August 2002 - cypherpunks-legacy

Jamesd; the ex-trotskyists 'enemies list.'
by Matthew X 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

It's interesting to note a peculiar pattern that seems to be emerging: many of the biggest warmongers, in the post 9/11 era, are ex-nutballs of one sort or another who went "straight" and veered off into a more lucrative variety of extremism. Murawiec is merely the latest case. Think of David Horowitz, the ex-leftist cheerleader for the Black Panthers who now goes around lecturing blacks on their alleged "racism" and demanding all-out war on the Arab world. Think of Stephen Schwartz, the Weekly Standard's "expert" on Wahabism, who gave up the fringe politics of left-anarcho-Trotksyism to become a major theoretician of the Riyadh-as-"kernel of evil" school. How long were you a trot jamesd? 4 years?,5? Not that theres anything wrong with that.

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X-box crack
by Matthew X 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

http://www.politechbot.com/p-03864.html If anyone asks,(or subpoena's,yikes!) I am simply RESEARCHING present web vulnerabilities in relation to 'trust' in cyberspace. APster; who do you want to kill today?

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Homeland securities new agency;Ministerium für Statessicherheit.
by Matthew X 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

"Including informants, the Stasi at one point would number one operative for every 66 East German citizens; so ruthless and efficient were they in their efforts to squelch dissent that even the KGB found itself occasionally appalled by the Stasi's methods." http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0813337445/ref=pd_sim_books/104-0188… "Both IBM and Texas Instruments unknowingly employed Stasi spies who gathered information about computers and communications apparatus. Another group had developed a unique particle spray, similar to a chemical weapon, to spread over enemy communication stations and disrupt correspondence in case of war." Mmm. "Can you imagine a police informer for ever 6.5 persons in the country? All phones tapped. All packages/letters from the "outside" world opened and usually kept (stolen). Can you imagine spending your life in a 6x6 cell in total isolation. One young man (38y/o) lived for 9yrs, till his death, like that. Six medical students spent 3 to 11yrs in prison just for applying for a VISA! " Its getting easier.

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Re: Challenge to TCPA/Palladium detractors
by Eugen Leitl 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, David Howe wrote: > It doesn't though - that is the point. I am not sure if it is simply > that there are timestamps in the final executable, but Visual C (to give > a common example, as that is what the windows PGP builds compile with) > will not give an identical binary, even if you hit "rebuild all" twice > in close succession and compare the two outputs, nothing having changed. I've just verified this also occurs on OpenSSL under RH 7.3 (gcc --version 2.96). I haven't done a binary diff, but I'm also suspecting a time stamp. Can anyone shed some light on this?

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SF Bay area to begin massive tracking of FasTrak commuters [ or if it is available , we will use or abuse it djf]
by Bill Stewart 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

The Fastrak system used for toll collections in San Francisco and other areas has found another use - monitoring traffic flow on freeways by tracking suckers\\\\\\\customers' cars when they're *not* in tollbooths. The system managers purport that they'll protect privacy by destroying any individually identifiable data after a day, and also keeping personal identification information separate from encrypted transponder IDs, but fundamentally, if they information's there, it's accessible and usable. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Farber [mailto:dave@farber.net] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 5:33 PM To: ip Subject: IP: SF Bay area to begin massive tracking of FasTrak commuters [ or if it is available , we will use or abuse it djf] http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-tracking-drivers0808aug… http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-tracking-drivers0808aug… Traffic System Causes Privacy Outcry By KAREN GAUDETTE Associated Press Writer August 8, 2002, 6:36 PM EDT OAKLAND, Calif. -- In about a month, traffic sensors being installed along San Francisco Bay area highways will be able to track a quarter million drivers along their commutes. Proponents say the $37 million enhancement to the region's electronic toll system will be a boon to commuters, providing motorists real-time information about some of the nation's worst road congestion via cell phone, radio or Internet. Traffic planners will be able to gather crucial data on problem areas. But despite government assurances, the new program is also raising fears that drivers' privacy will be invaded. Similar to systems in Houston and the New York region, the Bay area's FasTrak program already eases waits at toll plazas by enabling motorists to pay with electronic devices velcroed to the windshields of vehicles. Now, radio-based sensors mounted on highway signs every few miles will augment the devices' usefulness. To the dismay of some FasTrak users, monitoring is not optional. The only way to avoid triggering the sensors throughout nine Bay Area counties is to stash the transponder in its accompanying Mylar bag. Project leaders at the Metropolitan Transportation Commission say they're not interested in the movements of individual drivers, and have gone to great lengths to protect privacy, including encrypting the serial number of each transponder as its location is transmitted. Authorities promise to keep this data separate from the identities of FasTrak users and other information needed to make automatic monthly deductions from their bank or credit card accounts. "We're not tracking or trying to follow any individual car, just the overall traffic flow," TravInfo project manager Michael Berman said. But some drivers say having a more detailed traffic report isn't worth the sense that someone's watching. "I personally am a little creeped out by it," said interior designer Heidi Hirvonen-White, who crosses the Golden Gate Bridge commuting between Tiburon and San Francisco. "In today's society it seems like any sort of code or whatnot can be broken." Those in the automotive telematics industry say the Bay Area's "TravInfo" project is only the latest example of the growing phenomenon of remote monitoring. Many rental fleets and trucking companies already use satellite positioning systems to track cars and cargo. Companies promote similar products for keeping tabs on kids, Alzheimer's patients or cheating spouses. Washington is also promoting locator technology. By October, the Federal Communications Commission wants cell phones equipped with locator technology to help emergency responders find callers. That requirement will also enable authorities to track users, even calculating road speeds, said Ray Grefe, vice president of business development for telematics software company Televoke. "I think there are going to be some nasty court battles that come out of all of this stuff," Grefe said. Transponder data has already been used in court. In 1997, E-ZPass records helped show what kidnappers did to New Jersey restaurant millionaire Nelson Gross, whose BMW crossed the George Washington Bridge into Manhattan, where his beaten corpse was found. Another case involved a Connecticut rental car company that charged customers $150 each time a GPS receiver showed they were speeding. The company has since stopped the practice. Berman emphasized that the Bay Area system won't be used to track kidnappers or car thieves who happen to have FasTrak in their cars, let alone adulterers. The MTC -- along with its partners, the California Highway Patrol and the state transportation department -- has received no requests from law enforcement to tweak the system so drivers could be pursued, Berman said, adding, "I think if they were to request it, we would say no. That's not our job." But privacy advocates say that once the sensors are in place, there's nothing to prevent such a change. New laws imposed after Sept. 11 make it much easier for police to obtain such information. "Yes, they're building in limitations on the data use, but there's nothing to prevent them from changing the policies in the future," said Beth Givens, director of the San Diego-based Privacy Rights Clearinghouse. Each of the California system's sensors has two antennas. One continually sends out a radio pulse that "wakes up" when it hits a passing FasTrak transponder. The other antenna notes the transponder's serial number, and transmits it, using encryption, via cellular modem to the MTC's Travel Information Center in Oakland. Transponders beep as cars pass through toll plazas, but remain silent when they pass the sensors. All record of serials numbers stored in electronic files will be destroyed daily, leaving only general averages and patterns for later study, Berman said. In Texas, 1.5 million commuters use a similar traffic information service, said Artee Jones, spokesman for Houston TranStar, which incorporates similar privacy measures. While some FasTrak users remain troubled, few said they'd give up the shorter toll booth lines or discounts to avoid participating. Michael Pieri of Richmond said he has nothing to hide, but he'll still stash the transponder away between tolls. "That's fine if you volunteer for that," he said. "But involuntarily, I don't think it's a good thing at all." * __ On the Net: Metropolitan Transportation Commission: http://www.mtc.ca.gov TravInfo program: http://www.travinfo.org http://www.televoke.com Copyright ) 2002, The Associated Press For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/

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Utilizing Palladium against software piracy
by Lucky Green 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

I would like to again thank the Palladium team, in particular Peter Biddle, for participating in yesterday's panel at the USENIX Security conference on Palladium and TCPA. Unfortunately I do not have the time at the moment to write up the many valuable and informative points made during the panel discussion. I will, however, highlight one such issue: As Peter pointed out, while the Palladium effort was started to meet the content protection requirements of digital video content providers, he also pointed out that Microsoft and its Palladium group have so far been unable to determine a method in which Palladium could be utilized to assist in the efforts against application software piracy. As Peter mentioned, the Palladium team on several occasions had to tell the Microsoft's anti-piracy group that Palladium is unsuitable to assist in software (as distinct from content) licensing and anti-piracy efforts. Since Microsoft is not aware of a method to utilize the Palladium environment in the enforcement of software licenses, Peter argued, Microsoft does not intend to and will not utilize Palladium to assist in the enforcement of software licensing. I, on the other hand, am able to think of several methods in which Palladium or operating systems built on top of TCPA can be used to assist in the enforcement of software licenses and the fight against software piracy. I therefore, over the course of the night, wrote - and my patent agent filed with the USPTO earlier today - an application for an US Patent covering numerous methods by which software applications can be protected against software piracy on a platform offering the features that are slated to be provided by Palladium. --Lucky Green

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by steve 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

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Re: USENIX Security TCPA/Palladium Panel Wednesday
by AARG! Anonymous 08 Aug '02

08 Aug '02

Lucky Green writes: > The slides of the talk on TCPA that I gave over the weekend at DEFCON > are now available at http://www.cypherpunks.to Amazing claims you are making there. Claiming that the TPM will be included on "all future motherboards"; claiming that an objective is to meet the operational needs of law enforcement and intelligence; claiming that TCPA members (all 170 of them?) have more access to his computer than the owner; fantasizing about an "approved hardware list" and "serial number revocation list" which don't exist in the spec(!); further fantasies about a "list of undesirable applications" (where do you get this stuff!). On page 16, the OS is going to start the secure time counter (but TCPA has no secure time feature!); synchronize time against authenticated time servers (again, no such thing is in the spec); and download the hardware and serial number revocation lists (nothing exists like this!). I honestly don't understand how you can say this when there is nothing like it in the TCPA specification. Are you talking to insiders about a future revision? Do you know for a fact that TCPA will hae SNRL's and such in the future? Or are you just being political, trying to increase pressure on TCPA *not* to go with serial number revocation lists and the like, by falsely claiming that this is in the design already?

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PR CONDEMNS FEDERAL INDICTMENT OF LYNNE STEWART.
by Matthew X 08 Aug '02

08 Aug '02

The National Lawyers Guild condemns yesterday's federal indictment of New York attorney Lynne Stewart and the impact on attorney-client privilege that it will have. The Sixth Amendment of the U.S Constitution protects attorney-client privilege, without which there can be no effective assistance of counsel. "Stewart is a veteran criminal defense attorney who often represents both controversial causes and unpopular clients. The government seems to be singling her out as poster child for its campaign to justify the unconstitutional monitoring of conversations between lawyers and inmates. This is clearly designed to have a chilling effect on lawyers zealously representing their clients," said Bruce Nestor, President of the National Lawyers Guild. For three years the New York FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force has been investigating Stewart, an attorney for Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, who has been serving a life plus 65-year sentence. This fall the government announced a new rule that purports to allow the Bureau of Prisons to monitor conversations between lawyers and inmates deemed threats of committing future acts of violence or terrorism. In October the National Lawyers Guild submitted comments opposing the new rule although the Bureau of Prisons is enforcing the rule even prior to the usual "notice and comment" democratic input process. "In addition to undermining the principle of attorney-client privilege, John Ashcroft's recent actions, including yesterday's indictment, may have a chilling effect on lawyers who want to represent politically active clients but are afraid of being singled out by the government for surveillance," said Nestor. Stewart and three others were charged yesterday with providing material support to terrorists. Last December, Ashcroft said, "to those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: your tactics only aid terrorists." Ashcroft appears to have expanded this now to include legal advocacy. The Guild is launching a campaign of legal organizations around the country to join in opposing this indictment and its attack upon attorney-client privilege. http://www.nlg.org/ The State will pay dearly for this.There wont be any 'truth and rec' commissions.

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Corralito's police log.
by Matthew X 08 Aug '02

08 Aug '02

Well its close to Mongo's mate Kurt Saxon's 19th century pad at Eureka... http://www.arcataeye.com/police/ Grab a donut and scroll...think of the donut,not the hole. Then http://www.9622.net/admin/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=604 Interactivity or occupational therapy? Who cares if it keeps them off the streets. AP could be based on a protocol that consists of zero-knowledge proofs, undeniable signatures and oblivious transfers.But it wouldn't be APster.

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