December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: RC2 technical questions
by wlkngowl＠unix.asb.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 02 Feb 96 10:02:37 PST, "baldwin(a)RSA.COM" wrote: > In a shameless attempt to move the discussion of RC2 into >a more technical arena, here are some interesting questions to >explore about RC2. > --Bob Odd. You're from RSA.COM... It would seem that you're better able to find these things out than the rest of us. Make that Alleged RC2, BTW. ;) I'm rather curious about implementing known plaintext attacks. The reliance on addition and anding doesn't make me feel too confident. For example, the ciphertext produced by the input of all zeros (plaintext) is basically the added/anded (with rolls) skey bytes. With a bit of probabilistic analysis one could work at determining the skey[] bytes. Weaknesses in the key expansion may help this further... Rob.

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cypherpunks press
by jrochkin＠cs.oberlin.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The 29 January New Yorker has an article "Hackworm" that discusses the Mitnick-Shimomura-Markoff echoing cypherpunks lack of sympathy for the Markoff-Shimomura P.R. extravaganza. Article ends mentioning cypherpunks and John Gilmore specifically, discussion of crypto politics, while not entirely toe-ing the cypherpunks party line, an enhearteningly informed and rational treatement. [An altavista search reveals the New Yorker is at http://www.enews.com/magazines/new_yorker/, but they don't seem to put the entire issue online, and parts of the 15 January issue is what you get when you click on "current issue"]

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Re: Active processes monitoring?
by Jeremy Mineweaser 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:59 PM 2/2/96 -0500, you wrote: > >> Are there others applications like MEM that are not as universal? >> (here, I guess that such stealth behaviour have to rely on identifying the >> program being loaded, thus, a less common program has less chance of >> being fooled) > >Mem /C doesn't do squat under 95... don't know about 3.11.... since each >DOS box runs in its own space, MEM /C cannot see what processes are >running in Windoze. There are a number of process viewing applications available for Win95/NT. I use two of them: one is called pstat.exe and the other is ps.exe. Both of them show most of the visible processes running. ps does not show running services, but pstat does. Both of them are available at ftp://csa.gt.ed.net Jeremy --- Jeremy Mineweaser | GCS/E d->-- s:- a--- C++(+++)$ ULC++(++++)>$ P+>++$ j.mineweaser(a)ieee.org | L+>++ E-(---) W++ N+ !o-- K+>++ w+(++++) O- M-- | V-(--) PS+(--) PE++ Y++>$ PGP++>+++$ t+() 5 X+ R+() *ai*vr*vx*crypto* | tv(+) b++>+++ DI+(++) D+ G++ e>+++ h-() r-@ !y-

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Re: Futplex makes the news!
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I just heard on WBUR (NPR) here in Boston that our own L. (I know his real >first name now...) "Futplex" McCarthy was busted by the UMASS diginarks for >putting "Nazi material" on the internet. This must be one of those >Nazi-mirrors I've been skipping articles over... So, the "expanded version" of the story says that it was a nazi-mirror, and FUDless verbage why Futplex did it, and that UMASS Amherst said they didn't want "Political messages" on their web-server, so they booted Futplex. LOL! The most Politically Correct university in the universe doesn't want "Political messages" on their web server! The ganglia twitch... Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Reality is not optional." --Thomas Sowell The NEW(!) e$ Home Page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/

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Futplex makes the news!
by Mike Duvos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

rah(a)shipwright.com (Robert Hettinga) wrote: > I just heard on WBUR (NPR) here in Boston that our own L. (I > know his real first name now...) "Futplex" McCarthy was busted > by the UMASS diginarks for putting "Nazi material" on the > internet. This must be one of those Nazi-mirrors I've been > skipping articles over... Horrors. We seem to be discovering more and more side effects from the defense of free speech for the unpopular. The Holocausta Nostra is cheering wildly at the opportunity to present the works of Mr. Zundel under a banner reading "Nazi Scum". Zundelsites are being set up by people whose views are so disgusting they probably offend even Mr. Zundel himself. And now our very own "Futplex" will have to live the rest of his life branded as a electronic distributor of "hate literature" by the forces of political correctness at UMASS. It may be time to regroup and take inventory of what we are suposedly trying to accomplish here. -- X-Signature: Mike Duvos X-Signature-File: c:\netcom\mail.sig On a completely different note, which I am appending so as to waste as little bandwidth as possible, Cypherpunks messages to my netcom account stopped dead two days ago, and I am getting no response from either majordomo(a)toad.com or cypherpunks-owner(a)toad.com. I am currently reading the list quite nicely on news://news.hks.net/hks.lists.cypherpunks using Netscape so it really isn't a big deal, but I was just curious if there was a routing problem or some other Net glitch. Please EMAIL any replies.

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Re: FEBRUARY MEETING
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, Gary Edstrom pointed out to me that I forgot a minor detail about the upcoming meeting and party--the date. They will be on Saturday 10 February. Sorry about that. S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Call for Demos at Computers, Freedom, and Privacy '96
by Leonard N. Foner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Since 1991, the Computers, Freedom, and Privacy conference has brought together experts and advocates from the fields of computer science, law, business, public policy, law enforcement, government, and many other areas to explore how computer and telecommunications technologies are affecting freedom and privacy. This year, for the first time, it's happening at MIT. I'm helping to coordinate a Technology Fair of interesting demos related to CFP's themes, and I'm soliciting people for neat things they'd like to show. If you think you have something you'd like to demo, please let me know. For more information about the conference, you might want to check out http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~switz/cfp96/ and for information about the demos themselves (including telling us what items you may need us to provide), you should check out http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~switz/cfp96/call-for-demos.html Some examples to get you thinking: . A demonstration of anonymous remailers? . A demonstration of NFS packet substitution on the wire? . Real-time Netscape key-breaking? . A bake-off between some individuals or companies to see who can find out the most dirt on someone the fastest? . Something else? Remember, a lot of the things that Cypherpunks take for granted are relatively unknown even to the type of crowd that goes to CFP; this could be your chance to raise some awareness on these issues, show reporters what can _really_ be done, and so forth. If you'd like to demo (or even if you're just thinking about), please send me mail as soon as possible so we can have time to plan. Thanks!

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PGP "official" logo?
by jf_avon＠citenet.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, somebody wrote >> Just put a "PGP signed" logo <snip> >> This would also have the bonus effect of making PGP more >> visible to the web-browsing public. I'll work on this >> during my.. err.. "spare time". and somebody replied: >Yeah, I like the idea of a standardized logo. A lot. Me too... Some ideas: - ask Phil Z. if he ever devised a PGP logo. - a PGP logo design contest (the prize would be eternal glory and gratitude from all CPunks) In this latter case, the winner might be decided by: - a jury (presided by Phil Z. ?) - a vote of CPunks I think it would not do any good if everybody used their own logo. JFA

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Proxies
by bjohnson＠nym.alias.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I keep hearing references to 'proxies' as a method of anonymity. The only information that I've been able to find, deals with firewalls on networked systems. Are 'proxies' applicable to personal PCs using browsers, such as Netscape? Would appreciate any info or leads to information sources. Thanks in advance, bjohnson(a)nym.alias.net

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RSA disappears :-)
by John Pettitt 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

rsa.com dissapeard from the net! The only valid nameserver for rsa.com is rsa.com and since it's net connection is down anybody trying to talk to www.rsa.com or send mail to rsa is getting host not found errors. :-) -- John Pettitt email: jpettitt(a)well.sf.ca.us (home) jpp(a)software.net (work)

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Re: cypherpunks press
by jrochkin＠cs.oberlin.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Jonathan Rochkind writes: >> The 29 January New Yorker has an article "Hackworm" that discusses the >> Mitnick-Shimomura-Markoff echoing cypherpunks lack of sympathy for the >> Markoff-Shimomura P.R. extravaganza. Article ends mentioning cypherpunks >> and John Gilmore specifically, discussion of crypto politics, while not >> entirely toe-ing the cypherpunks party line, an enhearteningly informed and >> rational treatement. > >Could someone please explain to me why Mitnick is a cypherpunk issue? >Myself, I have neither sympathy nor lack of sympathy for the >Markoff-Shimomura "pr extravaganza", see no "cypherpunk" opinion on >the subject, and don't see any reason we should, as a group, discuss >or care about the topic. > >Perry The article mentions the cypherpunks, and spends a couple pages discusing crypto politics and internet security issues. Like I said, I found it an unusually well-informed article for the conventional press. I thought other cypherpunks list members would be interested in a pointer to it, both because it discusses the cypherpunks list and because it discusses crypto politics in a fairly intelligent manner. And, yes, because it was also about Mitnick-Markoff-Shimomura, and despite your constant protests that it isn't a cypherpunks issue, I know that many on the list disagree and are interested in the issue (and have opinions about it, individually; of course there is no group mind 'cypherpunks opinion'.) And, also, because I think media analysis and issues of what the media is doing and how it works are 'cypherpunks issues'--that is, issues with a direct relationship to the crypto issues often discussed here, and which a large proportion of list members are interested in discussing and hearing about. I don't see why you, Perry, are the arbiter of what is and is not a 'cypherpunk issue'--if there are lots of people interested in discussing a certain issue or type of issue on the list, it's going to be discussed. All you can do is increase the noise on the list even futher by constantly complaining about it. Which you seem to enjoy, so go ahead, I guess.

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Re: Futplex makes the news!
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:47 PM 2/2/96, Richard Martin wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >http://www.boston.com/globe/ap/cgi-bin/retrieve?%2Fglobe%2Fapwir%2F033%2Fre >g%2Fag052102 > >Is an AP report on the at-home censorship. Many thanks for providing this, Richard! I just read it, and it worries me. If UMass has yielded, the prominently mentioned CMU and Stanford sites may be prompted to exactly the same thing. This will "prove" to the Germans that they did the right thing, and be a blow in _favor_ of suppression of speech. I hope some other sites have the mirrored material and are not reeds in the wind as at least one university is. (Did I hear correctly that Futplex has "volunteered" to perform 500 hours of community service at the Simon Wiesenthal Center's Boston office? And that he has volunteered to attend 50 hours of sensitivity training? Or am thinking of Cornell?) Not to make light of this sorry episode, you understand. But my guess is that unless Futplex immediately begins to grovel to the campus bigshots and explain how his judgment was impaired by exposure to fascist Cypherpunks, that his days at UMass as a grad student are numbered. This is the way universities seem to handle these things. --Tim, who hopes he's wrong.... Boycott espionage-enabled software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Futplex makes the news!
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:28 AM 2/3/96, Mike Duvos wrote: >On 2 Feb 1996 19:02:29 -0500, you wrote: > >>I think the whole endeavor was a resounding success, and I wish I had been >>on the ball enough to participate in it. > >[deletia] > >>The important thing is that Rich, Declan, Futplex, and anyone else >>participating showed the world that censorship on the internet, if not >>impossible, is at least a good deal more dificult then people thought. > >Before poo-pooing Tim, declaring victory, and returning home, it >should be noted that German prosecutors today added AOL to the list of >entities they wish to charge with "inciting hatred." > >UMASS will of course test the political waters before taking any >action, but we may yet see the gonads of Futplex hanging from one of >the upper floors of the Graduate Research Center. :) > >Time will tell whether we have won this war, or have simply >encountered a lull after the first onslought by the enemy. Meaning no disrespect to any of my colleagues here, but is there now some sense that "we won"? I don't see it this way. And the Germans don't seem to think they lost. Let's look at where this issue is. The UMass admins yanked the Zundelsite info, Declan has voluntarily withdrawn his ZS info, Germany is accelerating its threats against CS, AOL, etc., and of course the Communications Decency Act is about to be signed into law. Maybe I'm not seeing the Boston-area papers, and their spin on things, but it doesn't seem to me that an anti-censorship interpretation is getting a lot of press. What I am sensing is just the opposite, that a bunch of babykilling Nazis bent on taking over the Internet just had their main Propaganda Center at UMass shut down by the forces of light. This is the spin on the story I'm sensing. (Hate to say it, but the nuances of free speech are lost on most people. To most of them, putting Holocaust denial information on a site is ipso facto proof of genocidal racism. I wouldn't be surprised to see the various groups at UMass foaming at the mouth next week in the campus newspaper to get the "notorious racist" Lewis McCarthy sanctioned or thrown out. University administrators will try to cool things off, but will keep feeling the pressures from various "aggreived" groups until something just has to be done. I've seen this many times at Stanford, UC Santa Cruz, Berkeley, and elsewhere.) Here's to hoping Rich's site remains up. --Tim Boycott espionage-enabled software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Just what the Internet needs right now...
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'll try to see if I can find some bomb-making information from a non-US web site; it may help in counterarguments. Given that I'm still not that good at searching, it would be nice if someone else could locate it also. -Allen Reuters New Media _ Friday Febuary 2 4:54 PM EST _ Boys Arrested for Plotting Bomb NEW YORK (Reuter) - Three 13-year-old boys have been accused of plotting to blow up their school after learning how to build a bomb over the Internet, police said Friday. The boys were arrested Wednesday after other students at Pine Grove Junior High School in Minoa, New York, heard rumors of their plans and police were alerted, said Capt. William Bleyle of the nearby Manlius police department. [...] One of the boys, believed to be the ringleader, admitted to police that the three eighth graders learned how to build the bomb from instructions they found on the Internet, the global network accessible from home computers. ``The information is very easy to find,'' Bleyle said. ''It's at your fingertips. They just called it up.'' He said police found diesel fuel, a bag of fertilizer and other items -- the basic materials to build a bomb-- at the first boy's house. The boys found the information using a computer at home, not at school, said Gary Minns, superintendent of the East Syracuse-Minoa school district, about 250 miles northwest of New York City. The school is not hooked up to the Internet but had been considering it, he said. ``It goes way beyond what we would consider a prank,'' Minns said. ``Especially from Oklahoma City and the knowledge and awareness of the devastation these things can cause, to think they were even considering doing this type of thing is extremely disturbing.'' [...] The three boys had built and tested a bomb in a field behind an elementary school, Bleyle said. That bomb caught fire but did not explode. All three, who are being charged as juveniles, are accused of conspiracy, he said. They have been suspended from school. Police were still investigating their motives, Bleyle said, adding ``It was definitely to effect destruction on the school. It was not an idle threat. There was actual intent to carry this through. The destruction could have been enormous.''

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Re: PGP "official" logo?
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:37 PM 2/2/96, jf_avon(a)citenet.net (Jean-Francois Avon (JFA Technologies, QC, wrote: >Me too... > >Some ideas: > > - ask Phil Z. if he ever devised a PGP logo. > - a PGP logo design contest (the prize would be eternal glory > and gratitude from all CPunks) > In this latter case, the winner might be decided by: > - a jury (presided by Phil Z. ?) > - a vote of CPunks I realize that Phil Z. is an "icon" to many people, but icons sometimes are overrated. In this context, I mean symbolic icons, or logos, e.g., little pictures. Why is an icon or logo preferable to "Begin PGP signed..."? The little rose, or chevrons, or escutcheons, or whatever, then have to be explained to people. "PGP" is actually its own best logo. (There is also the important point that most uses of PGP are in primarily-ASCII settings, in e-mail. Yes, I know that MIME and whatnot can support graphics, but such uses are rare. Look at this mailing list, and Usenet, for examples of how most messages are composed. I routinely delete all messages that have "attachments converted" to them, and others have told me they do the same thing.) Logos and signs typically are useful to attract customers from afar, as with roadside signs, or to establish consumer preference. In the case of PGP, neither situation seems especially germane. Finally, the idea of a "contest" and a "vote" comes up once again. Being an anarchy, no one is stopping anyone from attaching logos to their articles. But I can't imagine a "vote of CPunks." --Tim Boycott espionage-enabled software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Proxies
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:46 PM 2/2/96, bjohnson(a)nym.alias.net wrote: >I keep hearing references to 'proxies' as a method of anonymity. The only >information that I've been able to find, deals with firewalls on networked >systems. > >Are 'proxies' applicable to personal PCs using browsers, such as Netscape? > >Would appreciate any info or leads to information sources. A quick look with Alta Vista for the string "web proxy" reveals 25 articles on Usenet and 200 on the Web, with some of them containing further pointers, definitions, and other helpful information. --Tim May Boycott espionage-enabled software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Looking for GSM A5 info
by Stephan Somogyi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm looking for information about the A5 encryption algorithm used in GSM phones. Specifically: - How does the algorithm work and is its encryption methodology similar to any other well-known algorithms? - Is A5's implementation mandatory to produce an world-wide interoperable GSM device? - What are the variants of A5 (there was some discussion of less secure versions), how do they differ, and where are they used? - Are there any known weaknesses in or attacks on A5-encrypted GSM conversations? - Are there notable instances where GSM deployment was delayed or halted due to A5? (I remember hearing that such a delay happened in Australia, but I don't recall details.) Any related information, or pointers to related information, appreciated greatly. ________________________________________________________________________ Stephan Somogyi Mr Gyroscope Digital Media

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Ways around "censorship" of Nazi Zundelsite (fwd)
by Rich Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Similar notes have been posted to the newsgroups and faxed to a number of press critters in Germany, Canada, and the US. The Ottowa Times is probably going to be the first out with a reasonably in-depth story. If you have something of import to say, I'll give you the reporter's number. We won already. OK? I believe even the Wiesenthal Center is waking up to the fact that the only acceptable and efffective way to deal with evil lies in the modern age is by drawing them into the open and smothering them with the truth. They should have a statement shortly. Share and enjoy. -rich ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 12:34:42 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Graves <llurch(a)Networking.Stanford.EDU> To: declan(a)eff.org, fight-censorship+(a)andrew.cmu.edu, haggaik@leland Subject: Ways around WebCom censorship of Zundelsite (fwd) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Declan et al, I sent the enclosed to the white supremacists' moderated mailing list in order to foster the free flow of information, and Don Black approved it for distribution. Now they all know about all the mirrors. Since there is no longer any censorship, and since Zundel has released a press release about how "major universities have come to his defence" against this Zionist repression, I believe it would be appropriate to express our true feelings now. Of course copyright and good taste dictate that his pages remain on the Web completely unedited, but I see no reason for them to be the only thing there. I would recommend adding a link to the following additional publications of Zundel's, which were similarly "censored": http://www.almanac.bc.ca/hweb/people/z/zundel-ernst/flying-saucers/ To prevent the saving of bookmarks within his site, I further recommend moving his pages into a subdirectory with a name that changes from time to time, as I have done. I apologize for blowing up at Declan. The link text from my page to his again reads, in part: "My friend Declan's page has some more developed ideas, most but not all of which I agree with. He has more time for this." - -rich - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 00:55:06 GMT From: Stormfront-l <stormfront-l(a)stormfront.org> To: rich(a)c2.org Subject: Ways around WebCom censorship of Zundelsite From: Rich Graves <llurch(a)networking.stanford.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:55:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Ways around WebCom censorship of Zundelsite You might want to consider this on your own sites. An IP filter is no good if the IP address changes. I would also suggest holding your own press conference on February 28th. - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:52:37 -0800 (PST) From: Declan To: Fight Censorship Mailing List <fight-censorship+(a)andrew.cmu.edu>, Subject: Re: A possible (though unlikely) easy way around WebCom censorship On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Declan B. McCullagh wrote: > The attached TELECOM Digest message mentions assigning a new IP address > to WebCom's web server, which would defeat the current block. Thomas Leavitt from WebCom tells me that Telekom has blocked all accesses to hosts within the webcom.com domain, though WiN has not. Apparently Spiegel TV is interested in reporting on this. One of their reporters told me that the AntiDefamation League in NYC has been compiling a list of offensive resources (primarily web pages, I think) on the Internet. They're going to hold a press conference on February 28 to "demand reduced access" to this material. - -Declan - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Anyway, this is all moot, because there are so many holes in the censorship curtain. See the full list of mirror sites and supplemental documentation at any of the following, all accessible from any computer in Germany: http://web.mit.edu/afs/athena.mit.edu/contrib/bitbucket2/zundel/censorship.… http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/declan/www/Not_By_Me_Not_My_Views/censors…. html http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/declan/www/Not_By_Me_Not_My_Views/censors…. html http://web.mit.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/declan/www/Not_By_Me_Not_My_Views/ce… ship.html The Berlin Wall has fallen. Next stop, the Great Firewall of China. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To: Multiple recipients of the Stormfront-L Mailing List Host: don.black(a)stormfront.org (Don Black) To unsubscribe, send e-mail to 'listserv(a)stormfront.org' with the line 'unsubscribe Stormfront-L' in the message BODY, not the subject. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ----- Processed with Listserv v2.77 for Wildcat v4 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMREji43DXUbM57SdAQFO0wP/XsuwmTWifPvJ2MscEWP0N+hSslXRzxfr l1FN13DnduAJBE2yhJhZUZoCxdAlpXehHP7G2ZOyycdQpxUom7sTo4X0PP95Y5k4 7psQdzFoubAN7Uv6hQh1MTALD3t8vu2bwH4pYtkOeAi13PMvTe/PRfxlPBLcFz69 Bro6hYmaeE8= =rKCu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Denning's misleading statements
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Responding to msg by jonl(a)well.com (Jon Lebkowsky) on Wed, 31 Jan 6:34 PM >Definitely! I wonder who we could get from the FBI?? Try for Al Bayse, formerly assistant director of the FBI's Technical Services Division and its long-time senior techonology expert. Here's a quote from David Burnham's new book, "Above the Law:" Al Bayse, whom FBI documents suggest has been involved in the Clipper since its inception, was ecstatic about its inception. Shortly before the White House announced the project to reporters, he telephoned the three leading security experts in the academic world -- Dorothy Denning of Georgetown University, Lance Hoffman of George Washington University and Peter Neumann of SRI International -- and informed them that the FBI's problem had been solved. (p. 150) Burnham claims that because Bayse shaped and directed the FBI's investigative technologies from the late 1970s to the mid-1990s he "may well be the nation's single most influential law enforcement official since J. Edgar Hoover." (p. 136)

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Re: Futplex makes the news!
by jrochkin＠cs.oberlin.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:17 PM 02/02/96, Mike Duvos wrote: >We seem to be discovering more and more side effects from the >defense of free speech for the unpopular. The Holocausta Nostra >is cheering wildly at the opportunity to present the works of >Mr. Zundel under a banner reading "Nazi Scum". Zundelsites are >being set up by people whose views are so disgusting they probably >offend even Mr. Zundel himself. And now our very own "Futplex" >will have to live the rest of his life branded as a electronic >distributor of "hate literature" by the forces of political >correctness at UMASS. > >It may be time to regroup and take inventory of what we are >suposedly trying to accomplish here. The AP article on the net that someone referenced for us before (http://www.boston.com/globe/ap/cgi-bin/retrieve?%2Fglobe%2Fapwir%2F033%2Fre g%2Fag052102), fortunately portrays Futplex M accurately as a principled free speech crusador, rather then a Nazi, with a few good quotes from F (nice job Futplex!). [And Rich Graves should be pleased to see his name gets mentioned _before_ Declan's. snork.] I hope he doesn't get into too much trouble with UMASS, but I suspect he won't--after he gets called a "free speech activist" on the AP wire, umass is going to look really bad punishing him for his activism. [I guess they've already told him he has to take it down, but it served it's purpose anyway]. I think the whole endeavor was a resounding success, and I wish I had been on the ball enough to participate in it. So, nazi wierdos even worse then Zundel have appropriated his views--only goes to show that when you try to censor something (on the net especially--but this has always been true to some extent, and you can frequently hear ACLU types worthily propagandizing it), all you do is end up giving it free publicity. So what if the 'holocost nostra' is delighting in calling Zundel "nazi scum", or whatever. I haven't read his stuff, so I don't know if I think him deserving of that title or not, but they can certainly exercise their freedom of speech in saying so. (Although if they're not careful I suppose Zundel could exercise his freedom of filing a libel lawsuit against them). The important thing is that Rich, Declan, Futplex, and anyone else participating showed the world that censorship on the internet, if not impossible, is at least a good deal more dificult then people thought. And, just as importantly, that they defeated this individual act of censorship thoroughly. (Yes, I think participating in the defeat of censorship is worthy even when it's nazi stuff you're protecting. A 'banned sites' page on the WWW would be a great thing, even if it contained a majority of links to neo-nazi propaganda. If censorship attempts continue, one of us ought to make such a site--and, of course, mirror it throughout the universe). [ Thought--if Germany was blocking sites that contained pornography instead, not only would Rich/Declan/Futplex probably have been more reluctant to mirror it, but they probably would have gotten in legal trouble for doing so, even in the U.S. And, of course, would have brought their web servers to a standstill as the entire world tried to get erotic pictures from their sites. And the AP article probably wouldn't have been so kind. It's ironic and sad that in 1996 America, pictures of people having sex are more dangerous contraband then is anti-semetic propaganda.]

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Gleeful Prosecutors, Happy AOL
by James M. Cobb 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Friend, A 02 02 96 Associated Press newsstory ------------------------------------- AMERICA ONLINE ADDED TO PROBE OVER INCITING RACISM datelined MANNHEIM, Germany (Feb 2, 1996 3:29 p.m. EST) reports: Prosecutors hoping to ban neo-Nazi material from reaching Internet users in Germany have notified America Online Inc. that it may be charged with inciting racial hatred. and of course... America On-Line spokesman Ingo Reese in Hamburg said his company also was happy to work with the prosecutors. Cordially, Jim

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Re: Apology and clarification
by Dave Del Torto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:57 AM 1/30/96, Nathaniel Borenstein wrote: [explanation of keysniffing intentions elided] >When you put all four of these together, you have an attack that IS new, >in the sense that nobody we know of has ever mentioned it before, and >which could in fact be used by a single criminal, with only a few weeks [elided] Nathaniel, I took your posting in the spirit it was intended, I think, since it was obviously not directed at a c'punk audience. You may remember, BTW, that I did some information-gathering on keystroke sniffers early in 94. I, too, did not feel comfortable spreading the info too widely, however, though now, to a select audience, it might be timely. Thanks for pointing out a very valid set of attack parameters, BTW. >One good >programmer, in less than a month, can write a program that will spread >itself around the net, collect an unlimited number of credit card >numbers, and get them back to the program's author by non-traceable >mechanisms. Does anyone on this list doubt that this is true? I do not doubt it for an instant. I even know some Eastern Eudopeans who might be at it as we speak. dave

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Going, Going, Gone With the Flow
by James M. Cobb 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Friend, A 02 02 96 Boston Globe newsstory --------------------------------- GOVERNMENTS MOVE TO LIMIT FREE FLOW OF THE INTERNET datelined (Feb 2, 1996 00:17 a.m. EST) reports: ...the Internet is slowly being colonized. Colonized? Governments around the world -- from Germany to Iran to Singapore -- are moving to limit Internet access for their citizens.... Oh I see. Colonized by parasites. This move to cordon off the Internet into private plots -- some call it digital Balkanization -- is seen by experts as one of the most profound changes since the global network emerged as a commercial medium in 1991. S-s-h-h. The experts speak! Many Internet specialists say it marks the shift...to [a "network"] where users are building nation states, an evo- lution that they say will lead to the Internet's ultimate success as a commercial and communication platform. S-s-h-h! The specialists have spoken. Earlier this week, Federico Mayor, the director of UNESCO, an arm of the United Nations, called for the drafting of a global agreement that would help protect rights in cyber- space. Mais oui. Cordially, Jim

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Re: Futplex makes the news!
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 6:34 PM 2/2/96, Timothy C. May wrote: >(Did I hear correctly that Futplex has "volunteered" to perform 500 hours >of community service at the Simon Wiesenthal Center's Boston office? And >that he has volunteered to attend 50 hours of sensitivity training? Or am >thinking of Cornell?) Ah. I think what Tim's referring to is the brand new Reeducation Campz, Inc. (RCI), "NewCommonwealth" facility currently taking on new "HappyCampers" in Cambridge just up Brattle Street from Harvard Square. I hear it's a complete appropriate-behavior Skinnerian-behavior-modification aversion-therapy facility complete with electroshock contour couches in front of surplus Digital Equipment Corporation MicroVaxen, all running a special version of CuttyBrowser, specially developed in COBOL for the MicroVaxen by Mitre and Micotronx. When the wrong URLs are selected (EF*, Cyph*, crypt*, White_W*, and "Black Rhino", to name a few grep strings), the camper is randomly electrocuted at senstitive subcutaneous nerve endings or gassed with nauseous sulpher fumes. This technology, along with direct neural stimulation of pleasure centers when Significant Figures of National Authority (SFNA) (including the First Lady, the FBI Director, and the Attorney General), are randomly flashed, although slowly, on the MicroVax's screen has proven very powerful in creating extremely motivated and happy citizens of the Commonwealth. An interesting side effect is that the process creates sexual arousal when the HappyCampers see the company logo of the computer outside of the Camp setting, which is apparently why the machines in this particular facility were donated by Digital under a "Help the Commonwealth Grow" program, reserved for Massachusetts computer companies. Digital is hoping that this will help stanche the decline in sales they've been suffering the last few years, or at least help get rid of a "very large" production run of MicroVax computers they've been writing off for the last eight years. RCI, a "hybrid" for-profit corporation owned by government/non-profit organizations, is a partnership between the NSA, both NEAs, NOW, NARAL, The Moral Majority, Oral Roberts University, The 700 Club, and, of course, UMASS in cooperation with the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard. After the camp, the HappyCamper is charged $37,000 in tuition for the 12-day 19-hour-a-day experience, is also required to pay for the computer (because the campers tend to become emotionally distraught when separated from the machines, and because nobody can be hired to clean the machines either), and, is required to recruit 4 other campers. Oddly enough, this last requirement has become something of a problem, because graduates of the Camp are usually overzealous in their recruitment efforts, dragging relatives, farm animals, and, in several cases, inebriated homeless residents of Harvard Square to the Camp and leaving them in unconscious piles at the Camp door. This is causing problems with neighbors in the Brattle Street area, including John Kenneth Galbraith and Governor William Weld, who are not now very happy campers at all. The Camp is now required to give the neighborhood association 24 hour advanced notice of every graduation, so that gardeners and domestic help can be locked safely indoors. Anyway, have fun, Futplex! Remember that I've moved, and don't forget your Kleenex when you go... Better yet, stay in Ithaca. Cheers, Bob Hettinga Ithaca? That's Cornell, right? Hmmmm... How about moving to New Haven, instead? ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Reality is not optional." --Thomas Sowell The NEW(!) e$ Home Page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/

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Don't shot till you see the gray of their eyes
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Now I understand it. That thing on the cover of Applied Crypto is really one of the Gray's space ships that they use to abduct aspiring cryptographers and implant microchips in them, controlling their minds and making them obey RSA's license agreement. Very interesting indeed. On a lighter note, a local NBC station advertised a special they will have this monday, about the 1-800-INFO-PET chips... only that parents are opting to have them implanted in their newborn children.

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