December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Burns Bill
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:18 PM 5/2/96 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >Bill Frantz writes: >> in any case, it is not clear how passage of the bill could possibly >> make things worse. > >I think that is key. I fully agree. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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SF South Bay: So WhoWhere wants to meet with people interested in online privacy and security...
by Rich Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The people who run www.whowhere.com (a knockoff on the excellent www.four11.com, with a database partly based on a script they wrote to extract addresses from okra.ucr.edu) want to discuss how they can serve the Internet community better while protecting privacy. I suggested "shut down your site and become cloistered monks," but they didn't find that consistent with their business plan. So they suggested we do lunch early next week. Either Monday or Tuesday would work, and we'd be meeting in downtown Palo Alto. Anybody else interested in coming? For a good demonstration of why WhoWhere? is not necessarily the greatest thing since spice racks, look up "Louis Freeh," "Fuck You," "Asshole," "System Privileged User," and "Stephen Hawking." I keep telling them that they'd better remove this last, but they don't consider it a priority. -rich http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~llurch/ P.S. Yes, I just resubscribed. I just love you too much to stay away. P.P.S. If anyone wants to carpool from the Palo Alto vicinity to Joe & Cindy's beach volleyball shindig this Sunday with an alleged FUCKING STATIST CAPITALIST SOCIALIST NAZI J*W ANARCHIST, send me a note.

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Earn money fast and legal
by Fredric_Olsson＠hotmail.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Valdus Trappv 2 517 37 Bollebygd SWEDEN ________________________________________________________ REPORT #4 "EVALUATING MULTI-LEVEL SALES PLANS" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: MAS Enterprises 509 East Perry Street Savannah, Georgia 31401 ________________________________________________________ CONCLUSION I am enjoying my fortune that I made as I send out this program, hoping to give you a chance to make this kind of money. You too, will be making money in 20 to 90 days, if you follow the SIMPLE STEPS outlined in this mailing. To be financially independent is to be FREE. Free to make financial decisions as never before. Go into business, get into investments, retire or take a vacation. No longer will a lack of money hold you back. However, very few people reach financial independence, because when opportunity knocks, they choose to ignore it. It is much easier to say "NO" than "YES", and this is the question that you must answer. Will YOU ignore this amazing opportunity or will you take advantage of it? If you do nothing, you have indeed missed something and nothing will change. Please re-read this material, this is a special opportunity. If you have any questions, please feel free to write to the sender of this information. You will get a prompt and informative reply. My method is simple. I sell thousands of people a product for $5 that costs me pennies to produce and email. I should also point out that this program is legal and everyone who participates WILL make money. This is not a chain letter or pyramid scam. At times you have probably received chain letters, asking you to send money, on faith, but getting NOTHING in return, NO product what-so-ever! Not only are chain letters illegal, but the risk of someone breaking the chain makes them quite unattractive. You are offering a legitimate product to your people. They are obtaining information that will not only help them with this business venture but others as well. They also are obtaining the rights to reproduce the reports. After they purchase the product from you, they reproduce more and resell them. It's simple free enterprise. As you learned from the enclosed material, the PRODUCT is a series of four 4 FINANCIAL AND BUSINESS REPORTS. The information contained in these REPORTS will not only help you in making your participation in this program more rewarding, but will be useful to you in any other business decisions you make in the years ahead. You are also buying the rights to reprint all of the REPORTS, which will be ordered from you by those to whom you mail this program. The concise one and two page REPORTS you will be buying can easily be reproduced at a local copy center for a cost off about 3 cents a copy. Best wishes with the program and Good Luck! ------------------------------------Testimonials:-------------------------- --------- "I had received this program before. I threw it away, but later wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get a copy, so I had to wait until I was emailed another copy of the program. Eleven months passed, then it came. I DIDN'T throw this one away. I made $41,000 on the first try." Dawn W., Evansville, IN "My late father always told me, 'remember, Alan, there is no free lunch in life. You get out of life what you put into it.' Through trial and error and a somewhat slow frustrating start, I finally figured it out. The program works very well, I just had to find the right target group of people to email it to. So far this year, I have made over $63,000 using this program. I know my dad would have been very proud of me." Alan B., Philadelphia, PA "Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this program. But conservative as I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was no way that I could not get enough orders to at least get my money back. BOY, was I ever surprised when I found my medium sized post office box crammed with orders! I will make more money this year than any ten years of my life before." Mary Riceland, Lansing, MI --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TIPS FOR SUCCESS Send for your four 4 REPORTS immediately so you will have them when the orders start coming in. When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the product/service to comply with US Postal and Lottery laws. Title 18 Sections 1302 and 1341 specifically state that: "A PRODUCT OR SERVICE MUST BE EXCHANGED FOR MONEY RECEIVED." WHILE YOU WAIT FOR THE REPORTS TO ARRIVE: 1. Name your new company. You can use your own name if you desire. 2. Get a post office box (preferred). 3. Edit the names and addresses on the program. You must remember, your name and address go next to REPORT #1 and the others all move down one, with the fourth one being bumped OFF the list. 4. Obtain as many email addresses as possible to send until you receive the information on mailing list companies in REPORT #3. (It is a good idea to purchase bulk email lists, which generally cost around $35.00 for 100,000 names. Or you can start out the way I did, simply mailing out a few hundred to acquaintances and people who post to newsgroups.) 5. Decide on the number of programs you intend to send out. The more you send, and the quicker you send them, the more money you will make. 6. After mailing the programs, get ready to fill the orders. 7. Copy the four 4 REPORTS so you are able to sent them out as soon as you receive an order. IMPORTANT: ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ORDERS YOU RECEIVE! 8. Make certain the letter and reports are neat and legible. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------- YOUR GUARANTEE The check point which GUARANTEES your success is simply this: you must receive 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1. This is a must!!! If you don't within two weeks, email out more programs until you do. Then a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2, if you don't, send out more programs until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, (take a deep breath) you can sit back and relax, because YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE AT LEAST $50,000. Mathematically it is a proven guarantee. Of those who have participated in the program and reached the above GUARANTEES-ALL have reached their $50,000 goal. Also, remember, every time your name is moved down the list you are in front of a different REPORT, so you can keep track of your program by knowing what people are ordering from you. IT'S THAT EASY, REALLY, IT IS!!! REMEMBER: "HE WHO DARES NOTHING, NEED NOT HOPE FOR ANYTHING." "INVEST A LITTLE TIME, ENERGY AND MONEY NOW OR SEARCH FOR IT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- SVENSKAR, LÄS!!! Skicka 40 SKR (2x20) istället för 5dollarsedlar för enkelhetens skull. Vem vill gå och växla 10000 femdollar sedlar??? Glöm inte e-mail adressen i brevet med sedlarna så du får dina reports! Ha ett bra liv!

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Re: Why I dislike Java. (was Re: "Scruffies" vs. "Neats")
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:34 PM 5/2/96 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >At one of my clients, there is a software testing lab where all >software that is placed on the trading floor is rigorously tested for >months before it is put out on the users desktop -- it is, indeed, >tested in conjunction with all other products the user would be >using. No software is deployed before rigorous testing occurs. By the >time the thing is put out, it is known to a high degree of certainty >that it will not cause damage. My clients have a similar testing setup for new communications software. It is one way they are able to offer a reliable service to their clients. >I would very much prefer a language who's security did not require >such analysis. Java, sadly, does require such an analysis because it >requires perfect implementation for its security model to work. In a >restricted execution environment that was designed with defense in >depth in mind, such an analysis would be a bonus, but not strictly >required. All secure systems require perfect implementation of the security kernel. Java has a very large security kernel, since it's kernel includes the kernel in the underlying operating system. As such, it is probably not suited for high security environments.* However, it may well be secure enough for individuals to run on their private machines. * If a Java equipped browser is run in a operating system provided secure environment, this restriction may not apply. Such an operating system would have to provide Orange Book A or B level features (mandatory security). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: Sen. Patrick Leahy's PGP key now avail.
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:23 PM 5/2/96 -0400, perry(a)piermont.com wrote: >Timothy C. May writes: >> Why does anyone need his public key to communicate with Senator Leahy? If >> it's for sender-anonymity, this does not do it, though other tools >> (remailers) do. Unless the information is "secret," why bother? > >I would answer Tim, but I suspect that he would ignore something I >might say. I will therefore quote Philip Zimmermann. > Perhaps you think your E-mail is legitimate enough that encryption is > unwarranted. If you really are a law-abiding citizen with nothing to > hide, then why don't you always send your paper mail on postcards? > Why not submit to drug testing on demand? Why require a warrant for > police searches of your house? Are you trying to hide something? ..... >Never thought I would see the day where Tim stopped being a >Cypherpunk. Everyone mark your calendars. One of the most important parts of any security analysis is the threat models. In this case, we're talking about sending email _to_the_government_. There may be something you want to tell the Senator or his staff that you want kept private from the public or from rest of the government, and Tim's phrase "Unless the information is 'secret'" seems to cover that. Maybe you want to say "My company lost $X to competitor Y"; that's private. Maybe you want to say "The FBI is reading your email, y'know..." Maybe you want to attach a $20 MarkTwain DigiCash campaign contribution. But usually, telling the government something is fairly similar to publishing it, in terms of expectation of privacy, even in a republic. The tradeoff is between using PGP to make a point, and getting the staff to read it. Typically, Congressional Staffs are Your Friends, at least more directly than the Congresscritters themselves. Lobby _them_; making their job easier is a good start. Maybe the right thing to do is include the digicash, encrypt the message, and attach a note indicating that the enclosed digicash is for the staff member who decrypts the note and gives it to the Senator :-) # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com, +1-415-442-2215 begin 777 goodtimes =96-H;R!H879I;F<@9V]O9"!T:6UE<R!Y970_#0H0 end

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Re: Sen. Patrick Leahy's PGP key now avail.
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:50 PM 5/2/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >Why does anyone need his public key to communicate with Senator Leahy? If >it's for sender-anonymity, this does not do it, though other tools >(remailers) do. I can think of two good reasons for Senator Leahy to publish his key: (1) To show his support for the right to use encryption. (2) To sign open letters to the Internet community. I will be really impressed when he gets some big-name signatures on his key. e.g. Matt Blase, Ron Rivist, PRZ, Tim May. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: EET on PGP API Quash
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:22 PM 5/2/96 -0700, Martin Minow wrote: >> ... the State Department is taking >> an increasingly hard line on PGP. Where once the State had >> restricted itself to warning developers against exporting >> source code with PGP file-encryption routines, it is now >> arguing that application programming interfaces (API) >> allowing PGP program insertion should be subject to control >> under arms-trading statutes. > >It would seem that any computer system that permits the use >of an externally-supplied computer program (i.e., Windows, >DOS, MacOS, Unix, Java, Microsoft Word macro languange) would >fall under this restriction. > >I wonder how much thought went into this decision. Not much. I seem to recall a quote from Dorothy Denning a couple of months ago where she actually held out API's as a way to get around the ITAR restrictions. It sounds to me like even that was too much for them! In any case, this position is very desperate. Those of us who recall old Altair computers remember a time where even a "file" was a foreign concept. Files are, arguably, a standardized format on which encryption programs work. Are they going to stop the export of MSDOS? Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.comJim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Sun's Wallet
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:18 5/2/96, Steven L Baur wrote: >> Sydney, Australia, April 30 -- SunSoft will shortly >> release a workable cash-on-the-Internet program called >> Wallet > >> Once issued, the Digital ID can >> be used within any enabled application such as Netscape >> Navigator Internet client software and Netscape >> SuiteSpot. > >Will it be supported by ApacheSSL? The Java Wallet is supposed to work with any Java enabled browser. The wallet takes care of moving all the data even through firewalls, so I would assume it just piggy-backs on http. Note that anyone can create a Wallet "cassette" for their own present of future payment system. In order for the cassette to work with the wallet, it needs to be signed by Java Soft. Java Soft will charge for the sigs. Last I heard, the exact fee was still undecided. Disclaimer: My opinions are my own, not those of my employer. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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Re: proposed anti-pseudospoofing law in Georgia
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:52 PM 5/2/96 -0700, Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: >this proposed law in Georgia >would make it illegal to have a login name other than >your legal name, as I understand it. >I consider it rather silly, naive, and unenforcable, >but it does suggest a few things: > >1. lawmakers are starting to notice the internet bigtime. Yes, they are. >2. its starting to freak them out. Apparently, very much so. >3. the identity issues raised by cyberspace have significant >social implications and will not go away quietly. Not if legislators keep pushing their luck... >4. there are some legitimate reasons to require ID in some places >in cyberspace. Only as far as is mutually agreed. If two people want to do business, we can reasonably expect that they will do so under whatever conditions they can agree to. If one of those conditions is that they require ID from the other, fine. The problem comes when third parties (like, for instance, government) requires it; that's wrong. >meanwhile, if the internet really is robust, their irrelevant >posturings should not make much difference, although I am *not* >advocating that people resign themselves to these laws, only that >if they pass the situation is not necessarily catastrophic or >apocalyptic. I don't think it's apocalyptic. But that's because I think there's a permanent solution to their meddling. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Why I dislike Java. (was Re: "Scruffies" vs. "Neats")
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:34 PM 5/2/96 -0400, Perry wrote: >At one of my clients, there is a software testing lab where all >software that is placed on the trading floor is rigorously tested for Definitely - aside from severe dangers like automated theft or incorrect output, even software that takes a PC down for 5 minutes during the trading day every once in a while can cost big money to a brokerage firm. >Netscape with Java cannot be so tested because important components >come down off the net. So no, I'm not holding Netscape with Java to a >higher standard. I'm very much holding it to the same standard. Netscape now lets you turn off Java and Javascript. An ideal would be to support running applications signed by your choice of application-certifiers, which is BTW likely to be much more restrictive that your list of key-certifiers if you're in a paranoid business like brokerages and airlines. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com, +1-415-442-2215 begin 777 goodtimes =96-H;R!H879I;F<@9V]O9"!T:6UE<R!Y970_#0H0 end

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Batman on the Internet??? CyberAngels info
by Terry.Liberty-Parker＠804.ima.infomail.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-=> Note: Forwarded (from: netmail) by Terry Liberty-Parker using timEd. Originally from Matthew Gaylor (1:382/87.0) to terry liberty-parker. Original dated: May 01 '96, 13:50 e-Id: <v0213050eadad22805e60(a)[198.4.94.223]> From: freematt(a)coil.com (Matthew Gaylor) From: angels(a)wavenet.com (CyberAngels Director : Colin Gabriel Hatcher) Subject: CYBERANGELS Thanks for your interest in our group. We apologize for any delay in answering your enquiry. Our service is not automated, and we have a huge quantity of enquiries to deal with. Briefing papers about our work are still in preparation. Keep in touch with us till then. If you have any personal problems on the Internet, or if you find an interesting and relevant website, then write and tell us. We will shortly be opening a new WWW site, and we will send a release when that is ready. Till then, take care, and keep your eyes open while you are cruising! Let us know if you find any material or activity that you think should be investigated! Let us know also if you find any interesting websites that share our mission! You are now on our rmailing list! Stand by for regular information and alerts for CyberAngels missions. Gabriel ************************************************************** THE INTERNET IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD - LET'S LOOK AFTER IT! CYBERANGELS - WHO ARE WE? We are an all-volunteer Internet safety patrol and monitoring project started in June 1995 by senior members of the world famous crime prevention organization The International Alliance of Guardian Angels. CyberAngels membership currently numbers more than 1000 users worldwide in15 countries, who share a common mission - to be a Cyberspace Neighborhood Watch and to fight Internet crime. Our numbers are growing daily. We are working to make the Internet a safer and more enjoyable place to work and play, by being role models for self-regulation and responsibility. We are dedicated: TO FIGHT CRIME ON THE INTERNET in particular criminal activity where there are clear personal victims and/or at-risk users. TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN FROM ONLINE CRIMINAL ABUSE by fighting against the trade in child pornography and by working to deter sexual predators online. TO GIVE SUPPORT, ADVICE AND ASSISTANCE TO INTERNET VICTIMS OF HATE MAIL, HARASSMENT AND SEXUAL ABUSE ONLINE by referring them to professional assistance and by helping to guide them through the compaints and reporting processes. TO PROMOTE, PRESERVE AND PROTECT NETIQUETTE that is, the rules of polite conduct that govern our use of the Internet. We believe in courtesy and respect for others. We support Internet Service Providers who have clearly defined Terms of Service for the User, and who are prepared to enforce it. 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One of our main methods of crime prevention on the Net is by educating users about the possible problems they may encounter, and how to avoid them Education means educating parents realistically about the Internet so that they areaware of the dangers, but are not overreacting. It's important that parents and kids cooperate in this area. The Internet is such a wonderful learning environment that we wish to encourage kids to use it - but adults must take responsibility for making sure our kids do not wander into areas that are not appropriate. We act as an advisory service for any user with problems of personal safety and / or personal security on the Net. This advice ranges from how to deal with mailbombs, forged email, mailing list spams, virii, impersonation and other electronic sabotage and harassment methods, to information about how to deal with hate mail, sexual harassment, kids' safety online and unsolicited email. Many users do not know how to report abuse nor to whom they should report it. CyberAngels can usually help. SAFETY PATROLS CyberAngels volunteers run regular Safety Patrols on the Net. Safety Patrols on the Internet means cruising the electronic highways, keeping your eyes open for problems. The main areas we patrol are the Usenet (Newsgroups) and the live channels (IRC / Chat rooms etc). We read Newsgroups, especially the binaries groups on the Usenet, and if we find images of child pornography posted up there we refer those files to federal law enforcement authorities, eg US Customs Service. We also check out fraud schemes on the Usenet, and if necessary report them to the National Fraud Centre. We also keep track of Spam developments - who is mass mailing unsolicited mail and what they are offering. We travel the live channels of IRC / MUDS or the chat rooms in the big Providers, looking out for sexual predators searching for children, or pedophiles trading child pornography in the live talk areas. This is a major source of child pornography on the Net. If we find it we report it to Sysadmins and Federal authorities. We cruise the World Wide Web, checking sites to make sure child pornography is not being used to attract visitors, and checking that a site that says it is Kidsafe really is suitable for children. We visit and read websites and FTP sites of Racist and other Hate Organizations, keeping a check on their activities. There is a very close relationship between Racist material and Racist activities (eg Hate mail and harassment, violent threats and intimidation). We don't believe in the philosophy that "anything goes" on the Net. The Internet is a society and in societies where "anything goes" then crime and violence dominate, and the stronger consume the weaker. The Internet is a newly developing global nation - and we need Cyberspace law and law enforcement if users rights are to be protected. We believe in FREEDOM AND JUSTICE UNDER LAW. And although we recognize the problems of how National Laws can be applied to an International society, we believe that the first step is that Netizens CARE about Cybercrime and the victims of Cybercrime. YOU CAN HELP US! WE NEED VOLUNTEERS! The Internet Community is huge - a worldwide network of around 40 million people, 11 million Websites, 3500 Service Providers - and it's growing every day. The more volunteers we have, the more effective we can be. And by giving a little of your time to looking after the welfare of the Net, you can make a real difference! Anyone can be a CyberAngel. The only requirement is that you commit a minimum of 2 hours per week to the project. 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Contact us for details. * Cyberangels support SAFESURF in their campaign for child safe areas on the Net * Cyberangels support WEBSAFE and their work with kids, teens and parents. * Cyberangels support the BLUE RIBBON Freedom of Speech campaign * Cyberangels support PICS, other rating systems and screening software *Cyberangels support CYBERSPACE LAW AND LAW ENFORCEMENT. CYBERSPACE NEEDS CYBERANGELS! ********************************************************* Colin Gabriel Hatcher - CyberAngels Director angels(a)wavenet.com "Freedom and justice, under law" ********************************************************* **************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-20 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor,1933 E. 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Re: The Joy of Java
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:43 PM 5/2/96 -0500, Bruce M. wrote: >On Wed, 1 May 1996, Dr. Dimitri Vulis wrote: > >> My recollection is that when IBM first started selling IBM PC, they offered >> a choice of (at least) 3 operating systems right from the start: UCSD p-system, >> CP/M-86 or PC-DOS. IBM didn't do anything to prompte PC-DOS over the other >> two. It won fair and square in the marketplace because the other two were >> even worse crap. (Later versions of CP/M-86 got much better.) > > I always had been under the impression that they charged a hundred >dollars or more for CPM as opposed to DOS which was also a major reason >for its popularity. >Bruce Marshall The story I heard (about 1983) was that IBM had pulled a rather fast one on Digital Research, the source of CP/M for 8080's and CP/M 86. They lured DR into an exclusive contract in which they offered to pay a percentage of the sales to DR on CP/M 86 for the IBM PC, but then deliberately offered it at such a high price (about $250 or so) that "nobody" wanted it. Because the contract was "exclusive" even Digital Research was locked out of the market. By the time that contract expired the market was firmly in the hands of MSDOS. In effect, DR had sold the entire market for a song. Had they been more careful it might have been a horse race. This was identified as an intentional tactic of IBM, BTW. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.comJim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: encrypted Unix backup software
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:02 PM 5/2/96 -0500, VaX#n8 <vax(a)linkdead.paranoia.com> wrote: >Okay, before you flame me and tell me to pipe it through >a symmetric cipher filter, hear me out. Tape handling is >hairy, depending on what kind of functionality you want. A regular >filter may write(2) in strangely sized blocks, not working very well >with your tape drive. > >Mostly though, things get difficult when you have to/want to deal with >multiple tapes. > >Although I could probably hack up "catblock" to do the job, and use >a line of the form >dump -0uBf ... | symmetric_cipher | catblock blockfactor > /dev/tape >if there exists something which already does this job, or something like it, >I'd like to know. Now that I think about it, maybe this is the cleanest way. Yup. It's a classic Unix tools approach - let each piece do what it does best, and use a standard simple interface between tools. You don't need to write "catblock", though - there's the "dd" command designed for just such applications (well, designed for the way those applications looked 20 years ago, when you needed to do things like EBCDIC conversion and line-length padding to deal with IBM tapes, and the syntax has a certain evil OS360 JCL look to it :-) Newer versions may handle multiple tapes a bit better. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com, +1-415-442-2215 begin 777 goodtimes =96-H;R!H879I;F<@9V]O9"!T:6UE<R!Y970_#0H0 end

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Re: Sen. Patrick Leahy's PGP key now avail.
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:06 AM 5/3/96, Bill Stewart wrote: >One of the most important parts of any security analysis is the >threat models. In this case, we're talking about sending email >_to_the_government_. > >There may be something you want to tell the Senator or his staff that >you want kept private from the public or from rest of the government, >and Tim's phrase "Unless the information is 'secret'" seems to cover that. >Maybe you want to say "My company lost $X to competitor Y"; that's private. >Maybe you want to say "The FBI is reading your email, y'know..." >Maybe you want to attach a $20 MarkTwain DigiCash campaign contribution. And besides my explicit mention of "unless secret," which I suspect is not the case in the context of "communicating with Sen. Leahy," I also explicity mentioned that it is unlikely Sen. Leahy is doing the reading of e-mail or the encrypting. The PGP key is really "Leahy's office key." I'd say it's 99.95% likely that the PGP key was generated by a staffer--the resident e-mail geek--and that only staffers know how to use PGP. (In fact, probably only the one staffer who generated the key and knows the passphrase....) This gives new meaning to "man in the channel." When you send an encrypted message to "Senator Leahy," be sure to tell "Mitch" it's urgent that the Senator see it! (Don't misunderstand me, anyone. I'm not expecting perfect security, and the fact that secretaries and staffers may likely be the actual "keepers of the keys" is hardly new or surprising. They've always served this role. And until this changes, with PGP getting easier to use or with a more conventional key arrangement, I expect few senators will be typing in PGP stuff. (By "more conventional" I mean a model where some token or object is used, as with the crypto ignition keys, which I can imagine _some_ Senators actually carry and use, depending on their connections to the intelligence and military establishment. Or biometric security, etc.) >But usually, telling the government something is fairly similar to >publishing it, in terms of expectation of privacy, even in a republic. >The tradeoff is between using PGP to make a point, and getting the staff >to read it. Typically, Congressional Staffs are Your Friends, at least >more directly than the Congresscritters themselves. Lobby _them_; >making their job easier is a good start. I agree. My main point was that staffers are already extremely pressed for time, often quickly sorting incoming constituent mail into "yes" or "no" piles for later counting on some issue. It's unlikely in the extreme that a PGP-encrypted mail message will be looked at, unless the staffer thinks it must be spook-related. When the staffer finds it's just a position advocacy letter, and that he spent time decrypting it, it'll likely have the opposite effect we want. And it _still_ won't be the "real" Senator Leahy doing the decrypting! So, what is accomplished except "feel good" thoughts? --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Why I dislike Java. (was Re: "Scruffies" vs. "Neats")
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 23:37 5/2/96, Jeff Weinstein wrote: >Perry E. Metzger wrote: >> Netscape with Java cannot be so tested because important components >> come down off the net. So no, I'm not holding Netscape with Java to a >> higher standard. I'm very much holding it to the same standard. > > The Netscape Administration Kit will allow a site security admin >to create a configuration that disables Java, and does not allow the >user to enable it. If your customers require netscape, perhaps this >is an option that will make you more comfortable. Does it prevent the user from downloading an unrestricted copy from Netscape's ftp site or installing one brought from home? Disclaimer: My opinions are my own, not those of my employer. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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Re: [Complete NOISE] Re: aufweidersehn, * grave$
by Rich Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- [ObCpherpunkRelevance: there's a good bit about bizness views of privacy and anonymity on the Internet on the home page of the class that gave birth to that Spawn of Satan WhoWhere?. See especially the Bulletins. The class lives at http://gsb-www.stanford.edu/class/M395/home.html] ROTFL!!!!! Many thanks to jamesd(a)echeque.com for forwarding me Skippy's original message. > Glad that lying anti-racist jerk is leaving. With all his/her's > nyms, rc graves is impossible to trust. Mike Beebe, Beowulf, > ezundel, nietzsche, ernstzundel and others to make transparent > trolls the ignorant anti-racist makes up. I've never even heard of Mike Beebe, but I'll look him up on DejaNews. Boewulf is the nym of a very real racist who is so over-the-top silly (and 1/4 Jewish) that some people don't believe he's for real. I once claimed to be "Beowulf" for laughs. "Nietzsche(a)gnn.com" was a real racist who spammed widely in early January with a message smearing MLK; he later posted a lot to news.groups about the rec.music.white-power troll, but seems to have closed his account once the free hours ran out. ezundel(a)alpha.c2.org is a friend of mine who reposts Ingrid's stuff to alt.fan.ernst-zundel. ernztzundl(a)aol.com was a really annoying AOL troll who has thankfully gone away. I've got enough email between him and me to prove that we're different people, and of course he knew a lot about DC that I couldn't. Wow. At first I didn't believe that Skippy "or" Dave Harmon were anything but anti-racist spoofs, and I'm still not entirely convinced, but they're so consistently malicious that they must have something against me. I swear that "Skippy" isn't me, but on second thought, I wouldn't really mind if other people thought I was harassing myself. That would be poetic justice indeed. Maybe if we don't believe he exists, he'll go away. So, Skippy, did you forge an unsubscribe message for tallpaul, or was that someone else? I'll take my answer OFF THE LIST, PLEASE. - -rich -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMYmgIY3DXUbM57SdAQGmwQP+MTp0UTFkSiMKYeIbmQGpAEaC/oMns0ly Md9IPXBraHAQsxAfWOKME4DUXMaDmL0nUPJ41lRjLH2UjaLYkjE7qEzTWAazLb9+ Ub/EwTNlqitSoOSdkxxQkgX/GXNffRr08pPUpYgcPIcrWelou6MnE2hgmf8aR2bz gM5eIm1A3Og= =rO9a -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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No Subject
by Ecafe Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: Brian D Williams <talon57(a)well.com> > Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 11:16:35 -0700 > > >From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Tue Apr 30 23:58:28 1996 > >Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 00:52:03 -0500 (CDT) > >From: snow <snow(a)smoke.suba.com> > >To: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry(a)piermont.com> > >cc: "L. Detweiler" <vznuri(a)netcom.com>, cypherpunks(a)toad.com > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >Subject: Re: Why I dislike Java. (was Re: "Scruffies" vs. "Neats") > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com > >Precedence: bulk > > Game, set, match...... No, probably done intentionally. Note the lower-case snow...

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Bit tax again?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I hesitate to write about this, but the old "bit tax" idea has surfaced again, this time reported in Electronic Engineering Times, page 1, April 29, 1996 issue. I include the article below. My comments will follow in another note shortly! Europe: Try to send it, we'll tax your bits By Peter Clarke Brussels, Belgium-- A report prepared for the European Commission (EC) urges it to consider levying a "bit tax" on information sent over the Internet and other networks. The recommendation runs counter to the reining sentiment among U.S. regulators, who have sought to avoid being cast as "bit cops." The EC report reasons that the value of the average cyberspace transaction will increase as time goes by, resulting in fewer physical transactions. The upshot, the report says, will be a shrinking government tax base. Evidence of such a trend may already have surfaced: Use fo the Internet to import goods and services electronically from outside the continent has allowed some Europeans to avoid payments under Europe's value-added-tax (VAT) system. Luc Soete--director of the Maastricht Economic Research Institute on Innovation and Technology (Limburg, Netherlands) and chairman of the high Level Expert Group (HLEG) that prepared the report on the social aspects of the information society--has examples at the read to prove the potential of Internet commerce to erode the tax base. Soete observed last week that sending his group's report by mail or courier, rather than electronically, would involve taxes on fuel purchases and on the profits fo the companies involved in physically shuttling the document to recipients. "As society moves toward the information society, tax revenue needs to shift emphasis from material goods to virtual goods and services," he said. I think we will see a very rapid introduction [of such a tax structure] in one or two years' time." Soete said he believes the tax "can be introduced in a very straightforward way. Every telephone operator and service provider has a record of the bytes moved. They can be the tax collectors." He acknowledged the prevailing "negative view about a bit tax" and attributed it in part of "concern that it could inhibit adoption of information technology. But once people have the technology, not many would go back. Whether the tax is 1 cent per bit or 1 cent per kbit is, of course, completely open." At the same time, U.S. regulators, who hope to expand Internet access to schools, libraries and low-income individuals, have resisted efforts to cast them in the role of bit cops charged with monitoring Internet traffic. Free Internet The Federal Communications Commission, which has conducted a series of highly profitable spectrum auctions for wireless and satellite services, last week proposed reserving some wireless spectrum for free Internet access for schools and libraries. Soete last week cast the bit tax as a progressive levy that would fall hardest on big business and that would not deter private individuals from joining the information society. Indeed, the potential of the information revolution to further polarize society is among the concerns expressed in the report. Soete believes the bit-tax should be used to fund social security or welfare. "Labor can no longer be the source of revenue for social security," he said. Steve Kennedy, business-development manager at the Internet service provider Demon Internet Ltd. (London) doesn't share Soete's positive view of the bit tax. "Such a tax would be very difficult to monitor and police," Kennedy asserted. "We transfer about 1.5 Gbytes of data a day, but we don't keep a lot of customer information. Who's going to pay for the equipment and software to log all this?" He added that if his company was "simply taxed on the data transfer, we would have to pass it on to the customers, and that would penalize the small user." The HLEG report is lavelled as an interim document that is intended to generate public comment. The final report will be published by year's end. The interim report can be accessed from http://www.ispo.cec.be/hleg/hleg.htmlJim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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PGP API & PGP 3.0
by Jean-Paul Kroepfli 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm considering the use of PGP for bank operation in central Europe (and yes, also in France, but there -normaly- only for interbank fund transfers). I have seen the PGP API stuff, but I don't know where and I haven't seen any commentaries by users. I don't know the current state of the PGP 3.0 effort and the intermediate results, nor the respective relation of PGP API and PGP 3.0 (which has also an API). Thanks for your advice, Jean-Paul ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- Jean-Paul et Micheline Kroepfli (our son: Nicolas and daughter: Celine) eMail: JeanPaul.Kroepfli(a)utopia.fnet.fr Also Compuserve and MSNetwork Phone: +33 81 55 52 59 (F) PostMail: F-25640 Breconchaux (France) or: +41 21 843 27 36 (CH) or: CP 138, CH-1337 Vallorbe Fax: +33 81 55 52 62 (Switzerland) Zephyr(r) : InterNet, Communication, Security and Cryptography consulting PGP Fingerprint : 19 FB 67 EA 20 70 53 89 AF B2 5C 7F 02 1F CA 8F "The InterNet is the most open standard since air for breathing"

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Dole Backs Crypto Export
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Financial Times, May 3, 1996, p. 7. Dole backs removal of software export ban By Louise Kehoe in San Francisco Senator Bob Dole, the presumptive Republican presidential candidate, yesterday threw his support behind proposed legislation to remove US export restrictions on computer software used to encode Internet messages. The new Security and Freedom through Encryption bill introduced yesterday by several Republican senators and congressmen, also rejects a controversial Clinton administration proposal to enable law enforcement agencies to unlock encoded electronic messages. For Senator Dole, the encryption bill provides an opportunity to seek support from Silicon Valley high-tech leaders many of whom backed Mr Bill Clinton in 1992, and to boost his election campaign efforts in California. "The administration's misguided proposal on encryption amounts to a pair of cement shoes for Silicon Valley," said Senator Dole. "It seems to me that a new pair of track shoes might be a better answer. The administration's big brother proposal will literally destroy America's computer industry," he said. Encryption software is currently classified as "munitions" and exports are strictly limited by the US state department. US and other western intelligence and law enforcement agencies are opposed to the commercial use of the most powerful encryption methods which they argue could be used to mask criminal or terrorist activities by effectively preventing wire-taps. However, US software companies maintain that the current export restrictions threaten US pre-eminence in the world software market. A study by the Computer Systems Policy Project, a computer industry group, estimated that within four years the US economy would lose $60bn in revenues and roughly 216,000 jobs as a result of encryption export controls. Moreover, current regulations, which allow export only of "weak" encryption, are unacceptable because such encoding has been demonstrated to be ineffective. Last year, for example students in France were able to break encryption which is used in the export version of Netscape Communication's popular Internet browser software. The limited availability of strong encryption software is also blocking the progress of electronic commerce on the Internet, US computer experts argue, because companies and individuals are reluctant to make electronic payments over the Internet without assurance of security. -----

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Re: CryptoAnarchy: What's wrong with this picture?
by liberty＠gate.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- [I must *try* to quit rising to all this bloody bait, but:] Michael Loomis wrote: >[..."unfairness is kept within reasonable bounds"..."reasonable > sized government"...] I'm sure that we all agree on the meaning of the term, "reasonable." >Consumption taxation would, of course, >include a tax on the amount of information coming into your computer. I >don't think that the government will have any problem determining the >quantity of the information & since it will be encrypted anyway, I don't >see the privacy worries. This would give a whole new meaning to the term "mailbomb," no? JMR Regards, Jim Ray <liberty(a)gate.net> "The FAA, FBI, Customs, CIA, Justice, DEA and the IRS were all involved in Mena. They won't say how they were involved, but they will tell you there is nothing there." -- Bill Plante, CBS News Correspondent, & Michael Singer, Producer, CBS News, New York. in Tuesday, May 3, 1994's Wall Street Journal letters to the editor section. _______________________________________________________________________ PGP key Fingerprint 51 5D A2 C3 92 2C 56 BE 53 2D 9C A1 B3 50 C9 C8 Public Key id. # E9BD6D35 -- http://www.shopmiami.com/prs/jimray _______________________________________________________________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Freedom isn't Freeh. iQCVAwUBMYoTt21lp8bpvW01AQE4WQP+KQyztz4V6jfYvboOrDhLLuItlTzkLmIv 6TfM3/7O+fLoNcyKXGOEmgc5y7j0/IiiXJJtMsDCsfH/ONpyEAY1GRnfREgMv9HW OezSVVhYd/xoKg6pouAaWgZ2cD3RlH8SeE7LqCkeZhAXdcXHiNIAK8mAv78Eln0y KjzImXWG9dw= =ieam -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Bit tax again?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Europe: Try to send it, we'll tax your bits > >By Peter Clarke >The EC report reasons that the value of the average cyberspace transaction >will increase as time goes by, resulting in fewer physical transactions. >The upshot, the report says, will be a shrinking government tax base. >Evidence of such a trend may already have surfaced: Use fo the Internet to >import goods and services electronically from outside the continent has >allowed some Europeans to avoid payments under Europe's value-added-tax >(VAT) system. This is a poor reason to adopt a so-called "bit tax." One obvious problem is that a 1-kilobyte letter in which I order thousands of dollars worth of goods is simply not comparable (in "value") to a 1-megabyte telephone conversation (the amount of data transferred, in one direction, in a 2-minute phone call.) If they want to implement a "bit tax" to replace lost revenue, they're left with either taxing bits so high that they recoup the "lost" revenue in the 1-kbyte letter, or reducing the "bit tax" to the level which makes transmission of low-profit items like Internet phone calls, GIFs, or audio files possible. The former won't do any good; the latter is totally unacceptable. Governments may be worried about losing tax revenue, in general, but they are (as usual) FOS. The development of information technology may reduce tax revenues, but if it does, it does this by bypassing the use of services that would have otherwise been necessary. To use the example in the article, if I buy something over the Internet, as opposed to physically driving 20 miles to get it, and it is (efficiently) shipped to me by some method such as UPS, that represents a substantial reduction in the amount of gas I use, the wear and tear on my car, usage of roads, etc. _IF_ taxes exist to pay for some of these kinds of costs, _if_ a more efficient system of product-ordering is developed to eliminate these costs, then (logically) the need for those services is reduced. That means that taxes should drop accordingly. > Soete observed last week that >sending his group's report by mail or courier, rather than electronically, >would involve taxes on fuel purchases and on the profits fo the companies >involved in physically shuttling the document to recipients. Soete proves my point. There is a decreasing need for those delivery services, now, so it is logical that costs should be reduced proportionately, including taxes. However, if we look at the situation by pessimistically assuming that the government wants to maintain its revenue no matter what, it's obvious that Soete's position is "logical" from his limited standpoint. The problem is that carried to its ultimate extreme, if technology completely eliminated the need for the services that governments currently provide, those same governments would still want the same amount of revenue! This kind of thinking only makes sense to governement employees. >"As society moves toward the information society, tax revenue needs to shift >emphasis from material goods to virtual goods and services," he said. I >think we will see a very rapid introduction [of such a tax structure] in one >or two years' time." This quote seems to assume that tax revenues should be just about as constant and unavoidable as death and...uh...taxes. I would sure like to see some hint of recognition that tax revenues SHOULD fall as a consequence of technological progress. >Soete said he believes the tax "can be introduced in a very straightforward >way. Every telephone operator and service provider has a record of the >bytes moved. They can be the tax collectors." This is probably the most outrageous and hilarious thing he is saying. If anything, practically no software today has any ability to collect the kind of information he thinks is already being collected. > >He acknowledged the prevailing "negative view about a bit tax" and >attributed it in part of "concern that it could inhibit adoption of >information technology. That's a straw man. What a "bit tax" would do is to skew the market in favor of "low-bit" services, and against high ones. Sending a GIF or an audio file would become cost-prohibitive, while email would stay cheap. While, arguably, there are reasons to charge more for more bits (more transmission capacity is necessary), the amount of that extra charge would probably be exceedingly small if it were "fair." > But once people have the technology, not many >would go back. Whether the tax is 1 cent per bit or 1 cent per kbit is, of >course, completely open." He completely misunderstands the inability of the system to know the "value" of a given transmitted bit, and without this information the only system left is a flat tax-per-bit which would be entirely impractical. >Soete last week cast the bit tax as a progressive levy that would fall >hardest on big business and that would not deter private individuals from >joining the information society. This is bullshit. He's just trying to sucker the great unwashed into believing that taxing the Internet is a way to make the other guy pay the toll. It won't work. >Soete believes the bit-tax should be used to fund social security or >welfare. Not a prayer! He's trying to get the geezers to look upon the Internet as a cash cow. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Burns Bill
by jseiger＠cdt.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Frantz writes: > A quick read thru the text of the bill (via http://www.cdt.org/crypto/) > shows none of the principle objectionable features of the Lehey bill. > (Standards for key escrow agents, and additional criminal penalties for > using encryption to hinder an investigation.) > > This bill has some obscure, to me, exceptions. The most troubling of which > I think means (IANAL) that export can be restricted if there is a > reasonable expectation that the hard/software will be reexported to one of > the countries on the extreme bad boys list. I will point out that as things stand under U.S. law you aren't even allowed to export toilet paper if the expectation is that the ultimate customer is on the extreme bad boys list. Although as a libertarian I find any such provision distasteful I cannot see that we are badly off if the rules for exporting crypto and exporting toilet paper are roughtly similar. > in any case, it is not clear how passage of the bill could possibly > make things worse. I think that is key. Perry * PROTECT THE INTERNET AND THE FUTURE OF FREE SPEECH IN THE INFORMATION AGE * Join the legal challenge against the Communications Decency Act! For More Information, Visit the CIEC Web Page http://www.cdt.org/ciec/ or email <ciec-info(a)cdt.org> -- Jonah Seiger, Policy Analyst Center for Democracy and Technology <jseiger(a)cdt.org> 1634 Eye Street NW, Suite 1100 Washington, DC 20006 (v) +1.202.637.9800 PGP Key via finger (f) +1.202.637.0968 http://www.cdt.org/ http://www.cdt.org/homes/jseiger/

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Re: CryptoAnarchy: What's wrong with this picture?
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:05 AM 5/3/96 -0400, Michael Loomis wrote: >No tax system will ever been perfect, but income taxation is a good >system of taxation. Income taxation inevitably requires some accounting >costs, but these costs should be going down with advances in computing >technology and other technology. The income tax necessarily violates privacy in ways that were thought outrageous a few when it was first introduced. There were numerous cartoons on the subject, but people accepted it because only the rights of a tiny handful of very rich people were going to to be violated. (I hear the same argument all the time on the privacy list, where lots of people want the government to have root access to the computers of the evil capitalist overlords in order that the government can protect their privacy.) As our capacity to protect our privacy and still engage in complex extended transactions improves, I expect that once again the income tax will come to be seen as an intolerable and utterly unacceptable violation of peoples rights and future generations will be amazed at our ignorant barbarity. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Here is some E-Commerce Info.
by Joseph M. Reagle Jr. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:47 PM 5/2/96 EDT, Sally D. McMillan wrote: >I am writing a paper on electronic commerce, and I wonder if anyone happens to >know of interesting URLs addressing the subject, including security issues? >If you know of a good location for electronic commerce/security information, >please email me directly >at the following address: >103007.3426(a)compuserve.com >THANKS A LOT!! Sally Tons of it on every topic: http://ccs.mit.edu/15967/groups.html _______________________ Regards, Men govern nothing with more difficulty than their tongues, and can moderate their desires more than their words. -Spinoza Joseph Reagle http://farnsworth.mit.edu/~reagle/home.html reagle(a)mit.edu E0 D5 B2 05 B6 12 DA 65 BE 4D E3 C1 6A 66 25 4E

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