December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Why the world needs privay protecting Ecash
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:18 AM 7/27/96, Duncan Frissell wrote: >At 12:05 PM 7/27/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: > >>If Alice uses her U.S. VISA card to make many cash withdrawals at ATMs in >>Zurich, Lichtenstein, Geneva, London, etc., are there any U.S. requirements >>that she obtain and fill out reports (in triplicate) on these transactions? >>Suppose the cumulative ATM transactions hit the magic $10,000 level? > >It might be hard to get an ATM card that lets you take out $10,000/day. I >suppose a VISA card or a Debit card might allow that amount. Who said it had to be in one day? I didn't. Most vacations to Europe last a couple of weeks, e.g., "If this is Tuesday, I need to make a withdrawal in Milano." I think a lot of ATMs will now dispense big chunks of cash--I've never checked on limits, but I notice that some CRT screens now have chunks up to $600 or so listed. >The form doesn't have to be filed by individuals only by financial >institutions. An ATM doesn't involve the bank giving you cash unless you are >using the ATM machine at your own bank. I remember seeing some regs that >did mention ATM transfers but can't recall specifics. Usually, they figure >that they have the "paper trail" anyway through your normal bank records. Thanks. Still not sure if it applies, but I'd forgotten that it's up to the banks to do the reports; good to know it's not up to me. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Pie cutting algorithm
by rollo＠artvark.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May said: << ObCrypto Sidebar: The "fair" method for dividing a pie between two people is well-known: "You cut, I choose." This *game theory* result is central to many cryptographic protocols (though it may not always be apparent at first). And the protocol can be extended to 3 parties, and proabably to N. Research is ongoing on this, including Cypherpunk Robin Hanson's work at Caltech. >> I (RS) believe Claude Shannon proposed the following N-person pie-cutting algorithm more than 25 years ago: Persons 1...N are seated around a circular table. A Thing To Be Shared (Call it a "pie") sits in front of P1 (Alice, if you prefer). P1 cuts a slice (a portion satisfactory to her) out of the pie -- the "current slice" -- and offers the whole pie with the current slice to the person P2 (Barbara, if you like) to her left for her consideration. It is possible that P1 is so greedy that she makes the whole pie the current slice. P2 does one of 2 things: A. P2 cuts a smaller slice (a portion satisfactory to her, which becomes the new current slice) out of the old current slice and offers the whole pie with the new current slice to P3. B. P2 passes (being unwilling to settle for a smaller slice of the pie than the current slice), offering the person P3 to her left the whole pie with the current slice for her consideration; P3 does one of 2 things: A. P3 cuts a smaller slice (a portion satisfactory to her, which becomes the new current slice) out of the old current slice and offers the whole pie with the new current slice to P4. B. P3 passes (being unwilling to settle for a smaller slice of the pie than the current slice), offering the person P4 to her left the whole pie with the current slice for her consideration; ... Eventually, someone (Pm, or Morticia) has cut a current slice, and everybody else has passed. At that point Pm gets the piece she cut, leaves the table with it, and (if N > 2) the game proceeds ab initio with N-1 people and the remaining pie. If N = 2 (two people were playing), there's now one person left (Winnie), and she gets the remaining pie. The whole procedure terminates, with everyone satisified, after a finite number of steps. Tim May: as a Licensed Ontologist, do you know who made the wiseassed (but deep) remark "Ontology recapitulates Philology"? or for that matter, "Oncology recapitulates Proctology". Rollo Silver / Amygdala | e-mail: rollo(a)artvark.com 216M N. Pueblo Rd, #107 | Website: http://www.artvark.com/artvark/ Taos, NM 87571 USA | Voice: 505-751-9601; FAX: 505-751-7507

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Re: Twenty Bank Robbers -- Game theory:) [Classic Answer]
by Robert A. Rosenberg 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:09 -0500 7/25/96, Igor Chudov wrote: >Here's a puzzle for our game theorists. > >Twenty cypherpunks robbed a bank. They took 20 million bucks. Here's >how they plan to split the money: they stay in line, and the first guy >suggests how to split the money. Then they vote on his suggestion. If >50% or more vote for his proposal, his suggestion is adopted. > >Otherwise they kill the first robber and now it is the turn of guy #2 >to make another splitting proposal. Same voting rules apply. > >The question is, what will be the outcome? How will they split the >money, how many robbers will be dead, and so on? > >igor This is a variant on the normal distribution problem/game where you have a number of homogeneous/identical items that are either too numerous to distribute by the "one for you and one for me" method or are not equivalent to each other. The "goal" is to have a method of distributing so that each person feels that they got "their fair share". The classic solution is to have #1 divide the items into 20 piles (any of which he is willing to take as his share). Then number #2 is offered the choice of accepting #1's distribution or rearranging the distribution until he is happy to accept any of them. This accept/rearrange process goes on until #19 has made his decision. Then #20 is allowed to select any one pile as his share. The "choose a pile" option then goes back up the line (to #19, #18, etc) with each taking one of the remaining piles until it gets to whoever was before the person who did the last rearrangement. This person then has the option of doing a new rearrangement or approving the current distribution. After he does a rearrangement or approves the distribution, the option keeps going up the line until it gets to #1 (who selects a pile). You then keep going down [and up] the line until there are only two piles and the last approver/rearranger gets the last pile after the choice of piles is made by the other person. This is "fair" since at all times the person who is making a pile selection has already approved the distribution (or at the end is offered his choice of the two remaining piles).

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ALL OF YOU ARE CRIMINAL HACKERS, I AM GOING TO CALL FBI
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I AM NOT GOING TO TOLERATE EXISTENCE OF A MEDIUM FOR CRIMINAL HACKERS AND MUNITIONS SMUGGLERS. I WILL COMPLAIN TO THE FBI IMMEDIATELY SO THAT THEY CAN TRACK YOU DOWN AND CLOSE THIS LIST.

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RE: Overwelmed with Stupidity...
by Gregory Ellison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Shaun Clark <jacquard(a)teleport.com> writes: > > > Ok, ok... Let me say something, but I don't want anyone to > > take this wrong. I'm not trying to be stupid, but I don't > > have half the knowledge you all seem to posses. > and Mike Duvos <mpd(a)netcom.com> replies: >That's ok. Welcome to the list. > then proceeds to pull Mike's leg by telling him TRS-80 is a technical paper by David Sternlight, DES is a synthetic estrogen that shrinks your dick, and GAK is green slime on a kiddie show. In my mind, this is just schoolyard bully-ism at the expense of the "new kid." Really mature, really nurturing of the serious values and issues this list exists to disseminate. Go back to second grade, Mike. I, too, am a relative newcomer to this list, and have not participated very actively because I'm having a hard time gauging the balance between the genuinely useful technical and philosophical issues being discussed (of which there are many) and the childish, irrational ranting and insulting pseudo-intellectual one-upsmanship being bantered about (of which there is far too much). If people like Mike Duvos can't bring themselves to offer any useful information to newcomers who earnestly ask, they could at least refrain from insulting them for the "crime" of not knowing. Shaun, TRS-80 is an early line of microcomputers produced by Radio Shack, DES is a (not very secure) encryption algorithm supported by the Bureau of Standards, and GAK stand for "govenment access to keys," the position that the government should have access to all private keys (in escrow, of course) just in case there is a "legitimate" need to listen in on anybody's private communications. I believe in the values this list was founded to promulgate, and I value it for the open political, technical and philosopical discussions of issues crucial to our time. And, yes, it's great to have fun, too, but does it always have to be mean-spirited fun at someone else's expense? -- Gregory <gregorye(a)microsoft.com> "Opinions expressed herein are entirely my own and not the opinions of my employer." PGP key for <gregorye(a)microsoft.com> is on the keyservers >

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HACKER REPORT
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, Just saw part I of a two-part series on "hackers" being broadcast by a local San Francisco TV station. Nothing horrible, in my opinion. The adroitly sidestepped the hacker/cracker distinction by saying the "hacker" has come to mean..." and then gave the negative, intrusive definition. The interviewed a spokesman for "InsWeb" an on-line insurance company that has been the target of "hackers." During the filmed segment, they did a trace-route on the intrusion which lead back to Germany. The explained "social engineering" and showed how a hacker could get someone to reveal their password. They also interviewed a San Jose computer crime cop named Keith Lowery. He didn't add much to the discussion. At the end, Pete Wilson (the TV guy, not the governor) said something like, "Hackers tells us that the problem may be overblown. Most people--and this includes most hackers--know the difference between right and wrong." Tomorrow's show should be more interesting (and possibly much more sensationalistic). Part II is "The Hacker Underground." Oooh, scary! S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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ALL OF YOU ARE CRIMINAL HACKERS, I AM GOING TO CALL FBI
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, anonymous-remailer(a)shell.portal.com wrote: > ALL OF YOU ARE CRIMINAL HACKERS, I AM GOING TO CALL FBI > I AM NOT GOING TO TOLERATE EXISTENCE OF A MEDIUM FOR CRIMINAL > HACKERS AND MUNITIONS SMUGGLERS. I WILL COMPLAIN TO THE FBI > IMMEDIATELY SO THAT THEY CAN TRACK YOU DOWN AND CLOSE THIS LIST. Damn! What were we thinking? We left that "who cypherpunks" back door open on majordomo(a)toad.com. Now "they" are going to come and get us all. Curses! Foiled again! And they say there is no legitimate use for 'ludes. S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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The Four Horsemen Go to the Olympics!
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, there was an explosion at the Olympics... It may have been a bomb or it may have been a transformer. Expect this to be used as fuel as to why every one in America must be under constant survelance by the Government. The Four Horsemen are now an Olympic Event! --- Alan Olsen -- alano(a)teleport.com -- Contract Web Design & Instruction `finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ "We had to destroy the Internet in order to save it." - Sen. Exon "Microsoft -- Nothing but NT promises."

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Gambling Protocols
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>If Phil really believes he and I are at any credible legal risk >>for a making such a personal wager, he is a fool. The obvious approach is for some kind person to send encrypted email to both Phill and Sandy and offer to hold their digicash in escrow. What kind of protocol would it take to implement this correctly? The escrow agent needs to verify that the e-money is good (though not necessarily where it came from), and perhaps put some kind of lock on it to prevent double-spending by the bettors. The bettors need to be able to verify that the escrow agent hasn't ripped them off. (The escrow agent may have a certain amount of reputation with the two players, but may not be in a regular escrow business so he may be willing to rip them off, unlike a bank which probably doesn't want to risk its reputation. In a typical betting-escrow situation today, the escrow agent doesn't need much reputation because he's right there while the two bettors are arm-wrestling, shooting pool, trying to out-drink each other, or whatever, so he can't really abscond.) Non-payer-anonymous double-spender-identifying e-money would be one approach - if the escrow agent rips them off, he's traceable, and if one of the bettors double-spends, he gets fingered. Perhaps the escrow agent should deposit the money (and a key) with the bank and get back an encrypted set of money and a certificate saying the encrypted money is worth $X (which lets you use basic Chaumian first-spender-wins e-money.) Any better approaches? # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> # Dispel Authority!

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Re: LIMBAUGH ON TV [Political Rant]
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:27 PM 7/25/96 -0400, hallam(a)Etna.ai.mit.edu wrote: >The moral point is not that there is risk of being caught, it >is that society has made laws and unless there are exceptional >circumstances it is a duty to obey those laws. I haven't seen society making laws recently; I've seen societies tolerating governments and governments making laws, generally to benefit one special interest or another, and I include bureaucratic growth and self-preservation as special interests. I don't see how duty attaches to any of that. Duty attaches to keeping committments you've made to other people and living up to your moral values, and in spite of government telling me I've got a duty to it, I don't. Meanwhile, society is a bunch of individuals and the interactions they have with each other. If you want society to work well, there are lots of things you can and should do to help - but duties are to individuals. Letting other people live their lives in peace may count as a duty - and if it does, then governments have the duty not to make laws unless there are exceptional circumstances. The facts that people can lose money gambling or get stoned by taking drugs or make money by helping other people do these things are certainly not exceptional... >I don't argue against breaking laws which are immoral, indeed >I am still refusing to pay a Poll tax bill from the UK despite >the fact that the amount outstanding is inconsequential. Why? Aside from the fact that Maggie and the Parliament were quite obnoxious in enacting and implementing it, what's wrong? If you're think that some people's Fair Share of the cost of supporting society is higher than others', and object because this tax

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Decrypt info about domain name
by Jerome Tan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Where can I find the file to decrypt in order to change the domain name of a Unix system?

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Re: LIMBAUGH ON TV [Political Rant]
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:27 PM 7/25/96 -0400, hallam(a)Etna.ai.mit.edu wrote: >The moral point is not that there is risk of being caught, it >is that society has made laws and unless there are exceptional >circumstances it is a duty to obey those laws. I haven't seen society making laws recently; I've seen societies tolerating governments and governments making laws, generally to benefit one special interest or another, and I include bureaucratic growth and self-preservation as special interests. I don't see how duty attaches to any of that. Duty attaches to keeping committments you've made to other people and living up to your moral values, and in spite of government telling me I've got a duty to it, I don't. Meanwhile, society is a bunch of individuals and the interactions they have with each other. If you want society to work well, there are lots of things you can and should do to help - but duties are to individuals. Letting other people live their lives in peace may count as a duty - and if it does, then governments have the duty not to make laws unless there are exceptional circumstances. The facts that people can lose money gambling or get stoned by taking drugs or make money by helping other people do these things are certainly not exceptional... >I don't argue against breaking laws which are immoral, indeed >I am still refusing to pay a Poll tax bill from the UK despite >the fact that the amount outstanding is inconsequential. Why? Aside from the fact that Maggie and the Parliament were quite obnoxious in enacting and implementing it, what's wrong? If you're think that some people's Fair Share of the cost of supporting society is higher than others', and object because this tax treats everyone equally, the Politically Correct way to protest it would seem to be to pay _more_ tax because you're a well-paid technical person, not to pay _less_ tax because factory workers can't afford to pay as much as you.... >You sound like an 18th century fop challenging someone to a duel. Hey, an armed society is a polite society, and since you're being rude calling him a fop, he obviously ought to blow you away :-) (Just because I believe in the right to own weapons doesn't mean I have to _like_ the things or the arguments gun nuts make .....) >Would you believe that Continental is so lame that they do not >offer either the Sci-Fi channel nor the comedy channel in the >home town of MIT and Harvard? If I had realised that NBC >Olympic coverage would be as bad as it is I might have got a >satelite dish to pick up the feed from Astra. But Phil - Cable TV Regulation is the Law! It's the government helping protect you from dig-eat-dog competition! It's your _duty_ to watch government-enforced-monopoly TV and _like_ it! # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> # Dispel Authority!

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Overwelmed with Stupidity...
by Shaun Clark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ok, ok... Let me say something, but I don't want anyone to take this wrong. I'm not trying to be stupid, but I don't have half the knowledge you all seem to posses. For instance what the heck is a TRS-80, DES, or even GAK? I probabl;y know or have heard but, I'm not picking up on the three letter words. So, if you could help meout maybe I just might be able to start contributing activly to this mailer!

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Re: The Four Horsemen Go to the Olympics!
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:15 PM 7/26/96 -0700, Alan Olsen <alano(a)teleport.com> wrote: >Well, there was an explosion at the Olympics... It may have been a bomb or >it may have been a transformer. >Expect this to be used as fuel as to why every one in America must be under >constant survelance by the Government. >The Four Horsemen are now an Olympic Event! Yeah, it's been a wild week. There was also an airplane hijacking today, which ended peacefully. The hijacker had a laptop wrapped in tinfoil he was claiming was a bomb.* And of course Clinton's first speeches after the TWA crash were "we don't have any evidence of terrorism yet but you'll all have to give up your civil liberties so we can do a better job of protecting you." ---- *Penn Jillette proposed that a good boot-up program for laptops and PDAs is one that displays a big timer counting backwards, for use in airports that want to see that you've got a real laptop. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> # Dispel Authority!

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Re: The Four Horsemen Go to the Olympics!
by Nathan Syfrig 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:15 PM 7/26/96 -0700, Alan Olsen <alano(a)teleport.com> wrote: >Well, there was an explosion at the Olympics... It may have been a bomb or >it may have been a transformer. >Expect this to be used as fuel as to why every one in America must be under >constant survelance by the Government. >The Four Horsemen are now an Olympic Event! And here's your suspect (from anonymous): I AM NOT GOING TO TOLERATE EXISTENCE OF A MEDIUM FOR CRIMINAL HACKERS AND MUNITIONS SMUGGLERS. I WILL COMPLAIN TO THE FBI IMMEDIATELY SO THAT THEY CAN TRACK YOU DOWN AND CLOSE THIS LIST. Now all you have to do is match this sentence structure with the 911 tape. Maybe there's a correlation between an electronic fingerprint and fingerprints on the phone booth. This is very worrysome, as it truly is a "world stage" event that could really serve to galvanize various governments into uniting against strong non-escrowed crypto. Hey, it will look good for the international PR, never mind the fact that not everybody will be so 'diligent' in registering their keys and/or use the "approved" crypto. And of course, this country just purchased another IBM computer for "nuclear simulation". Gee, I wonder what else that power might be used for? (but then again, it's from IBM, purveyor of the Olympics computer services) Nathan (standard not-my-emplyers-views disclaimer)

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Off Topic: Send e-mail to post to Usenet
by Jerome Tan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

How can I send e-mail to post my message to the Usenet without using the NNTP server of my ISP? I say this because my ISP's news server is not working 100% correctly, if not, it is not 100% dependable.

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Re: ALL OF YOU ARE CRIMINAL HACKERS, I AM GOING TO CALL FBI
by Blake Wehlage 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:33 PM 7/26/96 -0700, anonymous-remailer(a)shell.portal.com wrote: >I AM NOT GOING TO TOLERATE EXISTENCE OF A MEDIUM FOR CRIMINAL HACKERS >AND MUNITIONS SMUGGLERS. I WILL COMPLAIN TO THE FBI IMMEDIATELY SO THAT THEY >CAN TRACK YOU DOWN AND CLOSE THIS LIST. > I find this rather comical. I think I'll add this to my web-site. Maybe then the FBI will close it down. :-) ========================================== Blake Wehlage <jwilk(a)iglou.com> ±» RëVðLû¡ØÑ Bø+ ©ÖmP@ñ¥ «± Goto: http://members.iglou.com/jwilk

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Re: HACKER REPORT
by Cerridwyn Llewyellyn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Just saw part I of a two-part series on "hackers" being broadcast >by a local San Francisco TV station. Nothing horrible, in my >opinion. The adroitly sidestepped the hacker/cracker distinction >by saying the "hacker" has come to mean..." and then gave the >negative, intrusive definition. Did somebody record this, and if so, could I send you a tape so you can copy it for me? Thanks... //cerridwyn//

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EFFector Online 09.09: Mo
by pjn＠nworks.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In> "The Singapore government isn't interested in controlling information, In> but wants a gradual phase-in of services to protect ourselves. It's In> not to control, but to protect the citizens of Singapore. In our In> society, you can state your views, but they have to be correct." In> - Ernie Hai, coordinator of the Singapore Government Internet This was in the latest Effector Online... P.J. pjn(a)nworks.com ... Answers: $1, Short: $5, Correct: $25, dumb looks are still free. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR]

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Re: Distributed DES crack
by pjn＠nworks.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In> Has anyone thought of asking RSA, etc, for help? If DES falls (so to In> speak) it yould make thare product more desirable. Hmmm... Damn good idea. P.J. pjn(a)nworks.com ... Captian's log, stardate 25970-point-5. I am nailed to the hull. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR]

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One of the biggest proble
by pjn＠nworks.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In> What our biggest problem is, is that people want the What our biggest problem is is people like you. And that is a hell of a rant for a person with too few balls to use a "normal" E-Mail acct. P.J. pjn(a)nworks.com ... Can not read right brain: <A>bort <R>etry <F>rolic ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR]

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Re: Why the world needs privay protecting Ecash
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:20 PM 7/27/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >Who said it had to be in one day? I didn't. Most vacations to Europe last a >couple of weeks, e.g., "If this is Tuesday, I need to make a withdrawal in >Milano." The original definition of multiple transactions (structuring) said the transactions had to occur within one day. There is now a separate rule that says that the bank has to report *any* suspicious transactions even if they don't fall under specific regulations. Keep the population guessing as to what's reportable. >I think a lot of ATMs will now dispense big chunks of cash--I've never >checked on limits, but I notice that some CRT screens now have chunks up to >$600 or so listed. New York money center banks allow $1000 a day or so. Credit cards (which are also bank accounts although most don't think of them as such) let more get out and one can always over pay one's credit card to get a credit balance of any amount. They take the money. Usually in those cases, you can withdraw the credit limit each day and then when the account settles overnight it draws down the credit balance you've built up and your available credit is back. Some may do this "live" one would have to experiment. ATM and credit cards may also have different limits for point-of-sale transactions than for cash withdrawals. >Thanks. Still not sure if it applies, but I'd forgotten that it's up to the >banks to do the reports; good to know it's not up to me. You have to report taking cash (currency or monetary instruments) into or out of the country but you don't have to rat on yourself for cash transactions with a bank here. DCF

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Re: The Four Horsemen Go to the Olympics!
by Charley Sparks 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ANybody got a big timer I can run at boot up ?? PC and MAC ? I travel a lot ! On Sat, 27 Jul 1996 01:43:11 -0700 Bill Stewart <stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote: > At 11:15 PM 7/26/96 -0700, Alan Olsen <alano(a)teleport.com> wrote: > >Well, there was an explosion at the Olympics... It may have been a bomb or > >it may have been a transformer. > >Expect this to be used as fuel as to why every one in America must be under > >constant survelance by the Government. > >The Four Horsemen are now an Olympic Event! > > Yeah, it's been a wild week. There was also an airplane hijacking > today, which ended peacefully. The hijacker had a laptop wrapped > in tinfoil he was claiming was a bomb.* And of course Clinton's > first speeches after the TWA crash were "we don't have any evidence > of terrorism yet but you'll all have to give up your civil liberties > so we can do a better job of protecting you." > > ---- > *Penn Jillette proposed that a good boot-up program for laptops > and PDAs is one that displays a big timer counting backwards, > for use in airports that want to see that you've got a real laptop. > > # Thanks; Bill > # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com > # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> > # Dispel Authority! > ---------------------- Charley Sparks sparks(a)bah.com

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Re: ALL OF YOU ARE CRIMINAL HACKERS, I AM GOING TO CALL FBI
by Scott Schryvers 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:33 PM 7/26/96 -0700, you wrote: >I AM NOT GOING TO TOLERATE EXISTENCE OF A MEDIUM FOR CRIMINAL HACKERS >AND MUNITIONS SMUGGLERS. I WILL COMPLAIN TO THE FBI IMMEDIATELY SO THAT THEY >CAN TRACK YOU DOWN AND CLOSE THIS LIST. > I'm not. Yet.

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[NOISE] Nerds, Dykes, Niggers, Dweebs, Fags, Bimbos, and Geeks
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 27 Jul 96 at 4:49, and entity caling itself Timothy C. May wrote: [..] > Look, anyone is perfectly free to wear t-shirts espousing "Wimp Pride" and > saying "We're gimps, we're wimps, we're dweebs, and we're PROUD!" > > I just cringe when I meet young programmers at Cypherpunks who mumble "I'm > just a computer geek." Fine, I write them off as geeks. [..] > As for what people ought to call themselves, e.g., when journalists ask > what they are. just what is wrong with "engineer," "programmer," > "scientist," and "cryptographer"? I prefer reclaiming far more ancient terms. "Journeyman programmer" gets more attention than "Consultant" and actually describes something. 'nuff said. --Rob --- No-frills sig. Befriend my mail filter by sending a message with the subject "send help" Key-ID: 5D3F2E99 1996/04/22 wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com (root@magneto) AB1F4831 1993/05/10 Deranged Mutant <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key.

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