December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: [CRYPTO] (was: sig/noise ratio)
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > > > Items crypto related but missing the [CRYPTO] header could be > > reposted by well meaning souls. > > > > Other appropriate headers could of course be used. > > > > Brian Yeah, It`s sad that it`s got to this stage now but I support the idea anyway, I`ll start prefixing all my cryptographic code or technical postings with the headers. Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Re: Mousepad RNG's?
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I just downloaded a copy of the beta version of Datafellows > Windows 3.1 SSH and it asked to move the mouse around to > generate some randomness. In reading Applied Crypto, it > mentioned that there is no such thing as generating > randomness from a personal computer unless something like > a Geiger counter is used. Is there any way to create a > fairly random sample from the mouse? Should one use lots > of jerky movements, or take ones time with it? What applied crypto would have said was that one cannot generate randomness on a computer without reference to an external source, a mouse is as good as any, the real problem is generating random numbers using PRNGs (Pseudo random number generators) which are algorithms that produce statistically random data that may be predictable, in the words of John Von Neumann "Anyone who considers aritmetic methods of generating random numbers is in a state of sin" In brief, a mouse output would be acceptable, just move the mouse any old way around the screen and the data will be random enough for your uses... Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Re: Mousepad RNG's?
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> At 8:13 PM -0700 9/27/96, James A. Donald wrote: > >Some time ago, at a cypherpunks conference, people were making >all sorts of ridiculous proposals for being really, really, >really, sure that you had real entropy, and a prominent >cypherpunk, possibly Tim May, said, "This is ridiculous: >Nobody ever broke good crypto through weakness in the >source of truly random numbers". Sometime after that >Netscape was broken through weakness in the source of >truly random numbers. This is correct only in the first part, it is true that good cryptography has never been documentably broken through weaknesses in a real random source. The netscape attack was on the PRNG used in netscape, the proverbial state of sin. I don`t know what PRNG netscape used in the broken version, can anyone tell me what they used, and whether it was the PRNG or the seed that was weak, also I would be interested to know what they are using now in terms of the algorithm and seed... Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Re: crypto anarchy vs AP
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:21 PM 9/29/96 +0200, Gary Howland wrote: >jim bell wrote: >> >> On a related issue, GPS (global-positioning system) contains a de-accurizing >> mis-feature called S/A, which adds a little error to the location as >> detected by a receiver. Ostensibly, it was added so that this could be >> turned on in wartime, to deny the enemy the ability to make 10-meter fixes. >> Turns out that it was kept on all the time, probably because if it WASN'T it >> would become politically impossible to de-accurize the system even in wartime. > >Apparently S/A (selective availability) was turned *off* during the Gulf >war. "Military Intelligence" in action. Yes, because of lack of enough S/A-capable military receivers... They were stuck with using the commercial, off-the-shelf kind. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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GPS and other Dual-use technologies
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I used to be an avid RC modeler and have contemplated organizing an on-going amateur cruise missile contest. The object would be to accurately deliver various payload weights over courses of various terrain and distances (perhaps out to a hundred miles or more in the case of Giant Scale craft). Judging would be based on speed, stealth (noise, IR emissions and radar cross section) and accuracy. Craft are free to use any navigational technology, but must be autonomous from launch to delivery. To aid navigation I was considering the design of a substitute differential GPS beacon functionally interchangable with those offered by the USCG. My device would work on a different frequency, possibly using very wideband direct sequence spread spectrum (for low probability of intercept/detection) and be actuated by the missile as it neared the target in order to refine its position. -- Steve PGP Fingerprint: FE 90 1A 95 9D EA 8D 61 81 2E CC A9 A4 4A FB A9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Schear | Internet: azur(a)netcom.com Lamarr Labs | Voice: 1-702-658-2654 7075 West Gowan Road | Fax: 1-702-658-2673 Suite 2148 | Las Vegas, NV 89129 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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Key-Escrow
by Scottauge＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have a question. There seems to be a lot of excitement over the key escrow stuff da gubermint is trying to install. Couldn't one burn off maybe 10 ** 200 keys and say, hey gubermint dude, these are like, gonna be my keys. Wouldn't this place them into a brute force search if they wanted to play with your info? Doing this will likely add to the tax burden for all dem disk drives needed to store them numbers. :( If ya can't do that, then they must be gonna sell key space like da radio spectrm - which means some number is gonna mean something to someone somewhere - yum yum say the hackers and the crackers. I'm thinking there will be a way no matter what happens....

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Re: The Petaflops Boondoggle Computer (was PET_ard)
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:00 AM 9/29/96 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: >(Hoist by their own petards indeed! Don't tell our Russian what petard means.) Uh, wasn't that the name of the bald captain on Star Trek Next Generation? You know, "Jean-Luc Petard"? >> The word is petaflops, computer jargon for 1000 >> trillion computations per second. Think of it as a >> year's labor for a powerful workstation compressed >> into 30 seconds. Think of it, also, as 1000 times the >> speed of the current computing benchmark, a trillion >> operations a second -- teraflops -- which is on the >... > >I doubt this will be ever be built, at least not as a government-funded >"G-job" "one-off" machine. It would, as the full article state, necessitate >a kind of "Apollo program" for supercomputers. Check out an article in about the September issue of Scientific American, 1966, on the subject of the Illiac IV, which was one of the first attempts at a multiprocessor machine. Originally it was conceived as a 256-processor unit, at 4 million (floating point?) operations per second per processor which would have been 1 giga ops per second, but it was eventually built as a 64-processor unit and turned on in about 1972 or so. The succeeding factor-of-1000 improvement appears (if the item above is accurate) to have taken 24 years to accomplish, so it's hard to imagine that the next factor of 1000 will arrive appreciably sooner than year 2020. >The reasons for the collapse of the market are well-known: the end of >communism has lessened certain needs, the cut-backs in defense spending, >"the attack of the killer micros" (arrays of cheap micros give better >bang-for-the-buck), and, related to the themes of this list, NSA's >code-breaking just ain't what it used to be. Oddly enough, however, we're getting somewhat of an echo of the "big single processor" phenomenon with the micros. We all know that in supercomputers, multiprocessors won out over single processors, and mainframes were just about defeated by microcomputers. Yet a look at Intel's pricing for Pentiums shows that they sell a 120-MHz chip for about $135, while they sell a 200-megahertz version for around $550 or so. Arithmetic suggests that a person would be far better off with a 4-120-MHz-processor Pentium (cumulative clock rate 480 MHz) than a single, 200-megahertz version. (admittedly, peripheral logic costs will adjust this a little.) Of course, this would also leave Intel flat on its ass attempting to compete with AMD, Cyrix, etc, because a somewhat higher speed per cpu is just about the only advantage they have. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: [AP] Afghanistan
by Wayne H. Allen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:10 AM 9/29/96 EDT, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: >Afghanis publicly hanged their former president, Najibullah [no last name]. >Other countries should follow their example. > >--- > >Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM >Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps > > And this would accomplish???? And this has what to do with cryptography?? Wayne H.Allen whallen(a)capitalnet.com Pgp key at www.capitalnet.com/~whallen

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Re: Utah as a Religious Police State
by Ryan Russell/SYBASE 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I guess that depends on your definition of liberty. The Mormons originally moved there to have a place to practice their religion, and have freedom from persecution. I suppose one could extend that to wanting a place to have the freedom to have a set of rules consistant with their beliefs. Should that include freedom from interferance from folks such as yourself who want to change their rules, even though you're not presently effected? Ryan ---------- Previous Message ---------- To: cypherpunks cc: From: tcmay @ got.net ("Timothy C. May") @ smtp Date: 09/28/96 10:35:42 PM Subject: Utah as a Religious Police State Hey, Attila, let me know where you folks live...I may want to move there! At 2:56 AM +0000 9/29/96, attila wrote: > the population base is changing with an influx of non-Mormons > in town, so R rated are showing up at the theatres and video > rentals in town. Just so long as my DSS dish still works in Utah--hey, I'll invite all the jack Mormons over for tomorrow night's showing of "Inside Janine," on the "Playboy Channel." (The "Playboy Channel" is kind of tame by video rental standards, but more crotch shots than we used to see a couple of years ago.) > the police visible prescence is effective --a force of 50+ for > a population base < 25,000, plus the county sherrif cars and the > state police. Curfew is 10pm weekdays for minors --and they > enforce it, big time. midnight Fri/Sat. They enforce the "curfew" big time? Looks like some Mormon pigs need to be zapped. (My kids don't cotton to no cop telling them when they can be out in public and when they can't. Any cop who tries to stop my kids from being out has earned severe retaliation. Any councilmember or state legislator who voted for such a curfew needs to be hog-tied, covered with tar, then torched.) I guess this is why I wouldn't last very long in Mormon Country. A fascist encampment, it sounds like. (I have no problem with Mormons, or Catholics, or Muslims, or Satanists keeping _their own_ children indoors after 7, or 5, or whatever their Holy Hour or Curfew Hour is, but no fucking religious nuts are going to tell _me_ when _my_ children must be indoors. I determine where my children may be, and I don't need the State's permission for them to be out. I would think anyone with an iota of libertarian sentiment would understand this.) > ...idle hands are the devil's workshop. you want good solid > kids, you start from the gate and keep 'em busy: home, neighbors, > school, church, etc. Do Utah's cops also enforce this law, too? > they do not date until they are 16 --in groups. boys and > girls --the same rules. With the Utah State Police enforcing this "dating curfew"? (I may sound harsh here, but "curfew" means one and only one thing to me: somebody restricting my freedom of those of my children to be a public place. Should one of my children be picked up by cops for doing nothing illegal, save for being "out past curfew," I'd consider violent response to be justified. It sounds to me--not that I ever thought otherwise--that Utah is not a land that favors liberty.) --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Internet 'terrorism' newsclips [CYPHER, but news]
by Donald Weightman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From today's PARADE magazine, that valuable source for insight into the popular heart and mind, "explaining" why "we" haven't been able to catch Iranian terrorists: >Thanks to the highly sophisticated surveillance capabilities, American >intelligence agencies have intercepted enough telephone messages from Iran, >ordering acts of terrorism, that Iran's terrorist network stopped using the >phone. Reportedly this has caused them to start using codes on the Internet >that are "practically" impossible to track and isolate. >"Just when we thought we had outsmarted them, they caught on and started >using codes on the Internet", an expert in international terrorrism tells >us. "There's so much crazy srewball stuff on the Internet that it's >practically impossible to track down and isolate the terrorists. No >government can analyze those millions and millions of messages." And from another piece of hard-hitting quote-the-official-source journalism in PARADE, "A New Worry: Terrorism in Cyberspace" >The danger of computer-based "cyper" attacks is second only to that posed by >nuclear arms and other weapons of mass destruction, says CIA's Director, John >Deutch. He expects the threat to grow as we rush to connect the world on the >Internet. <SNIP> >There were more than 250,000 attacks on Department of Defense computers last >year, and 65% were successful. Little is known about who launched them, why, or >what they found. In a recent test, Defense Department "red teams" admit to >intentionally hacking into 18,200 systems, with only 5% of the attacks >detected; only 27% of those attacks were reported. Wonder if the timing of these stories has anything to do with the end of term legislative push on wiretapping. Don Weightman dweightman(a)radix.net

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Re: Utah as a Religious Police State
by Timothy C. May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(I received this message, with "cypherpunks(a)sybase.com" as well as "tcmay(a)sybase.com" (???) cc:ed, so I assume this message was intended for the Cypherpunks list, with some sybase domain name weirdness, or reflector, going on.) At 12:30 PM -0400 9/29/96, Ryan Russell/SYBASE wrote: >I guess that depends on your definition of liberty. The Mormons >originally moved there to have a place to practice their religion, >and have freedom from persecution. I suppose one could extend that >to wanting a place to have the freedom to have a set of rules consistant >with their beliefs. Should that include freedom from interferance from >folks such as yourself who want to change their rules, even though >you're not presently effected? Well, if Utah can rig a way to _secede_ from the Union, your arguments would make more sense. But so long as they are part of these United States, their religious beliefs about when children should be at home cannot supersede basic liberties. (There are some thorny issues about whether _minors_ have full civil rights. But I certainly know that _my_ civil rights are being affected when my children are not allowed on the streets after some hour. If my child is out, this is my problem. I neither want cops to stop-and-detain my children, nor do I want my tax monies to be used to control the behavior of other people's children. Providing no crimes are being committed, curfews for the sake of controlling the behavior of children are no more just than would be a bunch of related behavior control laws, e.g., a ban on comic books, a mandate that all children join after-school youth leagues, etc.) As for "changing their rules," you're missing the point. There are presumably many in Utah who believe as I do (maybe even some Mormons). Those who are living in Utah, as renters, owners, whatever, should not be bound by unconstitutional rules, no matter how many Mormon Elders favor them. Unless the Mormons own _all_ of the property (and maybe not even then, as renters have civil rights), they cannot impose their own notions of morality on the rest of the population, except in compelling cases (e.g., involving the well-known actual _crimes_). I don't mean to pick on Mormons, as other communities have also attempted to impose curfews and other restricitions on the children of others. My ire was raised by Attila's enthusiastic support for laws which no freedom-loving person should be enthusiastic about. Again, I have no problem with Attila restricting his own children's movements, or joining with other parents to control the behavior of their _own_ children, via religious camps, religious schools, youth leagues, etc. He can even make his own kids wear funny uniforms, funny religious hats, whatever. But, for example, tellling _me_ when _my_ children may be out on public streets (doing nothing illegal, neither robbing nor spray-painting nor committing any other real crimes) is unacceptable. I urge Attila (and others) to rethink enthusiastic support for curfews. --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Internet 'terrorism' newsclips [CYPHER, but news]
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>There were more than 250,000 attacks on Department of Defense computers last >>year, and 65% were successful. Little is known about who launched them, >why, or >>what they found. In a recent test, Defense Department "red teams" admit to >>intentionally hacking into 18,200 systems, with only 5% of the attacks >>detected; only 27% of those attacks were reported. > >Wonder if the timing of these stories has anything to do with the end of >term legislative push on wiretapping. Quite possibly. The message from this article is clear. Step up investigation and prosecution of illegal government Net activities :-) -- Steve

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Chinese Censorship
by E. Allen Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> _________________________________________________________________ > Cisco-Job Fair > _________________________________________________________________ > CHINA RELAXES CONTROLS ON INTERNET ACCOUNTS > __________________________________________________________________________ > Copyright &copy 1996 Nando.net > Copyright &copy 1996 Reuter Information Service > SHANGHAI (Sep 25, 1996 08:48 a.m. EDT) - China has removed limits on > the country's number of Internet accounts following the recent > installation of safety controls on the computer network, a senior > Shanghai telecommunications official said on Wednesday. Safety controls... nice euphemism, similar to "key recovery". > "Some time ago, our security arrangements were incomplete and there > was a problem with pornographic and politically unacceptable > material," said Zhang Weihua, vice-president of the Shanghai Post and > Telecommunications Administration. [...] > Zhang said access to sites on the Internet containing pornographic or > politically unacceptable material had been restricted, adding, "This > material is restricted all over the world." > He declined to give details of the security controls placed on the > servers, saying he was only responsible for the technical side of the > service. > But Zhang did say he was unaware of any restrictions on access to > major international news sites through China's Internet servers. > Foreign reports have suggested that China has cut off access to such > news sites. Analysts say that China is concerned over development of > public computer networks and their use by people opposed to communist > rule or communist policies. [...] > Zhang said for "security" reasons there was a need to control > information and discussion on the Internet and related bulletin board > services. > "But surveys done on the usage and interests of people in China with > Internet access indicate that virtually all the material they wanted > to look at is domestic," he said. Due to language differences, I would guess. > China's key Internet Service Provider (ISP) selling access accounts is > Chinanet, controlled by the Post and Telecommunications Bureau. > Zhang said the bureau took measures earlier this year to control > unauthorised activities of other access providers, including > Shanghai's Fudan University, in order to handle the security issue. > China currently has access points to the Internet in Beijing and > Shanghai. It has no plans to add more, Zhang said. > He said his department was being assisted in building its computer > network by several American-Chinese originally from mainland China who > spent time working with the U.S. space agency NASA. I see.... (grimace) > Copyright &copy 1996 Nando.net

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Does any body know anything about this?
by nobody＠cypherpunks.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is this just more snakeoil or is this real? <<<<<<<< FORWARDED MESSAGE >>>>>>>> From: Ross Anderson <Ross.Anderson(a)cl.cam.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:05:28 +0100 Subject: Seminar in Cryptology and Computer Security *** *** *** *** *** University of Cambridge Computer Laboratory EXTRA SEMINAR SPEAKER: Matt Blaze AT&T Research DATE: Monday 23rd September 1996 at 11.30 am PLACE: Room TP4, Computer Laboratory TITLE: SYMMETRIC-KEY CIPHERS BASED ON HARD PROBLEMS A useful principle in cipher design is to reduce or at least relate closely the cryptanalysis of the cipher to some long-studied problem that is believed to be difficult. Most public-key ciphers follow this principle fairly closely (e.g., RSA is at least similar to factoring). Modern symmetric-key ciphers, on the other hand, can rarely be reduced in this way and so are frequently designed specifically to resist the various known cryptanalytic attacks. In this informal talk, we examine a simple cipher primitive, based on Feistel networks, for which recovery of its internal state given its inputs and outputs is NP-complete. We outline simple and efficient block- and stream- cipher constructions based on this primitive. * * * The regular Michaelmas term seminar series will resume on the 8th October with a series of talks on Tuesday afternoons at 4.15 PM in room TP4, Computer Laboratory, Pembroke Street, Cambridge. A list of speakers will be circulated shortly. * * *

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earthlink's image
by Allen Robinson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 28 Sep 96 at 16:09, Back Draft wrote: > Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 16:09:20 -0800 > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > From: backdraft(a)earthlink.net (Back Draft) > desubscribe > <sigh> Please do not assume that all earthlink users are alike. I've just mailed instructions on how to unsubscribe to "Back Draft." AR #%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#% "In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to society but for society to give to them, when the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free." - Edward Gibbon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Allen Robinson.........................sebago(a)earthlink.net PGP public key FE4A0A75 fingerprint 170FBC1F7609B76F 967F1CC8FCA7A41F

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newsgoup gateways
by Lurker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I was wondering if anyone could point me to some servers that will allow me to post to newsgoupes. I have seen some aroud that use the format: newsgroup@domain and forward the mail to the chosen newsgroup. Thanks

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British Censorship
by E. Allen Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The actions they claim they will do will, of course, lead to no results whatsoever in many cases... as it should be. The hotline in question sounds like a number as opposed to an email address... pity, we could just bounce all spam to it and ask them to deal with it. > _________________________________________________________________ > Cisco-Job Fair > _________________________________________________________________ > BRITISH GOVERNMENT SETS UP NET PORN FILTER > __________________________________________________________________________ > Copyright &copy 1996 Nando.net > Copyright &copy 1996 Reuter Information Service > LONDON (Sep 23, 1996 3:48 p.m. EDT) - The British government Monday > set up a watchdog to try to get pornography off the Internet. > Safety-Net, which is being financed by the industry, will have a > hotline to which callers can report suspected illegal material and > will contact police if necessary. Being financed by the industry = if you're going through a British ISP, you're paying for it whether you like it or not. > It will publish a "legality indicator" or rating for each public > access area on the Internet known as a Usenet news group. The rating > will indicate whether the group normally contains illegal or > pornographic material and what kind. > Internet users can contact the hotline to complain about material > received from anyone via an automatic telephone, mail, e-mail or > facsimile. > Safety-Net operators will try to see where the material came from, > contact the authors and ask them to remove it. They can ask the > relevant service provider to take action and pass details to the > British Police National Criminal Intelligence Service (NCIS). > "We at the Home Office (interior ministry) made it clear to the > Internet providers some time ago that action was needed to deal with > obscene material on the Internet," Home Office Minister Tom Sackville > said. [...] > Science and technology minister Ian Taylor said Safety-Net would act > as a warning system to alert the public. > "As this is an international network, we have to do something to try > to eliminate illegal use of it -- the abuse of the Internet by a few > perverts," he told BBC radio. As this is an international network, this is completely impossible. > "Government and the Internet industry have been working hard to come > up with proposals that can offer real protection to net users while > preserving free speech and recgonizing the value of the net for work, > education and leisure," Taylor added in a statement. Usual government doubletalk.... preserving free speech means no such actions. [...] > Copyright &copy 1996 Nando.net

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Cancelbots in the news
by E. Allen Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> _________________________________________________________________ > Centura > _________________________________________________________________ > HATE HACKERS: KILLING DIALOGUE ON THE INTERNET > __________________________________________________________________________ > Copyright &copy 1996 Nando.net > Copyright &copy 1996 San Francisco Examiner Note the usual misuse of the term "hacker." > (Sep 28, 1996 02:18 a.m. EDT) -- One or more hackers using racist and > other hate terms have erased tens of thousands of messages used by a > wide variety of political discussion groups on the Internet, exposing > new concerns about the security of the worldwide computer system. > At least one Internet customer -- in Oklahoma -- has been blamed for > some of the more than 30,000 killed messages and has been cut off by > his service provider. > "Obviously, the individual responsible is no longer around here," said > William Brunton, president of Internet Connection of Tulsa, one of > several service providers of Usenet news groups that were victimized > during the weekend. "You can be assured it's not going to happen again > from here." The author really doesn't understand USENET, does he (or she)? Evidently, one of the persons posting the cancels was doing so out of this company. > He said he had turned information over to federal authorities and > could not comment further. > In Washington, D.C., an FBI spokesman declined to confirm whether the > matter was being investigated although it was unclear what, if any, > laws may have been violated. > The messages were deleted from system discussion sites used by gays, > Jewish groups, Muslims, feminists and other politically oriented > groups. > The perpetrator or perpetrators used so-called "cancelbot" software > programs labeled with such phrases as "fagcancel" and "kikecancel." > Besides Brunton's small Oklahoma firm, Internet service providers > whose discussion groups were victimized included industry giants > Netcom Inc. of San Jose, and UU Net Technologies of Falls Church, Va. > Officials of those firms were not available for comment. And operating out of these? Or is it simply that the groups in question are carried by these firms? > While some believed such attacks pose a serious threat to the sanctity > of the Internet -- which is virtually unregulated save for a generally > adhered-to protocol known as "netiquette" -- others were less alarmed. Usual mixup between USENET and the Internet, of course. > "There actually are no laws against that sort of thing," said Jonah > Seiger, policy analyst for the Center for Democracy and Technology in > Washington, D.C. "Obviously, it's sort of annoying." > He said a cancelbot, or a forged cancel message, is "a malicious > vehicle and not good netiquette." [...] > Two years ago, when some immigration lawyers "spammed the net" -- > electronically plastering news groups throughout the Internet with a > single message, an advertisement telling how to get a green card -- > "it was the first time someone figured out you could cancel those > messages," Seiger said. > Since then, phony cancelbots have appeared with some frequency. In one > of the better-known cases, the Church of Scientology used cancelbots > to erase messages from news groups used by some of its members with > whom the church was engaged in a legal battle. > The security of the Internet has also been brought into question > recently after hackers altered home pages operated by the CIA and the > Justice Department. [...] > Copyright &copy 1996 Nando.net

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[SPAM] More fan mail from Timmy "peteur" May
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What has Timmy been smoking? ]From paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Sun Sep 29 19:03:40 1996 ]Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) ] via UUCP; Sun, 29 Sep 96 19:14:06 EDT ] for dlv ]Received: from disperse.demon.co.uk by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; ] id AA25790 for dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com; Sun, 29 Sep 96 19:03:40 -0400 ]Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([(null)]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id ac16129; ] 29 Sep 96 15:59 BST ]Received: from fatmans.demon.co.uk ([158.152.120.223]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net ] id aa09441; 29 Sep 96 15:54 BST ]Received: from fatmans.demon.co.uk by fatmans.demon.co.uk with SMTP ] id AA843903697 ; Sat, 28 Sep 96 09:41:37 +0000 ]Comments: Authenticated sender is <paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> ]From: paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk ]To: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> ]Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 09:21:37 +0000 ]Mime-Version: 1.0 ]Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII ]Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT ]Subject: Re: Possible subs attack???? ]Priority: normal ]X-Pm-Encryptor: JN-PGP-P, 4 ]X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) ]Message-Id: <844008901.9441.0(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> ] ]-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ] ] ]> The lying sack of shit Timmy May <paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> writes: ] ]> The lying sack of shit Timmy May lies again, as usual. ] ]Fuck you, ] ]I am not Tim May, Check out the return path if you don`t believe me, ]if you still don`t here`s my PGP public key signed by the EFF, they ]don`t sign keys here and there without checking ID`s... ] ]Type Bits/KeyID Date User ID ]pub 1024/5BBFAEB1 1996/07/30 Paul Bradley <paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> ] ]- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- ]Version: 2.6.3ia ] ]mQCNAjH9j+cAAAEEAMBvREiQR0ot9dFCO0TiSCSunAYLv2g1Bc6I3bz8FzKXNH53 ]6mieJf/W4rD+CxJpT0q9RQaaoRtkHJLwbjfK2il3D7mEahMAyqvF/xRJNqkXfhM3 ]sRJM0Jh43l+W0M5vwokbEbk25/bxWWGspTsLD3YHbzKnG6pOcL5OPIRbv66xAAUR ]tCdQYXVsIEJyYWRsZXkgPHBhdWxAZmF0bWFucy5kZW1vbi5jby51az6JAJUDBRAy ]NwfvNkCBjDT0xHEBATQPA/9TORmN/UjNecj03q4anpvdyCLiez5sKuNbnYK50RiP ]Jj4QpWWvST3smyQ0A86DrZY/re056MXwQmARESx0rFZxdnD0oORICl5r8dJLIy3b ]j8rbA5olXwZwKz73/X5s13v/pvHYX4cIsbVK8NHXqh5llSKt6TBAuGgkIGF29z5k ]C4kAlQMFEDI3B9mdtf/umVkv7QEBcRYD/1FBteLqsUmr81euxqqnnrpLlyHb58B/ ]9sdATuua4uSjX46hXDZ264YozspNrzSB4NEdrmXOWVX3fiE0ga6XkSSkIeF23V90 ]En37Z0BdbFzgF00FRYTFyTq8eezQrdg/+rBPUsZUmG5wpq3e12FKHQsX01i+1mB2 ]YmqqwCV5e95eiQCVAgUQMh8uSb5OPIRbv66xAQEqJwP/fxQyiCasjFcbDpsFfsYp ]put5cCC/9pOx6X3DlbKShPMpUOS+A9HsTEmJQN8Iawv1nSwPdtc2cR/GhW6ilVjW ]LSloGdMVLabm9pGpZZMkRaZlXFUkOv7VhfgsUiL+vIDryBCAwUZCzQiWycjt/cPi ]mUqFH41Z7NkyO8ZFdi5GGX0= ]=CMZA ]- -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- ] ] ] ]-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- ]Version: 2.6.3ia ]Charset: cp850 ] ]iQCVAwUBMkzuH75OPIRbv66xAQHSmQQAqw0F/lIsCcQwOpiSQDx4hMqOVVUVXbyR ]3RMWY20ECE0TpAtJ6hkAiqphsWUSBqiFj2kGHMh+jHSHXIMPF+m1qtwVbgutJC7B ]8VYWj0VP+bGu5dEUisLrVHDNj5ucEIDyK2GnqObiCiKARFUbOuZnMQOp9TDJqibh ]2Wqa5+h8R7g= ]=/M2U ]-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ] ] Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security ] Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk ] Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org ] Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ ] Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 ] "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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European Censorship Proposals
by E. Allen Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> _________________________________________________________________ > Centura > _________________________________________________________________ > EURO-COMMISSION TO TACKLE PORN ON INTERNET > __________________________________________________________________________ > Copyright &copy 1996 Nando.net > Copyright &copy 1996 Reuter Information Service > BRUSSELS (Sep 24, 1996 08:06 a.m. EDT) - The European Commission, > faced with calls to clamp down on use of the Internet to transmit > pornography following a Belgian paedophilia scandal, will take a first > step in October towards seeing how it can be done. > But Culture Commissioner Marcelino Oreja, who intends to unveil a > discussion paper on new media services on October 9, says that the > process will be a lengthy one in consultation with all concerned and > that at the end of the day a world solution could be needed. [...] > "We have to find mechanisms to see first how we can find the author > who includes this pornography in the Internet and second how we can > encrypt the content of these messages," he said. > The call for a European-wide solution to pornography and paedophilia > on the Internet is expected to be a central theme for EU justice > ministers in Dublin on Thursday and Friday when they discuss ways of > fighting the child sex trade. > EU culture ministers could also discuss it at their own meeting in the > Irish town of Galway on Wednesday. > The discovery of four murdered girls in Belgium and a child murder, > prostitution and pornography ring has focused the world's attention on > the child sex trade and fuelled calls for a clamp down on the > Internet, which at the moment is little policed and where anonymity is > assured. > Oreja said among the options raised in the discussion paper were the > possibility of encrypting access so that only those who pay could see > the material, or including a special computer chip -- commonly known > as a V-chip -- to screen against pornographic content. The obvious solution to this is someone in an unregulated country getting a couple chips or programs for the de-encryption, then making the images/text/whatever freely available. The major hurdles for this are A. digital watermarking to see which chip(s) are used then block their ability to be used (a reason to get more than one chip/program so as to compare to filter out the watermarking - some techniques for watermarking will survive this, but most won't) and B. copyright laws in the countries which do not enforce such provisions. [...] > Oreja, aware that Internet servers can simply move to a neighbouring > country to get round any restrictions agreed at European level, said > problems with satellite television had shown that national and > European regulations were not enough. > "We know that national regulation is not enough, that European > regulation is not enough...We may need to have a world regulation of > these matters, but let's go step by step. We do not have a European > regulation," he said. If they seriously think this will happen, they need to take another look at the international situation. > The idea of a professional code of ethics in which the media would > regulate themselves is acknowledgment that European regulation of the > Internet could face opposition on freedom of information grounds. > "I think everything can not be said. I think that violence can have > its limits, I think that pornography can have its limits. I am in > favour of that, but it can be that the sector itself prepares a code > of ethics," he said. That's funny, if I were in favor of any censorship it would be of government propaganda such as this.... they seem to be calling for violence on a rather frequent basis. > He said such a code could help get round wide differences between EU > member countries, who have widely differing laws on what can be > considered pornography and eroticism. > Copyright &copy 1996 Nando.net

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Re: The Petaflops Boondoggle Computer (was PET_ard)
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:16 PM 9/29/96 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: >At 11:50 AM -0800 9/29/96, jim bell wrote: >>At 10:00 AM 9/29/96 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: >>>(Hoist by their own petards indeed! Don't tell our Russian what petard >>>means.) >> >>Uh, wasn't that the name of the bald captain on Star Trek Next Generation? >>You know, "Jean-Luc Petard"? > >Picard. I forgot the smiley B^) >> The succeeding >>factor-of-1000 improvement appears (if the item above is accurate) to have >>taken 24 years to accomplish, so it's hard to imagine that the next factor >>of 1000 will arrive appreciably sooner than year 2020. > >I agree. (Actually, it was a factor of 4000 since it was only 64 processors, but who's counting?) Anyway, this reminds me: What was Moore's law? Performance doubling every 18 months as I recall? How does this stack up? Well, 24 years is 16 times 18 months, so the increase in performance should have been 2**16, or 64K. Off by a factor of 16, which is fairly close, as exponential expansions go. If I were inclined to make the numbers fit the theory, I would argue that the design for the Illiac IV was probably based on SSI IC technology that was defined in 1966 or so, which would provide the extra 6 years (four doubling periods) which account for the "error." One of the advantages of modern CAD technology is that chips can go from foundry to a working computer far faster. A few months ago, there was an item about how IBM had demonstrated its ability to produce 0.08 um silicon chips, with a gate delay (don't recall how loaded this was...) of about 24 picoseconds. Such a process could probably be used to produce a single chip that can do about 1 giga operations per second, assuming it was pipelined adequately. But even that's "only" a teraflop with 1000 such chips...It makes me wonder what kind of a rabbit they're gonna pull out of the hat to produce a petaflop. >By the way, I knew some of the folks who worked on parts of the >Illiac-IV, which was still limping along as late as the late 70s (maybe >later). I think it was turned off in about 1982 or 1983. I did a web-search on its history a few months ago. >>Yet a look at Intel's pricing for Pentiums shows that they sell a 120-MHz >>chip for about $135, while they sell a 200-megahertz version for around $550 >>or so. Arithmetic suggests that a person would be far better off with a >>4-120-MHz-processor Pentium (cumulative clock rate 480 MHz) than a single, >>200-megahertz version. (admittedly, peripheral logic costs will adjust this >>a little.) Of course, this would also leave Intel flat on its ass >>attempting to compete with AMD, Cyrix, etc, because a somewhat higher speed >>per cpu is just about the only advantage they have. > >Intel is having no problem at all competing with AMD and Cyrix! Both of >them are struggling---AMD just announced a layoff, and Cyrix is facing >financial troubles. Neither are able to make competitive parts, for reasons >I won't go into here, and neither are making the money they'll need to >compete in the future with Intel. (Intel has half a dozen billion-dollar >wafer fabs, running with extraordinarily high yields--so my sources tell me >:-})--and the more money they make, the more factories they build, the more >they learn about how to make 0.35 and 0.25 micron chips, etc.) True, but the world would be FAR better off if the architecture for the commonly-used PC could be extended to allow multiple processors. Yes, I'm aware of the inefficiency issues associated with multiple processors, but I think the dramatic cost reductions associated with the use of larger numbers of cheaper CPU's would much more than compensate for them. As I see it, there are inefficiencies associated with both making a single CPU do multiple tasks, as well as making multiple CPU's do a single task. The former is one of the reasons that PC's have pretty much mopped the floor with mainframes, because the PC's were not "unfairly" hobbled with having to implement complicated time-sharing software. The latter is the classic problem which kept prople from going to massively parallel machines from scalars. However, I don't think that most of the problems a typical PC accomplishes are those "hard to divide" problems that resist parallel implementation. Rather, a multiprocessor PC would assign larger tasks (programs) to individual CPU's and not try to break up a program. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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More on European Censorship
by E. Allen Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> _________________________________________________________________ > webslingerZ > _________________________________________________________________ > EU TO ACT AGAINST INTERNET CHILD EXPLOITATION > __________________________________________________________________________ > Copyright &copy 1996 Nando.net > Copyright &copy 1996 Reuter Information Service > BRUSSELS (Sep 29, 1996 00:12 a.m. EDT) - European Union > telecommunications ministers, reacting to a child-sex scandal in > Belgium, pledged Friday to consider ways to keep illegal material that > could harm children off the Internet. > Belgian Telecommunications Minister Elio Di Rupo announced that his > government planned to implement new measures requiring Internet access > providers to monitor and report material featuring sexual abuse or > exploitation of children. > He asked his colleagues to join forces with him. > "Today a big legal vacuum exists, for legislation is falling behind > technological evolution," he said, according to a speaking note that > was distributed to reporters. > "There is a big risk that it will create an enormous market of > children fed on by criminals." Market? Wider distribution of such pictures will lead to _decreased_ production, for the simple reason that the producers won't be able to go to courts for stopping copyright violations, so they can't make any money. > The ministers agreed to expand a working party that has already been > set up to look at the question of illegal material on the Internet and > asked it to come up with concrete proposals before they meet again in > November. > The group will include representatives of the 15 EU telecoms > ministries and of companies that provide access to online services or > prepare the content, a statement adopted by the ministers said. [...] > But some of the telecoms ministers, including those from Britain and > Sweden, warned that the EU could not wander into censorship and had to > focus on fighting truly illegal material. > British Science and Technology Minister Ian Taylor advocated a > self-regulatory system that was announced in his country earlier this > week. > Two British trade associations announced that an independent body, the > Safety Net Foundation, would be established to rate material carried > on the Internet and to set up a "hotline" service to receive > complaints about illegal material. > They said Internet service providers would also adopt policies for > removing illegal material and reducing the scope for subscribers to > act with untraceable anonymity. I suspect that any anonymous remailers operating in Britain may want to look out for ISP interruptions... > Swedish Communications Minister Ines Uusmann told reporters that EU > countries needed to exchange ideas and to speak with one voice in > tackling a global problem. [...] > Copyright &copy 1996 Nando.net

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Re: Utah as a Religious Police State
by Ryan Russell/SYBASE 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hmm...never heard that one before. Care to produce a reference? (Or am I supposed to be ignoring this guy when he makes ridiculous claims?) Ryan ---------- Previous Message ---------- To: cypherpunks cc: From: dlv @ bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) @ smtp Date: 09/29/96 05:54:09 PM Subject: Re: Utah as a Religious Police State Ryan Russell/SYBASE writes: > I guess that depends on your definition of liberty. The Mormons > originally moved there to have a place to practice their religion, > and have freedom from persecution. I suppose one could extend that > to wanting a place to have the freedom to have a set of rules consistant > with their beliefs. Should that include freedom from interferance from > folks such as yourself who want to change their rules, even though > you're not presently effected? It's worth noting that one of Utah mormons favorite pastimes was to ambush the settlers heading for California, kill them all, and take their property. However the mormons were dealt with much less severely than the local Indians who tried the same tricks. Pity. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Utah as a Religious Police State
by Ryan Russell/SYBASE 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Yes, my mail gateway sometimes does rude things to the mail headers...Just ignore it :) Anyway, you mave have a clear cut line between who gets to control kids, but I think it may not be so clear as you make it out to be. Why should you be able to say what times you kids have to come in? Why should you be able to limit their civil liberties? Because you are the parent? Why should that be any better reason than because they're the government? Is it your God-given right as a parent? (Don't answer that, I don't even want to start on religion with this crowd..) Conversly, if you think a parent has the right, why shouldn't a group of parents (who agree) be able to set some rules? Why not a town? These were originally nearly all-Mormon areas...Why shouldn't they be allowed their rules just because a non-Mormon chooses to move in? One might argue "if you don't like the rules, don't live there." I suppose you aren't familiar with the rules for participating in church activities, or attending BYU. The rules are generally very simple, live by the Mormon standards, or don't participate. So, that means that students at BYU can't smoke, drink, etc... So is the line between "public" and "private"? i.e. if BYU were an even partially publically funded school, they shouldn't be allowed to have any but the lowest-common-denominator rules? That sounds overly arbitrary to me, and doesn't appeal to the spark on libertarian I have :) Seriously, since laws are all based on a publically held set of morals, why shouldn't some places be able to have a higher set of standards than others. I think that's part of the arguement for state's rights. After all, we allow a lower than normal set of standards (Nevada.) Ryan ---------- Previous Message ---------- To: cypherpunks cc: cypherpunks From: tcmay @ got.net ("Timothy C. May") @ smtp Date: 09/29/96 01:17:46 PM Subject: Re: Utah as a Religious Police State (I received this message, with "cypherpunks(a)sybase.com" as well as "tcmay(a)sybase.com" (???) cc:ed, so I assume this message was intended for the Cypherpunks list, with some sybase domain name weirdness, or reflector, going on.) At 12:30 PM -0400 9/29/96, Ryan Russell/SYBASE wrote: >I guess that depends on your definition of liberty. The Mormons >originally moved there to have a place to practice their religion, >and have freedom from persecution. I suppose one could extend that >to wanting a place to have the freedom to have a set of rules consistant >with their beliefs. Should that include freedom from interferance from >folks such as yourself who want to change their rules, even though >you're not presently effected? Well, if Utah can rig a way to _secede_ from the Union, your arguments would make more sense. But so long as they are part of these United States, their religious beliefs about when children should be at home cannot supersede basic liberties. (There are some thorny issues about whether _minors_ have full civil rights. But I certainly know that _my_ civil rights are being affected when my children are not allowed on the streets after some hour. If my child is out, this is my problem. I neither want cops to stop-and-detain my children, nor do I want my tax monies to be used to control the behavior of other people's children. Providing no crimes are being committed, curfews for the sake of controlling the behavior of children are no more just than would be a bunch of related behavior control laws, e.g., a ban on comic books, a mandate that all children join after-school youth leagues, etc.) As for "changing their rules," you're missing the point. There are presumably many in Utah who believe as I do (maybe even some Mormons). Those who are living in Utah, as renters, owners, whatever, should not be bound by unconstitutional rules, no matter how many Mormon Elders favor them. Unless the Mormons own _all_ of the property (and maybe not even then, as renters have civil rights), they cannot impose their own notions of morality on the rest of the population, except in compelling cases (e.g., involving the well-known actual _crimes_). I don't mean to pick on Mormons, as other communities have also attempted to impose curfews and other restricitions on the children of others. My ire was raised by Attila's enthusiastic support for laws which no freedom-loving person should be enthusiastic about. Again, I have no problem with Attila restricting his own children's movements, or joining with other parents to control the behavior of their _own_ children, via religious camps, religious schools, youth leagues, etc. He can even make his own kids wear funny uniforms, funny religious hats, whatever. But, for example, tellling _me_ when _my_ children may be out on public streets (doing nothing illegal, neither robbing nor spray-painting nor committing any other real crimes) is unacceptable. I urge Attila (and others) to rethink enthusiastic support for curfews. --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: GPS [MARGINAL, at best]
by P. J. Ponder 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There was an article in _Scientific American_ February 1996 about GPS. I couldn't find the magazine, but they had this squib on the www.sciam.com website: The Global Positioning System Thomas A. Herring Two dozen satellites hovering thousands of miles up can locate your position on the earth's surface to within a few centimeters. Originally constructed for military applications, this network of space beacons today finds civilian applications--such as landing airplanes in fog--that demand accuracy beyond what its designers had thought would be technically possible. According to the website, there was also a letter in the June 1996 issue responding to Herrings article. Here it is: MILITARY ADVANTAGE I was pleased when I first saw your February article "The Global Positioning System," by Thomas A. Herring. As developers and operators of GPS, we in the Department of Defense and our partners in industry are justifiably proud of the technology. GPS represents the best of American scientific and technical ingenuity as well as being an excellent example of cooperation between the military and civilian sectors. But after reading the entire article, I was disappointed by its unbalanced discussion of the national security aspects of GPS. Yes, the Defense Department does operate GPS with unpopular security features. But these features were not designed to inconvenience the peaceful users of the system, as Herring implies. Rather they were designed to provide U.S. and allied forces with a crucial military edge. Furthermore, the Defense Department is well aware that the security aspects of GPS are an additional burden for many users. And while we believe such measures are still needed at this time to help preserve our military advantage, we have set a goal of discontinuing regular use of the feature known as Selective Availability, the component that degrades GPS accuracy, within a decade. Both time and resources are needed to replace the advantages Selective Availability provides. In light of the revolutionary contributions of GPS to both military and commercial enterprise, Herring could have portrayed the technology in a more evenhanded manner. PAUL G. KAMINSKI Under Secretary Department of Defense -- end of quoted material -- The article, as I recall, was about ways in which civilian users have found, or are finding, ways around the built-in inaccuarcy of the GPS. I don't recall whether crypto was mentioned in the article. My recollection of it was that they had been diddling with the timers or the clock signal or something, as opposed to encrypting anything. But then again it has been a while, and my memory of it isn't too clear. I seem to remember another crypto scheme discussed here at length about GPS, based on a paper by Dr. Dorothy [?] Denning, which involved having the intended recipient's coordinates - which were somehow involved in the encryption. The coordinates are in 3-D. Spheres centered on three of the GPS satellites intersect within a very small space. -- public service announcement: ------------------------------------------------------------- To remove yourself from the cypherpunks mailing list send to: majordomo(a)toad.com a message that contains the text: unsubscribe cypherpunks in the body of the message, not the subject line. --------------------------------------------------------------

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