December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

EMR Threat of RS-232 Cables
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks to Steve Schear we've put a 1990 article on eavesdropping on RS-232 cable emanations which parallels van Eck's work on VDUs. "The Threat of Information Theft by Reception of Electromagnetic Radiation from RS-232 Cables" By Peter Smulders, Dept of EE, Eindhoven University of Technology Smulders notes that this type of emanation can disclose information, such as passwords, that does not appear on VDUs. And that cable shielding does not always prevent snooping. http://jya.com/rs232.pdf (367 kb)

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No Subject
by aga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, 22 Dec 1996, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: you honkies do not understand this, but this is what I grew up with. will you muthafuckin cyberpunks PLEASE learn to spell; the word is "NIGGAZ" > Apparently-To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Precedence: bulk > > Punks, > > Nawh nigga, yous don't want dem udder foo's to be able to read jo > mail! What da hail?! Don'chew see it now? Dis's anutha foam of > kryptografee! > > Da reason we be doin' dis shit is dat so dem basta'ds out dere > who be wantin' in on ours konversayshun can't be gettin' in. > > See?! Now what foo' ass cracka muthafucka can be readin' dis > shit at a decent clip? Shit! Can't none of 'em! De only problem is dat > it be takin' too long to put in dees apo-straphees. If we gots rids ofs > dems, dens we'ds haves a much easia' time of doin' dis shit. > > Why don't one you cleva' boyz come up wit some kinda editor dat > crossreferences (oops, too many syllables) wit dat phat ass ebonics > dikshunary at EBONIC.ORG? Den jus' give da dikshunary only to dose > people who you be wantin' to read jo shit. > > Yeomsayn'? Hilary Clinton can't be readin' dis shit! Can't > nobody else ova dere in D.C. Us niggas here in Compton been down wit dis > phat ass kryptografee fo' a long ass time. How do you tink dat us > gangstas is all still around? We be talkin' shit ev'y night on da co'na, > but can't none da fuzz be translatin' so we's frees tos dos whateva' we's > wantin's tos dos. > > Yo, jus' lemme quote my phat ass nigga dogg Method Man befo' I go: > > "I'm slammin' niggas like Shaqueel, dis shit is real, > When it's time to eat a meal, I rob and steal, > Cuz mom ain't givin' me shit, > So for da bread an' butta I leave niggas in da gutta, > Wherde 'the mutha, I'm dangerous, > Crazia' den a bag o' fuckin' angel dust, > When I bus' my gat, muthafuckas take dirt naps, > I'm all dat, wit a dime sack and a payback!" > > Dag! Dat shit's phat, dogg. > > > > > > ************************************************************************** > # Gangsta J # "Dead bodies pile up, an' it's plain to see, # > # j(a)hardcore.gangsta.com # it's because o' me. I'm the girl killa, the # > # Brownsville ghetto # throat slitta, the cunt rippa" - J # > ************************************************************************** > this muthafucker has a sick sig. keep all fuckin replies to the mailing list ONLY.

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the word is "NIGGAZ"
by aga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, 22 Dec 1996, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: you honkies do not understand this, but this is what I grew up with. will you muthafuckin cyberpunks PLEASE learn to spell; the word is "NIGGAZ" > Apparently-To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Precedence: bulk > > Punks, > > Nawh nigga, yous don't want dem udder foo's to be able to read jo > mail! What da hail?! Don'chew see it now? Dis's anutha foam of > kryptografee! > > Da reason we be doin' dis shit is dat so dem basta'ds out dere > who be wantin' in on ours konversayshun can't be gettin' in. > > See?! Now what foo' ass cracka muthafucka can be readin' dis > shit at a decent clip? Shit! Can't none of 'em! De only problem is dat > it be takin' too long to put in dees apo-straphees. If we gots rids ofs > dems, dens we'ds haves a much easia' time of doin' dis shit. > > Why don't one you cleva' boyz come up wit some kinda editor dat > crossreferences (oops, too many syllables) wit dat phat ass ebonics > dikshunary at EBONIC.ORG? Den jus' give da dikshunary only to dose > people who you be wantin' to read jo shit. > > Yeomsayn'? Hilary Clinton can't be readin' dis shit! Can't > nobody else ova dere in D.C. Us niggas here in Compton been down wit dis > phat ass kryptografee fo' a long ass time. How do you tink dat us > gangstas is all still around? We be talkin' shit ev'y night on da co'na, > but can't none da fuzz be translatin' so we's frees tos dos whateva' we's > wantin's tos dos. > > Yo, jus' lemme quote my phat ass nigga dogg Method Man befo' I go: > > "I'm slammin' niggas like Shaqueel, dis shit is real, > When it's time to eat a meal, I rob and steal, > Cuz mom ain't givin' me shit, > So for da bread an' butta I leave niggas in da gutta, > Wherde 'the mutha, I'm dangerous, > Crazia' den a bag o' fuckin' angel dust, > When I bus' my gat, muthafuckas take dirt naps, > I'm all dat, wit a dime sack and a payback!" > > Dag! Dat shit's phat, dogg. > > > > > > ************************************************************************** > # Gangsta J # "Dead bodies pile up, an' it's plain to see, # > # j(a)hardcore.gangsta.com # it's because o' me. I'm the girl killa, the # > # Brownsville ghetto # throat slitta, the cunt rippa" - J # > ************************************************************************** > this muthafucker has a sick sig. keep all fuckin replies to the mailing list ONLY.

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Re: Language (Was:Re: Ebonics)
by camcc＠abraxis.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:03 PM 12/21/96 -0800, you wrote: :[snip] :If you read my complete post, you would note that I made a distinction :between "twang" (i.e., slurring words) Twang is _not_ slurring words; twang is speaking with a nasal accent. A good example is the principal's secretary in "Ferris Buhler's Day Off." Thanks, y'all. Cordially, Alec PGP Fingerprint: Type bits/keyID Date User ID pub 1024/41207EE5 1996/04/08 Alec McCrackin <camcc(a)abraxis.com> Key fingerprint = 09 13 E1 CB B3 0C 88 D9 D7 D4 10 F0 06 7D DF 31

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National Cryptologic School Press
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A WaPo review today of a new book on military intelligence during the Civil War, cites the author's background in NSA and as director of the agency's National Cryptologic School Press. Are the publications of this press public? Anyone have an address? Access to a catalogue. Any other info? There's another, on-line, review of the book at: http://www.bookpage.com/9609bp/nonfiction/thesecretwarfortheunion.html

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Re: DES implementation in C
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Eric Young wrote: > On Fri, 20 Dec 1996, Peter Trei wrote: > > > So yet again my dislike of doing assember has been justified. One just > > > needs a good compiler and be willing to put in the correct C code :-). > > > While I know the asm is faster, the C compiler does a better job of > > > the chaining between the 16 inlined inner loops. [snippo] If you could produce a 100% 'C' version, with in-line provisions for replaceable 'C' or assembler functions, and insure that there is no significant performance loss for having this portability, then you could at least issue the 100% 'C' code for any machine or O/S. This would make a lot of people happy if the application has wide interest. Is this possible, even if it's more work?

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Re: Executing Encrypted Code
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:41 PM 12/21/96 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: >And don't forget that internal nodes of microproceessors can be "tapped" >with an electron beam voltage contrast system. Some steps can make this >much harder, but the principle is still that internal states are capturable. >--Tim May Within the last week or two, I read (somewhere?) of a new system to analyze chip behavior that utilized tiny amounts of light momentarily emitted from FET channels during switching. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Slaughter
by Timothy N. Hill 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- According to Bartlett's, this is attributed to Martin Niemoeller (1892-1984): In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up. [John Bartlett, _Familiar Quotations_, ed. by Justin Kaplan (16th ed.; Boston: Little, Brown and Company; 1992), p. 684] - Tim -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.7.1 iQCVAwUBMr2NAy62DQeAyFc9AQH1TgP/RXoMa4e5Ub+u8H4vBYuRL+lPrefU02B1 qov3PSmAzyHu9tGYWuKG4vIVEZfpQe9Wi6OgJh7bLoAnFN3g+umd9CJ6psc7DC3p P3iEEwgaY+9zQ4oX3L9+79DEhlPFiH4RUbjEGOo31d1Rj3gOGRhNXPVdVCNA/tTf H3jbKL9yvpU= =qp1r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Timothy N. Hill <tnh(a)acm.org> Wellesley, Massachusetts <http://www.ma.ultranet.com/~tnh/> +1 617 235-2902 PGP F058F75D 99C5122F 21C5BEF5 620C1D3C

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Off topic litter on Cyperpunks
by Lurker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What has happened to cypherpunks? I joined this mailing list more recently than many others who recieve it, but most reacently it has gone downhill. The descriptions I have read (and I have read many) all state that this list is deadicated to the discussion of cryptography issues. Where the hell is the discussion about cryptography? Three fourths of the messages I have been recieving are off topic (Ebonics and "Slaughter"). If I wanted to read about current events and holocost I would have joined groups that were specified for discussion of those.

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No Subject
by Jean-Lou Dupont 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Legality of requiring credit cards?
by Michael Gurski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- It's that wonderful season again, when all the assholes are out in force, and people feel obligated to purchase merchandise to give to each other. For various reasons, I don't believe in credit cards, and yet, trying to pay for something by personal check at the local Hecht's, they either *require* a credit card, or go through the Nazi check-warranty company Equifax. However, it doesn't stop there...only SOME departments seem to have this requirement (Electronics/Luggage not requiring). Is it legal to require credit cards? |\/|ike Gurski mgursk1(a)umbc.edu http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mgursk1/ finger/mail subject "send pgpkey"|"send index" Hail Eris! -><- O- |Member, 1024/39B5BADD PGP Keyprint=3493 A994 B159 48B7 1757 1E4E 6256 4570 | Team My opinions are mine alone, even if you should be sharing them. | OS/2 Senate Finance Committee Chair, SGA 1996-1997 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: I am not a number, I am a free man! iQCVAwUBMr2dZiKEMrE5tbrdAQGNEwQAjxsj387SAbEQnGr+8j0z12cWpREK/Y8U e5xCYMMwJ6J+rLip05nZ8uMHfY/anfGW5m2mMrvsVOggMh5Sv9Ljrw3u4uFl66B5 yU3iU3couXIZx5Dv1QhGdOSZPRpIo7wZGwCGtF4z9TM+cUzEUzA8LMDgavG8fY0D T+yrGuzhSzg= =aQ97 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: the word is "NIGGAZ"
by jlucas4＠capital.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Actually the word is "niggus." "Niggaz" is the white man's nasal rendition of this term. It can alos be spelt "niggas," but this form implies a different context. context. "Niggus" is used often within gangsta rap music in an effort to rhyme with difficult words when no other way can be found. "Niggas" would be referring to other black fellows in a friendly way. More or less. Gangsta J ************************************************************************** # Gangsta J # "Dead bodies pile up, an' it's plain to see, # # j(a)hardcore.gangsta.com # it's because o' me. I'm the girl killa, the # # Brownsville ghetto # throat slitta, the cunt rippa" - J # **************************************************************************

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Re: Ebonics
by Mark Rosen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Just saying someone has a Southern "accent" is prejudicial and ignorant. > It's true that anyone, Southern or otherwise, can slur words so they're > not clear, but on averages, Southerners who speak clearly with their > native inflections and pronunciations are easier to understand than your > typical Yankees, whose speech is generally thin, nasal and rather pinched- > sounding. Yeah. But I can't understand people with Southern Accents therefore I won't hire them. > People talked about hate in the South in the 1960's. What a crock. > Apartheid, sure, no doubt about that. But hate, well, I grew up in > the North and I lived for a few years in the deep South, and the people > in the South don't hate like the Yankees do, on average. Wow. You must read completely different history books than the rest of the world. > If you want to see how hate works, look how the big-media organizations > have descended on Southern radio and TV and have been telling them that > they speak wrongly, and that Southern "accents" are something to be > ashamed of. Damn the liberal media! (That was a sarcastic statement - do you know how right-wing that sounds).

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Ebonics
by Mark Rosen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I would like to conclude this Ebonics issue. The main problem is understanding. Some people have bad accents, either Southern or Ebonic, both of which are often difficult to understand. I am not disputing the fact that everyone should learn a standard language, but I object to the racial undertones of the messages - that black people are stupider than white people, and gross ignorance of environmental conditions. Whatever. Mark Rosen FireSoft - http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/2690 Mark Eats AOL - http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/6660

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Re: Ebonics
by Mark Rosen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > No. Speaking in Ebonics is the same as speaking with an accent. You can't > > control their expression; you learned to speak with a Southern accent as a > > child, while other people learned to speak with an Ebonic accent (?). By > > condoning speaking in a Southern accent, you condone speaking in Ebonics. > > Whatever rational basis your arguments may have had were eradicated by the > ludicrous logical conclusion drawn above. Hehe. What I mean to say is that since both Ebonics and a Southern accent are learned during early childhood, you have no control over how you talk. You can't penalize someone for speaking the way they were taught. > > I can't understand thick Southern accents. No matter how smart you are, > > I'm not going to hire you because I can't understand you. How do you feel? > > Oh so sad. Let me make this clear, an accent is far different from > grammatically incorrect speech. I can speak with grammatic perfection and a > drawl so heavy it'll make your eyeballs hurt. Yeah. I thought the issue was understanding in the workplace; no matter how gramatically correct your are, I can't understand you and so I won't hire you.

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Re: Ebonics
by Matthew J. Miszewski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 05:04 PM 12/21/96 -0800, Jamie Lawrence wrote: >Are you honestly arguing that a system of communication >acknoledged and taught in a public school is satisfying >a 'need or desire to communicate in a private way"? Actually I meant my tongue to be relatively firmly in cheek. However, some sub-cultures from which ebonics comes did have a need and desire to communicate quickly and privately. >Or that Ebonics has anything to do with communicating >in the presence of a police officer? Often times in some areas of this country, people distrust the police. They do form ways of communication that is not easily understood to avoid what they see as police interference. I am not defending use of communication privacy techniques in the name of the four-horsemen but... > >Or that either of the above has anything to do with crypto? > As Tim and others have said repeatedly, there is no on/off topic here. Want pure code goto coderpunks; want moderation goto cryptography. I am just trying to counter some of the statements made here. Sometimes people view cpunks as some sort of borg-like mind with no dissidents. I sometimes reply to let people know that might not be so... Matt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCUAwUBMr2ztLpijqL8wiT1AQFZHAP43SqA3CGpt46zs8esSYNPvw3Iyf/No2y6 7yQ1ij2UN/jD2rFh8CPJE+MS59YOlXiItsBDQLZoGJRhWS/dVJ8LHkeMvZHwHD1l Yf01COkpB6K7HMj0pFjVvdpigbekWzGrTh5juIRg/xhkLhUqJJfN5eWlgif29Fnd EzgHGGBBQA== =QyMm -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Ebonics
by Matthew J. Miszewski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Sorry to quote so much, in this case it seemed necessary. At 04:07 PM 12/21/96 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: >At 5:49 PM -0600 12/21/96, Matthew J. Miszewski wrote: > >>Are you talking about the School Board requirements? Are you still in High >>School, Tim? ;-) I have never heard you speak of children, so you might >>have a valid complaint if you have them in public schools (although home >>schooling is still an option). > >The principle is of interest to even those without schoolaged children! >Neither having schoolaged children nor living in the Oakland Public School >System district is a necessary condition for commenting on the foolishness >of "Ebonics" and other such scams. Only the most naive of commentators says >things like "If your children were not cannibalized by Jeffrey Dahmer, why >do you feel the need to comment on Dahmer?" > >(Sorry, Matthew, but I'm losing any remaining respect for your rhetorical >skills. I used to think we just disagreed politically, now I see more is >involved.) I apparently need to use those twirpy smiley faces more often (see above). I meant that to be funny which I guess it wasnt. One of your (Tim) prior posts clarifies much. That you hold out absolutely no hope for democracy actually lets me in on why you express yourself now like you do. My memory is that you werent always so clear in your expressions of disgust; this memory comes from several non-derogatory uses of the term "suits" when it came to cpunk political action in the past. I agree that democracy has myriads of flaws, but still hold out some hope for change. My comment about such inflaming language was of disappointment because Tim almost single-handedly helped me reconsider many of my traditional political thoughts. It is difficult sometimes to get past the anger in current posts (although I do understand and respect Tim's ability to be absolutely honest about his views which is refreshing.) Matt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMr22JbpijqL8wiT1AQHbIQQAhX7pj5JqkG55pWkexxn5qRMmlhme44lo ZsHXsfVNWhon2gqPBUvQT7BDEXJvTiiPGcfaAYL5GZV5FqpDOnuvyEBUOWwCoajK oFBHTgHeLL90MRi+py+k5rtofz5wA68M9LDqnNlIsISeTeq9vefBbGmeNIq3mrnv d/eqocuU1aM= =A/LN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Ebonics
by Matthew J. Miszewski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>You're confusing issues. As with similar confusions about "right to work" >(where the putative conflict is between Alice's right to hire whom she >chooses and Bob's putative "right to a job"), the confusion lies in what >one calls a right. I assume you are talking about right-to-work labor laws, in which case, it does not refer to the above. It has to do with union-membership (which you more than likely similarly disagree with...) I agree that there is rampant abuse of the word/idea of "rights" in this country and around the world. I similarly think that many political disagreements can be boiled down to this problem. >And just where did anyone in any of these posts call for outlawing any >particular language, pidgin, slang, creole, jive, or invented lingo? I was actually joking, Tim. My original response was sent before I knew of the Oakland initiative. I do not hail from California, the land of Proposition XXX, and find some of them silly. You do advocate the unemployment of people who do utilize such a dialect/language. And I do fear that many people subscribe to your line of thinking. So I do respond to some of your posts earlier than I sometimes should to present a different point of view. >Really, Matt, go back to Rhetoric 101 and learn how to argue. That's a good argument. Do they teach that ad hominem stuff in that class? ;-) Matt

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Re: Ebonics
by Matthew J. Miszewski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 08:30 PM 12/21/96 -0500, Mark M. wrote: >I never said that the government should force people to speak a certain >language. You are missing the main point: How do you expect to communicate >with an employee who can't speak any language that you can understand? It's >not arbitrary at all. In fact, it's rather simple. I have apparently been excrutiatingly unclear in my last post (tired folks should stay away from their terminals). I wasnt refrencing governmental action, but rather a flaw in some principles. I believe that the line of thought that we should all speak "proper" english leads to anti-libertarian results. What has been missing from my posts is the link to the chain of english-as-an-official-language regulation. Tim's argument for the ability to communicate is somewhat reasonable in an employment context (although it depends largely upon the employment). When it is couched in the terms of his post, it makes the link to the chain of reasoning above much easier to make. Matt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMr28prpijqL8wiT1AQH70AP/TV7qcy3y26yeH+eNvm9MVBY0NfuBGokC uHS1NxpiIxl6NUTXIZTHKjlOd/pGM8JBgV6fp+7o+iruiJWBhE6mql+d/NAWjDiz RLJ8brwuy0sqG98GrwCKHjsc6Bf88v+DcxHxAs92uEqJ6aKeEuqXiITFwKrC9xjf euZxnLm0q6w= =OEgE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Ebonics
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:30 PM 12/22/96 -0500, Mark Rosen wrote: > Hehe. What I mean to say is that since both Ebonics and a Southern accent >are learned during early childhood, you have no control over how you talk. This is not true. The recent commentary and interviews I've seen on this subject make it clear that the people speaking "Ebonics" are quite capable of speaking in standard English, and do so when they find it, er, convenient. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: that cyber holiday card...
by Carl Johnson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Gary Raynes wrote: > > Teri Zuckerman <tzuckerman(a)hampshire.edu> wrote: > > > > To whomever sent that electronic card... I fwd. it to a friend of mine, and > > now it's wrecking his hard drive! please respond... > > > > -Teri > > Wow! I'm sorry. I did check it for a virus with 2 different anti-virus > programs before I sent it to anyone. > I'll see what I can find out about it and get back to you . > Has anyone else had any problems like that? > Gary R.

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Re: Slaughter
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:12 AM 12/22/96 -0800, Dale Thorn wrote: >Carl Johnson wrote: >> Dale Thorn wrote: > >> Thanks, I love the quote but can't find it or it's source. Perhaps I >> can put it all together in bits and pieces. > >As long as we're getting closer on that one, I thought I'd add my own >twist on another famous (but obnoxious) quote: > >The standard version: >God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; >The courage to change the things I can; >And the wisdom to know the difference. (quote not necessarily exact). > >My version: >God grant me the wisdom to know the difference between right and wrong; >The courage to support those who I feel are doing the right things, > and to oppose those who are doing the wrong things; >And the serenity to do so as peacefully as possible. Another, increasingly popular, variety of the AA "prayer" is: God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; The courage to change the things I can; And the firepower that makes the difference. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred Make your mark in the history of mathematics. Use the spare cycles of your PC/PPC/UNIX box to help find a new prime. http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm

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RE: The Ebonic Plague
by James Bugden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

blancw(a)cnw.com wrote: >From: Timothy C. May > >Democracy has run amok in this country. There is no hope for reforming >at the ballot box, as democracy only makes things worse. Only a crypto >reign of terror can purge this land of the scum. >...................................................... > >Just how would this take shape in "real life" - what would constitute this >reign of terror; how do you envision such an event in action? > >And which are the scum who would be purged? > >Blanc Scum - you know - it's like crap - it's the stuff that floats to the top. Or is that the cream? Sucks Syntax! Anarchy Rules! Merry Christmas! James jbugden(a)alis.com "pride and selfishness, when combined with mental power, never want for a theory to justify them-and when men oppress their fellow-men, the oppressor ever finds, in the character of the oppressed, a full justification for his oppression." Frederick Douglass, 1854

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unsuscribe kwit@iap.net.au
by kwit＠iap.net.au 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

unsuscribe kwit(a)iap.net.au

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Re: [NOT NOISE] Microsoft Crypto Service Provider API
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:36 AM 12/18/96 -0800, geeman(a)best.com wrote: > >Microsoft had to agree to validate crypto binaries against >a signature to make sure they weren't tampered with, in >exchange for shipping crypto-with-a-hole. They will >sign anything (theoretically) if it has the export >papers and all. Or without, if you affadavit it is not >for export. > >They do not themselves impose any restrictions on crypto >strength. >I'm not expressing political position here, just conveying facts .... What if the software involved was IMPORTED? Moreover, is legal to export just the signature? Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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