December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Practicing for 'saving' America?
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

They had bodies. Bodies of these men's brothers, crew members from the helicopter or Delta soldiers, it was hard to tell from the angles and distances of the camera shots. They were dragging a body through the street at the end of a rope, kicking and poking at the lifeless form. It was ugly and savage, and the men went back out to the hangar and cleaned their weapons and waited for orders that would send them back out. Delta Sgt. Paul Howe was ready. If he was going back out, he was going to kill as many Somalis as he could. He'd had enough. No more rules of engagement, no more toeing some abstract moral line. He was going to cut a gruesome path through these people. http://www3.phillynews.com/packages/somalia/dec12/default12.asp And what happens if we, as citizens, resist the assault of minimally trained local and regional law enforcement agencies operating with massive firepower donated to them by the federal government, and acting under the direction of local government figures who have personal agendas and local political axes to grind? We have already seen the future of law enforcement in the travesties that have already occurred in our cites and towns as a result of the mythical War On Drugs. There is a remarkable parallel in our sending troops into both Somolian and American cities to 'protect the people' from WarLords and DrugLords. In both cases, the Lords die of old age while our self-proclaimed protectors "cut a gruesome path" through the Peasants. In the early 80's, as I watched the helicopters touch down in the Ettersburg, California schoolyard and heavily armed men in camoflage piling out in full view of the children, I had an uneasy feeling that what I was observing went far beyond the stated objective of CAMP (Campaign Against Marihuana Production). After observing the armed assault against mostly happy-hippies living in the hills for some period of time, I eventually realized that the true objective of CAMP was to promote cooperation and interagency comradship between federa l, state and local law enforcement groups. The local yokel volunteers from various law enforcement agencies got to play with the Big Boys, and with the Big Boys Toys, and use the cover of legality to become fully immersed in the mentality needed for an unquestioning assault on the populace. Why pass better laws when you can just arm your enforcers with heavier weaponry, instead? Why provide true justice when you can just make everything a felony and plead it down, instead? Why bother telling 'good' lies when the Herdizens have become so numbed to the lies and thievery of their rulers that 'bad' lies will suffice? Why bother pretending that there will be jacuzzis waiting at the end of the ride in the cattle-car when the Sheeple are passively being herded into them by the strength of an established culture of oppression? Why bother claiming that you 'only want Austria'... ~~~~ Toto <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> ~~~~

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Cryptography and DNA
by Dmitry Goldgaber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Chaffing and winnowing in molecular biology" Ronald L. Rivest's method for hiding information by breaking it in to packets mixed with other meaningless packets is similar to an approach which is used in organic systems, at the DNA level. In our bodies, packets of meaningful information from the DNA used for encoding protein sequences, called exons, are mixed with meaningless stretches of DNA, called introns. Certain rules exist for putting protein coding sequences together which are based on information around the intron/exon border. The analogy between cryptographic techniques and biological processes at the genetic level are striking. I believe that principles of protien coding may be useful to the cryptographic community. In turn, the principles and methods used by the cryptographic community may be useful to those who are analysing DNA sequences which are available and are becoming available from the Human Genome Project and other non-human Genome projects. Dmitry Goldgaber

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Re: Reno and Freeh talking about Crypto and "Terrorism"
by alt1＠snowhill.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:45 PM 3/31/98 -0500, Frederick Burroughs wrote: >Obviously the Justice Dept. requires a few big busts involving crypto. >The case should be one in which the perpetrators attempt to cover their >misdeeds behind strong crypto. An informant will be needed to allow >"plausible deniability". That is, Justice will say, "If not for the >informant, we would have never been able to access the encrypted >evidence. We can't depend on informants, we need better access." The >crime should resonate abhorrent with the public, child prostitution >ring, illegal dumping of hazardous waste, securities fraud against >retirees, something that will generate a lot of letters to Congress. In >the light of these pending realities, Congress will be all too willing >to give out keys to the backdoor. Don't forget the more obvious: an "impending terrorist attack by crazed gun owners who are outraged by reasonable restrictions on firearms."

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Re: Clinton's enemy files
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-04-01 18:41:52 EST, "nobody" writes: << @TEXT RNC Chairman Blasts White House for Maintaining 'Enemies Files' ... >> And if you (or 'nobody' ;-) ) believes anything that the RNC says, you'll also believe that Jones had a case. Ha! Stan

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Meganet Corporation Ships Virtual Matrix Encryption Nationwide; new $1.2 Million Challenge Begins Today
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

_I_ am not joking on this April Fools' day. I picked it up from a stock website. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Wednesday April 1, 11:00 am Eastern Time Company Press Release SOURCE: Meganet Corporation Meganet Corporation Ships Virtual Matrix Encryption Nationwide; New $1.2 Million Challenge Begins Today LOS ANGELES, April 1 /PRNewswire/ -- Meganet Corporation, who challenged Microsoft (Nasdaq: MSFT - news), Intel (Nasdaq: INTC - news), Dell (Nasdaq: DELL - news), AT&T (NYSE: T - news), NCR (NYSE: NCR - news) and many other high tech companies with their unbreakable encryption is shipping VME98 nationwide. As of today, April 1st, 1998, anyone in the continental United States of America can buy VME98 directly from the Meganet web site at http://www.meganet.com. Prices for the standard edition are only $100 for a fully operational application. After 12 months of Research & Development, Meganet Corporation completed 21 different commercial versions of VME98 last month, and the product is now being sold nationwide through the World Wide Web. Virtual Matrix Encryption is the strongest encryption available today, and the product is available ONLY in the United States of America. For the time being, there are no sales in any other countries, though Meganet Corporation is considering applying for an export license. Meganet Corporation also keeps on working on standardizing VME with the different standards committees. Meganet Corporation is also launching their 3rd challenge which is worth $1.2 million over the next 12 months. Starting today, and for the next 12 months, Meganet Corporation will post a monthly $100,000 challenge for registered users of VME98. This new challenge shows Meganet Corporation has absolute confidence that VME98 is completely unbreakable. Today's date also marks 1 year from the first 1 million dollar challenge that brought Meganet Corporation nationwide recognition. The challenge lasted 45 days and over 55,000 people participated. None have succeeded. Today also marks the end of the second challenge which lasted over 6 months, where Meganet Corporation challenged the top 250 corporations in the U.S. to test and break VME97. None have succeeded. The challenge solution will be posted on the Meganet web site at http://www.meganet.com. Meganet Corporation has a U.S. patent pending for VME. The technology uses a new field of encryption and a new algorithm to encrypt data that is completely different from any existing method. VME is the only algorithm that does not encrypt the data or transfer it. By comparing the data to a random built-in Virtual Matrix, a system of pointers is being created. These pointers are meaningless outside the context of the matrix they belong to, while being repeatedly encrypted in a plethora of algorithms. Even in the unlikely event that the algorithms are compromised, the set of pointers discovered is completely unrelated to the original data, and there is no way to derive the original data out of the pointers set. The Virtual Matrix encryption enables the world's first and only unbreakable encryption. More information about Meganet Corporation and the Virtual Matrix Encryption can be found at http://www.meganet.com. SOURCE: Meganet Corporation More Quotes and News: AT&T Corp (NYSE:T - news) Dell Computer Corp (Nasdaq:DELL - news) Intel Corp (Nasdaq:INTC - news) Microsoft Corp (Nasdaq:MSFT - news) NCR Corp (NYSE:NCR - news) Related News Categories: ISDEX, computer hardware, computers, internet, semiconductors, software, telecom, telecom Hel - Igor.

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[Fwd: This is a neat one]
by sphantom 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

sphantom wrote: > What if Dr.Seuss Wrote Technical Training Manuals? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>COMPUTER MANUAL by Dr. Seuss<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > With Apologies to Dr. Seuss > > If a packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port, > And the bus is interrupted as a very last resort, > And the address of the memory makes your floppy disk abort, > Then the socket packet pocket has an error to report! > > If your cursor finds a menu item followed by a dash, > And the double-clicking icon puts your window in the trash, > And your data is corrupted 'cause the index doesn't hash, > Then your situation's hopeless, and your systems gonna crash! > > You can't say this? What a shame sir! > We'll find you another game sir! > > If the label on the cable on the table at your house, > Says the network is connected to the button on your mouse, > But your packets want to tunnel on another protocol, > That's repeatedly rejected by the printer down the hall! > > If your screen is all distorted by the side-effects of gauss, > So your icons in the window are as wavy as a souse, > Then you may as well reboot, and go out with a bang, > 'Cause as sure as I'm a poet, the sucker's gonna hang! > > If the copy of your floppy's getting sloppy on the disc, > And the microcode instructions cause unnecessary RISC, > Then you have to flash your memory, and you'll want to RAM your ROM, > Quickly turn off the computer and be sure to tell your MOM! To: the flowers <cflowers(a)sjsd.k12.mo.us> Subject: This is a neat one From: sphantom <shadow(a)tfs.net> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 21:44:38 -0600 CC: JP <jp1(a)journey.com>, Jason Price <jprice(a)ponyexpress.net> Organization: Beware of phantoms who hide in shadows... Reply-To: shadow(a)tfs.net What if Dr.Seuss Wrote Technical Training Manuals? >>>>>>>>>>>>COMPUTER MANUAL by Dr. Seuss<<<<<<<<<<<<<< With Apologies to Dr. Seuss If a packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port, And the bus is interrupted as a very last resort, And the address of the memory makes your floppy disk abort, Then the socket packet pocket has an error to report! If your cursor finds a menu item followed by a dash, And the double-clicking icon puts your window in the trash, And your data is corrupted 'cause the index doesn't hash, Then your situation's hopeless, and your systems gonna crash! You can't say this? What a shame sir! We'll find you another game sir! If the label on the cable on the table at your house, Says the network is connected to the button on your mouse, But your packets want to tunnel on another protocol, That's repeatedly rejected by the printer down the hall! If your screen is all distorted by the side-effects of gauss, So your icons in the window are as wavy as a souse, Then you may as well reboot, and go out with a bang, 'Cause as sure as I'm a poet, the sucker's gonna hang! If the copy of your floppy's getting sloppy on the disc, And the microcode instructions cause unnecessary RISC, Then you have to flash your memory, and you'll want to RAM your ROM, Quickly turn off the computer and be sure to tell your MOM!

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illegal export of pgp.zip by .mil
by David Honig 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://braggbbs.bragg.army.mil/libs/utils.htm has a link to ftp://bbs.bragg.army.mil/library/utils/pgp262.zip Someone (from Europe, ideally) should clue these people in. Maybe cc the media. honig(a)alum.mit.edu ------------------ "Are we going after their tax returns? I can only hope that we are, frankly, doing a little persecuting" ---Nixon to Erlichman, on tax audits of wealth Jewish contributors to the Democrats. -LA Times 1.4.98

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Reno and Freeh talking about Crypto and Terrorism
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"A balanced solution between the interests of the public and the interests of law enforcement." - THE LIE

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Prologue 16/0 - SPACE ALIENS HIDE MY DRUGS!!!
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Title: Prologue 16/0 SPACE ALIENS HIDE MY DRUGS Prologue 16/0 SPACE ALIENS HIDE MY DRUGS!!! First of all, let me stress the importance of cracking in our everyday life. Cracking it's not just about software, it's about information, about all patterns of life. To crack is to refuse to be controlled and used by others, to crack is to be free. But you must also be yourself free from petty conventions in order to crack properly. You must learn to discern cracking possibilities all around yourself, and believe me, the development of this ghastly society brings every day new codes, protections and concealing mechanisms. All around us grows a world of codes and secret and not so secret patterns. Codes that are at times so familiar and common that we do not even notice them any more... and yet they are there to fool us, and yet they offer marvelous cracking possibilities. http://fravia.org/crack_C1.htm From: Dmitry Goldgaber dgoldgaber(a)mail.psychiatry.sunysb.edu To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Cryptography and DNA "Chaffing and winnowing in molecular biology" Ronald L. Rivest's method for hiding information by breaking it in to packets mixed with other meaningless packets is similar to an approach which is used in organic systems, at the DNA level. In our bodies, packets of meaningful information from the DNA used for encoding protein sequences, called exons, are mixed with meaningless stretches of DNA, called introns. Certain rules exist for putting protein coding sequences together which are based on information around the intron/exon border. The analogy between cryptographic techniques and biological processes at the genetic level are striking. I believe that principles of protein coding may be useful to the cryptographic community. In turn, the principles and methods used by the cryptographic community maybe useful to those who are analyzing DNA sequences which are available and are becoming available from the Human Genome Project and other non-human Genome projects. Dmitry Goldgaber dgoldgaber(a)mail.psychiatry.sunysb.edu ...only one remark, may be: the DOS/UNIX world seems very neglected in the essays... everybody is cracking exclusively the newest applications for windoze, and that could be a mistake: I said that we must crack windoze in order to throw our seeds with the wind, true, but let's not forget that, as you know very well, a good knowledge of the past is the only tool you can relay on in order to foresee the future... ...You see fravia+, for the first time in the history of humanity knowledge can be spread for free and reach anybody who cares :=) I don't know if this contingency will last, coz many powerful forces are struggling against this. Should knowledge, their efforts notwithstanding, continue to flow in this way, it will change the face of the world as we know it. http://fravia.org/academy.htm Now, Bubba explained, the Evil Forces were regrouping to once again take control of the world, and they had been working through our new, hi-tech gods, the Gods of Communication--television and computers. "There were those who tried to warn us," he said. "Marshal McLuhan was our hi-tech 'John the Baptist,' "The Medium Is The Message" became our new Bible, but he, too, was just a "voice crying in the wilderness." "Others, like the "Android Sisters," we relegated to the status of clowns and entertainers as the 'Media' lulled us to sleep and became our 'Waking Dream,' our new reality." "Where once we sacrificed sheep, offering up the blood of the innocent to appease our gods," Bubba railed, with ever mounting conviction, "now we have become the sheep to be led to the slaughter by our 'Gods of Communication.' "And the shadow of Gomez falls ever more frequently across our door, like a pestilence upon the land and its people." Bubba Rom Dos, derelict and philosopher, surveyed the crowd, which had now gone totally silent, and proceeded to explain some of the things he claimed to have learned in the Far East from a group which was, according to him, actively working to counter the new 'Angels of Darkness' which had already begun launching their assault upon mankind, using our own new hi-tech environment. "Demons," he explained, "have always worked their will through our own physical reality in order to accomplish their ends. Television has lulled our minds into a deep slumber, and now they are free to attack through the mechanisms of the physical instrument which is becoming a part of, and controlling force over, the whole of our lives---the computer." "Our lives are tracked and controlled by numbers---our address, our phone number, our social security number, our driver's license and passport numbers. And now all these numbers are being controlled by computers---computers that can communicate all around the world, at the touch of a button. Computers that can, in an instant, separate us into categories according to our names, our race, our political beliefs, or by the names of our children. Computers that know all, and see all." Bubba explained how the Evil One is making his bid, once again, to write his own happy ending in the Final Chapter of the war between the 'forces of good and evil.' He told of how Gomez and the Dark Allies (Daemons, Zombies, and Orphan Zombies) have been unleashed to wreak their havoc in the Final Battle, with the Hounds of Hell nipping at our heels and the dreaded Cron orchestrating this whole savage 'Dance of Armageddon.' By now the crowd had grown deathly silent and Bubba, sensing that they were, individually and collectively, on the edge of despair, began talking about what could be done to alleviate, and perhaps even remedy, the present desperate situation. He explained that the reason that many of the best computer hackers around were teenagers was that they are in the hot, throbbing throes of puberty, and were thus very conscious of the yin-yang aspects of computers, which basically consist of just hardware and software. The hardware, he said, is the yang, or male aspect, of computers, while the software is the yin, or female, component. "Hardware is very ego-centered, it wants everything it's own way. In order to operate correctly, it wants everything to be very structured, in the place it wants it to be in, and meeting its own narrow criterion. When you turn the hardware on it gives itself a little diagnostic 'hitch in the crotch' to check its equipment, and says, 'let's get at it'---it's ready for some action." "Software is more flexible and malleable. It is more willing to go with the flow and change to meet the requirements for the job at hand, rather than forcing things to be done in a certain way. Good software will do anything you want it to do---it just wants to be coaxed with the right words and syntax, so that you don't think of it as being too 'easy.' Bubba explained that programmers are what Gurdjieff referred to as the 'third,' or 'unifying,' force in the universe, capable of bringing the yin and yang aspects of the cosmos into union with one another to produce a third, unique force. "Programmers are the unifying force that supply the energy enabling two separate and unique components, hardware and software, to have a relationship that is capable of productivity and growth. A marriage of matter that could spawn and produce a multitude of children to go forth and do many new things in the world, for better or worse, for good or for evil." "You are society's last hope for thwarting the Forces of Evil gearing up for the final battle, readying themselves to wreak grievous havoc upon the world, such that it has never known. It is up to you to 'raise the torch,' and let the 'light of knowledge' spread throughout the civilized world, in the thread of 'clues' scattered throughout the UNIX operating system, and throughout your programming and your instructions." "You must band together, man and woman, young and old, into a 'Magic Circle' for your own protection from the Forces of Darkness! You must develop your own secret codes and rituals to deal with the Evil Forces which will beset you daily once you set foot on the Path of Righteousness." At this point Bubba, who had been sucking rather liberally on a bottle of Wild Turkey during this rousing and inspiring 'spiritual soliloquy,' started to lose his train of thought and began to babble randomly about young boys' hardware and young girls' software, making statements that downright smacked of pedophilia, and it turned into quite a nasty scene before the students finally threw him out of the meeting. But a spark had been ignited before the old geezer finally lost control of his mind, as well as some of his bodily functions, and the evening marked the initial development of the 'Post-Ancient Rites' of the Computer Age---and the beginning of an underground Secret Society later to become known by those within the 'Magic Circle' as the "Circle of Eunuchs." http://www.clas.net/~dave/public/xenix We are already now thoroughly involved in this, and your "students' essays" page is a very good example of a potential new dawn. We will see in due time... let us sip our cocktails and wait... as I told you, the repercussions, on the web never immediate, yet the inertial effects of our work can be huge. Thank to your (and other) sites, those who want to learn will now be able to begin learning (and teaching, which is the other side of the same extraordinary mirror) within very powerful frames. It was about time: maiora premunt! The world of the near future will be a "world of software", an half-virtual world, where code will assume today unbelievable massive proportions, where" reality" will not count much for the pavlovian gullible beings that will forget their miserable slave conditions deafened by the concerted (and concocted) "virtuality" that they will Oh so much love. A world of software, a world of code, and therefore, as usual, a world of hidden codes and hidden meanings (as if the world we live in now did not have already enough of them :=( I just hope that many of our "students" will soon tackle the more complex and even less rewarding task of cracking the reality they live in... hoc opus, hic labor: software protections are only a tiny part of the "unknown" world around us, albeit a very useful playground to flex your "reversing muscles". Our students and friends will have the difficult (and seldom rewarding) task of finding the keys of its concealed doors, in order to donate them to all those who care, to all those that our enemies are determined to leave outside. In fact they "must" remain out in order to allow fat profits for a minority. This future codeworld will be a scary world indeed if we don't modify (or destroy) the rails our societies are now running on: I advice you to fasten your seat belt and to seat next to an emergency exit. Like cracking. Work well, +ORC http://fravia.org/academy.htm Shackling the state * by Nuri Albala If signed, the current MAI proposals would form a benchmark for the global investment economy, taking precedence over most existing national obligations and agreements. The multinational corporations would be given powerful ammunition against sovereign states and the legal means to enforce their new "rights". It is a dynamic agreement which would ultimately "rollback" all national laws which did not conform. Translated by Julie Stoker http://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/md/en/ The infamous "privatization" and "rationalization" trend of the last decades, basically aimed to degrade the quality of life in the whole world in order to allow more profits for the few that had the economic power, among many other damages, wiped away the "conductors" all over the world. A society where the cloak of rationalization is used only to blind people, tricking them into losing life quality and into political immobility through a well orchestrated propaganda machine in order, as always, to allow very few to make a lot of profit... Yes, as I have repeatedly told you: quality of life has been continuously and purposely lowered, in order to allow bigger profits for the few that control this awful society of stupid slaves: planes land noisy at night, whole suburbs abandoned to the savages, you have to carry heavy water home and your pensions (should you have the right to a pension) will be cut (or completely eliminated) in the near future in name of the "rationalization". In the mean time all social cushions are being stripped off one by one, in name of the "globalization" and of the "free play" of the market forces, which are nothing else than the uncontrollable throbbing for profits of the few that control these markets. Don't be deceived if there is nothing about cracking code above... decoding life is much more important than decoding code, and you wont be able to feel the code if you don't learn first to decode the world around you. A devastated, scorched society, that's where we live in, a desert of intelligence where only some faint lights glow. Make so that your brain will help others to find the way to understand the world around them with unsullied eyes, that's the real task of a cracker. Moreover inside each country (rich and poor alike) takes place an analogous "development" in favor of the richest part of the population... that's the current "progress of humanity" stand behind all bla-bla-bla: rich get richer, poor get poorer... a nice society indeed, headed at full speed against a brick wall. Because we are more than code crackers: we are reality crackers, my kids. +ORC, the old red cracker, August 1997 http://fravia.org/modernze.htm Requiem for a Fallen Comrade: One of the original members of the Circle of Eunuchs recently began analyzing information gleaned from an AI Model designed to enable herself and others to calculate the variation between the economic gains provided by the evolution of technology and the reflection of these gains in the economic evolution of society, as a whole. The AI Model was designed and generated using techniques and methodologies which have already proved to provide exemplary results in regard to reflecting real-world results, as reflected by analysis and direct observation. Her preliminary report, based on what she considered to be a solid--though incomplete--foundation, was that there appeared to be an astounding amount of wealth generated by evolving applied technology which was disappearing down a "Black Hole." Shortly after providing her preliminary report, she, also, "disappeared down a Black hole," as did her equipment and all record of her work on the project, code-named Robyn Steele. Permanent residents of TVWorld are unlikely to notice her absence, but those who strive to live their life in a waking state are well aware that there is a star missing in the sky over Lost Alamo that brought much sparkle and joy to those who dare to venture out into the darkness to help others find their way to the light. http://dev.null/Alexis.htm The Revolution is NOW! http://www.clas.net/~dave/public/infowar3 People do not want to learn to be free, and to free them we have sadly to "circumvent" them with more or less the same techniques that our enemies use to enslave them :=) Let's crack the very temples of the enemies of the humanity and poetry, the prisons where we are forced to buy and consume... let's show all idiots the WHIPS that are used to enslave them... as always light comes through knowledge. Remember that NOTHING is casual in this awful society where people are CULTIVATED to consume and nothing else than that. Around you almost everything has a "secret" meaning, that you are not supposed to see, understand or crack So let's battle against them! Codebar! Understand! Explain others! Free the stupid slaves... watch the world around you free from petty convention and understand in what for an awful mess you are condemned to live! http://fravia.org/slaves.htm Prologue to 'WebWorld & The Mythical Circle of Eunuchs' The great tragedy of it, is that it didn't have to happen. Not at all...we were warned. And yet, still, it has come to this. I don't know why I feel this overwhelming compulsion to go on and on about it. I could have done something. We all could have done something. Perhaps the final epitaph on the gravestone of Freedom will be, "Why didn't somebody do something?" That seems to be the common battle-cry of the legions of humanity that have been sucked into the vortex of the New World Order. None of the imprisoned seem to know that the very phrase itself is reflective of the source of their imprisonment...that this desperate cry of anguish is in no way an antidote for the terrible disease that has afflicted 'Liberty and Justice', and that it is, rather, merely the final symptom of the cursed blight itself. I can hear the rumbling of the trucks as they come up the street, and soon I will be hearing the thumping of the jackboots storming up the staircase, as I have heard them so many times before. But I suspect that this time, the sound will be different, that it will have an ethereal quality about it, one which conveys greater personal meaning than it did when I heard it on previous occasions. This time, they are coming for me. My only hope is that I can find the strength of character somewhere inside myself to ask the question which lies at the heart of why there is a 'they' to come for me at all...why, in the end, it has finally come to this for me, as for countless others. The question is, in retrospect, as simple and basic as it is essential for any who still espouse the concepts of freedom and liberty to ask themselves upon finding themselves marveling at the outrageousness being perpetrated upon their neighbors by 'them'...by 'others'...by 'Friends of the Destroyer.' The question is: "Why didn't I do something?" http://www.clas.net/~dave/public/webworld

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Secure your E-mail with your Digital ID
by VeriSign Customer Service 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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regulating the internet
by Jennifer DePalma 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anyone have any opinions on the feasibility of regulating the internet?

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Electrical Substation Control Service
by info＠fsbowner.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Crytozilla operational 15 h after Netscape releases Mozilla source
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In yet another painful blow against US export regulations, the international Mozilla Crypto Group replaced the crypto code that US regulations forced Netscape to remove before publication of the Mozilla source. It took the group all of 15 hours to do so. This should make for a nice tidbit to be used in future depositions or testimony. http://mozilla-crypto.ssleay.org/press/19980401-02/index.html -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred

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regulating the internet -- clarification
by Jennifer DePalma 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To clarify: I'm serious about this question, if for no other reason than I am editing a paper that basically claims it is impossible to regulate the internet. I wish that were true, but I'm not sure I buy it. Any input is most appreciated.

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RE: regulating the internet
by Trei, Peter 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Your question is too vague to get any kind of simple answer. Regulate *what* exactly? Protocol standards? Pricing? Volume of traffic? Traffic content? Internationally or domestically? If domestic, which countries? Use of encryption? Anonymity? Digital signatures? Taxation? Email content? Spam? Porn? Usenet? Web sites? IRC? DNS naming services? Digital telephony? Packets currently fly around the world as free as migratory birds, and as hampered by borders. Peter Trei ptrei(a)securitydynamics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Jennifer DePalma [SMTP:jdepalma@cato.org] > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 1:30 PM > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: regulating the internet > > Anyone have any opinions on the feasibility of regulating the > internet? >

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Im Jenny
by Oasis179 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To: Oasis179(a)aol.com Subject: Im Jenny From: Oasis179 <Oasis179(a)aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:53:51 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Hi I'm Jenny and I made a webpage which has my picture on it, I think im very pretty, tell me what you think. Click Here

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by T. Luv 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Re: regulating the internet
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----Original Message----- From: Jennifer DePalma <jdepalma(a)cato.org> To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> Date: Thursday, April 02, 1998 11:24 AM Subject: regulating the internet >Anyone have any opinions on the feasibility of regulating the internet? What is life? [Please reply by private, encrypted email--I plan to sell the answer by email MLM.]

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WOW-COM News Update
by owner-wow-com-news-update＠nmpinc.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

====================================================== This update is sponsored by Hughes Network Systems http://www.joinhns.com ====================================================== CTIA's WOW-COM named a "TOP WEB SITE" by Mobile Computing & Communications Magazine (2/98) Dear WOW-COM Reader: WOW-COM(TM) is the wireless industry's online information source, a FREE service of CTIA. The world of wireless is in constant motion. Stay on top of industry news and benefit from CTIA's analysis by reading http://www.wow-com.com everyday. If you wish to remove yourself from this mailing list, please send an email to <majordomo(a)nmpinc.com> with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe wow-com-news-update If you wish to get in contact with the owner of the list, (i.e., if you have difficulty unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) please send email to <owner-wow- com-news-update(a)nmpinc.com>. Thank you. 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The modem tax never left...
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> >To: politech(a)vorlon.mit.edu >Subject: http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1869,00.html The NotReally News ReportWhore informs us: > * * * > Is the "modem tax" back? FCC Commissioner Susan Ness said on > Monday that ISPs might have to pay so-called universal service charges > that help subsidize cheap rural phone service and school and library > Internet connections. Declan, Something that Republican children of the post-JFK generation all remember is where they were when George Bush said, "Read my (moving) lips...No New Taxes!" The great tragedy of their times, though they still fail to recognize it even today, is that the citizens present at that occassion did not rush the stage and drag him to the nearest tree with a limb strong enough to hold his weight when a rope was thrown over it and attached to his neck. The sticky PrePubescizens of the WebGeneration will someday regret that their parents stood by and didn't even bother watching as the Analogue Lies of the Controllers were transformed into Digital Lies suitable for implant into the brains of the Robotizens, via the infrared wave emission capabilities of TeleTunnelVision and JavasCrapGraphics. I know that you make your living in the Belly of the DCBeast, so you don't want to slay the Monster Who Lays The Golden Eggs, but couldn't you at least try to make sure that the Monster gets a little of the Bad Eggs it is hurling at the Flockizens on its own face? How about some headlines such as: "Lying Piece of DC Shit Claims Hands-Off Internet Policy" "Arrogant Thieves Expect Victims To Believe They Won't Shake Down NetUsers." "Armed Terrorists Fake Retreat To Draw Victims Into Ambush." > * * * >Some excerpts from Commissioner Ness' remarks: > > "Local telcos complain that data calls typically last much > longer than voice calls, tying up switches and requiring > the addition of more capacity in the loop and the central > office. And this is True (TM)? Are there any real reporters left in the media who are capable of analyzing the Claims (TM) being made by those promoting Facts (TM) meant to serve their own-self interests? (Not a 'crime', but neither should it be a 'gimme.') Is their anyone in the techno-reporting industry who is capable of including an analysis of the claims of various players in the game of Buy The Pot? Are any of those reporting on the Telecos' claims capable of informing those with a limited knowledge of the technology involved if the analog and digital signals being discussed are comparable in terms of the 'burden' that they place on the Telecos, or if InterNet service would be more efficient or competitive if put into the hands of other communications infrastructures? If the local Telecos are finding themselves 'burdened' by InterNet traffic, then perhaps they should share that terrible burden with Cable Companies, and other entities who would like a chance to compete for the InterNet business which is currently in the dictatorial grip of the Regulators Who Feed At The Teleco Trough. I expect that I can find the answers to the questions I have about these matters by reading a mountain of information from various sources, and then distilling it down to manageable proportions suitable for analysis. It seems to me that if the media is not providing that type of service to me, then I might save myself time by accessing the original 'press releases' by various government and corporate entities, and not have to wade through mountains of media 'news' which adds little to what was handed to them on a silver platter for advertising/disinformation/promotion purposes. ~ ~ Toto ~ ~ "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://www.clas.net/~dave/public/xenix "WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs" http://www.clas.net/~dave/public/webworld "InfoWar -- The Digital Revolution" http://www.clas.net/~dave/public/infowar3 "Space Aliens Hide My Drugs" http://www.clas.net/~dave/public/sahmd

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17 Dec '03

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V-Chip Reruns...
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A member of Peacefire (http://www.peacefire.org/join/) who has volunteered to pull the Fire Alarm at a White House To Be Named Later, on April 19th, at 9:02 a.m., forwarded: ******************************************************* [In honor of April Fool's Day, the following message about a "V-Chip for books" was first posted on the Internet two years ago on April 1, 1996. During that time, Internet censorship was a national concern after the passing of the Communications Decency Act, and censorship systems for the Internet, like the V-Chip for television, were just starting to gain public attention. The news of a "V-Chip for books" was met with an outpouring of support from some parents who apparently didn't recognize it as a joke.] [Forwarder's Note: There was also a great outpouring of support for the gentleman who began the non-profit society promoting the clothing of animals, to cover their 'private parts.' While fools like yourself 'work for a living,' eh?] News Release -- April 1st, 1996 V-chip rating system extended to books CLA endorses 'V-barcode' plan The Canadian Library Association today announced its intention to comply with the wishes of millions of Canadians who had signed a petition decrying the increasing presence of "vivid imagery of sex and violence" in books targetted at children. "Once my daughter started reading books in the 'Goose Bumps' series", says one concerned parent, "reading became like an addiction to her." Even though the books were so violent and scary the girl had nightmares. "Soon she started reading beyond her grade level and was getting into books with 'adult themes'." The problem, say most busy parents, is that kids can visit the local library and borrow anything they choose, regardless of their family's values. The new book rating system, modelled after television's highly successful V-chip, has been dubbed the V-barcode, because each book will have a machine-readable "barcode" on the spine that encodes a rating of the book's contents on several scales: sex, violence, coarse language, drug use, religion, and 'alternative lifestyles'. "This isn't about censorship", says Keith Spicer, who recently joined the CLA as policy director after leaving the CRTC, "this is about choice, ... about empowering parents to make choices." Under the new system, parents will select their family's "tolerance levels" on each scale. These are encoded as a barcode on their child's library card. When a child wants to borrow a book, the librarian simply passes the library card and book over a scanner (just like the ones used in the supermarket) and a screen instantly displays whether authorization should be granted. "It's a marvel of technology", bubbles Spicer, "it's just like the child's parent is there, saying to the child -- 'No, we don't borrow that kind of book in this family.'". The CLA dismisses complaints the system will be burdensome. "We already have barcodes on most books, so the cost of the new system will be incidental", said a CLA spokesperson. Library patrons can expect to pay an additional $5 per year over their normal borrowing fees. "The V-barcode is just a small part of the overall solution for dealing with violence in books," says Spicer. "The best way of dealing with bad books is to have more good books, and we hope that once children stop borrowing the bad books publishers will start printing books of better quality." There are still a few wrinkles to be worked out, however. Some skeptical parents think children might start hanging out in libraries -- where they can still read books they aren't allowed to borrow. Still, to many parents, the new system gives a parent more control over what their child reads than is the case without this technology. "It's a social experiment worth trying", says one parent, "It will be interesting to see what guidelines will be drawn up and who will be doing the drawing. It will force people to reflect on ethics and reading, which is something we could afford to be more reflective about." Enthusiasts of the V-barcode would like to see its use expanded. "We'd like to see the V-barcode system adopted in bookstores", says Keith Spicer, "We've already got a pilot project going with the Cole's Bookstore chain and the Bank of Montreal where the parental tolerance levels are encoded into the mag-stripe on the child's bank card." A book purchase can be declined at the checkout if it exceeds the family's tolerance levels. "Cash purchases," says Spicer, "are still a problem."

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