December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Citation for NSA Type III & IV Crypto products
by Mark O. Aldrich 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

C'punks: Most who are familiar with the Fed's crypto products are aware that the NSA categorizes crypto products by "type." Type I is specified as being for classified protections (and relying upon classified key) and Type II being for SBU/other (with unclassified-only key). I recall, however, that there were also categories called Type III and Type IV. I think that Type III had to do with industry use, with Government-generated key. Type IV I can't recall at all. Now, I can't find the citation where these things were described. The EPL cites only Type I & II, Dockmaster has proven of no use, and the search engines can't find anything on the Net. Does anyone recall where a discussion of these types can be found? TIA. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Just as the strength of the Internet is |Mark Aldrich | |chaos, so the strength of our liberty |GRCI INFOSEC Engineering | |depends upon the chaos and cacophony of |maldrich(a)grci.com | |the unfettered speech the First Amendment|MAldrich(a)dockmaster.ncsc.mil | |protects - District Judge Stewart Dalzell| | |_______________________________________________________________________| |The author is PGP Empowered. Public key at: finger maldrich(a)grci.com | | The opinions expressed herein are strictly those of the author | | and my employer gets no credit for them whatsoever. | -------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [SIGNAL] Microsoft's Internet Explorer
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:22 8/14/96, Jüri Kaljundi wrote: > Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Frank Stuart kirjutas: > >> According to C-Net Radio (http://www.cnet.com/) Microsoft will be including >> 128-bit SSL encryption in their Internet Explorer 3.0 for Win 95 and NT 4.0. > >As M$IE 3.0 is now available for download from www.microsoft.com, I did >notice there is also a 128-bit version there, which requires you to first >fill in data about you. Unfortunately microsoft.com is so slow right now, >that I did not have a chance to try to download 128-bit version by filling >in my favourite US politicians name. I don't see the 128 bit version. URL? -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Defeat the Demopublican Unity Party. Vote no on Clinton/Dole in November. Vote Harry Browne for President.

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Imprisoned Capital
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:12 PM 8/14/96 +-200, Bart Croughs wrote: >If investors use their capital to invest abroad, this capital cannot at the same > time be used to invest at home. Only after the investors decide not to invest > abroad any more, they can invest it at home. But I was not talking about > investors who decide to stop investing abroad and start investing at home. I > was talking about investors who decide to invest abroad instead of at home, > and the effect of such a decision on the wages in the US. There is no straightforward link between amount of capital invested and productivity or wages. If there were, some steel plants in the Soviet Union would have had the best paid and most productive workers on earth. Additionally, countries which prevent capital outflows don't receive capital inflows and thus become poorer. DCF

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Thursday, 15 August: Join Matthew Gaylor in Club Wired's Electronic Frontiers Chat
by freematt＠coil.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thursday, 15 August 6 p.m. PDT Matthew Gaylor, in Electronic Frontiers Join Gaylor and host Jon Lebkowsky on Thursday, 15 August at 6 p.m. PDT (Friday 01:00 GMT) in Electronic Frontiers. http://www.hotwired.com/eff/ [Note from Matthew Gaylor: I'll be online at ClubWired discussing cyberlibertarianism and other pro-individual rights issues. I'm sure you'll want to join the discussion. I hope to see you there.] **************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor,1933 E. Dublin-Granville Rd.,#176, Columbus, OH 43229 ****************************************************************************

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Re: key escrow idea from David Satelin of MIT Lincoln Labs
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:48 AM 8/14/96 -0400, Matt Blaze wrote: >>Remember, since the phoneco has had no competition, they've never been at >>risk from being shunned by customers who object to this secret cooperation. >>A more "realistic" position, I think, would be to conclude that if there was >>true competition, customers would be able to negotiate varying levels of >>non-cooperation in order to win customers. I suspect that post-Ruby >>Ridge/post-Waco, there would be a substantial fraction of the public who >>would conclude that it cannot trust its own government. >> > >Well, I don't know what went on before 1968, but these days phone companies >don't keep wiretap orders secret because they are being nice to the police, >they keep them secret because the court order for the weretap also orders >them to. Perhaps you aren't aware of this, but when a third party is >ordered to turn over records or access to something, the order often >includes a provision that prohibits them from revealing the order to the >subject. This is not unique to phone records; orders for bank records >frequently have secrecy provisions as well. Well, that's just the problem. These are clear violations of the 1st amendment. The law may authorize a search, but the Constitution is supposed to limits them to "reasonable" ones. And it says nothing about _secret_ ones, either. The effectiveness of the search itself can't possibly be compromised by releasing the fact of the search AFTER it occurs, which means that the inclusion of such a secrecy order can't even conceivably be supported under the US Constitution. Think of this as a two-pan balance: On the one side is the 1st amendment, a very important issue. One the other side is...nothing. Or, perhaps more accurately, no _constitutional_ issues. Remember, the Constitution does not guarantee the effectiveness of the entire investigative process; it merely addresses one portion of it, the search. (and even there, it doesn't guarantee a successful search!) If the government claims that the process is crippled by releasing the fact of the search, then I'm afraid that this is not an adequate reason to violate free-speech rights. (When the famous Miranda warning decision was made by the Supreme Court, cops said that it would cripple their investigations.) You may say, of course, "that's not how they currently interpet it," but my response is simple: Any talk of tolerating any sort of key-escrow (GAK) system must presume that the people running it are no more honest than they are today. If the cops (and the government in general) so generously misinterprets the government's "rights" with regard to wiretapping, there is simply no reason to believe that any restrictions they claim to be willing to respect now will actually be followed once such a plan is approved. Don't try to get out of this: You can't ignore past abuses. And if they were willing to do illegal taps before 1968, this tells you how inclined they are to obey the law. We've been handed an opportunity: The government wants to change its wiretap powers, and unlike previous times the public is actually aware of what's happening and can object. I think we must take this opportunity to entirely re-think the search-warrant/wiretap process. Rather than blindly accept the opinions of crooked judges who got where they are by demonstrating their willingness to "get along by going along," we should strip away all the decades of scheming, and delete the entire process. My opinion is that wiretaps are, inherently, unreasonable searches within the meaning of the Bill of Rights. Interestingly, support for this interpretation was shown when the media stated that Japan's Constitution prohibited wiretapping. This was portrayed as being somewhat of an oddity. But in reality, that Constitution was forced on Japan after WWII, by the US. Curiouser and curiouser, that happened during a time frame (pre 1968) in which wiretapping was illegal in the US, and probably believed to be unconstitutional as well. Since the US Constitution hasn't changed since then, at least with respect to searches, the only realistic conclusion is that the thing that's changed is the interpretation of the US Constitution, and not for any sound reasons either. (That Japanese Constitution, apparently not subject to such convenient re-interpretation, stands as it was when adopted, at least on this one issue.) In fact, the timing for this change is suspicious: 1968 was certainly a rather tumultuous year, what with anti-Vietnam war protests, assassinations and such. Not only in the US, but even more so in France, with the student riots. The motivation to adopt an unconstitutional wiretapping law must have been substantial. And given the fact that public polls on the concept of wiretaps repeatedly show it to be opposed by a majority of the population, I think the burden of proof is on the Denning-types to show that they're appropriate. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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DCSB: The Transnationality of Digital Cash
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----BY SAFEMAIL 1.0----- The Digital Commerce Society of Boston Presents Tatsuo Tanaka Center on Japanese Economy & Business Columbia University "The Transnationality of Digital Cash" Tuesday, September 3, 1996 12 - 2 PM The Downtown Harvard Club of Boston One Federal Street, Boston, MA Tatsuo Tanaka is from the Center for Global Communications at the International University of Japan. He is currently a Visiting Research Fellow at Columbia University's Center on Japanese Economy & Business. Government analysts like to stress the anonymity and security concerns of digital cash, particularly money laundering and tax evasion. However, probably the most important economic consequence of digital cash to nation-states is its transnationality. Theoretically speaking, any bank can issue digital cash any country's currency, even on a fractional reserve basis, without permission from that nation-state's central bank, and everybody in the world can use it as if that cash were issued by the country itself. This unprecedented transnationality could make a country's financial system unstable in terms of money supplies or exchange rates. Tanaka goes through a possible scenario in which nation-states and cyberspace conflict over the authority to issue digital cash, including a possible resolution of the problem. This meeting of the Digital Commerce Society of Boston will be held on Tuesday, September 3, 1996 from 12pm - 2pm at the Downtown Branch of the Harvard Club of Boston, One Federal Street. The price for lunch is $27.50. This price includes lunch, room rental, and the speaker's lunch. ;-). The Harvard Club *does* have dress code: jackets and ties for men, and "appropriate business attire" for women. We need to receive a company check, or money order, (or if we *really* know you, a personal check) payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", by Saturday, August 31, or you won't be on the list for lunch. Checks payable to anyone else but The Harvard Club of Boston will have to be sent back. Checks should be sent to Robert Hettinga, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, Massachusetts, 02131. Again, they *must* be made payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston". If anyone has questions, or has a problem with these arrangements (We've had to work with glacial A/P departments more than once, for instance), please let us know via e-mail, and we'll see if we can work something out. Planned speakers for DCSB are: October Philippe LeRoux Stock Exchanges and the Web November Philip S. Corwin Regulatory Barriers to Internet Commerce We are actively searching for future speakers. If you are in Boston on the first Tuesday of the month, and you would like to make a presentation to the Society, please send e-mail to the DCSB Program Commmittee, care of Robert Hettinga, rah(a)shipwright.com . For more information about the Digital Commerce Society of Boston, send "info dcsb" in the body of a message to majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu . If you want to subscribe to the DCSB e-mail list, send "subscribe dcsb" in the body of a message to majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu . Looking forward to seeing you there! Cheers, Robert Hettinga Moderator, The Digital Commerce Society of Boston -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----BY SAFEMAIL 1.0----- Version: 2.6.i iQCVAwUBMhHz1/gyLN8bw6ZVAQGJlQQApgYjtBSEW+g3cF9qsO3SVF3dFn5ObPa6 WoP7nhldO2XbLgFQOsBqXWv+pUHu9aAxo2TaHFtqegCrr5eEbVutjKhFGdOCZqRT QoFElygD3hKE7sITW6VM9hQaq37eylRapNuvMLo6Q49/BwuDYcWQSkCVQsBlKkP7 lp7JBVIHkMY= =WlRo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "'Bart Bucks' are not legal tender." -- Punishment, 100 times on a chalkboard, for Bart Simpson The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/

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re: National Socio-Economic Security Need for Encryption Technology
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:33 13/08/96 -0700, James A. Donald wrote: > > the fact that an engineer who is subject to the power of the Indian > > government is not worth very much, as is demonstrated by the fact > > that companies with Indian engineering teams often spend a lot of money > > to get their employees out of India. > > > > Demand for Indian programmers is less than supply not because capital > > has somehow failed to flow to India, but because an engineer in India > > is not free to produce the value that engineers elsewhere are free > > to produce. At 07:00 PM 8/14/96 +0600, Arun Mehta wrote: > Whoa! In economies that are highly de-coupled, incomes and prices > can easily find quite different equilibria. So? What does this have to do with the price of fish? Are Informix campuses "highly decoupled economies". The fact is a company like Informix has a campus in India, and it has campuses in the US that are largely staffed by Indian teams, and it will pay big bucks to get its people out of India, even though it has to pay them more than ten times as much in the US. An Indian programmer doing the same job for the same company is more than ten times as valuable to that company if he is not subject to the power of the Indian government, as proven by that companies actions. Plainly Informix does not like the power of the Indian government, which is no surprise as a few years ago just about every company on earth utterly detested the power of the Indian government and would not touch the place with a ten foot pole. > India has its faults, > but it still is a relatively democratic and free country. Under democracy, people get the government they deserve and get it good and hard. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Toronto Signing Party (fwd)
by M. Plumb 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 04:10:26 -0400 From: Richard Outerbridge <outer(a)interlog.com> Newgroups: alt.security.pgp Subject: Toronto Signing Party -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- 1996/08/14 04:01:55 EDT Marc Plumb and I are trying to organize a "signing party" for anyone within range of downtown Toronto. The tentative date is the afternoon of Saturday September 7th. Location will depend on the size of the crowd: so RSVP to Marc or myself (<mp(a)the-wire.com> or <outer(a)interlog.com>) and one of us will get back to you during the first week of September with the precise details. Be patient! Richard Outerbridge -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMhGJcNNcQg4O6q8hAQE0LwP/WvmqDyLqqY28H0peWO/HJyhCInRITx7N aCCfDYdQxjym8/AAFBHy6Luye1DpRpok0RM9OFIMVMWOFzf7Ma7hYwD2KK56IJcy E9XDbak+DkbS/AKthxS5UXPN4Vy1VRUExxMGvXrcCIK2RvoxhT8ZbUp3pQAo/fn4 IYIHo/oTJ0Q= =qQOf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- "Just an eccentric soul with a curiosity for the bizarre." PGPpubkey 1024/0EEAAF21 1994/07/23 <outer(a)interlog.com> Fingerprint = 6A89 D49F D3DA 12E4 040A 273B F383 0127

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Crypto Ban Talk @ G-7
by The Prisoner (tm) 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, even tho Tim's language was hypothetical here's this item. Was some of this on the cpunks and I missed it? Very possible, & if so, sorry. ===============================================[quote:]================= In article <X6k0RD1w165w(a)tanda.on.ca>, marc(a)tanda.on.ca (Marc Thibault) wrote: > I picked up a rumor that the G-7 has endorsed a resolution calling > for international cooperation to control private encryption. Does > anybody have solid information? > They've been discussing it. The US and some others want it. The Japanese and one other country won't go along. So far, talk but no action. Stay tuned. David [Sternlight that is ....]

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Re: Capital and Taxes
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:26 PM 8/14/96, Llywarch Hen wrote: >Yep, we've adopted the fuzziest-headed of liberal ideas in promoting >government as an agent of change to improve things for Tim and his pals by >asking wage earners to subsidize his economic activities by distributing the >costs to the public so he can enjoy the profits. But this is just the result But there are no "costs" to be distributed. The government already taxed the corporation once, at 40-50%, and even taxed the gain due solely to devaluation to the currency (inflation), so all I am asking is that I not be taxed again. Of course, they will likely do so anyway. So I'm saying I probably won't sell assets I might otherwise have sold (not surprisingly, some folks even want unsold assets taxed). For the record, I paid a *lot* of taxes this year, much more (by a factor of several) than I putatively received in benefits. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Austin, TX: RoboFest 7
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi all, I would like to pass the follwing along. If you have any questions then please let me know. If you are in Austin around this time, then stop by for a spell. Jim Choate -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Aug 96 21:38:53 From: "Sonia Santana" <sonia(a)hyperweb.com> Subject: RE: RoboFest 7 speaking gig To: Jim Choate <ravage(a)bga.com> The dates for RoboFest 7 are Sept. 14th & 15th and it will be held at Dobie Mall this year. If you are interested please let me know or contact Glenn Currie at <currie(a)eden.com> who is actually making the schedule for our guest speakers. There aren't any monetary perks but we plan to reward our guests with T-shirts, videos and movie passes to our film festival. Please let us know by August 15th if you are interested and can make it. Also please let us know a title or topic of your talk. And finally how do you want to be billed in the program. Hope you can make it. Sonia Santana Admin. Coordin. The Robot Group http://www.robotgroup.org

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re: National Socio-Economic Security Need for Encryption Technology
by Arun Mehta 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:49 14/08/96 -0700, James A. Donald wrote: >At 07:00 PM 8/14/96 +0600, Arun Mehta wrote: >> Whoa! In economies that are highly de-coupled, incomes and prices >> can easily find quite different equilibria. > >So? What does this have to do with the price of fish? I was trying to explain how incomes and prices happened to be lower in India, which is the reason why companies like Informix like to hire Indian engineers. >The fact is a company like Informix has a campus in India, and >it has campuses in the US that are largely staffed by Indian teams, >and it will pay big bucks to get its people out of India, even >though it has to pay them more than ten times as much in the US. I imagine (not knowing why Informix does what it does) that the reason might have something to do with: 1) Bringing the programmer closer to the customer, to understand the problem better, or to commission the software, debug it under working conditions, whatever 2) If a team in the US is working on the project as well, sometimes it helps to have the entire team physically proximate. 3) With team members far away, you may have concerns about security of confidential information. I could think of another reason or two. > >An Indian programmer doing the same job for the same company is >more than ten times as valuable to that company if he is not >subject to the power of the Indian government, as proven by that >companies actions. Could you please be more precise? In what way does the "power of the Indian government" intrude? You use the term "proven" rather loosely... there could be other explanations for the company wanting to move its employees around. > >Plainly Informix does not like the power of the Indian government, >which is no surprise as a few years ago just about every company on >earth utterly detested the power of the Indian government and would >not touch the place with a ten foot pole. Huh? Yes, we do have a bureaucratic state, which is infuriating, and not just to the companies, but we've always had lots of companies happy to be here. This is a big market, and a nice place to live (and not just the natives say so). >Under democracy, people get the government they deserve and >get it good and hard. True -- democracy is a learning process, and the lessons sometimes come hard. I don't know of any other way to learn. Arun Mehta Phone +91-11-6841172, 6849103 amehta(a)cpsr.org http://www.cerfnet.com/~amehta/ finger amehta(a)cerfnet.com for public key

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Re: India, Productivity, and Tropical Climes
by Arun Mehta 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 18:59 13/08/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >that virtually none of the countries which the most vocal critics are from >have anything approaching the U.S. policy about immigration! You are right -- India's immigration policy is lousy too. However, this is an anachronism in increasingly globalizing economies. Arun Mehta Phone +91-11-6841172, 6849103 amehta(a)cpsr.org http://www.cerfnet.com/~amehta/ finger amehta(a)cerfnet.com for public key

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Re: Another thing the Net is being blamed for...
by Ryan Russell/SYBASE 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At least we didn't sue every ISP ala CoS. Also, I don't think he was "blaming" the Internet neccessarily... It's been published in books before. Ryan ---------- Previous Message ---------- To: cypherpunks cc: From: mirele @ xmission.com ("Deana Holmes") @ smtp Date: 08/09/96 06:52:44 PM Subject: Another thing the Net is being blamed for... Yet another thing that we're being blamed for. FYI, the temple ceremony has been reproduced many times since it was first exposed in the 1840s. The most recent revision (1990) was kept secret for only a short time before notorious former members got ahold of a tape and transcript of the ceremony. (I have a good idea of how they got it.) As far as I can tell, it didn't actually make it on to the Net until about 1994. This particular Mormon churchman (Russell Ballard) gave a speech a year or so ago warning Mormons in vague terms about the evils of the Internet. I suppose this is part of it. ===== >From this morning's Rolley&Wells column in the Salt Lake Tribune (without permission): "During a press tour this week of the LDS [Mormon] Church's new Mount Timpanogos Temple in American Fork, a member of the news media asked why a writtem copy of the temple ceremony was not given to members with temple recommends so they could study it in the privacy of their homes. Elder M. Russell Ballard of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles informed the reporter that there was no need. A church member had 'broken the covenant' -- taped the ceremony, transcribed it, and put it on the Internet for all to read." <end> Deana M. Holmes April 1996 poster child for clueless $cientology litigiousness alt.religion.scientology archivist since 2/95 mirele(a)xmission.com

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Non-U.S. programmers working for Sun and Informix
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:49 PM 8/14/96, James A. Donald wrote: >The fact is a company like Informix has a campus in India, and >it has campuses in the US that are largely staffed by Indian teams, >and it will pay big bucks to get its people out of India, even >though it has to pay them more than ten times as much in the US. > >An Indian programmer doing the same job for the same company is >more than ten times as valuable to that company if he is not >subject to the power of the Indian government, as proven by that >companies actions. My hunch is that a much stronger reason for Informix to want to get its programmers out of India and closer to its other U.S. programmers has to do with what Coase called "the nature of the firm." Friends of mine at Sun have reported to me on the severe problems they are having with their very inexpensive to hire Russian programmers. The hope had been that there were legions of well-trained, eager programmers and mathematicians who could be hired for, say, a few bags of cat food. Sun, like other companies, set up satellite operations in Russia and farmed-out various projects. What they're finding is that the programmers are reasonably well-trained (and may be much better trained than most U.S. programmers, at least in some areas...not too many CS majors in the U.S. know what a Lebesgue integral is, for example). However, their work is unacceptable, for various reasons. Sun has taken to bringing over the programmers for a stay in the U.S in order to acculturate them, innoculate them, whatever you wish to call it, in the ways of Sun and of other American high tech companies. So far, it isn't clear if the experiment can be salvaged. Now certainly part of this is just the "remote control" problem, that of a bunch of people off on their own at the end of a very long feedback loop. Phone calls help, code reviews help, video conferencing helps, but perhaps not enough. And since the difference between a "mediocre" programmer and a "great" programmer can far, far exceed any slight savings in salary, the incentives are clear: hire locals who can work locally, or bring offshore programmers to the local facility. I suspect Sun's experiences with Russians are pretty similar to Informix's experiences with Indians, with Tata Institute replacing Moscow State. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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RE: National Socio-Economic Security Need for Encryption Technology
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: Bart Croughs > >You are wrong. I'm not in error; I don't think the US is worse off when US > capital moves abroad. I just want to know how you can proof it, so I would >be > able to rebut protectionist arguments. I don't know how to prove it. And, >unfortunately, neither do you. Rhetoric is no proof. ............................................... I said in my post: > "I think people who put up a lot of objections [...] do not want any proof of their error." Are you the one putting up the objections? Are you the one who does not want to see the proof which you are asking for? I would think that after having read Mises, Hayek, et al, the economic cause&effect principles which they outlined would make the resulting situation pretty clear. .. Blanc > > >

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Verisign CA practices documents
by Paul Robichaux 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Verisign's put their Certification Practice Statement up at <http://www.verisign.com/repository/CPSNEW>. This document appears to set forth the policies Verisign's implementing when it acts as a CA. I haven't fully reviewed it yet, but my hat's off to Verisign for coming clean and clearly stating their policies. -Paul -- Paul Robichaux LJL Enterprises, Inc. paul(a)ljl.com Be a cryptography user. Ask me how.

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Re: photographed license plates
by koontz＠netapp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I note those plastic cover for plates "to keep them clean" >seem to be more & more popular. These are not allowed in California (although the chance of getting popped must be quite slim, by the number you see). I remember seeing some water based spray paints in dun colors (such as a nice mud tan) - Gee, officer, its just mud, <wipe>. (Why water colors should be in spray cans is beyond me, unless intended for taggers).

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Re: Schlafly on crypto
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 14 Aug 96 09:11:30 -0800, bdolan(a)use.usit.net wrote: > Amendment guarantees our right to speak in public but not in > private. It would be just as ridiculous to say that we have > freedom to speak in words that the government can understand, but > not in words the government can't decipher. This definitely does beg the question of what the FBI would ask us to do if, for instance, the drug dealers started hiring Navajo speakers to play "Code-talkers" over a GAKed phone... | Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> - Webpages for sale! Se habla JavaScript! | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp | Autoresponder: send email w/subject of "send resume" or "send PGPKEY"

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Capital and Taxes
by Greg Hopper 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

When you consider that capital gains tax rate schedules are not indexed for inflation, the situation's even worse than Tim's analysis implies. Since you pay tax on the nominal rather than the real capital gain, the effective capital gains tax rate is really higher than the quoted rate. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Hopper |Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are Research Department |my own and not necessarily those of Federal Reserve Bank |the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia of Philadelphia |or the Federal Reserve System. 10 Independence Mall | Philadelphia, PA 19106 | (215) 574-3905 (voice) | (215) 574-4364 (fax) | email: ghopper(a)frbphil.org |

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(no subject)
by Vincent L. Diaz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

subcribe cypherpunks(a)toad.com vldiaz(a)adnc.com end -- Regards, VINCENT L. DIAZ U-SAVE COMMUNICATIONS Business Line: 619-277-2411 Fax Line: 619-277-0298 http://www.cognigen.com/agencies/ Title: www-buyinfo mail archive: (cpx) Cypherpunk recruiting opportunity (cpx) Cypherpunk recruiting opportunity Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Thu, 2 Nov 1995 18:47:43 -0500 Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: Robert Hettinga: "Re: (cpx) Re: ecash remailer" Previous message: Robert Hettinga: "(cpx) Re: ecash remailer" --- begin forwarded text Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 17:44:03 -0500 (EST) From: cjl <cjl(a)welchlink.welch.jhu.edu> To: Cypherpunks mailing list <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> Subject: Cypherpunk recruiting opportunity Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk C-punx, Considering the amount of "preaching to the choir" that goes on here I thought that the following news item might supply a more suitable outlet for some of the more evangelical-minded Cypherpunks. After all, it is perfectly clear that the science of cryptography exemplifies some of the more exciting applications of otherwise-dry mathematics, and there is always a need for "voices of reason" in the councils of those who would make the 'Net safe for children. ___________________ Tech Help for Schools While high-tech education visionaries are issuing apocalyptic warnings about the fate of the alledgedly backward US school system, a privately sponsored group has launched a Peace Corps-style initiative to ease schools into the 21st century. The Massachusetts-based Tech Corps, which recruits volunteers to help schools harness computers and telecommunications technology, announced last month that it is going national. The corps, whose chief sponsor is the Cellular Telecommunications Industry Association, will hold a conference in Washington DC on 30 October where people can learn how to start state chapters. Founded by Gary J. Beach, chief executive officer of Computerworld Inc., the corps last year recruited 300 volunteers theough the magazine Computerworld who have been working in 12 school districts throughout Masachusetts. Karen Smith, Tech Corps' national director, says the response to the call for volunteers from people in industry, government agencies, and private consulting firms, has been "incredible." They help school districts in any way they are asked - such as by installing wiring, training teachers, persuading local industry to donate hardware, and helping schools construct World Wide Web homepages. Interested parties can reach Tech Corp' own web page at: http://www.ustc.org C. J. Leonard ( / "DNA is groovy" \ / - Watson & Crick <cjl(a)welchlink.welch.jhu.edu> / \ <-- major groove ( \ Finger for public key \ ) Strong-arm for secret key / <-- minor groove Thumb-screws for pass-phrase / ) --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Shipwright Development Corporation, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA (617) 323-7923 "Reality is not optional." --Thomas Sowell >>>>Phree Phil: Email: zldf(a)clark.net http://www.netresponse.com/zldf <<<<< Next message: Robert Hettinga: "Re: (cpx) Re: ecash remailer" Previous message: Robert Hettinga: "(cpx) Re: ecash remailer"

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Re: non-secure network utilities - pointers?
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:27 AM 8/14/96 -0400, Perry wrote: > >Sam Quigley writes: >> What cypherpunk-approved (tm) -- that is, cryptographically strong, >> freely available, and well-implemented (reliable) -- network utilities are >> available? I'm willing to agree to US-only license agreement iff I have >> to... > > >Try SSH and friends -- they are a pretty good thing. > >http://www.ssh.fi/, I believe. That is for the commercial version. The free version (for Unix) can be found at http://www.cs.hut.fi/ssh/ . There is also a Windows version in beta, as well as one for OS/2. (There is a Mac version in development, but no pointers on when or where it will be available.) --- Alan Olsen -- alano(a)teleport.com -- Contract Web Design & Instruction `finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ "We had to destroy the Internet in order to save it." - Sen. Exon "Microsoft -- Nothing but NT promises."

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Re: Why should we trust the system?
by an681132＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Preiously, jim bell <jimbell(a)pacifier.com> > <snip> However, hours after it was publicly revealed that the Atlanta > 911 center screwed up, wasting 10 minutes looking up the address of > "Centennial park," <snip> After watching the news during the coverage of the 911 call, I couldn't help but notice the free computer advertisement. I don't suppose that GATEWAY 2000 will be doing too much bragging about supplying systems to the Atlanta 911 call center. Gosh, I wonder what systems my local 911 call center uses? Would they be able to find my address? --****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--***ATTENTION*** Your e-mail reply to this message WILL be *automatically* ANONYMIZED. Please, report inappropriate use to abuse(a)anon.penet.fi For information (incl. non-anon reply) write to help(a)anon.penet.fi If you have any problems, address them to admin(a)anon.penet.fi

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by an681132＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Preiously, jim bell <jimbell(a)pacifier.com> > <snip> However, hours after it was publicly revealed that the Atlanta > 911 center screwed up, wasting 10 minutes looking up the address of > "Centennial park," <snip> After watching the news during the coverage of the 911 call, I couldn't help but notice the free computer advertisement. I don't suppose that GATEWAY 2000 will be doing too much bragging about supplying systems to the Atlanta 911 call center. Gosh, I wonder what systems my local 911 call center uses? Would they be able to find my address? --****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--***ATTENTION*** Your e-mail reply to this message WILL be *automatically* ANONYMIZED. Please, report inappropriate use to abuse(a)anon.penet.fi For information (incl. non-anon reply) write to help(a)anon.penet.fi If you have any problems, address them to admin(a)anon.penet.fi

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SSL / Java(tm) Toolkit Available NOW (fwd)
by Adam Shostack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FYI. ----- Forwarded message from Joel Fan ----- >From list(a)glacier.mcom.com Wed Aug 14 17:52:49 1996 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 14:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 17:37:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Joel Fan <jfan(a)phaos.com> X-Sender: jfan(a)columbia.digiweb.com To: ssl-talk(a)netscape.com Subject: SSL / Java(tm) Toolkit Available NOW Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960814173211.8297A-100000(a)columbia.digiweb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"YXOYJ2.0.c67.nPa4o"@glacier> Resent-From: ssl-talk(a)netscape.com X-Mailing-List: <ssl-talk(a)netscape.com> archive/latest/1623 X-Loop: ssl-talk(a)netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ssl-talk-request(a)netscape.com Hello , The SSLava(tm) 1.0 Toolkit implements the SSL 3.0 protocol in the Java programming language and is available NOW, without charge, for non-commercial use, including testing. Commercial licenses for SSLava are available as well. Please contact http://www.phaos.com/ for more information or send mail to jfan(a)phaos.com. Thanks, Joel Fan ---------------------- Phaos Technology Corp. ---------------------- [Java is a trademark of Sun Microsystems Inc.] ----- End of forwarded message from Joel Fan ----- -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume

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