December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: cypherpunks vs hacker
by pjn＠nworks.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> It is interesting to note that while both groups have opposite > objectives (Hackers want all information free, where cypherpunks want > everbody to be able to have privacy), and yet in there own ways, they > are both right. In> I don't entirely agree with this. I think both groups want In> information to be free, but also want people to be able to have In> privacy. Most hackers (used in the sense of people who break into In> computers) attack computers owned by such companies as TRW and the In> phone companies. Both of these systems have little regard for privacy. In> Most non-malicious hackers promote system security, but at the same In> time, don't like government-controlled monopolies and agencies to be In> able to keep secret information that should be free. A very In> interesting paper by Dorothy Denning (she used to be regarded very In> highly by the hacker community before she started to support Clipper) In> expresses some of the concerns and morals of hackers. It's called In> "Concerning Hackers Who Break Into Computer Systems" and is in Phrack In> issue 32. > I have read the file (I have all Phracks from the beginning. Crypt is good too, but they dont have the same level of information as Phrack) and I though that it was very inciteful (sp). > I think what we need to define is the diffrence between hackers and > crackers. A hacker breaks into a computer like a cracker (but the > similarities end there). The hacker just want to look and learn, > possably "map out" the system just to see how everything works with > everything else. Crackers break into computers for the sake of > destroying or stealing information or the system itself. In> That's debatable. I think many people incorrectly consider these In> terms to be mutually exclusive. There are many hackers (used in the In> sense defined in the Jargon File) who also break into systems and could In> therefore be considered crackers also. Most hackers definitely have In> the knowledge to break into computer systems, but many crackers aren't In> very well versed in programming and learn how to break into computers In> by using canned programs and G-files. I am saying that hackers do break into computers, but crackers are more malicious in their intent. And yes, pathetic hackers rely on programs. I have respect for hackers who do all the work themselfs. > > Both cypherpunks and hackers think that the government is wrong > in many things that they do. In> Agreed. P.J. pjn(a)nworks.com ... Sorry, the dog ate my Blue Wave packet. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR]

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Re: A Libertine Question
by Seth I. Rich 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>My opinions are just that, MINE but here's a question .. You mean "libertarian" -- not "libertine". Got me all hopeful for something juicy and fun. Seth --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Seth I. Rich - seth(a)hygnet.com "Info-Puritan elitist crapola!!" Systems Administrator / Webmaster, HYGNet (pbeilard(a)direct.ca) Rabbits on walls, no problem.

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List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, plus lots of interesting links to remailer-related resources, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail. For more information, see: http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html For the PGP public keys of the remailers, finger pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{"extropia"} = "<remail(a)miron.vip.best.com> cpunk pgp special"; $remailer{"portal"} = "<hfinney(a)shell.portal.com> cpunk pgp hash"; $remailer{"alumni"} = "<hal(a)alumni.caltech.edu> cpunk pgp hash"; $remailer{"c2"} = "<remail(a)c2.org> eric pgp hash reord"; $remailer{"penet"} = "<anon(a)anon.penet.fi> penet post"; $remailer{"flame"} = "<remailer(a)flame.alias.net> cpunk mix pgp. hash latent cut post reord"; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord ?"; $remailer{"replay"} = "<remailer(a)replay.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"ecafe"} = "<cpunk(a)remail.ecafe.org> cpunk mix"; $remailer{"amnesia"} = "<amnesia(a)chardos.connix.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ksub"; $remailer{'alpha'} = '<alias(a)alpha.c2.org> alpha pgp'; $remailer{'nymrod'} = '<nymrod(a)nym.jpunix.com> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"lead"} = "<mix(a)zifi.genetics.utah.edu> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"treehole"} = "<remailer(a)mockingbird.alias.net> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"nemesis"} = "<remailer(a)meaning.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut"; $remailer{"exon"} = "<remailer(a)remailer.nl.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"vegas"} = "<remailer(a)vegas.gateway.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut"; $remailer{"haystack"} = "<haystack(a)holy.cow.net> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"ncognito"} = "<ncognito(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> mix cpunk pgp hash latent"; $remailer{"lucifer"} = "<lucifer(a)dhp.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"jam"} = "<remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"winsock"} = "<winsock(a)c2.org> cpunk pgp hash cut ksub reord"; $remailer{'nym'} = '<config(a)nym.alias.net> newnym pgp'; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu is _not_ a remailer. usura(a)replay.com is _not_ a remailer. Groups of remailers sharing a machine or operator: (c2 alpha) (flame replay) (alumni portal) Use "premail -getkeys pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu" to get PGP keys for the remailers. Fingering this address works too. Note: The remailer list now includes information for the alpha nymserver. Last update: Mon 29 Jul 96 6:47:32 PDT remailer email address history latency uptime ----------------------------------------------------------------------- nymrod nymrod(a)nym.jpunix.com ######*-**-+ 13:54 100.00% alumni hal(a)alumni.caltech.edu *####*#*##+* 2:27 100.00% replay remailer(a)replay.com *+********** 4:59 100.00% mix mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com ---+----+--+ 1:46:21 99.98% portal hfinney(a)shell.portal.com ####*#####+# 1:44 99.97% alpha alias(a)alpha.c2.org -+*++++*++++ 1:43:56 99.94% c2 remail(a)c2.org -+++*+++++++ 1:53:47 99.89% winsock winsock(a)c2.org --..-- 7:27:06 99.89% treehole remailer(a)mockingbird.alias.net -+---++-+--- 3:36:15 99.85% vegas remailer(a)vegas.gateway.com *#*#***-*#-* 18:48 99.84% lead mix(a)zifi.genetics.utah.edu ++++++++++ + 38:33 99.61% penet anon(a)anon.penet.fi ----------- 9:09:35 99.57% haystack haystack(a)holy.cow.net +##+#+*###+* 3:57 99.38% ncognito ncognito(a)rigel.cyberpass.net -.-_...--. 16:44:18 99.15% amnesia amnesia(a)chardos.connix.com ---++---- - 3:24:07 98.92% lucifer lucifer(a)dhp.com + +++++++++ 44:40 97.98% nemesis remailer(a)meaning.com *******+**** 30:09 97.48% extropia remail(a)miron.vip.best.com ---------- 9:40:29 93.46% jam remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca ***** *** 18:42 76.47% flame remailer(a)flame.alias.net 4:18:14 4.27% History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. ek Encrypt responses in reply blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. mix Can accept messages in Mixmaster format. reord Attempts to foil traffic analysis by reordering messages. Note: I'm relying on the word of the remailer operator here, and haven't verified the reord info myself. mon Remailer has been known to monitor contents of private email. filter Remailer has been known to filter messages based on content. If not listed in conjunction with mon, then only messages destined for public forums are subject to filtering. Raph Levien

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Secure drive?
by Geoffrey C. Grabow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Greetings all, Does anyone know if the 1.4a version works correctly with Win95? If not, is there an updated version? If not, will there be one anytime soon? If not, will PGPLIB (aka PGP3.0) provide a similar function? If not... heck! G.C.G. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Geoffrey C. Grabow | Great people talk about ideas. | | Oyster Bay, New York | Average people talk about things. | | gcg(a)pb.net | Small people talk about people. | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| |That which does not kill us, makes us stranger. - Trevor Goodchild | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: "privatizing" phones?
by Geoffrey C. Grabow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:26 07/28/96 +0200, Remo Pini wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Date: Sun Jul 28 12:24:57 1996 >> Even if they did change the frequency the call was on, >> it would be a simple matter to decode how the frequency >> change was negotiated, and "follow" the call (also easily >> accomplished with cellular calls). Failing that, there is >> a very limited range of frequencies allocated for cordless >> fones, and simply re-scanning for the conversation is a >> trivial inconvenience. //cerridwyn// >> > >Most of those systems do also change the order of the transmitted data, and >that's not limited to a few possibilities. If it's digital, they usually >encrypt it (only weak, but hey, you normally have to find the key real >time!) >> The key doesn't need to be found in real time! You can always record the call and decrypt it later. If the information deals with an event in the future, you could have plenty of time to crack it. G.C.G.

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(Don't laugh *too* hard now...) "Filter"software for moneylaundering
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Encoding: 17 TEXT Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 16:06:53 +-200 Reply-To: Law & Policy of Computer Communications <CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> Sender: Law & Policy of Computer Communications <CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> From: Andrzej Adamski <aadamski(a)CC.UNI.TORUN.PL> Subject: "Filter"software for money laundering Comments: cc: "comcri-l(a)man.torun.pl" <comcri-l(a)man.torun.pl>, "lacc(a)suburbia.net" <lacc(a)suburbia.net> To: Multiple recipients of list CYBERIA-L <CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> Sorry for cross-posting this message: Dear All, Are you familiar with any software or any listing of producers of software to be used in tracking money-laundering? If so, let me know. Regards, Andrzej Adamski Chair of Criminal Law & Criminal Policy Nicolas Copernicus Univwersity 87-100 Torun, Poland aadamski(a)cc.uni.torun.pl --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "'Bart Bucks' are not legal tender." -- Punishment, 100 times on a chalkboard, for Bart Simpson The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/

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RE: Implementing DSS Fortezza KEA
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- From: source@iaccess.za[SMTP:source@iaccess.za] Sent: Monday, July 29, 1996 7:05 AM To: coderpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Implementing DSS Fortezza KEA We have almost completed our SSL 3.0 implementation, and are looking for the specs on Fortezza DSS and KEA and would like to know where it is available. >From the US National Security Agency. As another respondee said, the details of KEA are not available, but information on implementation of the protocol is. It's in the public domain.

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call your rep
by L Jean Camp 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>the Senate commerce committee held its final >>hearing on Burns's bill yesterday with the appearance >>of FBI Director Freeh and Bill Reinsch at Dept of Commerce. >>The Senate committee would like to hold a mark-up on >>the bill (Pro-CODE) next week, but lack the certain votes of the members >>of the committee to do so. >> >>Expressions of support for S. 1726 to critical Democrats >>and Republicans are needed--especially: >> Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, 224-5344; Bill Frist, R-Tennessee >>224-3344; Spencer Abraham, R-Michigan 224-4822; Ernest >>Hollings, D-South Carolina, 224-6121; Daniel Inouye D-Hawaii >>224-3934; Wendell Ford D-Kentucky 224-4343; James Exon, >>D-Nebraska 224-4224; Jay Rockefeller D-West Virginia 224-6472; >>John Kerry D-Massachusetts 224-2742; John Breaux D-Louisiana >>224-4623; Richard Bryan D-Nevada 224-6244; Byron Dorgan >>D-North Darkota 224-2551. >> >>Calls are needed by Tuesday in order to schedule the mark-up. >>

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Re: Digital Watermarks for copy protection in recent Billbo
by Alex F 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Jim Choate <ravage(a)einstein.ssz.com> writes: > You want a continuous Fourier transform, not a discrete one, to > determine the frequency spectrum of the waveform being sampled. > The FFT is simply an algorithm for computing the DFT without > redundant computation. In general, any Lebesgue integrable > complex function will have a Fourier transform, even one with a > finite number of discontinuities. The reverse transform will > faithfully reproduce the function, modulo the usual caveats about > function spaces and sets of measure zero. > Well of course! My thoughts exactly. Great minds think alike. Now, would you mind doing a little translation (for the laymen), since I didn't understand? I appreciate it, Alex F =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Alex F alexf(a)iss.net Marketing Specialist Internet Security Systems =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

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Re: Publicly Verifiable Anonymous Voting System
by Arun Mehta 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:53 27/07/96 -0700, JonWienk(a)ix.netcom.com wrote: >Here is the how the voting system works. > >1. All voting information (public keys, ballots, ballot signatures, etc.) is >publicly available via a Web site or other similar means, and can be downloaded ... One problem with such a system is sheer complexity. Even an illiterate person must be convinced of the transparency of the system, i.e. that his/her vote "counts". In the conventional system, where you mark a piece of paper that goes into a locked box watched over by reps of the rival parties, which you can subsequently view being opened and processed, you intuitively understand how the system works. This was one of our arguments (not, admittedly, our strongest) against electronic voting when they sought to introduce it in 1989 for the Indian federal elections -- further details on http://www.cerfnet.com/~amehta/evmsunob.htm Arun Mehta Phone +91-11-6841172, 6849103 amehta(a)cpsr.org http://www.cerfnet.com/~amehta/ finger amehta(a)cerfnet.com for public key

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Re: your favorite poison recipes
by Vinnie Moscaritolo 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous writes: >Please post your favorite poison recipes to this mlist. I'd have to say Federal Match in.308, Lead poisoning -- Long distance. martian Minow writes: > >Rare roast beef, baked potato with plenty of butter, red wine. > Martin; last time I checked you were a trickle down vegaterian too. Vinnie Moscaritolo ------------------ "friends come and friends go..but enemies accumulate." http://www.vmeng.com/vinnie/ Fingerprint: 4FA3298150E404F2782501876EA2146A Expanded Recipient List:

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Re: A Libertine Question
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:21 PM 7/29/96, Charley Sparks wrote: >My opinions are just that, MINE but here's a question .. > >In the event that drugs are legalized like alcohol ( also a drug >) and tobacco and cafeine, who will take responsibility for >housing and feeding those, who are now blameless, individuals >who can't or won't take responsibility for themselves and work >or whatever. With freedom and liberty come a lot of >responsibility. Too many people today balme every damn thing in >the world for their problems - and get away with it.... "No one." Who takes responsibility when people fail to save enough of their paycheck to last them through the month? Who takes responsibility when people drink too much, miss work, and are fired? And so on. Drugs are no different from ethanol. We tried outlawing ethanol, and eventually came to our senses. Many of us--on all sides of the ideological spectrum--think the same is inevitable with other drugs. The issue of "who takes care of" people who can't hold their liquor, or who overeat, or who smoke too much, does not enter into the equation. (Though there are pathological examples of cases where insurance companies are trying to sue tobacco companies for the costs incurred because of smoking by policyholders. A bad, and, I think, dreadfully abusive, use of the court system.) --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: e$: The Demographic "Transaction" (was Re: Schelling Points...)
by Bart Croughs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At monday 29 july, Arun Mehta wrote: >As I see it, having more children makes sound economic sense when >you have child labor. You feed the child for 4-5 years, after >which it contributes financially to the family for the rest of >its short life. More stringent enforcement of anti child-labor >legislation would help. Increase in life expectancy is also good, >because then you need fewer children as insurance. The only effect of more stringent enforcement of anti child-labor legislation is to harm the children involved. You may think that the millions of families in Third World countries who are too poor to provide for their children, will be magically become rich enough to send their children to school once the anti child-labor legislation will be enforced. This is not the case. When the factories don't want the children anymore because of the government regulations, the children will simply be working in other places - at home, in the streets. And this is work that pays less. Child labour in the West didn't stop because of anti child-labour laws; it stopped the moment the people became rich enough to provide for their children, thanks to the capitalist revolution in the 18th & 19th century. The same path will have to be followed by the Third World countries today. >The spread of the Internet, and the ability to post anonymously >should help in exposing instances of violation of child-labor >laws, and increasing outrage. Hopefully, it will also make it >easier to spread literacy, which is arguably the best way to keep >population down. Instead of posting to the net to increase outrage about the violations of harmful child labour laws, you better begin posting to the net to increase outrage about the socialist governments in the Third World that keep their populations in poverty. I suggest you read the books of C. Nardanelli: 'Child labour and the industrial revolution' , and F. Hayek (ed): 'Capitalism and the historians'. Bart bart.croughs(a)tip.nl

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Re: Usenet Conference on Security
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:34 PM 7/26/96 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >As an aside, the stuff Datafellows is selling is, I believe, a >commercial version of SSH, which is very good stuff. Its a full >replacement for the whole berkeley "r" utilities using strong crypto >(public key and conventional) for authentication and privacy. Does >rlogin, rsh, redirects X sessions, slices and dices, etc. Really >spiffy. In addition to SSH, I also picked up a flyer for "F-Secure Desktop", a disk encryption package for Windows. Sorry I didn't pick up their "what we sell" flyer. You should be able to get that information from http://www.datafellows.com or f-Secure-sales(a)datafellows.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Cave ab homine unius lebri | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | [Beware the man of one | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | book] - Anonymous Latin | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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what's a weapon? (fwd)
by David Lesher 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

------- Forwarded Message ==================================================================== Newsletter of the IEEE Computer Society's TC on Security and Privacy Electronic Issue 16 July 28, 1996 Carl Landwehr, Editor Hilarie Orman, Assoc. Editor ==================================================================== ... Drawing an analogy with encryption and US ITAR, a poster reported that A piper is being taken to court for practicing on Hampstead Heath, which has a by-law forbidding music. Mr Brooks, the piper, has denied the charge. He claims he wasn't playing a musical instrument, but practicing with a weapon. In 1746 in England, bagpipes were declared to be instruments of war, not musical weapons, and a subsequent Act of Parliament specifically stated that they were weapons. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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Re: Feinstein wants controls on Internet, Books
by declan＠well.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Feinstein today introduced an amendment revisiting her 1995 net-censorship amendment tacked onto the anti-terrorism bill. Seeks to ban bomb-making info from the Net and is being marketed in those words, but is not Net-specific. -Declan >One of my senators, Senator Dianne Feinstein, is now arguing on CNN for >controls on information put on the Internet, on censorship of books and >articles describing how pipe bombs work, and for making it easier to get >wiretaps against those suspected of committing thought crimes. > >One or two more major incidents on top of the recent ones (World Trade >Center, Oklahoma City, Dharan, TWA 800, and Olympic Village) and I suspect >Congress will simply vote to repeal the Bill of Rights and just be done >with this whole experiment in liberty. > >--Tim May > >Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! >We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. >---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- >Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, >tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero >W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, >Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. >"National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: e$: The Demographic "Transaction"
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Before I get started, let me point out that the "demographic transition" is standard fare in sociology classes. Lots of stuff on the Web about it (do a search of that string with Alta Vista, for example, and you'll see 1000 hits). At 7:37 PM 7/29/96, Bart Croughs wrote: >At monday 29 july, Arun Mehta wrote: > > >>As I see it, having more children makes sound economic sense when >>you have child labor. You feed the child for 4-5 years, after >>which it contributes financially to the family for the rest of >>its short life. More stringent enforcement of anti child-labor >>legislation would help. Increase in life expectancy is also good, >>because then you need fewer children as insurance. > >The only effect of more stringent enforcement of anti child-labor >legislation is to harm the children involved. You may think that the >millions of families in Third World countries who are too poor to provide >for their children, will be magically become rich enough to send their >children to school once the anti child-labor legislation will be enforced. >This is not the case. When the (end quote...Bart, your lines are apparently way longer than 72-80 characters!) What I want is for the world's billions of children to have mandated benefits comparable to what the children of the elite in America have! And if there is not enough money to pay for this standard of living, we can just print more! (I would never let _my_ children, Biff and Buffy, interrupt their tennis camp experiences by working a job for less than what they will eventually earn as management coaches and wellness advisors, and I will work to ensure that children in Third World nations are not similarly disgraced by doing manual labor. And if they and their families go hungry as a result of my principles, they will have won the moral victory. And a few of them might even advance to the finals at Forest Hills!) --Tim May P.S. Since many on the CP list seem to miss signals, this piece reflects my views that the current outrage over "child labor" will merely end up killing a bunch of children who otherwise might have earned enough to eat. Food is not simply distributed for free, and if children cannot find work in Kathy Lee's Sweatshop Apparel Factory, and assuming that "tennis camps" are not the alternative, the effect of First World holy righteousness will be killing off a lot of these kids. Maybe not such a bad thing, given the 7 billion world population. Even better, of course, would be adopting a laissez-faire approach. Me, I wear linen/cotton shirts produced in Bangla Desh, probably by hordes of poorly-paid Bengalis. But, since the likely alternative for them is sitting in the mud swatting horseflies and watching the water buffaloes until starvation eventually claims them, I feel great about wearing "slave labor-produced" goods! And why can't we work to outlaw the "manufacturing sector jobs" in the U.S. economy, the ones that only pay $22 an hour for boring labor? After all, $22/hour is hardly enough to send Biff and Muffy to tennis camp, let alone the proper prep schools, let alone the $250K needed to send them to a good Ivy League school. These blue-collar workers are being exploited by the capital class and need to be liberated from these jobs. Let them eat cake. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: "Soft Targets" as Schelling Points
by eli+＠gs160.sp.cs.cmu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May writes: >The connection should be clear, but in case it is not: many soft targets >are Schelling points for terrorist actions. I see no coordination problem here. Schelling points are a useful concept when you have several actors, each of whom benefits from making the same choice as the others. Here, I think you want to say "soft targets are easy to attack". -- Eli Brandt eli+(a)cs.cmu.edu

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CBO study of electronic payment systems now on Web
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:16:31 -0400 From: PHILIP WEBRE <philipw.nrd(a)cbo.gov> To: rah(a)shipwright.com Subject: CBO study of electronic payment systems now on Web The new Congressional Budget Office study on electronic payment systems (ASCII or Word Perfect Formats available) is now available at: gopher://gopher.cbo.gov:7100/1 The Executive Summary Follows: July 1996 EMERGING ELECTRONIC METHODS FOR MAKING RETAIL PAYMENTS Financial intermediaries such as banks and credit card companies are developing products that will enable consumers and businesses to pay for retail, or small-dollar, purchases electronically. Increasingly cheaper computing power and advances in data communications technology have made those new payment methods possible. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) study Emerging Electronic Methods for Making Retail Payments examines the effect the new forms of payment will have on the market for retail payments and the issues they will raise for federal policy. The two primary types of payment being advanced for use in retail purchases are prepaid stored-value cards and on-line payments made with personal computers through the Internet. Stored-value cards will function much like prepaid mass transit or phone cards but could substitute for cash in small-dollar purchases. Payments proposed for use over the Internet will include both familiar and new methods. Familiar methods use existing credit cards and checking accounts that are suitably modified for secure on-line use. Breaking new ground, several companies have proposed or issued types of on-line scrip, which essentially functions like privately issued traveler's checks. This study assesses the market potential for stored-value cards and on-line payments by analyzing both the current use of cash in the economy and the specific markets commonly cited as likely candidates for such payment methods. An eventual market for stored-value cards of $20 billion yearly is not inconceivable but will develop gradually. The introduction of electronic payment methods raises a number of policy issues. Existing laws and regulations, for example, do not clearly cover some of the new methods, or cover them only under certain circumstances. Questions arise as to whether the balances of stored-value cards and on-line scrip will be covered by deposit insurance or be subject to reserve requirements, and whether consumers will be protected by current regulations that limit liability for unauthorized use of credit cards and electronic fund transfers. Even in areas that existing laws cover--such as antitrust policy and law enforcement against money laundering, fraud, and tax evasion--applying and enforcing those laws may be more difficult. Two major concerns are the effect of the new payment methods on monetary policy and the effect of having nondepository institutions issue them. Issuance by firms other than federally regulated depository institutions raises competitive issues and concerns about the safety and soundness of the financial system. Given the expected small size of the market for electronic payments, however, monetary policy and the financial system are unlikely to be seriously affected. Questions about the study should be directed to Judith Ruud or Philip Webre of CBO's Natural Resources and Commerce Division at (202) 226-2940. The Office of Intergovernmental Relations is CBO's Congressional liaison office and can be reached at 226-2600. For additional copies of the study, please call the Publications Office at 226-2809. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "'Bart Bucks' are not legal tender." -- Punishment, 100 times on a chalkboard, for Bart Simpson The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/

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Re: Secure drive?
by Geoffrey C. Grabow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:56 07/29/96 -0700, Alan Olsen wrote: >At 11:31 AM 7/29/96 -0400, you wrote: >>Greetings all, >> Does anyone know if the 1.4a version works correctly with Win95? If not, >>is there an updated version? If not, will there be one anytime soon? If >>not, will PGPLIB (aka PGP3.0) provide a similar function? If not... heck! > >My understanding is that is does. I need to test if the new version also >works with the Zip Drive. (It used to not, but it was supposed to get fixed...) > >I will be trying it soon and will post my results to the list... > > I assume that when you say that "it does", this means that I can access the encrypted drive from Win95. If so, can you tell me how. I have a 50mb partition that's encrypted and if I boot to DOS everything works perfectly, but from Win95, the drive is always encrypted. I've tried entering my passphrase prior to Win95 loading... no effect. If I try to enter my pp from a DOS box, it says that the SECTSR isn't loaded, but MEM says that it is. Any thoughts? G.C.G. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Geoffrey C. Grabow | Great people talk about ideas. | | Oyster Bay, New York | Average people talk about things. | | gcg(a)pb.net | Small people talk about people. | |----------------------------------------------------------------------| | PGP 2.6.2 public key available at www.pb.net/~wizard | |----------------------------------------------------------------------| | That which does not kill us, makes us stranger. - Trevor Goodchild | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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2nd CDA decision in....
by David Lesher 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Just heard: Us folks 2, Ralph Reed & the Thought Police, 0. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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Re: Secure drive?
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I assume that when you say that "it does", this means that I can access the >encrypted drive from Win95. If so, can you tell me how. I have a 50mb >partition that's encrypted and if I boot to DOS everything works perfectly, >but from Win95, the drive is always encrypted. I've tried entering my >passphrase prior to Win95 loading... no effect. If I try to enter my pp >from a DOS box, it says that the SECTSR isn't loaded, but MEM says that it >is. Any thoughts? Sort of. Open "Control Panel." Open "System." Click the "Performance" tab. Click the <V>irtual Memory radio button. Check/select "Let <m>e specify my own virtual memory settings." Check Di<s>able virtual memory (not recommended). Click the "OK" radio button. Ignore the warning dialog box which appears and click "Yes." Reboot WIN95 and your encrypted partition should be accessible (if you log into it under DOS before loading Windows), and all your drives will be operating at 16-bit speeds. DCF

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Re: DES-Busting Screen Savers?
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:28 AM 7/24/96 -0700, Steve Reid wrote: >On the subject of choosing keys randomly, rather than dividing up the >keyspace... > >This seems like a very good idea to me. > >One potential problem is actually choosing the random keys. Have to be >able to get entropy at a fast rate, and/or use a good PRNG. I think you chose your starting place in the key space and then proceed sequentially from there. However, if it turns our that gray code increments of the key can reduce the key setup time, then you would want to use that ordering of the key space for the "next" key to try. Another possibility is to work in randomly chosen blocks of 1000 to 1,000,000 or so keys. This approach would reduce the cost of getting good random numbers to manageable levels. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Cave ab homine unius lebri | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | [Beware the man of one | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | book] - Anonymous Latin | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Parsing JYA; now others?
by Damaged Justice 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Say, Duncan - you can do John Young, but can you make any sense of this? >From: doghead(a)psyclone.com (Blowjob Jesus) Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.misc Subject: Re: ! Blacklist Spammers and Rogue ISP's !!!!!!!!!! Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 01:08:56 GMT Organization: The Mighty Psyclone - Gonna Blow Yer Mind Lines: 56 Message-ID: <31f6c6d2.439333(a)news.alpha.net> References: <4t59aq$3n0(a)park.interport.net> Reply-To: doghead(a)psyclone.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.46.104.253 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 On Wed, 24 Jul 96 13:41:28 GMT, tonyb(remove this garbage to email me)(a)interport.net (tony brower) wrote: >Conventional response to spam is completely ineffective. Farflung was the offense, easy is the time spent drinking salad dressing. Christian Dior, well-known parking ticket, adds his pickle fork. >Nothing currently prevents the abuser from getting another account in >another name and continuing the practise. Wendigo spake in gruff pebbles, like unto a Timex! Reginald Denny left the room with scanners on full auto. >Even ISP's spam their adverts across newsgroups. Freedom, paged in 4k chunks, permeates UDP. There never was a governor. The double nickle blowed up good. >Why can't people who spam and otherwise abuse Usenet for commercial purposes >be blacklisted? Approved for your convenience, in sterile jello molds. The Lawnboy nods assent. >e.g. after first warning, no more accounts allowed from that Credit Card or >other payment source. The sun, a gaseous ball of tomato paste and model trains, is lost among clouds of thankfullness. >Why can't providers who refuse to curtail abuse from their customers also be >blacklisted and shut out from the net? >e.g. If ISP's are held responsible for abuse by their customers they'll >enforce nettiquette ("abide by the rules or lose your account here and >anywhere for one year"). Irresponsible ISP's will lose customers to those >ISP's who care. Hell, let them make their own net for cycling and recylcing >commercial, make money fast and sex #'s posts. OJ Simpson skirvined the net and was clarified. When failed and not sanguine, there was no response to the 'sturm und drang.' >Isn't this the fastest way to clean out all the junk that has permeated the >newsgroups posted by inconsiderate, greedy assholes (who have NOTHING to fear >by conventional response)? Response time is minimal. Lost among oceans of billiard balls made of styrofoam - tiny marmots build complicated nests of velveeta. Regroup? --

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RE: A Libertine Question
by jbugden＠smtplink.alis.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I find it funny that I'm considered Conservative by most people who know me. Your opinion may vary. ;-) tcmay(a)got.net wrote: >Who takes responsibility when people fail to save enough of their >paycheck to last them through the month? Who takes responsibility when >people drink too much, miss work, and are fired? And so on. One common thread in many of these discussions is the ease with which moral judgements are made about the situation: "fail to save", "drink too much". I know the social psychology explanation that people who view the world as ordered attach these types of judgements to situations which violate their ordered view of the world. "She was just asking for it dressed like that..." However, now I'm puzzled. From what I've read of Tim May, he does not hold such an orderly view of the world. The "rules" of existence may prove to be deterministic, but the results are chaotic. So Tim, where are these moral judgments coming from? >The issue of "who takes care of" people who can't hold their liquor, or >who overeat, or who smoke too much, does not enter into the equation. Think of how many of our laws are being enacted that tacitly make being poor or indigent a crime. Curfews being a recently discussed example. If the equation is one of economics, then "who takes care of" people does indeed enter the equation. I suggest that it is more economical to provide for a minimum quality of life- if only as a form of insurance for myself. Think: Rawls. The alternative is to have garbage collectors to "take care of" those that fall behind. Think: Soylent Green. Better twisted than bitter, as Tiny Tim Cratchet used to say. James

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