December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Bernstein hearing: The Press Release
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:24 PM 9/21/96 -0800, Jim Bell wrote: >At 11:30 PM 9/21/96 -0400, Mark M. wrote: >>I believe there is one section in the Constitution that says that speech >>harmful to national security is not protected under the 1st amendment. >I can't think of what portion of the Constitution you're referring to. But >chances are, somebody else will see this reference and comment. The First Amendment does not contain the phrase "national security" anywhere in it. It does, however, begin with a rather explicit "Congress shall make no law" which it applies to a bunch of things. However, the body of the Constitution does say there should be a Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court has (fairly reasonably) given itself the job of deciding what's Constitutional and what's not. The Supremes have, over the years, made a bunch of generally outrageous decisions about what kinds of speech are protected by the First Amendment and what kinds aren't, though their opinions have been gradually improving since some of the really appalling ones earlier in the century. By the way, alt.federal.judge.bork.bork.bork has recently come out with a book in which he discusses issues like censorship. He's in favor of it. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> # You can get PGP software outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto

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Re: Going AP Shit on the Internet
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Black Art wrote: > At 06:22 PM 9/21/96 -0700, Dale Thorn wrote: > >[more examples of "why it wouldn't work" deleted] > >This is like Buliosi hyping his superior strategy all over TV (at > >least > >he had the decency to say the jury was basically honest). It's still > >strategy, folks. It doesn't say anything about the people's right to > >have more control over what is already happening. I just wish > >entities like Black Art would say "I'm doing all I possibly can to > >make sure the people DO get involved when govt. *decides* to murder > >someone". Then, entities like Black Art wouldn't be able to stand > >back in their righteousness and say that they're NOT responsible for > >what their govts. do. > What do you mean "when"? Government murders people all the time. As > for when you will find out about it... Most of the time, you will > not. Governments have gotten very good at hiding their crimes. Either > by orders of secrecy, appeals to patriotism, or doing it out of view > of the general public. > I realize my limitations in taking on an enitity as large as Uncle > Sugar. I do what I can to foil his plans (which is not much), but I do > not believe for a moment that he actually listens to the cries of the > peasants unless he wants to. Government is like a servant. He > wanders about your house at > all hours. Sneeks up on you when you are not looking. And will slip > something nasty into your drink if you become too much of a pain and > beleive that they will benifit by your death. > Governments are groups of individuals. Since they are not me, I have > no responsibility over their actions. (Any more than I have over > yours.) > Are you responsible for what your government does? Can we hold you > accountable for them? Punish you for those crimes? > I didn't think so. I'm hearing even more strategy, it would seem. I don't see the relevance of how govt. behaves (i.e., like a bad uncle who hangs around too long and molests the kids, etc.) to who's responsible. If you live in the U.S., that govt. is your agent, carrying out your representatives' instructions, and paid with your tax dollars. Unless and until this becomes a literal dictatorship (and there is a valid argument that it applies even then), you are responsible for whatever your paid agents do, from the street cop to the top politico. It's too bad your fellow citizens shirk their duty and watch TV instead, but issuing the above kinds of denial doesn't take the blood off of your hands or mine. Now maybe it would take God (for example) to judge whether you, I, or Joe Blow is more guilty, for lack of participation or some other citizen crime, but you can't put all the blame on your hired agents for their crimes, when you know very well what kinds of things they do, and you continue to fund them. You have to be considered an accessory, at least.

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A daily word of caution regarding Tim C[ocksucker] May
by nobody＠cypherpunks.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

`A pen is mightier than a sword', not to mention Tim C[ocksucker] May's pea-sized penis. He would be better served by a safety razor, possibly applied in a bathtub filled with warm water (something he has surely never been into).

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Re: Timmy May's spam (Was: Re: CIA hacked)
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:55 AM 9/22/96 EDT, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM frothed: > I'm not "worried", since Timmy May has already earned the reputation of a > nutcase and a liar in these circles, Back to the kill file. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: timmy waxes a widdle on AP
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:05 AM 9/22/96 EDT, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: >I was reading the other day about the lessons learned from the one-time >tax refund in 1975. Most consumers realized that this is a one-time deal >and saved most of it, rather than spent it. On the other hand, after Reagan's >tax cuts the consumers spent much of their newly retained income because they >believed that the lower tax rate would continue for a few years. > >Likewise once an occasional gubment official in Mexico is assassinated >often enough for the population to perceive public service as being a >hazardous profession, they'll have trouble recruiting the replacements. >Assassinations won't work as long as they're perceived by the public as >zero-probability events. The public perception depends on other factors >besides the numbers or the frequency of the hits. That's generally correct. The "they'll just hire replacements" argument is given by people who don't understand that under full operation of AP, THINGS WILL CHANGE! And once things start changing, they will change very rapidly. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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WEB_spy
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

9-22-96. WaPo: "In California, Creating a Web of the Past" Brewster Kahle's massive data-collection devices and programmed computers are surfing and saving everything they can find on the global computer network. At the end of this year that then will be updated as fast as his computers can do their vacuum cleaning, likely every few months. But the project also has piqued the interest of privacy rights advocates and copyright lawyers, who question how the archive will use its data. "I'm dealing with every single intellectual property issue out there," Kahle said. "Privacy, copyright, pornography, import-export -- we've got it all." He is forming a for-profit venture that will sell the Web searching and storing technology developed at the archives. Researchers from AT&T Corp. and Xerox Corp. have asked to study the archive. ----- http://jya.com/webspy.txt (7 kb) WEB_spy

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Continuing spam from Timmy May (or one of his clones)
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here's today's sample. I'm becoming more convinced that it's Timmy May him/her/ itself, since he/she/it complains about being called Timmy. Can someone please take a look at the headers and see if they appear to be forged from got.net? ]From paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Sun Sep 22 10:59:25 1996 ]Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) ] via UUCP; Sun, 22 Sep 96 11:03:58 EDT ] for dlv ]Received: from uumx.smtp.psi.net by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; ] id AA19743 for dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com; Sun, 22 Sep 96 10:59:25 -0400 ]Received: from relay-2.mail.demon.net by uumx.smtp.psi.net (8.6.12/SMI-4.1.3-PSI) ] id KAA19486; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 10:59:00 -0400 ]From: paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk ]Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([(null)]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id ac22319; ] 22 Sep 96 15:23 BST ]Received: from fatmans.demon.co.uk ([158.152.120.223]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net ] id aa17044; 22 Sep 96 15:19 BST ]Received: from fatmans.demon.co.uk by fatmans.demon.co.uk with SMTP ] id AA843329591 ; Sat, 21 Sep 96 18:13:11 +0000 ]Comments: Authenticated sender is <paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> ]To: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> ]Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 18:13:06 +0000 ]Mime-Version: 1.0 ]Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII ]Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT ]Subject: Re: CIA hacked ]Priority: normal ]X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) ]Message-Id: <843401964.17044.0(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> ] ] ]His name is Tim, or maybe you never learnt proper manners. ] ] ]> You are confused. The above question was e-mailed to me by one of Timmy May's ]> friends. I just forward their e-mail to this mailing list. I don't read it. ]> If you have any comments about Timmy May's friends not knowing English, ]> trying to insult people, and posting non-crypto-relevant political rants, ]> address them to Timmy May and his friends. ]> ]> --- ]> ]> Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM ]> Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps ]> ] ] Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security ] Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk ] Http://www.fatmans.demon.co.uk/crypt/ ] "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey" ] ]-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- ]Version: 2.6.3ia ] ]mQCNAjH9j+cAAAEEAMBvREiQR0ot9dFCO0TiSCSunAYLv2g1Bc6I3bz8FzKXNH53 ]6mieJf/W4rD+CxJpT0q9RQaaoRtkHJLwbjfK2il3D7mEahMAyqvF/xRJNqkXfhM3 ]sRJM0Jh43l+W0M5vwokbEbk25/bxWWGspTsLD3YHbzKnG6pOcL5OPIRbv66xAAUR ]tCdQYXVsIEJyYWRsZXkgPHBhdWxAZmF0bWFucy5kZW1vbi5jby51az6JAJUDBRAy ]NwfvNkCBjDT0xHEBATQPA/9TORmN/UjNecj03q4anpvdyCLiez5sKuNbnYK50RiP ]Jj4QpWWvST3smyQ0A86DrZY/re056MXwQmARESx0rFZxdnD0oORICl5r8dJLIy3b ]j8rbA5olXwZwKz73/X5s13v/pvHYX4cIsbVK8NHXqh5llSKt6TBAuGgkIGF29z5k ]C4kAlQMFEDI3B9mdtf/umVkv7QEBcRYD/1FBteLqsUmr81euxqqnnrpLlyHb58B/ ]9sdATuua4uSjX46hXDZ264YozspNrzSB4NEdrmXOWVX3fiE0ga6XkSSkIeF23V90 ]En37Z0BdbFzgF00FRYTFyTq8eezQrdg/+rBPUsZUmG5wpq3e12FKHQsX01i+1mB2 ]YmqqwCV5e95eiQCVAgUQMh8uSb5OPIRbv66xAQEqJwP/fxQyiCasjFcbDpsFfsYp ]put5cCC/9pOx6X3DlbKShPMpUOS+A9HsTEmJQN8Iawv1nSwPdtc2cR/GhW6ilVjW ]LSloGdMVLabm9pGpZZMkRaZlXFUkOv7VhfgsUiL+vIDryBCAwUZCzQiWycjt/cPi ]mUqFH41Z7NkyO8ZFdi5GGX0= ]=CMZA ]-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Here the Timmy May clone comments on his own previous e-mail to me: ]From paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Sun Sep 22 10:22:38 1996 ]Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) ] via UUCP; Sun, 22 Sep 96 11:03:51 EDT ] for dlv ]Received: from disperse.demon.co.uk by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; ] id AA18447 for dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com; Sun, 22 Sep 96 10:22:38 -0400 ]Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([(null)]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id ac21657; ] 22 Sep 96 15:21 BST ]Received: from fatmans.demon.co.uk ([158.152.120.223]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net ] id aa17072; 22 Sep 96 15:19 BST ]Received: from fatmans.demon.co.uk by fatmans.demon.co.uk with SMTP ] id AA843327445 ; Sat, 21 Sep 96 17:37:25 +0000 ]Comments: Authenticated sender is <paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> ]From: paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk ]To: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> ]Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 17:37:23 +0000 ]Mime-Version: 1.0 ]Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII ]Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT ]Subject: Re: CIA hacked ]Priority: normal ]X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) ]Message-Id: <843401979.17072.0(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> ] ]> >Dr. John M. Grubor created the 'net. ]> ]> Who created you? You tub of shit? ] ] ]Fuck you and fuck your cheap ass fucked up life motherfucker (look ]for the fuck redundancy index here, should be an interesting figure, ]motherfucker) ] ]good day to you ] ] ] ] Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security ] Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk ] Http://www.fatmans.demon.co.uk/crypt/ ] "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey" ] ]-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- ]Version: 2.6.3ia ] ]mQCNAjH9j+cAAAEEAMBvREiQR0ot9dFCO0TiSCSunAYLv2g1Bc6I3bz8FzKXNH53 ]6mieJf/W4rD+CxJpT0q9RQaaoRtkHJLwbjfK2il3D7mEahMAyqvF/xRJNqkXfhM3 ]sRJM0Jh43l+W0M5vwokbEbk25/bxWWGspTsLD3YHbzKnG6pOcL5OPIRbv66xAAUR ]tCdQYXVsIEJyYWRsZXkgPHBhdWxAZmF0bWFucy5kZW1vbi5jby51az6JAJUDBRAy ]NwfvNkCBjDT0xHEBATQPA/9TORmN/UjNecj03q4anpvdyCLiez5sKuNbnYK50RiP ]Jj4QpWWvST3smyQ0A86DrZY/re056MXwQmARESx0rFZxdnD0oORICl5r8dJLIy3b ]j8rbA5olXwZwKz73/X5s13v/pvHYX4cIsbVK8NHXqh5llSKt6TBAuGgkIGF29z5k ]C4kAlQMFEDI3B9mdtf/umVkv7QEBcRYD/1FBteLqsUmr81euxqqnnrpLlyHb58B/ ]9sdATuua4uSjX46hXDZ264YozspNrzSB4NEdrmXOWVX3fiE0ga6XkSSkIeF23V90 ]En37Z0BdbFzgF00FRYTFyTq8eezQrdg/+rBPUsZUmG5wpq3e12FKHQsX01i+1mB2 ]YmqqwCV5e95eiQCVAgUQMh8uSb5OPIRbv66xAQEqJwP/fxQyiCasjFcbDpsFfsYp ]put5cCC/9pOx6X3DlbKShPMpUOS+A9HsTEmJQN8Iawv1nSwPdtc2cR/GhW6ilVjW ]LSloGdMVLabm9pGpZZMkRaZlXFUkOv7VhfgsUiL+vIDryBCAwUZCzQiWycjt/cPi ]mUqFH41Z7NkyO8ZFdi5GGX0= ]=CMZA ]-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- ]From paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Sun Sep 22 10:23:35 1996 ]Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) ] via UUCP; Sun, 22 Sep 96 11:03:52 EDT ] for dlv ]Received: from disperse.demon.co.uk by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; ] id AA18472 for dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com; Sun, 22 Sep 96 10:23:35 -0400 ]Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([(null)]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id ae22319; ] 22 Sep 96 15:23 BST ]Received: from fatmans.demon.co.uk ([158.152.120.223]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net ] id aa17051; 22 Sep 96 15:19 BST ]Received: from fatmans.demon.co.uk by fatmans.demon.co.uk with SMTP ] id AA843329594 ; Sat, 21 Sep 96 18:13:14 +0000 ]Comments: Authenticated sender is <paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> ]From: paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk ]To: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> ]Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 18:13:06 +0000 ]Mime-Version: 1.0 ]Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII ]Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT ]Subject: Re: Re: CIA hacked ]Priority: normal ]X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) ]Message-Id: <843401966.17051.0(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> ] ] ]This is a further post following an earlier flame: ] ]> You are being flamed because. ]> ]> [X] you continued a boring useless stupid thread ]> [ ] you repeatedly posted to the same thread that you just posted to ]> [x] you repeatedly initiated incoherent, flaky, and mindless threads ]> [ ] you posted a piece riddled with profanities ]> [ ] you advocated Net censorship ]> [ ] you SCREAMED! (used all caps) ]> [x] you posted some sort of crap that doesn't belong in this group ]> [ ] you posted the inanely stupid 'Make Money Fast' article ]> [ ] you threatened others with physical harm ]> [x] you made a bigoted statement(s) ]> [x] you repeatedly assumed unwarranted moral or intellectual superiority ]> [x] you are under the misapprehension that this list is your preserve ]> [ ] you repeatedly shown lack of humor ]> [ ] you are apparently under compulsion to post to every thread ]> [x] you are posting an anonymous attack ]> ]> >>> Thank you for the time you have taken to read this. Live n' Learn.<<< ] ]Furthermore, you qualify as the celebrity fuckhead of the week, have ]a nice day. ] ] ] Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security ] Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk ] Http://www.fatmans.demon.co.uk/crypt/ ] "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey" ] ]-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- ]Version: 2.6.3ia ] ]mQCNAjH9j+cAAAEEAMBvREiQR0ot9dFCO0TiSCSunAYLv2g1Bc6I3bz8FzKXNH53 ]6mieJf/W4rD+CxJpT0q9RQaaoRtkHJLwbjfK2il3D7mEahMAyqvF/xRJNqkXfhM3 ]sRJM0Jh43l+W0M5vwokbEbk25/bxWWGspTsLD3YHbzKnG6pOcL5OPIRbv66xAAUR ]tCdQYXVsIEJyYWRsZXkgPHBhdWxAZmF0bWFucy5kZW1vbi5jby51az6JAJUDBRAy ]NwfvNkCBjDT0xHEBATQPA/9TORmN/UjNecj03q4anpvdyCLiez5sKuNbnYK50RiP ]Jj4QpWWvST3smyQ0A86DrZY/re056MXwQmARESx0rFZxdnD0oORICl5r8dJLIy3b ]j8rbA5olXwZwKz73/X5s13v/pvHYX4cIsbVK8NHXqh5llSKt6TBAuGgkIGF29z5k ]C4kAlQMFEDI3B9mdtf/umVkv7QEBcRYD/1FBteLqsUmr81euxqqnnrpLlyHb58B/ ]9sdATuua4uSjX46hXDZ264YozspNrzSB4NEdrmXOWVX3fiE0ga6XkSSkIeF23V90 ]En37Z0BdbFzgF00FRYTFyTq8eezQrdg/+rBPUsZUmG5wpq3e12FKHQsX01i+1mB2 ]YmqqwCV5e95eiQCVAgUQMh8uSb5OPIRbv66xAQEqJwP/fxQyiCasjFcbDpsFfsYp ]put5cCC/9pOx6X3DlbKShPMpUOS+A9HsTEmJQN8Iawv1nSwPdtc2cR/GhW6ilVjW ]LSloGdMVLabm9pGpZZMkRaZlXFUkOv7VhfgsUiL+vIDryBCAwUZCzQiWycjt/cPi ]mUqFH41Z7NkyO8ZFdi5GGX0= ]=CMZA ]-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- ]From paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Sun Sep 22 10:51:12 1996 ]Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) ] via UUCP; Sun, 22 Sep 96 11:03:58 EDT for dlv ]Received: from disperse.demon.co.uk by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; ] id AA19533 for dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com; Sun, 22 Sep 96 10:51:12 -0400 ]Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([(null)]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id ad22319; ] 22 Sep 96 15:23 BST ]Received: from fatmans.demon.co.uk ([158.152.120.223]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net ] id aa17045; 22 Sep 96 15:19 BST ]Received: from fatmans.demon.co.uk by fatmans.demon.co.uk with SMTP ] id AA843329593 ; Sat, 21 Sep 96 18:13:13 +0000 ]Comments: Authenticated sender is <paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> ]From: paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk ]To: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> ]Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 18:13:06 +0000 ]Mime-Version: 1.0 ]Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII ]Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT ]Subject: Re: Dimitri Spams ]Priority: normal ]X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) ]Message-Id: <843401965.17045.0(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> ] ] ]Killifiling you would be a pleasure, however, it is an even greater ]pleasure to be able to flame you because of your worthless posts, ]this is probably why he didn`t... ] ]Get a life. ] ] ]> > Dimitri, get a life! We need Dimitri Spams as much as we needed ]> > Perrygrams. Which is to say, we need them not at all! ]> ]> I see you lied when you claimed to have killfiled me. ]> ]> --- ]> ]> Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM ]> Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps ]> ] ] Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security ] Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk ] Http://www.fatmans.demon.co.uk/crypt/ ] "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey" ] ]-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- ]Version: 2.6.3ia ] ]mQCNAjH9j+cAAAEEAMBvREiQR0ot9dFCO0TiSCSunAYLv2g1Bc6I3bz8FzKXNH53 ]6mieJf/W4rD+CxJpT0q9RQaaoRtkHJLwbjfK2il3D7mEahMAyqvF/xRJNqkXfhM3 ]sRJM0Jh43l+W0M5vwokbEbk25/bxWWGspTsLD3YHbzKnG6pOcL5OPIRbv66xAAUR ]tCdQYXVsIEJyYWRsZXkgPHBhdWxAZmF0bWFucy5kZW1vbi5jby51az6JAJUDBRAy ]NwfvNkCBjDT0xHEBATQPA/9TORmN/UjNecj03q4anpvdyCLiez5sKuNbnYK50RiP ]Jj4QpWWvST3smyQ0A86DrZY/re056MXwQmARESx0rFZxdnD0oORICl5r8dJLIy3b ]j8rbA5olXwZwKz73/X5s13v/pvHYX4cIsbVK8NHXqh5llSKt6TBAuGgkIGF29z5k ]C4kAlQMFEDI3B9mdtf/umVkv7QEBcRYD/1FBteLqsUmr81euxqqnnrpLlyHb58B/ ]9sdATuua4uSjX46hXDZ264YozspNrzSB4NEdrmXOWVX3fiE0ga6XkSSkIeF23V90 ]En37Z0BdbFzgF00FRYTFyTq8eezQrdg/+rBPUsZUmG5wpq3e12FKHQsX01i+1mB2 ]YmqqwCV5e95eiQCVAgUQMh8uSb5OPIRbv66xAQEqJwP/fxQyiCasjFcbDpsFfsYp ]put5cCC/9pOx6X3DlbKShPMpUOS+A9HsTEmJQN8Iawv1nSwPdtc2cR/GhW6ilVjW ]LSloGdMVLabm9pGpZZMkRaZlXFUkOv7VhfgsUiL+vIDryBCAwUZCzQiWycjt/cPi ]mUqFH41Z7NkyO8ZFdi5GGX0= ]=CMZA ]-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Going AP Shit on the Internet
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:06 AM 9/22/96 -0700, Dale Thorn wrote: >If you live >in the U.S., that govt. is your agent, carrying out your >representatives' instructions, and paid with your tax dollars. Unless >and until this becomes a literal dictatorship (and there is a valid >argument that it applies even then), you are responsible for whatever >your paid agents do, from the street cop to the top politico. >whether you, I, or Joe Blow is more guilty, for lack of participation or >some other citizen crime, but you can't put all the blame on your hired >agents for their crimes, when you know very well what kinds of things >they do, and you continue to fund them. You have to be considered an >accessory, at least. I hereby dismiss all employees of the federal, state, or local governments who may be working as my employees or agents and specifically disclaim all actions they take on my part. Note, BTW that your argument is the same as saying "If one pays taxes, one is subject to Nurenberg liability for government crimes." Which is therefore an argument in favor of tax evasion. DCF

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Re: Kill 'em and let God sort it out, was Re: The GAK Momentum is Building...
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:04 PM 9/21/96 -0700, Steve Schear wrote: >> jim bell wrote: >>Naturally, you won't even consider the possibility of going outside the >>system to solve a problem. The rest of us notice that there are probably >>thousands of terminally-ill people who would gladly act as a human kamikaze >>and get rid of any judge inclined to impose such a fine, for a payment of 1% >>of this principle amount to a family member or loved one, leaving 99% >>available for the few other judges foolish enough to basically commit >>suicide by taking up a futile gesture. >> > >If AP came to be seen as an acceptable way for business and citizens to >right egregious wrongs it would quickly lead to a 'law of the jungle' >situation, which I think any sane person would reject as the cure being >worse than the disease. Don't assume that means anything definitive, however. _SOME_ sane people are simply WRONG! Indeed, I'm fond of pointing out that 95% of the things people say are wrong about AP are, themselves, wrong. (Even by the standards of people who'd agree with their general conclusion.) Suppose I could convince you that an AP-dominated world would be, in general, far safer, better, more just, than the status quo. At that point, would you STILL say "any sane person would reject" it? Probably not. I suggest, therefore, that your statement above is based on a misunderstanding of AP. Other people, people who have thought about the matter far longer than you, agree with me. Moreover, after discussing AP with as many people as I have, it's quite predictable that a person would come to a conclusion based on a false belief. However, if governemnts (especially ours) continue >to expand their implied authority and greatly diminishing personal >liberties we all took for granted were inaliable human rights (in our own >best interest, of course), a time may come when a bit of rebellion may be >the only viable alternative for self-correction. Here's the big problem: Let's suppose you think like this. "Someday we _may_ have to rebel. Not today." Gradually, over time, the circumstances get worse. However, as surprising as it may seem, we get used to the problems, and morever a new generation of people are born who've never seen freedom. The line we draw in the sand today just appears to get further and further away. We never cross it, and thus we never rebel, no matter how bad the circumstances get. The most realistic position to take, I think, is to conclude that the line in the sand has ALREADY been crossed, long ago, and that it is high time to act. The beauty of AP is that it will allow "little revolutions" to occur daily, until they are no longer needed. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: AP [was: Re: Kiddie porn on the Internet] [NOISE]
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:32 AM 9/22/96 -0500, William H. Geiger III wrote: >In <199609220708.AAA20288(a)dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com>, on 09/22/96 at 12:09 AM, > Bill Stewart <stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com> said: >>If the US _had_ really wanted to assassinate Saddam, they could have >>hired professionals to do the job (like Mossad.) Instead they >>killed 200,000 other Iraqis, including civilians, draftees, and a >>few tens of thousands of real soldiers. > >You need to take into account the politics of the region. With Saddam gone you have >created a power vaccume that Iran would be all to happy to fill. It was for this >reason that durring the Gulf War the US & its allias (European & Arab) did not go to >Bagdad. They mearly wanted to knock Saddam down a notch or two not take him out. You're thinking like a statist. If Saddam's death leaves "a power vacuum," then simply kill the leadership of Iran, and any other nearby state with designs on the middle east. Gee, whats the problem? This "kill the leadership" system gets mighty addictive! Where will it end? Which is why it isn't started in the first place. The people who might start it are the ones with the most to lose if it spreads. That's why Saddam is alive today. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Snake-Oil FAQ
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:44 PM 9/22/96, Dale Thorn wrote: >The basic outline for any products included (and don't forget, just >getting included is some sort of endorsement, if you know what I mean) >could be a feature/bug listing, using common crypto terminology, and >could be followed by side-by-side argument paragraphs from the author >and from a reputable review panel. > >The usefulness of the list would probably depend on: >1. The participation of all those names people like to name-drop on this > forum. >2. And/or the quality of the list itself if done without (1.) above. > In this latter case, it could still be useful, but the variances in > evaluation owing to personal bias would be difficult to overcome. The Basic Problem (tm) with a "Snake Oil FAQ" is that the very persons most in need of it won't read it. If those who post descriptions of their "Unbreakable Virtual Whammo-Matic Really Complicated Transposition Cipher" have not bothered to read Schneier or other basic texts on ciphers, why would they bother to read a Snake Oil FAQ? This applies to their customers as well. It doesn't take much reading of standard crypto books to learn why historical codes and ciphers (and their reinvented modern variants) are fundamentally weak, and subject to (usually rapid) breaking with high-speed computers. Once this basic point is realized, all else follows. In other words, there is really no meaningful target audience for a Snake Oil FAQ. If it's just a quick effort, fine. But escalating it into a Major Cypherpunks Project seems like wasted effort. Just point people to Schneier's book and suggest they read and absorb the first several chapters. Then, like the infamous fisherman, they'll be equipped to understand why the Whammo-matic Really Complicated Cipher is neither Virtually Unbreakable nor worthy of spending much time analyzing, and why they should stick with modern ciphers and systems which have been subjected to years of review and attempts to break them. --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Jena Remailer
by mixmaster＠remail.obscura.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

lutz(a)as-node.jena.thur.de wrote to All: >> Also, is there any other remailer (now that anon.penet.fi is down) >> that allows one to have an anonymous address to receive >> email? l> anon(a)as-node.jena.thur.de. But it's is bit tricky. The trickiest thing about it - by far - is the inscrutable English translation of the helpfile. I have been trying for over a week to make any sense of how to use the remailer. Granted, it works differently than the other pseudonymous remailers, but the helpfile is simply impenatrable. Like many translations, it is grammatical but makes no sense in spots. >From what I can make out, this is probably a very useful and innovative remailer that I should very much like to use. Can any native English speaker please paraphrase the account start-up procedure for us? Is mixmaster(a)as-node.jena.thur.de a standard T-1/T-2 remailer? Who has the key? Fingering this account doesn't work from West Coast USA. Thanks for any help...

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[Fwd: Re: All Bets Off]
by Joel Jacobs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just got passed this, don't know the context, nor the thread. Clancy was NOT a Navy captain. He does tons of research for his books....his advisor IS a retired Navy Captain named J.M. Rodgers. How do I know? I also use Captain Rodgers as a consultant, AND, I e-mail with Clancy a couple or three times a week. BTW: I'm a retired U.S. Navy Chief Journalist. HTH. Joel Jacobs Co-author of the soon to be published, "Death Watch" >Return-Path: betsat(a)texoma.com >Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 13:22:27 -0500 >From: >To: jjacobs(a)mail.koyote.com >Subject: [Fwd: Re: All Bets Off] > >The Deviant wrote: >> >> On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Daniel Christopher Miskell wrote: >> >> > Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 11:30:32 -0400 >> > From: Daniel Christopher Miskell <DMiskell(a)envirolink.org> >> > To: Rabid Wombat <wombat(a)mcfeely.bsfs.org> >> > Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >> > Subject: Re: All Bets Off >> > >> > >On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Jeff Davis wrote: >> > > >> >> [lots of quoting rm'd] >> >> > >> > Tom Clancy is not a military-hired brain, but to make his novels realistic and >> > to do justice to the people he portrays, he does a LOT of research. He is a >> > highly respected author, and I have no doubt that his statement is based on >> > his personal findings, collected for a previous novel. >> > >> >> I beleive he was also a Capain in the Navy... >> >> --Deviant >> Old MacDonald had an agricultural real estate tax abatement. > >-- >---------------------------------- >Bernie and Shirley Taner >betsat(a)texoma.com >---------------------------------- >Path: news.texoma.com!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!newsp ump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!netnew s.com!uhog.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!ai-lab!ai-lab!not-for-mail >From: The Deviant <deviant(a)pooh-corner.com> >Newsgroups: ailab.cypherpunks >Subject: Re: All Bets Off >Date: 19 Sep 1996 20:30:11 -0400 >Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab >Lines: 26 >Sender: daemon(a)ai.mit.edu >Message-ID: <51soij$kh2(a)life.ai.mit.edu> >NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu > >On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Daniel Christopher Miskell wrote: > >> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 11:30:32 -0400 >> From: Daniel Christopher Miskell <DMiskell(a)envirolink.org> >> To: Rabid Wombat <wombat(a)mcfeely.bsfs.org> >> Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >> Subject: Re: All Bets Off >> >> >On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Jeff Davis wrote: >> > > >[lots of quoting rm'd] > >> >> Tom Clancy is not a military-hired brain, but to make his novels realistic and >> to do justice to the people he portrays, he does a LOT of research. He is a >> highly respected author, and I have no doubt that his statement is based on >> his personal findings, collected for a previous novel. >> > >I beleive he was also a Capain in the Navy... > > --Deviant >Old MacDonald had an agricultural real estate tax abatement. > > > -------------- 30 -------------- Joel Jacobs jjacobs(a)koyote.com "Most people yearn for the return to an idealized past, a past, which, in fact, never existed." Frank Herbert, "Dune"

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Re: Snake-Oil FAQ
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:48 AM 9/22/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >The Basic Problem (tm) with a "Snake Oil FAQ" is that the very persons most >in need of it won't read it. > >If those who post descriptions of their "Unbreakable Virtual Whammo-Matic >Really Complicated Transposition Cipher" have not bothered to read Schneier >or other basic texts on ciphers, why would they bother to read a Snake Oil >FAQ? This applies to their customers as well. I agree that it will no change the glorified decoder ring salesmen, but it can have a positive effect on their customers. The FAQ has the ability to reach those who would not nessisarily read Schneier or any other large tome. Most of the people outside of this forum have some understanding of cryptography. Most of that understanding is based on folklore and marketing hype. If we do not take pains to educate them as to what real crypto is, then we might as well just sit here and prattle on about Assassination Politics and ad hominem. You seem to take a pretty negative attitude about what the general public can and cannot learn from. If Cypherpunks do not help educate the masses, who will? The snake oil salesmen? The Government? The masses themselves? They are not going to go out and buy a book intended for programmers. (And especially one that costs about $50.) There are no "cryptography for dummies" books. (At least none worth a damn.) A FAQ has the ability to propigate in channels that books cannot. You cannot forward a book via e-mail. (Some will claim I have tried...) The FAQ has the capability to do alot of good. If not, where do you think the energy would be better spent? <sarcasm>"If it saves just one newbie..."</sarcasm> --- Alan Olsen -- alano(a)teleport.com -- Contract Web Design & Instruction `finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ "We had to destroy the Internet in order to save it." - Sen. Exon "Microsoft -- Nothing but NT promises."

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Internet File System?
by John Brothers 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The other day, it occurred to me that Java could really take off if there was some sort of file system. And, since you can't write to local files with Java, the obvious solution is to set up the 'fopen, fclose(), etc) set of functions that are 'rpcs' to some server application on the same computer as the web server the applet comes from. Since I never manage to come up with new concepts, I assume someone is already working on this, or has already created this. In any case, I've been trying to figure out the best balance of security characteristics for this sort of system. I've written something up at a very high level -- Please let me know what is wrong with it. 1) Before any files can be written or read, the applet has to prompt the user for a password. 2) Password is encrypted one-way, and sent to the server. 3) Server establishes a 'session' (TCP) with the client. At the point, the options are: -- use SSL to maintain security (probably the best, if available) -- providing some sort of encryption, similar to SSL 4) Server would handle all the traditional file manipulation routines, possibly with some restrictions (no access to directories, maybe?) 5) If someone wanted to get a local copy, they would have to ftp to the server, and go to the appropriate place to get it. I can tell this has a couple of weaknesses: a) central authority for creating accounts, maintaining users, etc. b) server side can view all the files at will. b) susceptible to trojan servers I don't know how to reliably solve a). If you don't have some sort of central user admin, you can't avoid denial of service/resource wasting attacks. b) Could be solved by having the user type in (or cut and paste, etc) their entire public key. They could ftp the encrypted document back, and decrypt it with the private key. This would detect and prevent a lot of problems, but dealing with the key would be a bit cumbersome. c) If the server has to send out some sort of validation code that the clients have to accept, it will work ok. But if the attacker has access to the server, they may have access to the java code, and may be able to modify it to not perform the validation. Any ideas ? Thanks for your time. --- John Brothers Do you have a right not to be offended?

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Evolving algorithm for faster brute force key searches?
by jack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I got an idea last night, maybe this has already been thought of and tried, but I thought I would give a quick outline of the program I was thinking of: -Specify a maximum key size (assume 1024bits or something) -Start with an arbitrary key "aaaaaaaaaaaaaa" Start a loop -create five mutations of the key -use each key to try and decrypt a few bytes of the message -run a (or some) statistical analysis tests and come up with a value for how 'random' the decrypted bits are -Pick the key that produced the least random ouput Repeat Probably this wouldnt work on any very strong algorithm, but it seems it might be effective against some. I am going to write the code and try it out on RC4 and on a weakling little algorithm I wrote a while back. Let me know what yall think.

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Re: Snake-Oil FAQ
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 6:53 PM 9/22/96, Alan Olsen wrote: >I agree that it will no change the glorified decoder ring salesmen, but it >can have a positive effect on their customers. > >The FAQ has the ability to reach those who would not nessisarily read >Schneier or any other large tome. Really? You think someone thinking about buying a cryptographic product for his company, for example, will read an obscure Snake Oil FAQ (even the name presumes familiarity with why some products are "snake oil") while not bothering to read the opening chapters of Denning, Schneier, Brassard, or other such texts? I'll address the issue of "the masses" below. >Most of the people outside of this forum have some understanding of >cryptography. Most of that understanding is based on folklore and >marketing hype. If we do not take pains to educate them as to what real >crypto is, then we might as well just sit here and prattle on about >Assassination Politics and ad hominem. My view is that people interested in buying and using crypto are either bright enough to learn, or are not. A "Snake Oil FAQ" is largely unnecessary, for either category. For the first, because they're bright. For the second, because they're not. >You seem to take a pretty negative attitude about what the general public >can and cannot learn from. If Cypherpunks do not help educate the masses, >who will? The snake oil salesmen? The Government? The masses themselves? > They are not going to go out and buy a book intended for programmers. >(And especially one that costs about $50.) There are no "cryptography for >dummies" books. (At least none worth a damn.) And just who are "the masses"? I've never cared for that term, and rarely use it. But, for the sake of this discussion, just who might they be? Our mothers and fathers who don't use computers? Our neighbors who maybe have a Pentium at work but don't much use computers otherwise? The guy buying a game machine for his kids at CompUSA? The average reader of sci.crypt? (:-}) I believe there is no meaningful way to "reach the masses" until they first show some interest in the subject. And once they do, there is a plethora of ways to learn the basics of cryptography. Nearly all libraries have several books, and nearly every bookstore I have seen has copies of Schneier. Further, the various FAQs available already cover enough of the basics for someone to know why, for example, a "virtual one-time pad, with keys issued by our company" is patently bogus. Again, if "Joe Average" hasn't encountered this sort of stuff, no "Snake Oil FAQ" is likely to reach him. I do think there's a potential "market" for such a Snake Oil FAQ: the journalists who are looking for a pithy line to use in a review of "Super Bass-O-Matic Virtual Decoder Ring." But that's about the only market (or reader base) I see. Have fun with it, just don't gull yourself into thinking it's something "the masses" will read. --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Spam from Timmy May (fart) and his merry band of mailbombers
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is this another one of Tim May's accounts? ]From varange(a)crl.com Sun Sep 22 15:39:37 1996 ]Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) ] via UUCP; Sun, 22 Sep 96 15:59:10 EDT ] for dlv ]Received: from mail.crl.com by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; ] id AA01600 for dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com; Sun, 22 Sep 96 15:39:37 -0400 ]Received: from crl13.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA02700 ] (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com>); Sun, 22 Sep 1996 12:40:01 -0700 ]Received: by crl13.crl.com id AA05247 ] (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com) Sun, 22 Sep 1996 12:33:43 -0700 ]From: Troy Varange <varange(a)crl.com> ]Message-Id: <199609221933.AA05247(a)crl13.crl.com> ]Subject: Re: [NEWS] ]To: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) ]Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 12:33:43 -0700 (PDT) ]In-Reply-To: <XJ8guD106w165w(a)bwalk.dm.com> from "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" at Sep 18, 96 08:07:56 pm ]X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] ]Mime-Version: 1.0 ]Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII ]Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ]Content-Length: 1605 ] ]> ]> American Banker, 9/17/96 ]> ]> CHASE TO OFFER DEALERSHIPS AUTO LOAN DECISIONS OVER INTERNET ]> ]> Chase Manhattan Corp.'s auto financing division has begun using the ]> Internet to provide dealerships with loan-approval decisions. The bank ]> is the first of eight financial institutions that have committed to ]> using the system, developed by IBM Corp. By computerizing loan ]> applications and sending data electronically, Chase officials said the ]> bank can grant approvals in as few as two minutes. Up to 50% of the ]> division's auto loans will be running through the system within the ]> next 18 months. Chase, the largest car lender not affiliated with a car ]> company, is connected to six dealerships currently using the system and ]> will establish connections to 100 dealers with the official introduction ]> in October. Other financial institutions planning to use the on-line ]> system include NationsBank Corp., G.E. Capital Auto Financial Services ]> Inc., Regions Financial Corp., and Citibank Puerto Rico. The dealer's ]> computer is connected to the Internet through the IBM Globa l Network, ]> which is also used to retrieve an encrypted report from a credit bureau. ]> The dealer's pre-established "key" decodes the report and causes the ]> screen to display one, two, or three stars -- representing poor, fair, ]> or good credit. This gives the dealer an idea of which financial ]> institutions are most likely to approve the loan. ]> ]> --- ]> ]> Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM ]> Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps ]> ]F^Ackhead. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Evolving algorithm for faster brute force key searches?
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:01 PM 7/5/96, jack wrote: >I got an idea last night, maybe this has already been thought of and >tried, but I thought I would give a quick outline of the program I was >thinking of: > >-Specify a maximum key size (assume 1024bits or something) >-Start with an arbitrary key "aaaaaaaaaaaaaa" > >Start a loop > >-create five mutations of the key >-use each key to try and decrypt a few bytes of the message >-run a (or some) statistical analysis tests and come up with a value >for how 'random' the decrypted bits are >-Pick the key that produced the least random ouput Schneier actually used my explanation of why this won't work in the Second Edition of his book. Basically, with any strong. modern cipher, there is no concept of "getting closer" to a solution. Thus, the "fitness landscape" for a brute-force-needed cipher looks like a flat plain (if portrayed in two dimensions), with the solution/key being a single-point spike rising from the plain. No hill-climber can find this spike except by landing right on it, which means evolutionary programming, genetic algorithms, simulated annealing, and neural net sorts of approaches are worthless. With some weak ciphers, this might work. I think Schneier makes some comments about who's looked at this. But weak ciphers are not too interesting. --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Assassination Politics, was Kiddie porn on the Internet
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 22 Sep 96 at 9:36, jim bell wrote: > >Where is Jimmy Hoffa? > > And it worked! Hey Jim, makes me a bit nervous when you talk that tripe. Unions were using guns and they still do, although the hand holding it now is the govt. But I suppose that you were answering only on a strictly factual basis. Ciao jf P.S. send any comments to me directly, as I am not on CPunks anymore. So many things to do, so little time... ...sigh... Jean-Francois Avon, Montreal QC Canada DePompadour, Societe d'Importation Ltee Finest Limoges porcelain and crystal JFA Technologies, R&D consultant physicists and engineers, LabView programming PGP keys at: http://w3.citenet.net/users/jf_avon ID# C58ADD0D : 529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891

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Re: Internet File System?
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>The other day, it occurred to me that Java could really take off if there >was some sort of file system. And, since you can't write to local files >with Java, the obvious solution is to set up the 'fopen, fclose(), etc) >set of functions that are 'rpcs' to some server application on the same >computer as the web server the applet comes from. > >Since I never manage to come up with new concepts, I assume someone is already >working on this, or has already created this. > Eric Hughes, well known cypherpunk, presented a two-part paper at DEFCON IV. The first part of the paper, entitled the "Universal Piracy System" or UPS, addresses an Internet/Web file system which offers universal access and privacy. The second part addresses how the UPS can be the enabler for the demise of copyright while offering a market driven replacement of an entirely different character. I hear Eric is refining these ideas and we hope to see something published soon. Perhaps he's lurking and will respond. PGP Fingerprint: FE 90 1A 95 9D EA 8D 61 81 2E CC A9 A4 4A FB A9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Snoop Daty Data | Internet: azur(a)netcom.com Grinder | Voice: 1-702-655-2877 Sacred Cow Meat Co. | Fax: 1-702-658-2673 7075 W. Gowan Road, #2148 | Las Vegas, NV 89129 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- Just say NO to prescription DRUGS.

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crypto anarchy vs AP
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Been reading the AP thread, and thought I'd donate some of my views. To me, crypto anarchy is a means to achieve a more libertarian government, it is a pivotal tool to reduce government power, and enable freedom and privacy. A libertarian government means a less powerful government, less taxes, less onerous laws, more freedoms. I don't think AP as stated by Jim could escalate quickly enough as a mechanism to introduce a libertarian government, because if it got to the state that too many politicians were openly threatened, and killed, the government would declare a state of war, and switch off the Internet. You'd just cause the government to panic, and this would have negative effects, it would take ages for them to calm down, and the laws they'd pass in the mean time would mean a near certainty of mandatory GAK as a condition to switching the Internet back on. (Before someone takes me to task for the impossibility of switching the Internet off, it all depends on the level of government panic. More specifically perhaps they would disconnect key backbones, and ISPs briefly while they rushed into effect a few presidential decrees outlawing non GAKed crypto, anonymous ecash, remailers, PGP, DC-nets, etc.) I think I understand what Jim is saying with AP, that it might be a way to accelerate the arrival of libertarian government. I'm not saying I have any moral problems with a suitably restrained version of AP, if it saved lives and resulted in a better life for many people. (Some people might even view it as having a certain element of poetic justice:-) However I don't think it would survive the above hurdle. (Also I have some thoughts on why AP might not achieve the desired effects even if it could survive the hurdle which I will save for now, in the interests of keeping this to a digestible length.) Libertarian governments, if they come, I think will be more easily, and more likely achieved via non-violent means. I think it will be a much more gradual process, and that government power will just be gradually eroded as international businesses gain power, and borders become more open, trade more free, as travel becomes cheaper, and moving to another country becomes less of a hassle. Telecommuting, and remote education should help reduce the problems of moving country. If you telecommute, and your kids (if you have any) are taught via the Net, and you can talk to your friends in photo realistic real time VR chat rooms, it becomes much less important where on the planet you live. As information based work becomes more important, significant proportions of government tax revenues may be siphoned off to tele-workers from tax havens, and to those who just ignore local tax laws in favor of anonymous ecash. The ability to jurisdiction shop for laws, and taxes in itself will reduce governments options. It will induce governments to try to provide incentives for international businesses to use their jurisdictions, and to create the appearance of as free a life style as they can for individuals. The jurisdiction shopping will start amongst the disenfranchised, and the adventurous, but will spread as the advantages become clearer, and the hurdles are reduced. Tax collection will be restructured to tax tangibles, and reduced to encourage customers (citizens). Governments are currently flailing around trying to prolong the inevitable. The fall out from this is beginning to annoy some people. If it annoys enough people soon enough that they vote in a Libertarian candidate for president in the next 20 years, crypto anarchy, and libertarian governments could be reached more quickly. I'm not sure it will ever get that far though, because the more votes the libertarians get over the following years, the closer we get to libertarian anyway, because the government has to start adopting their policies to get the votes back. (Much like the green movement, which once it started getting significant votes, and media attention, was pandered to by politicians of all parties. They're all green now:-) And so libertarian thinking starts to affect government thinking. Crypto anarchy privacy preserving goodies such as anonymous ecash, anonymous email, strongly free speech, right to encryption start to fair better, and so start to undermine whats left of government. Politicians, now posturing to try and look more libertarian might even start to take on board the idea that there are simply too many government employees, that may be the war on drugs causes more problems than it solves, that sounding pro free speech is something that might carry some votes, etc. By the time governments get weak enough for AP to be feasible, they will be so weak, and eager to entice you into their jurisdiction with promised single digit tax rates, private dietary recommendation services, friendly police forces, advertised local highlights: local casinos, brothels, cuisine, favorable climate, reasonably priced housing, etc, etc. that no one will care much about offing the fawning officials (head salesmen, and brochure designer) anyway. Well thats my theory :-) It could all suffer a huge set-back if the government panics too soon, and passes mandatory GAK by presidential decree or something. One hopes that whats left of the US first ammendment, and judicial system would be enough to repeal such a move, but you never know. Adam -- #!/bin/perl -sp0777i<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<j]dsj $/=unpack('H*',$_);$_=`echo 16dio\U$k"SK$/SM$n\EsN0p[lN*1 lK[d2%Sa2/d0$^Ixp"|dc`;s/\W//g;$_=pack('H*',/((..)*)$/)

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Re: Please do not post off-topic flames to the list.
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Unfortunately, you've probably all received something that started out like this: >> You are being gently flamed because. Sorry about that. I've been gone for the last few days and found out that one of my incoming mail filters was somewhat flawed. Instead of sending that generic response only to the esteemed Dr. Vulis it was sending it to any message with his address *in the header*. It also replied to any cc:ed addresses. Ooops... Also, there is no need to speculate about any ulterior motives. It was entirely a setup glitch. There's an important reminder here: don't make setup changes at 2 am and then disappear for 4 days! Again, sorry to the list about this. # Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp # cadams(a)acucobol.com | V.M. (619)515-4894 "I have never been able to figure out why anyone would want to play games on a computer in any case when the whole system is a game. Word processing, spreadsheets, telecoms -- it's all a game. And they pay you to play it." -- Duncan Frissell

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Re: Bernstein hearing: The Press Release
by Rich Burroughs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:39 PM 9/21/96 -0800, Jim Bell wrote: >At 02:03 PM 9/18/96 -0700, John Gilmore wrote: [snip] >>* Any legal framework that allows a government bureaucrat to >>censor speech before it happens is an unconstitutional prior restraint. >>The government is not allowed to set up such a drastic scheme >>unless they can prove that publication of such information will >>"surely result in direct, immediate, and irreparable damage to our >>Nation or its people" and that the regulation at issue is necessary >>to prevent this damage. > >At the risk of being a devil's advocate, let me suggest that you are >conceding too much even with the preceding paragraph. The 1st amendment >says nothing about preventing speech which (even admittedly) would result >in "direct, immediate, and irreparable damage to our nation or its people." [snip] Jim, that's a quote of Potter Stewart from the Pentagon Papers case, if I'm not mistaken. It's not written in the Constitution, but Supreme Court precedent is the next best thing as far as con law goes. >The way you've written the paragraph I've quoted above, it appears that you >are somehow acknowleding that there are certain circumstances where certain >types of speech are controllable because they are "harmful," but you fail to >explain how even this constitutional restiction is tolerable. Frankly, I >don't see it! What you need to do is to be far more specific about such >speech and exactly where it can be controlled. What you need to do is look at the case law :) The government can restrict speech in time, place or manner, according to the courts. Restricting content is more difficult, and places a much heavier burden on the gov. To expect people writing about and arguing the case to completely ignore the existing case law is foolish, IMHO. >I should point out, also, that this is the second time I've mentioned this. >You're doing us a disservice if you concede too much in this area. I think that John and EFF are doing us a huge service by their involvement in the case. I am very optimistic about the outcome of the Bernstein case. Judge Patel's ruling that source code = speech really puts the debate in the plaintiff's court, and we saw some of that in the hearing on Friday, IMHO. Much of the argument was about prior restraint, with the government trying to claim that they are only trying to restrict a specific functionality of crypto code and not the ideas behind it. This seemed to be a fairly weak argument to me, and the plaintiff's attorney pointed out that the ideas embodied in the source code are what dictate the functionality. The plaintiff's attorney (Cindy Cohn) also argued 3 lines of cases that bear on the issue: 1) Compelled speech. 2) Anonymity. 3) Freedom of association. Cohn also argued that the statute is vague (terms like "general principle" and "fundamental research") and overbroad; also that the current version of ITAR does not even meet the scrutiny of the DOJ's own OLC review of the statute. When the attorney for the gov tried to drift back to the issue of whether source code is speech, Judge Patel said, "You'll get that chance again in another court with more judges." Near the end of the hearing, the government attorney stated that the statute describes "what is not controlled," which elicited a pretty hearty laugh from the spectators. Not a real strategic admission. The plaintiff's brief is at: http://www.eff.org/pub/Privacy/ITAR_export/Bernstein_case/Legal/960726_filin g/motion_partsj.html There's quite a bit of info in that same directory. Rich ______________________________________________________________________ Rich Burroughs richieb(a)teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~richieb See my Blue Ribbon Page at http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/blueribbon U.S. State Censorship Page at - http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/state New EF zine "cause for alarm" - http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/cause

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Go away CIA
by skeeve＠skeeve.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well well... After putting up the CIA hack mirror page on http://www.skeeve.net/cia/ I learnt a few things. o it got 50,000 hits in 1 day o everyone from the cia, senate, fbi, nsa (ncsc) and every other bloody US gov department looked at it masses of times. The CIA looked at it every 10-15 minutes. zztop{root}:15: cat skeeve.net-access_log | grep ucia.gov | wc -l 281 o Even the CIA tries to hack you. relay1-ext.ucia.gov unknown - [21/Sep/1996:01:56:44 +1000] "GET /cgi-bin/phf?Qalias=x%0a/bin/cat%20/etc/passwd HTTP/1.0" 404 1180 o Dozens of in.fingerd/in.telnetd attempts from ucia.gov, some mil sites and ncsc.mil sites. as I speak the house are looking at it. b252-209.house.gov unknown - [21/Sep/1996:02:41:37 +1000] "GET /cia/ I "PRESUME" there are no laws (international or otherwise) being broken by my housing of the mirror... not like I actually care.. but it would be good to know. Ok... ive been up all night chuckling at all the different sort of sites hitting the mirror... time to sleep. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Skeeve Stevens Email: skeeve(a)skeeve.net CEO/The Big Boss/All round nice guy URL: http://www.skeeve.net/ MyInternet Australian Anglicans Online http://www.myinternet.net/ http://www.anglican.asn.au/ Phone: (+612) 869-3334 Mobile: (0414) SKEEVE [+61414-753-383] Key fingerprint = D2 7E 91 53 19 FE D0 5C DE 34 EA AF 7A 5C 4D 3E

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