December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: CDT Policy Post 2.15 - Legislation Challenges Clinton's Grip on US Crypto Policy
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> The Center for Democracy and Technology Volume 2, Number 15 >Among other things, the "Pro-CODE" would: >* Allow the export of "generally available" or "public domain" > encryption software such as PGP and popular World Wide Web browsers > without requiring NSA authority. > >* Allow the export of encryption hardware and software not available in > the "mass market" or "public domain" under an export scheme that would > allow up to roughly DES-strength (i.e., 56 bit key-length) security. > if a product of similar strength is commercially available from a > foreign supplier What, exactly, is the point of such a provision that would limit key length? Since the classifications of encryption export software seem to allow any keylength, why should there be an exception for others? I think they should give specific examples of hardware or software whose export would not be allowed, and more particularly an explanation why an exception is needed in those cases. We really need to know what they're thinking about, here. It isn't obvious why, and generally I've found that whenever laws carve out exceptions, there are substantial reasons for those exceptions, although not necessarily "good" reasons. Notice, for example, that there appears to be a distinction between hardware and software. (although, in the bill, it does list both hardware and software.) As we all should understand, the distinction ought to be meaningless, but one of our goals should be to allow the unrestricted export of good-encryption telephones which have their encryption done in hardware. That doesn't appear to be the case, and I think this is a telling limitation. The law will practically guarantee that no factories to build good crypto phones get sited in the US. However, a look at the actual bill shows nothing which specifically limits things to 56-bit keys, although it seems to make an unusual distinction, allowing exports "in any foregin country to which those exports of computers software and computer hardware of similar capability are permitted for use by financial institutions..." The problem, as I see it, is that this is practically an open invitation to foreign countries to pass laws which are specifically intended to restrict encryption. We should not be encouraging them to do this. Some explanation is definitely in order! BTW, that brings us to another issue: The bill should specifically prohibit restrictions on the IMPORTATION of any kind of encryption systems, either hardware and software. >* Prohibit the government from imposing mandatory key-escrow encryption > schemes domestically, or from restricting the sale of commercial > encryption products within the United States Redundant. The 1st amendment should already do this. I have no objection to them re-stating Constitutional protections, but it should label them as such. >* Prohibit the Department of Commerce from imposing government designed > standards for encryption technologies (such as Clipper and Clipper > II). Ditto. But more importantly, I think it ought to be prohibited from even _encouraging_ the use of such systems, which as we all know the government can do by abusing its power. It should be prohibited from spending any money to develop those standards, as well as prohibiting government from encouraging the use of those standards, etc. All in all, a substantial improvement over the Leahy bill, but it could still use a little work. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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VTW: Senate attacks Clinton encryption export policy
by Shabbir J. Safdar 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

======================================================================== __ _________ __ \ \ / /_ _\ \ / / Voters Telecommunications Watch \ \ / / | | \ \ /\ / / (vtw(a)vtw.org) \ V / | | \ V V / May 2, 1996 \_/ |_| \_/\_/ Redistribute only until 5/28/96 SENATORS FIRE BROADSIDE SALVO AT CLINTON ADMINISTRATION'S HEINOUS AND ANTIQUATED ENCRYPTION EXPORT POLICIES Please widely redistribute this document with this banner intact until May 28, 1996 ________________________________________________________________________ CONTENTS The Latest News Chronology of the 1996 Crypto Bills For More Information ________________________________________________________________________ THE LATEST NEWS Today, a core contingent of the US Senate proposed legislation that would free public domain software such as Phil Zimmerman's PGP (Pretty Good Privacy), allow for the export of products that have competitive encryption abroad, and limit the government's ability to propose another Clipper-style standard. The latest proposal, sponsored by Sen. Burns (R-MT) is the third in a series of bills this year that blatantly attack the Clinton Administration's policies of restricting the export of encryption that is already found outside the United States. Text of the legislation is now available on http://www.crypto.com/ and http://www.vtw.org/ as soon as we get it. In another bold move, Senators Conrad Burns (R-MT) and Patrick Leahy (D-VT) have scheduled online chats to discuss this legislation with the people who understand the issue the best: the net community. As a part of the Whistlestop96 campaign by VTW and CDT (Center for Democracy and Technology) to bring members of Congress in touch with the net community during the 1996 campaigns, Senators Burns and Leahy will be attending live online chat sessions on HotWired and America Online. The schedule as currently available is: Sen. Burns America Online, News Room auditorium: Monday May 6, 9pm EST Hotwired: Monday May 13, 9pm EST Sen. Leahy America Online: date not yet available Hotwired: date not yet available In addition, volunteers have begun maintaining a resource page at http://www.crypto.com/ with a corresponding mailing list for encryption policy news. You can subscribe to it from the WWW page http://www.crypto.com/ or by sending mail to majordomo(a)panix.com. ________________________________________________________________________ CHRONOLOGY OF THE 1996 ENCRYPTION BILLS May 2, '96 Bi-partisan group of Senators introduce PRO-CODE Act, which would free public-domain encryption software (such as PGP) for export, free much commercial encryption for export, and reduce the government's ability to push Clipper proposals down the throats of an unwilling public. Original sponsors include: Senators Burns (R-MT), Dole (R-KS), Faircloth (R-NC), Leahy (D-VT), Murray (D-WA), Nickles (R-OK), Pressler (R-SD), and Wyden (D-OR). Mar 5, '96 Sen. Leahy (D-VT) and Rep. Goodlatte (R-VA) introduce bills to liberalize cryptography exports. Cosponsoring this legislation on the Senate side at Sen. Burns (R-MT) and Sen. Murray (D-WA). On the House side are the following cosponsors: DeLay, Campbell, Eshoo, Moorhead, Doolittle, Barr, Ewing, Mica, Everett, Bono, Lofgren, and McKeon. ________________________________________________________________________ FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT ENCRYPTION Encryption Policy Resource Page: http://www.crypto.com/ Voters Telecommunications Watch: http://www.vtw.org/ Internet Privacy Coalition: http://www.privacy.org/ ========================================================================

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Re: proposed anti-pseudospoofing law in Georgia
by Rich Burroughs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:52 PM 5/2/96 -0700, "Vladimir Z. Nuri" <vznuri(a)netcom.com> wrote: [snip] >this proposed law in Georgia >would make it illegal to have a login name other than >your legal name, as I understand it. [snip] More than proposed. It was signed by Gov. Zell Miller on April 18, and is now the law in GA. see http://www.clark.net/pub/rothman/ga.htm and http://www.gahouse.com/docs/whatsnew/parsons.htm Rich ______________________________________________________________________ Rich Burroughs richieb(a)teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~richieb See my Blue Ribbon Page at http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/blueribbon New EF zine "cause for alarm" - http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/cause

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unsescribe
by HardWorkingStudent 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: [Fwd: Cylink can export 128-bit DH?]
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:55 AM 5/2/96 -0700, Ian Goldberg wrote: >Bill Frantz <frantz(a)netcom.com> wrote: >>As far as I know, DES is DES, domestic or export. If your DES >>interoperates with domestic DES (or popular implementations available on >>non-US servers), then you have DES. > >Not quite. CDMF key shortening was designed by IBM to shrink a 56-bit DES >key to 40 bits, suitable for export. See AC2, page 366. I heard a rumour >that CDMF is in SET, but I'm not sure how much that makes sense. I can find no evidence in Draft 2/23/96 of SET for 40bit DES keys. (BTW, I would not call CDMF DES, but this may be merely quibbling.) On page 31, it says, "The DES key format follows FIPS 46: it contains 56 bits of keying material and eight optional check bits." Since SET is very careful to not deal with anything but the financial aspects of online commerce, they can probably get a license for export under the current rules. (SET only includes a SHA hash of the "contract", calculated by both the cardholder and the merchant in its encrypted content. Both versions must match for the transaction to be authorized.) Regards - Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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"Scruffies" vs. "Neats"
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

PREFACE I haven't written many essays lately...something about having several hundred or more of them on this list over the past three and a half years makes writing another one less urgent for me. But I've been thinking a lot about the interesting discussion we are having over the Java security issues and basic security model for running applets, and note some similarities with similar approaches in AI (artificial intelligence). I think it important that people here not "firmly commit" to positions they may have to change, as this leads to a "sticking coefficient" that retards changes (note that I am not commenting on which positions may need to change!). No one language is the end-all and be-all of programming, nor is any one approach the inevitable winner. But it certainly behooves us to think about likely future (and current) computing platforms. (We've done this many times, as with discussions a few years ago about which environments to put effort into...we had advocates of Emacs, Eudora, Perl, TCL, Safe-TCL, the clipboard of Mac and Windows systems, pure text only, and so on. In fact, an extensive poll was taken--by Eric Hughes, I believe--in November 1992, with the conclusion that at least a dozen major choices were popular, with none having a share over 10%.) So, it is a mistake to assume that I am making a "primate display" of supporting Java. At this point, and with having seen many fads come and go, my strong hunch is that "Web plus browsers plus applets plus Java" is likely to become the main choice of many people. (I am hardly alone in this judgment, natch. Any look at the trade press, the stock market, the shelves of new books, etc., will confirm this. But just because something is popular does not mean it is not in fact the likely future.) And I am sure that even the critics of various aspects of this model--including the studies of Java security--see this same scenario unfolding. I view their criticisms as being necessary and helpful, though I tend to dismiss the conclusions of some that the model is so deeply flawed that it should be discarded completely and a new model and/or language should be awaited....this just ain't gonna happen anytime soon. (The thrust of this essay is not how and why new computing paradigms spread, so I won't get into my views on this. Suffice it to say that historically the world has gotten a major new model (paradigm) no more than twice a decade, and usually only once per decade. Left as an exercise is what those have been.) SCRUFFIES AND NEATS On to "scruffies" and "neats." The AI world had two main camps, according to a popular view. The "scruffies" and the "neats." The scruffies believed intelligent behavior in a program would likely only come from gobs and gobs of code. They believed in cobbling together apps as quickly as possibly, racing out into the new landscape of computing and rigging something up to work. Loosely speaking, they favored hacking Lisp until something worked...a checkers program (a la ur-hacker Greenblatt), a vision system, a robot, etc. Scruffies like messy desks, because they like to be blasted with lots of random inputs, lots of unrelated ideas and concepts, and "inspiration." More recently, the scruffies have embraced neural nets, emergent computation, stochastic computing, genetic algorithms, and similar buzzwords. The recent work on "subsumption architectures" (a la Brooks) and agent architectures is consistent with viewpoint (though elements of logic are of course involved). (These are all gross overgeneralizations, caricatures, to clearly show what the polar viewpoints are.) The neats, on the other hand, believed that logic rules. Epitomized by Newell and Simon, and by the early Winograd, they believed intelligent behavior would come when the logical principles of thought could be found and implemented in a programming language. Much of the work on theorem proving and logic programming came out of this camp. According to the caricature (and caricatures can be useful, even if overstated), the neats have neat desks, work in neat languages, and favor mathematical rigor. (Of course, not all neats are neat. Some are scruffy, as Ted Kaczynski shows!) SCRUFFIES AND NEATS IN SECURITY The "security neat" believes in applying rigor to security. Machines and languages should be "provably secure." (Better yet, machines should be "provably correct," a la Viper, and operating systems and languages should produce provably correct code.) The "security scruffy" believes things are moving too quickly to insist his machine must be Orange Book top-rated, or that his OS must be fully secure....in fact, he doubts that such definitions have real meaning. [Aside: This polar caricature overstates things, as I said earlier. For example, even the "security scruffies" are not in favor of bad cryptographic code, of seriously-flawed PGP implementations, or of Java applets that can reach into user files and read or corrupt them. And even the security neats use machines hooked up to networks rather than running programs in some secure kernel on a machine locked in a secure room....] The scruffies believe that it may ultimately produce more overall security (not to mention producing interesting other results!) to race out into the new terrain, to establish outposts and colonies.... Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Conrad_Burns@burns.senate.gov: Open Letter to Internet Community From Senator Burns
by Perry E. Metzger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Yes, I know this will probably be forwarded five hundred times. However, I thought I ought to try to be the first. ------- Forwarded Message Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 19:39:04 -0400 From: Conrad_Burns(a)burns.senate.gov To: Multiple recipients of list <com-priv(a)lists.psi.com> Subject: Open Letter to Internet Community From Senator Burns OPEN LETTER TO THE INTERNET COMMUNITY May 2, 1996 Dear friends: As an Internet user, you are no doubt aware of some of the hurdles the federal government has put up that limit the growth and full potential of exciting, emerging technologies. One of the most egregious of these has been the governmentally set limits on so-called "encryption" technologies. Today I am introducing a bill to address this major problem for businesses and users of the Internet. If the telecommunications law enacted this year is a vehicle to achieve real changes in the ways we interact with each other electronically, my bill is the engine that will allow this vehicle to move forward. The bill would promote the growth of electronic commerce, encourage the widespread availability to strong privacy and security technologies for the Internet, and repeal the out-dated regulations prohibiting the export of encryption technologies. This legislation is desperately needed because the Clinton administration continues to insist on restricting encryption exports, without regard to the harm this policy has on American businesses' ability to compete in the global marketplace or the ability of American citizens to protect their privacy online. Until we get the federal government out of the way and encourage the development of strong cryptography for the global market, electronic commerce and the potential of the Internet will not be realized. The last thing the Net needs are repressive and outdated regulations prohibiting the exports of strong privacy and security tools and making sure that the government has copies of the keys to our private communications. Yet this is exactly the situation we have today. My new bill, the Promotion of Commerce On-Line in the Digital Era (Pro-CODE) Act of 1996, would: - Allow for the unrestricted export of "mass-market" or "public-domain" encryption programs, including such products as Pretty Good Privacy and popular World Wide Web browsers. - Require the Secretary of Commerce to allow the unrestricted export of other encryption technologies if products of similar strength are generally available outside the United States. - Prohibit the federal government from imposing mandatory key-escrow encryption policies on the domestic market and limit the authority of the Secretary of Commerce to set standards for encryption products. Removing export controls will dramatically increase the domestic availability of strong, easy-to-use privacy and security products and encourage the use of the Internet as a forum of secure electronic commerce. It will also undermine the Clinton Administration's "Clipper" proposals which have used export restrictions as leverage to impose policies that guarantee government access to our encryption keys. The Pro-CODE bill is similar to a bill I co-authored with Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont, except that it highlights the importance of encryption to electronic commerce and the need to dramatically change current policy to encourage its growth. My bill does not add any new criminal provisions and does not establish legal requirements for key-escrow agents. Over the coming months, I plan to hold hearings on this bill and encourage a public debate on the need to change the Clinton Administration's restrictive export control policies. I will need your support as we move forward towards building a global Internet that is good for electronic commerce and privacy. I look forward to working with the Internet community, online activists, and the computer and communications industry as this proposal moves through Congress. I'd like to hear from you, so please join me on two upcoming online events to talk about the new bill. The first is on America Online in the News Room auditorium at 9 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time on May 6. The second will be on Hotwired's Chat at 9 p.m. EDT on May 13. In the meantime, I need your help in supporting the effort to repeal cryptography export controls. You can find out more by visiting my web page http://www.senate.gov/~burns/. There you will find a collection of encryption education resources that my Webmaster has assembled. I trust that the entire Internet community, from the old-timers to those just starting to learn about encryption, will find this information useful. This bill is vital to all Americans, from everyday computer users and businesses to manufacturers of computer software and hardware. I very much look forward to working with you on this issue. Conrad Burns United States Senator ------- End of Forwarded Message

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Burns Bill
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A quick read thru the text of the bill (via http://www.cdt.org/crypto/) shows none of the principle objectionable features of the Lehey bill. (Standards for key escrow agents, and additional criminal penalties for using encryption to hinder an investigation.) This bill has some obscure, to me, exceptions. The most troubling of which I think means (IANAL) that export can be restricted if there is a reasonable expectation that the hard/software will be reexported to one of the countries on the extreme bad boys list. This provision could possibly be construed to affect FTP sites, but in any case, it is not clear how passage of the bill could possibly make things worse. Its provisions preventing the Secretary of Commerce from developing standards for anyone except government agencies, and forbidding mandatory GAK/key escrow are very welcome. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: EET on PGP API Quash
by minow＠apple.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> ... the State Department is taking > an increasingly hard line on PGP. Where once the State had > restricted itself to warning developers against exporting > source code with PGP file-encryption routines, it is now > arguing that application programming interfaces (API) > allowing PGP program insertion should be subject to control > under arms-trading statutes. It would seem that any computer system that permits the use of an externally-supplied computer program (i.e., Windows, DOS, MacOS, Unix, Java, Microsoft Word macro languange) would fall under this restriction. I wonder how much thought went into this decision. Martin Minow

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17 Dec '03

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encrypted Unix backup software
by VaX#n8 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Okay, before you flame me and tell me to pipe it through a symmetric cipher filter, hear me out. Tape handling is hairy, depending on what kind of functionality you want. A regular filter may write(2) in strangely sized blocks, not working very well with your tape drive. Mostly though, things get difficult when you have to/want to deal with multiple tapes. Although I could probably hack up "catblock" to do the job, and use a line of the form dump -0uBf ... | symmetric_cipher | catblock blockfactor > /dev/tape if there exists something which already does this job, or something like it, I'd like to know. Now that I think about it, maybe this is the cleanest way. PS: If there is a place where I can get reviews of the crypto software that is out there, that'd be fab because csua just has a TON of stuff! The "security-faq" is pretty good -- I want more! :) Keep codin'

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17 Dec '03

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What allowed me to be earning $10,000 A MONTH INCOME IN 11 MONTHS was the good fortune I had in finding suppliers who would sell me products that were in high demand, and training in this system step-by-step so even I could understand it! These TRADE SECRETS are what we are willing to pass on to you. What is required from you is the burning desire to make some changes in your life, and a willingness to be teachable. SUCCESS TAKES EFFORT Now if you are looking for some get-rich-quick scheme that guarantees all the money you can dream of with no effort, I'm sorry to tell you this is the real world where those promises usually end up getting you in trouble one way or another. However, if you are like I was and are used to an honest day's work but aren't used to a generous day's pay, this MIGHT be for you. I say "might" because not everybody who wishes for success has the determination to stick to a plan of action until they are a success. That is why so many Americans accept a small paycheck from someone who is willing to organize themselves! When you cash a mediocre paycheck you are in effect agreeing, when you endorse the check, that your time and labor are only worth that small amount. What I learned from this experience is that contrary to what we have all been taught, the money you make in life has nothing to do with fairness, hard work, formal education, or years on the job. What does increase your ability to earn above average money is the ability to adapt to a different direction when the road you are on is not leading you to your desired destination. Why continue in frustration doing the same things over and over again when they have never produced results for you in the past? Wouldn't it be better to try something new than to keep hitting your head on the same brick wall over and over? The quality I observed in truly successful people is that they have the ability to adapt. They spend 5% of their time identifying the problems they face, and 95% of their time finding solutions. Most of us have the equation backwards. We spend 95% of our time complaining about our problems while 5% of our energy, if we are lucky, is spent on finding new solutions! ! So what are our options? If you listen very hard you might hear the sound of some people throwing these pages in the garbage. The result is that they may continue making the same decisions that led them to the dead end they find themselves in today. Some of these are wonderful people, but they just don't have the ability to adapt and change. You might call this the dinosaur mentality that leads to the extinction of the realization of their hopes and dreams. The other option is to follow a proven method of change that may be new and challenging in the beginning, but has the ability to produce the results that you wish for your life. LET'S START NOW If this would work for you, what would you use the extra money and freedom of time for? I suggest you take the time right now to make a "Dream" list. If money wasn't an obstacle, what would you do in your life? Allow yourself to dream the "impossible" and write it down. If you are one of the small percentage of people who took the time to actually do this, congratulations! You just took an important first step toward changing your life. Many people who didn't, or stopped reading this book long ago were screened out and their options are no better than when they received this material. Think of it this way - when you were a child you could dream about how you wanted your life to turn out easily, couldn't you? Then as you experienced life most of us have been beaten up pretty badly at certain points. The result is that many people stopped allowing themselves to DREAM. They became afraid to be disappointed yet again. What helped me was associating with people who ARE a success, and allowing their successful habits and thinking to influence me. But one step further than this was to actually have those people help me start my own business. I also had them available as a resource to help me refine my efforts so I was working smarter not harder! You may obtain useful information from reading self-help books, but try to get the author of those books to actually help you build your business. With our system, you are never just on your own! FOLLOW THROUGH MAKES DREAMS A REALITY Now, the next part of making your dreams a reality is to FOLLOW THROUGH with directed activity that can create the situation you want in your life. You can do that when you finish reading this book by phoning the number you will find at the end of this letter. Again, the people who do can take further steps towards a better future, while the rest are screened out. But if you've followed along this far, you ALREADY TOOK your first steps, and now you can use that momentum to get you to your goals! Let me tell you about some people I have had the pleasure of working with, and how they have used this system for themselves ... MINDY Mindy is a single mom who was a real estate broker. She made great money but she was burnt out and tired of assuming the personal liability for what others did. She used to cry many times at night because the burn-out led to both professional and personal problems that devastated her financially. She didn't know how to do anything else that would allow her to earn a decent living and still be involved with her son's schooling and daily activities. At that time in her life Mindy responded to some information similar to what you are reading. At first she hesitated, but her anxiety and frustration pushed her to leave "no stone unturned" in her pursuit to build a better future for her family and ease the financial pressures. She followed all the instructions she received and by the end of the first month she had earned $4,500. In less than one year her monthly income was over $8,000 a month. Today she earns $12,000 to $15,000 consistently each month and is free from the stresses she had been under. Working at home, Mindy can now spend as much time as she wishes with her family. JACK AND JEAN Jack and Jean live in North Dakota and are close to retiring. Jack works for the railroad and Jean works for the government in a program that provides subsidies for farmers. As is the case with most people retiring, their pension income won't provide the lifestyle they dreamed of throughout their careers. Also, Jack's health wasn't great and he wanted something constructive to work on after his retirement. But they didn't want something so time-consuming that they couldn't enjoy themselves or take frequent vacations. They found their answer in this little booklet! Their first month they earned $1,243 and by their third month, they were earning over $1,600 per month consistently - that's over $400 per week PART TIME! By their eleventh month our system was generating another $350 per month residual income for Jack and Jean. The extra $350 is mailbox money - that is money that comes automatically as a result of business built in the past! As a part of our system, there is a retirement program built right in. As a matter of fact, I retired myself for one year, and currently I am only 42 years old! BOB That's me! Yes, after 11 months I was earning $10,000 per month income - now it's over $25,000 per month and I retired for a year. Sounds unbelievable? I sometimes have a hard time believing it myself! And it happened to me! I also traveled to Europe and several Caribbean islands for extended periods of time, and now live by a beautiful lake in Orange County, California. With our system, you can also expand your business around the world and be one of the people doing business in many countries as they open up for trade with the U.S. Remember the old saying, "Choose a job that you love and you will never have to work a day in your life." You will have more fun and satisfaction in this adventure than you can imagine. YOU MUST DECIDE Now is the time for you to decide about your future. Are you going to continue down the same road you have been traveling? Or are you willing to make a positive change in your life by trying something new? Remember, "For things to change in your life you've got to change, for things to get better you've got to get better." - Jim Rohn You have to make the decision to take the next step. You have already gone so far in completing this book, why not allow yourself the things you want out of life by following through with a phone call? What do you have to lose? More importantly, what do you have to gain? Opportunity ignored seldom returns again. Don't let your dream lifestyle pass you by like millions of others who will have to go to work tomorrow with no hope of ever achieving what they truly desire, and retire to old age, poor health, and a feeling that they somehow missed something incredible in their lives! All it takes is a simple phone call. With a little effort and the ability to be teachable, we can definitely show you how to be successful with our system. You will have a personal mentor who will work with you step by step, and show you exactly how you too can build a successful home-based business without unacceptable risks. Who knows, maybe someday you will be sharing the secrets of how you built an incredible lifestyle with those who are still just - WORKING for a living! I look forward to hearing from you and working with you personally. Sincerely, Bob Anderson WOULD YOU LIKE TO RECEIVE CHECKS LIKE THESE IN YOUR MAILBOX? * 12/15/96 -- $12,429.35 (royalties) * 12/20/96 -- $13,406.77 (bonuses) * 01/15/96 -- $12,292.15 (royalties) * 01/20/96 -- $13,702.09 (bonuses) "THOUGHTS DETERMINE WHAT YOU WANT ... ACTION DETERMINES WHAT YOU GET!" MAKES YOUR DREAMS REALITY CALL: 1-801-350-8718 (P.S. - for payment, the "name on the book" that the recording refers to is Michael Bishop. This name appears on the postal direct mail version.)

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Re: Sen. Patrick Leahy's PGP key now avail.
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:36 PM 5/2/96, Will Rodger wrote: >Wanna write the good Senator on the occasion of his newest bill? His pub >key's out there. (URL is http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-commands.html#submit/ >) Why does anyone need his public key to communicate with Senator Leahy? If it's for sender-anonymity, this does not do it, though other tools (remailers) do. Unless the information is "secret," why bother? It adds extra time at his office's end (you don't think Leahy types in his password to PGP do you?), and it accomplishes little. >From a personal viewpoint, I'm glad my key is no longer very accessible. I used to get PGP-encrypted messages which had no earthly reason to be encrypted, except that people apparently wanted to practice their PGP skills. (For those who sent me items that had a reason to be encrypted, you know who you are and you know this comment does not apply to you.) --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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INTERNATIONAL COMPANY SEEKS HELP!!
by 09188466＠hydra.com.au 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

<HTML><PRE><BODY BGCOLOR="#000000"> Hello! We are a multi-billion dollar per year international company that is looking for serious, teachable, motivated people who want to start a business from their home. We are not looking for people who are unemployed and looking for a job. We need people who want to spend time with their families while making a substantial amount of money. If this describes you, please read on! Take a few minutes to read the following booklet very carefully right now. This booklet has been extraordinarily successful in both direct mail and e-mail form and has absolutely been the answer to many peoples' dream of freedom to work around their families/children, AND having complete control over their lifestyle and income. All you need to do to begin is carefully read the information and follow the instructions. This is a Direct Marketing program that will have interested people contacting you. You do not need any special schooling; training is provided and no experience is necessary. If you are teachable and motivated and would like to earn income from home, then we want to get you started TODAY. Unlike most Work-at-Home "opportunities", this is not envelope stuffing or home assembly where the work is hard and the compensation is low. This is a very lucrative business opportunity that has allowed me to almost double my income in the last year! It is very important that you read the booklet thoroughly so that you may begin the training on how this program works. It will describe the smart way to make money and keep it. After reading the booklet, there will be a phone number for you to call that will put you into a short recording that will ask you to leave your name and address in order to receive our startup materials which you will have 30 days to inspect. The materials cost only $39.00 and are fully guaranteed to be exactly what you are looking for or your money is refunded. PLEASE NOTE: Because of our tremendous success and the overwhelming response to our advertising, we can afford to be picky about who we choose to work with to make a lot of money - for this reason, you are going through this screening process of reading the book and calling the number. Many people who are just "tire-kickers" will not get that far - this is exactly what we want. By the time you call and order the startup information, we will know that you are one of the serious ones who ARE teachable and motivated. It is you that we want, not the people who get screened out because they are lazy or not teachable enough to follow these simple instructions. I can only encourage you with all my heart to not get screened out! You are sitting on a gold mine as you read this letter. After you follow the instructions in the booklet, you will be put in contact with a local person to help you and guide you through your new way of life. This person will help you start your new, exciting future! Sincerely, M. Bishop WORK FORM HOME E-MAIL BOOKLET WORK FROM HOME!! TAP INTO A $427 BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY THAT WANTS YOU! LET US SHOW YOU HOW! IMAGINE ... YOUR FUTURE ... You live in the home of your dreams You drive the car of your dreams You experience the vacation of your dreams, with your family You love what you do every day ... You are happy ... WE CAN TAKE YOU THERE!! Dear Friend, Have you ever driven by a mansion and wondered how somebody could possibly afford to live there, and not be doing something illegal? Or seen people having a leisurely lunch at a lavish restaurant as you rush back to work after eating fast food? How can people living in the same country, with the same education, and the same skills, be living such different lives? Many of us try to live a little better by using finance companies to buy things we couldn't otherwise afford. I had a real eye-opening experience when I bought some furniture. The salesman told me it was "90 days same as cash". When it didn't look like I could pay the money back in 90 days, they told me it was no problem, I could make payments. Then I read the fine print and almost fell over when I realized they were going to charge me 29% interest! Another sad fact is he percentage of money saved or invested in our country. We rank last in the western world in terms of money in savings, and first in terms of credit card debt. Think of what would happen if anything happened to you, and your family had to take on your financial situation right now. If you think you are safe with the credit card protection offered by the card companies, read the fine print. They only pay the minimum each month which again only covers the interest! The finance companies win again. DID YOU SAVE $12,000 LAST YEAR? $1200? $120? ANY? How much will you have saved in the next five years? If things don't drastically change, you can double your last five years savings amount and you will have your answer. For most people, that is not a pleasant prospect. But say you are one of the lucky people who have some savings, and you look forward to living off the interest in retirement, well!!.. WHAT ABOUT RETIREMENT? Did you know that it takes a bank account of over $250,000 earning at least 5% interest to provide a monthly income of about $1,150? That is roughly the welfare allowance of a single mother of four! When do you think you'll have your $250,000 in the bank? And in 10 to 20 years will you pay the electric bill or the phone bill with $1,150 per month? If this sounds drastic, the reality is even worse. What about the medical bill emergencies that may pop up? They usually become more frequent as you get older. What to people do? Do you want the truth? 95% die broke after working 40 years. U.S. NEWS & WORLD REPORT wrote, "Many people will need to keep earning a paycheck into their 70s! It's too late for them to save enough to quit working at 65." Consider this. The Bureau of Labor Statistics revealed that out of 100 people who start working at age 25, by the age of 65 ... * 1% Are wealthy * 4% Have adequate capital for retirement * 3% Are still working * 63% Are dependent on Social Security, friends, relatives or charity * 29% are dead How does $40,000 per year sound? If you wish to retire with this income, it would take $1.9 Million in tax-deferred accounts to provide that income if a 35-year-old today would retire at age 65!! That means you would have to be able to save $3,333.33 PER MONTH starting now! Can you possibly save that kind of money with your current income? And imagine what $40,000 will be worth in 30 years. That income would probably keep you at poverty level in the year 2027. SO WHAT'S THE ANSWER? The answer is usually simpler than you might think. Unless you inherited a large sum of money or hit the lottery, people with an above average lifestyle usually work for themselves! Here is the breakdown of who controls the most percentage of wealth in America ... * 74% PEOPLE WHO OWN THEIR OWN BUSINESS * 10% Top executives and CEOs * 10% Professionals like doctors and lawyers * 5% Sales People * 1% Everyone else! Those figures used to make me mad because I used to be in the 1% category! I worked as hard as I could for 40-60 hours per week and all I did was make someone else more money. Then I looked at the percentage of taxes I was paying, and I realized it was higher than the percentage others paid who were making ten times what I was! The reason was I couldn't write anything off if I worked for someone else. ALL my income was taxable. I soon understood that the laws and the odds in America favored those who ran their own businesses. My first problem was, I had no business training or experience, and secondly I was broke! At that time in my life the only job I had held was as an electrician and my wife Candace's experience came from being a secretary in the construction business. My confidence level to make a change in my life was zero. On the positive side, I was mad about how unfair it all seemed. This anger finally got me into ACTION when the right opportunity presented itself. I GET MY CHANCE! My life changed when a friend of mine shared the information you are getting in this booklet. What he presented to me was a turnkey work-at-home business that I could start with the skills and money I had, and have immediate success, so I was encouraged to continue. With the power of our advertising and mail-order system, I didn't even have to know anybody in my local area! In the first month, I earned $1,735.60 profit part-time from my home. By my eleventh month I made over $10,000 a month, and now for five years my income working from home has been steady and is currently over $25,000 PER MONTH! At this point you might think, "Oh, this can't be true - all of these things are a scam" or "These things only happen to other people." Well I'm here to tell you not only am I one of those "other" people, but I have trained many of those other people who are now living the life of their dreams. Many of them have EXACTLY YOUR background. YOU CAN DO THIS! THE SECRET IS OUR SYSTEM The key to our success lies in our SYSTEM. As I said before, this is a turnkey work-from-home mail order system. Our system provides goods and services to people who are searching for exactly what we have. The mail order business is a 427 billion dollar a year industry, and all forms of direct sales are predicted to double in the next 5 - 7 years! The growth potential is unlimited! What allowed me to be earning $10,000 A MONTH INCOME IN 11 MONTHS was the good fortune I had in finding suppliers who would sell me products that were in high demand, and training in this system step-by-step so even I could understand it! These TRADE SECRETS are what we are willing to pass on to you. What is required from you is the burning desire to make some changes in your life, and a willingness to be teachable. SUCCESS TAKES EFFORT Now if you are looking for some get-rich-quick scheme that guarantees all the money you can dream of with no effort, I'm sorry to tell you this is the real world where those promises usually end up getting you in trouble one way or another. However, if you are like I was and are used to an honest day's work but aren't used to a generous day's pay, this MIGHT be for you. I say "might" because not everybody who wishes for success has the determination to stick to a plan of action until they are a success. That is why so many Americans accept a small paycheck from someone who is willing to organize themselves! When you cash a mediocre paycheck you are in effect agreeing, when you endorse the check, that your time and labor are only worth that small amount. What I learned from this experience is that contrary to what we have all been taught, the money you make in life has nothing to do with fairness, hard work, formal education, or years on the job. What does increase your ability to earn above average money is the ability to adapt to a different direction when the road you are on is not leading you to your desired destination. Why continue in frustration doing the same things over and over again when they have never produced results for you in the past? Wouldn't it be better to try something new than to keep hitting your head on the same brick wall over and over? The quality I observed in truly successful people is that they have the ability to adapt. They spend 5% of their time identifying the problems they face, and 95% of their time finding solutions. Most of us have the equation backwards. We spend 95% of our time complaining about our problems while 5% of our energy, if we are lucky, is spent on finding new solutions! ! So what are our options? If you listen very hard you might hear the sound of some people throwing these pages in the garbage. The result is that they may continue making the same decisions that led them to the dead end they find themselves in today. Some of these are wonderful people, but they just don't have the ability to adapt and change. You might call this the dinosaur mentality that leads to the extinction of the realization of their hopes and dreams. The other option is to follow a proven method of change that may be new and challenging in the beginning, but has the ability to produce the results that you wish for your life. LET'S START NOW If this would work for you, what would you use the extra money and freedom of time for? I suggest you take the time right now to make a "Dream" list. If money wasn't an obstacle, what would you do in your life? Allow yourself to dream the "impossible" and write it down. If you are one of the small percentage of people who took the time to actually do this, congratulations! You just took an important first step toward changing your life. Many people who didn't, or stopped reading this book long ago were screened out and their options are no better than when they received this material. Think of it this way - when you were a child you could dream about how you wanted your life to turn out easily, couldn't you? Then as you experienced life most of us have been beaten up pretty badly at certain points. The result is that many people stopped allowing themselves to DREAM. They became afraid to be disappointed yet again. What helped me was associating with people who ARE a success, and allowing their successful habits and thinking to influence me. But one step further than this was to actually have those people help me start my own business. I also had them available as a resource to help me refine my efforts so I was working smarter not harder! You may obtain useful information from reading self-help books, but try to get the author of those books to actually help you build your business. With our system, you are never just on your own! FOLLOW THROUGH MAKES DREAMS A REALITY Now, the next part of making your dreams a reality is to FOLLOW THROUGH with directed activity that can create the situation you want in your life. You can do that when you finish reading this book by phoning the number you will find at the end of this letter. Again, the people who do can take further steps towards a better future, while the rest are screened out. But if you've followed along this far, you ALREADY TOOK your first steps, and now you can use that momentum to get you to your goals! Let me tell you about some people I have had the pleasure of working with, and how they have used this system for themselves ... MINDY Mindy is a single mom who was a real estate broker. She made great money but she was burnt out and tired of assuming the personal liability for what others did. She used to cry many times at night because the burn-out led to both professional and personal problems that devastated her financially. She didn't know how to do anything else that would allow her to earn a decent living and still be involved with her son's schooling and daily activities. At that time in her life Mindy responded to some information similar to what you are reading. At first she hesitated, but her anxiety and frustration pushed her to leave "no stone unturned" in her pursuit to build a better future for her family and ease the financial pressures. She followed all the instructions she received and by the end of the first month she had earned $4,500. In less than one year her monthly income was over $8,000 a month. Today she earns $12,000 to $15,000 consistently each month and is free from the stresses she had been under. Working at home, Mindy can now spend as much time as she wishes with her family. JACK AND JEAN Jack and Jean live in North Dakota and are close to retiring. Jack works for the railroad and Jean works for the government in a program that provides subsidies for farmers. As is the case with most people retiring, their pension income won't provide the lifestyle they dreamed of throughout their careers. Also, Jack's health wasn't great and he wanted something constructive to work on after his retirement. But they didn't want something so time-consuming that they couldn't enjoy themselves or take frequent vacations. They found their answer in this little booklet! Their first month they earned $1,243 and by their third month, they were earning over $1,600 per month consistently - that's over $400 per week PART TIME! By their eleventh month our system was generating another $350 per month residual income for Jack and Jean. The extra $350 is mailbox money - that is money that comes automatically as a result of business built in the past! As a part of our system, there is a retirement program built right in. As a matter of fact, I retired myself for one year, and currently I am only 42 years old! BOB That's me! Yes, after 11 months I was earning $10,000 per month income - now it's over $25,000 per month and I retired for a year. Sounds unbelievable? I sometimes have a hard time believing it myself! And it happened to me! I also traveled to Europe and several Caribbean islands for extended periods of time, and now live by a beautiful lake in Orange County, California. With our system, you can also expand your business around the world and be one of the people doing business in many countries as they open up for trade with the U.S. Remember the old saying, "Choose a job that you love and you will never have to work a day in your life." You will have more fun and satisfaction in this adventure than you can imagine. YOU MUST DECIDE Now is the time for you to decide about your future. Are you going to continue down the same road you have been traveling? Or are you willing to make a positive change in your life by trying something new? Remember, "For things to change in your life you've got to change, for things to get better you've got to get better." - Jim Rohn You have to make the decision to take the next step. You have already gone so far in completing this book, why not allow yourself the things you want out of life by following through with a phone call? What do you have to lose? More importantly, what do you have to gain? Opportunity ignored seldom returns again. Don't let your dream lifestyle pass you by like millions of others who will have to go to work tomorrow with no hope of ever achieving what they truly desire, and retire to old age, poor health, and a feeling that they somehow missed something incredible in their lives! All it takes is a simple phone call. With a little effort and the ability to be teachable, we can definitely show you how to be successful with our system. You will have a personal mentor who will work with you step by step, and show you exactly how you too can build a successful home-based business without unacceptable risks. Who knows, maybe someday you will be sharing the secrets of how you built an incredible lifestyle with those who are still just - WORKING for a living! I look forward to hearing from you and working with you personally. Sincerely, Bob Anderson WOULD YOU LIKE TO RECEIVE CHECKS LIKE THESE IN YOUR MAILBOX? * 12/15/96 -- $12,429.35 (royalties) * 12/20/96 -- $13,406.77 (bonuses) * 01/15/96 -- $12,292.15 (royalties) * 01/20/96 -- $13,702.09 (bonuses) "THOUGHTS DETERMINE WHAT YOU WANT ... ACTION DETERMINES WHAT YOU GET!" MAKES YOUR DREAMS REALITY CALL: 1-801-350-8718 (P.S. - for payment, the "name on the book" that the recording refers to is Michael Bishop. This name appears on the postal direct mail version.)

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Open Letter to Internet Community From Senator Burns
by Conrad_Burns＠burns.senate.gov 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

OPEN LETTER TO THE INTERNET COMMUNITY May 2, 1996 Dear friends: As an Internet user, you are no doubt aware of some of the hurdles the federal government has put up that limit the growth and full potential of exciting, emerging technologies. One of the most egregious of these has been the governmentally set limits on so-called "encryption" technologies. Today I am introducing a bill to address this major problem for businesses and users of the Internet. If the telecommunications law enacted this year is a vehicle to achieve real changes in the ways we interact with each other electronically, my bill is the engine that will allow this vehicle to move forward. The bill would promote the growth of electronic commerce, encourage the widespread availability to strong privacy and security technologies for the Internet, and repeal the out-dated regulations prohibiting the export of encryption technologies. This legislation is desperately needed because the Clinton administration continues to insist on restricting encryption exports, without regard to the harm this policy has on American businesses' ability to compete in the global marketplace or the ability of American citizens to protect their privacy online. Until we get the federal government out of the way and encourage the development of strong cryptography for the global market, electronic commerce and the potential of the Internet will not be realized. The last thing the Net needs are repressive and outdated regulations prohibiting the exports of strong privacy and security tools and making sure that the government has copies of the keys to our private communications. Yet this is exactly the situation we have today. My new bill, the Promotion of Commerce On-Line in the Digital Era (Pro-CODE) Act of 1996, would: - Allow for the unrestricted export of "mass-market" or "public-domain" encryption programs, including such products as Pretty Good Privacy and popular World Wide Web browsers. - Require the Secretary of Commerce to allow the unrestricted export of other encryption technologies if products of similar strength are generally available outside the United States. - Prohibit the federal government from imposing mandatory key-escrow encryption policies on the domestic market and limit the authority of the Secretary of Commerce to set standards for encryption products. Removing export controls will dramatically increase the domestic availability of strong, easy-to-use privacy and security products and encourage the use of the Internet as a forum of secure electronic commerce. It will also undermine the Clinton Administration's "Clipper" proposals which have used export restrictions as leverage to impose policies that guarantee government access to our encryption keys. The Pro-CODE bill is similar to a bill I co-authored with Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont, except that it highlights the importance of encryption to electronic commerce and the need to dramatically change current policy to encourage its growth. My bill does not add any new criminal provisions and does not establish legal requirements for key-escrow agents. Over the coming months, I plan to hold hearings on this bill and encourage a public debate on the need to change the Clinton Administration's restrictive export control policies. I will need your support as we move forward towards building a global Internet that is good for electronic commerce and privacy. I look forward to working with the Internet community, online activists, and the computer and communications industry as this proposal moves through Congress. I'd like to hear from you, so please join me on two upcoming online events to talk about the new bill. The first is on America Online in the News Room auditorium at 9 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time on May 6. The second will be on Hotwired's Chat at 9 p.m. EDT on May 13. In the meantime, I need your help in supporting the effort to repeal cryptography export controls. You can find out more by visiting my web page http://www.senate.gov/~burns/. There you will find a collection of encryption education resources that my Webmaster has assembled. I trust that the entire Internet community, from the old-timers to those just starting to learn about encryption, will find this information useful. This bill is vital to all Americans, from everyday computer users and businesses to manufacturers of computer software and hardware. I very much look forward to working with you on this issue. Conrad Burns United States Senator

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Win 95 partition encryptor?
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What's our current favorite utility to encrypt an entire extended partition under Win 95? Should be as transparent as possible, easy to use, have automatic timeout, etc. Solid crypto, of course. TIA, Disclaimer: My opinions are my own, not those of my employer. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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Live Enteractive Adult Entertainment
by wayne64＠workload.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Sen. Patrick Leahy's Pubkey
by rmfan＠alpha.c2.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

He even self-signed it. -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzFymr0AAAEEANJxXN9TRI8tHscJ52bTT70Ou8vH0+Xmx19UHnFUaLLNErjO 3Pwr2t6qgnPWI6QRGMUu6boDFMarX0BaWGFUtQ21rNwpU2qtNnQo3M5Ax2rD4Ssi feJuRnsWNO8HVXMbHkGJ3fWqXfRrnEz9IPnz7RekGm3o156DeBM5YGSLu9/1AAUR tC5QYXRyaWNrIExlYWh5IDxzZW5hdG9yX2xlYWh5QGxlYWh5LnNlbmF0ZS5nb3Y+ iQCVAwUQMXU9PRM5YGSLu9/1AQFgeAP+LirgSxbJSmx933EdsrW7NO66D2HotVEE q6jhRxFmCht29R43DF2XtxHWddJE4FFLQ7JneWS3aYuf8Ucx8voWdrOlgeo5kadv HZGrThaKGdWREVF2VwYIuJcR0P0Mp2RZGmKtc9H08EImcHIqC8LFc1Mbfs2XvVZC ASjDvnBc4wI= =wNg+ -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Remailer fan.

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by wayne64＠workload.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Burns Bill
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:18 PM 5/2/96 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >Bill Frantz writes: >> in any case, it is not clear how passage of the bill could possibly >> make things worse. > >I think that is key. I fully agree. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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SF South Bay: So WhoWhere wants to meet with people interested in online privacy and security...
by Rich Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The people who run www.whowhere.com (a knockoff on the excellent www.four11.com, with a database partly based on a script they wrote to extract addresses from okra.ucr.edu) want to discuss how they can serve the Internet community better while protecting privacy. I suggested "shut down your site and become cloistered monks," but they didn't find that consistent with their business plan. So they suggested we do lunch early next week. Either Monday or Tuesday would work, and we'd be meeting in downtown Palo Alto. Anybody else interested in coming? For a good demonstration of why WhoWhere? is not necessarily the greatest thing since spice racks, look up "Louis Freeh," "Fuck You," "Asshole," "System Privileged User," and "Stephen Hawking." I keep telling them that they'd better remove this last, but they don't consider it a priority. -rich http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~llurch/ P.S. Yes, I just resubscribed. I just love you too much to stay away. P.P.S. If anyone wants to carpool from the Palo Alto vicinity to Joe & Cindy's beach volleyball shindig this Sunday with an alleged FUCKING STATIST CAPITALIST SOCIALIST NAZI J*W ANARCHIST, send me a note.

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Earn money fast and legal
by Fredric_Olsson＠hotmail.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Fortunately, sometime later I re-read everything and gave some thought and study to it. My name is Christopher Erickson. Two years ago, the corporation I worked at for the past twelve years down-sized and my position was eliminated. After unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own business. Over the past year, I incurred many unforeseen financial problems. I owed my family, friends, and creditors over $35,000. The economy was taking a toll on my business and I just couldn't seem to make ends meet. I had to refinance and borrow against my home to support my family and struggling business. I truly believe it was wrong for me to be in debt like this. AT THAT MOMENT something significant happened in my life and I am writing to share my experience in hopes that this will change your life FOREVER....FINANCIALLY!!! In mid-December, I received this program via email. 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After determining that the program is LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER, I decided "WHY NOT". Initially I sent out 10,000 emails. It only cost me about $15.00 for my time on-line. The great thing about email is that I didn't need any money for printing to send out the program, only the cost to fulfill my orders. I am telling you like it is, I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself that I would not "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much money it cost me! (A good program to help do this is Stealth Mass Mailer, an email extracting and mass mail program which can be found @ http://www.mitent.com/stealth.html. Shop around, you may be able to find a better deal.) In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. By January 13th, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1. When you read the GUARANTEE in the program, you will see that "YOU MUST RECEIVE 15 TO 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN TWO WEEKS. IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" My first step in making $50,000 in 20 to 90 days was done. By January 30th, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2. If you go back to the GUARANTEE, "YOU MUST RECEIVE 100 OR MORE ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN TWO WEEKS. IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL." Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more than I needed. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 19th, of my emailing of 10,000, I received $58,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car. Please take time to read the attached program, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER! Remember, it wont work if you don't try it. This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place. It doesn't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money! REPORT #2 explains this. 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IT'S AWESOME! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------- A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM By the time you have read the enclosed information and looked over the enclosed program and reports, you should have concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, could not have been created by an amateur. Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business for ten years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing the same things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn't working. Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me, it was the economy. Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with us since 1945. I don't have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate...because many of you know from first hand experience. There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever before. The middle class was vanishing. 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That's 10,000 five dollar bills for you. CASH!!!! Your total income in this example is $50 + $500 + $5000 + $50,000 for a total of $55,550!!!! REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING... AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF ONLY 2,000. Believe me, many people will do that and more! By the way, your cost to participate in this is practically nothing. You obviously already have an Internet connection and email is FREE!!! REPORT #3 will show you the best methods for bulk emailing and purchasing email lists. THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY. It does not require you to come in contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave the house except to get the mail. If you believe that someday you'll get that big break that you've been waiting for, THIS IS IT! 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YOUR ORDERS COME AND ARE FILLED THROUGH THE MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it privately in your own home, store or office. This is the GREATEST Multi-level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: Step (1) Order all four 4 REPORTS listed by NAME AND NUMBER. Do this by ordering the REPORT from each of the four 4 names listed on the next page. For each REPORT, send $5 CASH and a SELF- ADDRESSED, STAMPED envelope (BUSINESS SIZE #10) to the person listed for the SPECIFIC REPORT. International orders should also include $1 extra for postage. In lieu of sending an self addressed, stamped envelope, you may simply include your email address if you wish to receive your report by email. It is essential that you specify the NAME and NUMBER of the report requested to the person you are ordering from. You will need ALL FOUR 4 REPORTS because you will be REPRINTING and RESELLING them. DO NOT alter the names or sequence other than what the instructions say. IMPORTANT: Always provide same-day service on all orders. Step (2) Replace the name and address under REPORT #1 with yours, moving the one that was there down to REPORT #2. Drop the name and address under REPORT #2 to REPORT #3, moving the one that was there to REPORT #4. The name and address that was under REPORT #4 is dropped from the list and this party is no doubt on the way to the bank. When doing this, make certain you type the names and addresses ACCURATELY! DO NOT MIX UP MOVING PRODUCT/REPORT POSITIONS!!! Step (3) Having made the required changes in the NAME list, save it as a text (.txt) file in it's own directory to be used with whatever email program you like. Again, REPORT #3 will tell you the best methods of bulk emailing and acquiring email lists. Step (4) Email a copy of the entire program (all of this is very important) to everyone whose address you can get your hands on. Start with friends and relatives since you can encourage them to take advantage of this fabulous money-making opportunity. That's what I did. And they love me now, more than ever. Then, email to anyone and everyone! Use your imagination! You can get email addresses from companies on the Internet who specialize in email mailing lists. These are very cheap, 100,000 addresses for around $35.00. IMPORTANT: You won't get a good response if you use an old list, so always request a FRESH, NEW list. You will find out where to purchase these lists when you order the four 4 REPORTS. ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS!!! REQUIRED REPORTS ***Order each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME*** ALWAYS SEND A SELF-ADDRESSED, STAMPED ENVELOPE AND $5 CASH FOR EACH ORDER REQUESTING THE SPECIFIC REPORT BY NAME AND NUMBER ________________________________________________________ REPORT #1 "HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: Fredric Olsson Lillgårda Hagestad 276 45 Löderup SWEDEN _______________________________________________________ REPORT #2 "MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: Johansen Inc. Björkängsvägen 26 504 78 Sandhult SWEDEN ________________________________________________________ REPORT #3 "SOURCES FOR THE BEST MAILING LISTS" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: A. Valdus Trappv 2 517 37 Bollebygd SWEDEN ________________________________________________________ REPORT #4 "EVALUATING MULTI-LEVEL SALES PLANS" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: MAS Enterprises 509 East Perry Street Savannah, Georgia 31401 ________________________________________________________ CONCLUSION I am enjoying my fortune that I made as I send out this program, hoping to give you a chance to make this kind of money. You too, will be making money in 20 to 90 days, if you follow the SIMPLE STEPS outlined in this mailing. To be financially independent is to be FREE. Free to make financial decisions as never before. Go into business, get into investments, retire or take a vacation. No longer will a lack of money hold you back. However, very few people reach financial independence, because when opportunity knocks, they choose to ignore it. It is much easier to say "NO" than "YES", and this is the question that you must answer. Will YOU ignore this amazing opportunity or will you take advantage of it? If you do nothing, you have indeed missed something and nothing will change. Please re-read this material, this is a special opportunity. If you have any questions, please feel free to write to the sender of this information. You will get a prompt and informative reply. My method is simple. I sell thousands of people a product for $5 that costs me pennies to produce and email. I should also point out that this program is legal and everyone who participates WILL make money. This is not a chain letter or pyramid scam. At times you have probably received chain letters, asking you to send money, on faith, but getting NOTHING in return, NO product what-so-ever! Not only are chain letters illegal, but the risk of someone breaking the chain makes them quite unattractive. You are offering a legitimate product to your people. They are obtaining information that will not only help them with this business venture but others as well. They also are obtaining the rights to reproduce the reports. After they purchase the product from you, they reproduce more and resell them. It's simple free enterprise. As you learned from the enclosed material, the PRODUCT is a series of four 4 FINANCIAL AND BUSINESS REPORTS. The information contained in these REPORTS will not only help you in making your participation in this program more rewarding, but will be useful to you in any other business decisions you make in the years ahead. You are also buying the rights to reprint all of the REPORTS, which will be ordered from you by those to whom you mail this program. The concise one and two page REPORTS you will be buying can easily be reproduced at a local copy center for a cost off about 3 cents a copy. Best wishes with the program and Good Luck! ------------------------------------Testimonials:-------------------------- --------- "I had received this program before. I threw it away, but later wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get a copy, so I had to wait until I was emailed another copy of the program. Eleven months passed, then it came. I DIDN'T throw this one away. I made $41,000 on the first try." Dawn W., Evansville, IN "My late father always told me, 'remember, Alan, there is no free lunch in life. You get out of life what you put into it.' Through trial and error and a somewhat slow frustrating start, I finally figured it out. The program works very well, I just had to find the right target group of people to email it to. So far this year, I have made over $63,000 using this program. I know my dad would have been very proud of me." Alan B., Philadelphia, PA "Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this program. But conservative as I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was no way that I could not get enough orders to at least get my money back. BOY, was I ever surprised when I found my medium sized post office box crammed with orders! I will make more money this year than any ten years of my life before." Mary Riceland, Lansing, MI --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TIPS FOR SUCCESS Send for your four 4 REPORTS immediately so you will have them when the orders start coming in. When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the product/service to comply with US Postal and Lottery laws. Title 18 Sections 1302 and 1341 specifically state that: "A PRODUCT OR SERVICE MUST BE EXCHANGED FOR MONEY RECEIVED." WHILE YOU WAIT FOR THE REPORTS TO ARRIVE: 1. Name your new company. You can use your own name if you desire. 2. Get a post office box (preferred). 3. Edit the names and addresses on the program. You must remember, your name and address go next to REPORT #1 and the others all move down one, with the fourth one being bumped OFF the list. 4. Obtain as many email addresses as possible to send until you receive the information on mailing list companies in REPORT #3. (It is a good idea to purchase bulk email lists, which generally cost around $35.00 for 100,000 names. Or you can start out the way I did, simply mailing out a few hundred to acquaintances and people who post to newsgroups.) 5. Decide on the number of programs you intend to send out. The more you send, and the quicker you send them, the more money you will make. 6. After mailing the programs, get ready to fill the orders. 7. Copy the four 4 REPORTS so you are able to sent them out as soon as you receive an order. IMPORTANT: ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ORDERS YOU RECEIVE! 8. Make certain the letter and reports are neat and legible. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------- YOUR GUARANTEE The check point which GUARANTEES your success is simply this: you must receive 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1. This is a must!!! If you don't within two weeks, email out more programs until you do. Then a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2, if you don't, send out more programs until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, (take a deep breath) you can sit back and relax, because YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE AT LEAST $50,000. Mathematically it is a proven guarantee. Of those who have participated in the program and reached the above GUARANTEES-ALL have reached their $50,000 goal. Also, remember, every time your name is moved down the list you are in front of a different REPORT, so you can keep track of your program by knowing what people are ordering from you. IT'S THAT EASY, REALLY, IT IS!!! REMEMBER: "HE WHO DARES NOTHING, NEED NOT HOPE FOR ANYTHING." "INVEST A LITTLE TIME, ENERGY AND MONEY NOW OR SEARCH FOR IT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- SVENSKAR, LÄS!!! Skicka 40 SKR (2x20) istället för 5dollarsedlar för enkelhetens skull. Vem vill gå och växla 10000 femdollar sedlar??? Glöm inte e-mail adressen i brevet med sedlarna så du får dina reports! Ha ett bra liv!

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Re: Why I dislike Java. (was Re: "Scruffies" vs. "Neats")
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:34 PM 5/2/96 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >At one of my clients, there is a software testing lab where all >software that is placed on the trading floor is rigorously tested for >months before it is put out on the users desktop -- it is, indeed, >tested in conjunction with all other products the user would be >using. No software is deployed before rigorous testing occurs. By the >time the thing is put out, it is known to a high degree of certainty >that it will not cause damage. My clients have a similar testing setup for new communications software. It is one way they are able to offer a reliable service to their clients. >I would very much prefer a language who's security did not require >such analysis. Java, sadly, does require such an analysis because it >requires perfect implementation for its security model to work. In a >restricted execution environment that was designed with defense in >depth in mind, such an analysis would be a bonus, but not strictly >required. All secure systems require perfect implementation of the security kernel. Java has a very large security kernel, since it's kernel includes the kernel in the underlying operating system. As such, it is probably not suited for high security environments.* However, it may well be secure enough for individuals to run on their private machines. * If a Java equipped browser is run in a operating system provided secure environment, this restriction may not apply. Such an operating system would have to provide Orange Book A or B level features (mandatory security). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: Sen. Patrick Leahy's PGP key now avail.
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:23 PM 5/2/96 -0400, perry(a)piermont.com wrote: >Timothy C. May writes: >> Why does anyone need his public key to communicate with Senator Leahy? If >> it's for sender-anonymity, this does not do it, though other tools >> (remailers) do. Unless the information is "secret," why bother? > >I would answer Tim, but I suspect that he would ignore something I >might say. I will therefore quote Philip Zimmermann. > Perhaps you think your E-mail is legitimate enough that encryption is > unwarranted. If you really are a law-abiding citizen with nothing to > hide, then why don't you always send your paper mail on postcards? > Why not submit to drug testing on demand? Why require a warrant for > police searches of your house? Are you trying to hide something? ..... >Never thought I would see the day where Tim stopped being a >Cypherpunk. Everyone mark your calendars. One of the most important parts of any security analysis is the threat models. In this case, we're talking about sending email _to_the_government_. There may be something you want to tell the Senator or his staff that you want kept private from the public or from rest of the government, and Tim's phrase "Unless the information is 'secret'" seems to cover that. Maybe you want to say "My company lost $X to competitor Y"; that's private. Maybe you want to say "The FBI is reading your email, y'know..." Maybe you want to attach a $20 MarkTwain DigiCash campaign contribution. But usually, telling the government something is fairly similar to publishing it, in terms of expectation of privacy, even in a republic. The tradeoff is between using PGP to make a point, and getting the staff to read it. Typically, Congressional Staffs are Your Friends, at least more directly than the Congresscritters themselves. Lobby _them_; making their job easier is a good start. Maybe the right thing to do is include the digicash, encrypt the message, and attach a note indicating that the enclosed digicash is for the staff member who decrypts the note and gives it to the Senator :-) # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com, +1-415-442-2215 begin 777 goodtimes =96-H;R!H879I;F<@9V]O9"!T:6UE<R!Y970_#0H0 end

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Re: Sen. Patrick Leahy's PGP key now avail.
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:50 PM 5/2/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >Why does anyone need his public key to communicate with Senator Leahy? If >it's for sender-anonymity, this does not do it, though other tools >(remailers) do. I can think of two good reasons for Senator Leahy to publish his key: (1) To show his support for the right to use encryption. (2) To sign open letters to the Internet community. I will be really impressed when he gets some big-name signatures on his key. e.g. Matt Blase, Ron Rivist, PRZ, Tim May. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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