuals. I've long said the same thing about the purported 'news' stories carried by the mainstream press, but the replies I have received from the news giants merely state that their office gang all had a good laugh over my 'satire'. Until the mainstream press begins marking their articles with such labels/disclaimers as 'half-truth'/'politically-biased'/'government- handout'/'self-serving'/'total-bullshit', etc., then I see no reason to require such labeling by individual netizens who may well be doing nothing more than writing the news of the near-future. You go cut wood, carry water--chop, chop, splash, splash... ZenRacistMonger

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House of Commons Library on US Sigint in Europe
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Simon Hossack has sent us a copy of a letter to Oliver Heald MP (UK) from the House of Commons Library on US signals intelligence in Europe, with focus on Menwith Hill. It is an answer to Mr. Heald's request for information on the charge of US spying in the STOA report as described by Duncan Campbell and Nicky Hager. The letter documents successive parlimentary and journalistic inquiries about the USA/UK 50-years-long arrangement for joint intelligence and HMG's answers. http://jya.com/hoc-ussigint.htm

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ANNOUNCE: March Bay Area Cypherpunks Meeting Saturday March 14, 12-6pm
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The March Bay Area Cypherpunks meeting will be held Saturday, March 14th, at Network Associates in Menlo Park. Time - 12 noon hang out, 1-5 program, followed by dinner nearby, various evening parties Agenda: Ian Goldberg's HINDE algorithm Reports from FC98 Anguilla Financial Cryptography conference Reports from Computers, Freedom, and Privacy CFP 98 Open PGP status discussion Work in progress Location: Network Associates, Inc Total Network Security division (formerly PGP, Inc) 4500 Bohannon Drive, Menlo Park Directions to NAI: Take 101 (from North or South) Exit at "Marsh Road/Atherton" Go West (young man) off exit (right exit lane coming south from SF). Turning to the West (away from the Bay / freeway) Get in Left lane immediately. Turn Left at very first light (Scott Drive, not far from freeway exit) (landmark: Shell gas station is on your right as you turn left) Go South on Scott ~2/3 mi (parallel to 101 freeway fence). Pass one Stop sign (do not turn yet). (landmark: Sun Microsystems has an office on the right) Scott curves to right, becomes Bohannon Drive. Turn left into first driveway: "Menlo Oak" Business Park Go straight through parking lot ~2-300 yds Curve 270 degrees around Fountain (effective left turn) #4500 is on left as you curve around fountain. Go down ~50 yds to main lobby entrance (south side of building). Ask reception for Dave Del Torto (call 415.730.3583 cel if any problem). Meeting room is behind reception area through first door on left. Known or Suspected Parties: Sandy's Masquerade in or near Oakland PENSFA at Jim & Heather's in Campbell "It's Green" filk-oriented potluck in San Jose (afternoon/evening) Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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