August 2002 - cypherpunks-legacy

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28 Aug '02

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Re: Startups, Bubbles, and Unemployment
by Tim May 28 Aug '02

28 Aug '02

On Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 06:36 AM, Matt Curtin wrote: > Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> presumably wrote: > > [I'm not sure if Tim actually wrote the following, as a splat > proceeded the "Back" but nothing else in the paragraph. Apologies in > advance if I'm misattributing.] This is a problem as articles get bounced around, sometimes to some of the many similar lists run by one person. > >> Back in the 1970s and early 80s, high tech start-ups were difficult >> to do. It took some really good ideas, or at least the departure of >> a talented group of people who had already developed >> something. Examples like Sun and Cisco are examples of where the >> core technology had already been developed (Stanford, in both cases) >> and where the companies could begin to SELL PRODUCTS almost >> immediately. > > I cannot help but wonder how the cycle of "start company, get > financing, hire friends, build stuff, retire rich" was influenced by > increasingly Draconian intellectual property agreements and whatnot. > I was too young for gainful employment in the 1970s, but maybe some > folks who worked in high technology at that time could shed some > light. I'm particularly interested to know whether this "we all of > your thoughts" business came about as a result of people going out on > their own to sell products they developed on their own time while in > another technology company's employ. I was there, at Intel, and will give you my thoughts on this. * When there were about 10 chip companies, extensive patent cross-licensing deals had been struck (mostly in the 1960s). There _were_ a few lawsuits (notably Fairchild suing others for violating the "oxide isolation" patents), but not many. * The focus on patents was minimal. Trade secrets were much more important. I can tell you that Intel had several tricks ("Getter III V-over-I," "Pyroglass," "Dip-back," special equipment custom-built, proprietary CAD systems long before CAD companies existed, etc.) that were not patented, just kept secret. Something crypto folks ought to appreciate. * The focus on patents was so low that our patent guy, Ed Taylor, kept his office in LA and only came up to Santa Clara a few times a year. Mostly he discouraged the filing of patents, and certainly middle managers did not encourage engineers to waste time trying to get patents. I got one during this time. A friend of mine was told not to bother to file for a patent on something that other chip companies later (two years later) were trumpetting as their patented invention. * Things began to change for many reasons. *First, the entry of the Japanese, Taiwanese, and Koreans into the market. They had not be party to the cross-licensing deals. * Second, some American companies only peripherally involved in chips attempted to sue chip companies for violating their patents (a notable example being the Hughes Corporations suits against chip companies doing ion implantation...Hughes claimed that a patent they had gotten on ion implantation meant huge royalties were due them). * Third, patent portfolios came to be seen as valuable in takeovers, as part of the "good will" that could be charged for. Some large companies bought small companies just to acquire their patents. * It is not likely that patents and IP have had much effect on movement of people between companies. Just my opinion....I see as much moving as ever. > (I know not what Stanford's intellectual property rules are, but at > Ohio State, if you develop something significant while working there > and go off to take it to market, they're almost certain to want a > piece of that action. Stanford has gotten pieces of the action from many companies. This shows up in their holdings of stocks in those companies, reported on the Form 144 Insider pages on Yahoo and other places. In the case of CISCO and Sun, I don't know all of the details, but there were no lawsuits against either. As I said, my understanding is that Stanford said "Go ahead" to those seeking to commercialize their projects. > Somewhere during all of this time, the whole "push technology" > stupidity came about, and people wanted to know how our product > stacked up against "other push products", when it wasn't really > comparable to what most of the other guys were doing. Ah, "push technology," the buzzword of around 1997, just after set-top boxes and just before whatever. > Bootstrapping a company is hard if you don't have a bunch of money to > throw at it. And, I would argue, even harder if you DO have a bunch of money to throw at it! (I watched friends burn through $8 million as they sat around thinking cool thoughts. More germanely to this list, look at several crypto start-ups who threw tens of millions at problems.) > It is possible, but requires serious financial > discipline, throughout the company. People who expect to walk into a > job with super deluxe office space, a big support staff, and a huge > salary just aren't going to find a place in a company that's getting > itself off the ground. Scott McNealy makes a lot of money now, but if > that's what he demanded from Day One, he wouldn't be at Sun. And Sun, like many other successes, had very spartan office arrangements in the beginning. Then they got big. And bloated. Now they have an entire "campus," a much more campus-like campus than most companies have. But their stock is at $4.25 and the end is coming (IMO). > >> To close on a less bleak note, this is a fine time for people to >> "get back to basics." > > Crypto still has serious problems to solve. Key management is still a > big problem. User interfaces are a big problem. Integration with > non-hacker tools is a big problem. I have differing views on these points. But that's for another time. --Tim May "Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone. I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout" --Unknown Usenet Poster

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Call For Papers, First International Security In Storage Workshop
by Jim Hughes 28 Aug '02

28 Aug '02

Call for Papers First IEEE International Security In Storage Workshop December 11th, 2002 -- Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://ieee-tfia.org/sisw2002 Sponsored by the IEEE Computer Society Task Force on Information Assurance and the IEEE Security In Storage Working Group The ability to create large shared storage systems in a secure manner is an area that has received little formal research or results. A comprehensive, systems approach to storage security is required if storage consolidation is to succeed. This workshop serves as an open forum to discuss storage threats, technologies, methodologies and deployment. The workshop seeks submissions from academia and industry presenting novel research on all theoretical and practical aspects of designing, building and managing secure storage systems; possible topics include, but are not limited to the following: - Cryptographic Algorithms for Storage - Cryptanalysis of Existing and Proposed Systems and Protocols - Key Management for Storage Novel Implementations - Attacks on Storage Area - Networks and Storage Systems - Insider Attack Countermeasures - Standardization Approaches - Deployment of Secure Storage Mechanisms - Defining and Defending Trust Boundaries in Storage - Security in Federated Systems - Relating Storage Security to System and Network Security - Security for Internet Storage Service Providers The goal of the workshop is to disseminate new research, and to bring together researchers and practitioners from both governmental and civilian areas. Accepted papers will be published by IEEE Press in a proceedings volume. Program Co-Chairs - James Hughes (StorageTek, USA) - Jack Cole (US Army Research Laboratory, USA) Program Committee - Donald Beaver (Seagate, USA) - Randal Burns (Johns Hopkins University, USA) - Richard Chow (USA) - Peter Haas (University of Stuttgart, Germany) - Yongdae Kim (University of Minnesota, USA) - Ben Kobler (NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, USA) - Fabio Maino (Andiamo Systems, USA) - Ethan Miller (University of California Santa Cruz, USA) - David McGrew (Cisco Systems, USA) - Andrew Odlyzko (University of Minnesota, USA) - Tatsuaki Okamoto (NTT, Japan) - Jean-Jacques Quisquater (Universite Catholique de Louvain, Belgium) - Pierangela Samarati (University of Milan, Italy) - Rodney Van Meter (Nokia, USA) Submissions Papers must list all authors and affiliations, begin with a title, a short abstract, a list of key words, and an introduction. The introduction should summarize the contributions of the paper at a level appropriate for a non-specialist reader. Papers may be submitted in ASCII text, PostScript, PDF, HTML, or Microsoft Word. Papers should be at most 15 pages in length including the bibliography, figures, and appendices (using 10pt body text and twocolumn layout). Authors are responsible for obtaining appropriate clearances. Authors of accepted papers will be asked to sign IEEEcopyright release forms. Final submissions must be in camera-ready PostScript or PDF. Authors of accepted papers must guarantee that their paper will be presented at the conference. Papers that duplicate work that any of the authors have or will publish elsewhere are acceptable for presentation at the workshop. However, only original papers will be considered for publication in the proceedings. Important Dates Paper due: October 11, 2002 Notification of acceptance: November 1, 2002 Final papers due: November 25, 2002 Workshop: December 11, 2002 Submissions and questions should be sent electronically to James Hughes <jim(a)network.com> -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com

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Fort Detrick precursor sued.
by Matthew X 27 Aug '02

27 Aug '02

http://smh.com.au/articles/2002/08/27/1030053055881.html Court rejects compensation for Chinese victims August 28 2002 Tokyo: A Japanese court today rejected compensation claims by Chinese who were victims of wartime atrocities committed by Japan's notorious germ warfare unit. The civil suit had been brought by 180 Chinese plaintiffs who claim they are survivors or relatives of the victims of Japanese germ warfare attacks in Zhejiang and Hunan provinces from 1940 to 1942. They had sought an apology and damages of Y10 million ($A154,000) each from Tokyo for atrocities carried out by Unit 731, including "bombing" cities with plague, cholera and other germs. The Tokyo District Court rejected the claims while recognising the Japanese military had engaged in germ warfare. The Japanese government, which only acknowledged there was a Unit 731 decades after the end of World War II, says it knows nothing about its wrongdoings and has rejected related damages claims. It also argued individuals do not have the right of demanding compensation from a state they fought. Unit 731 was set up in Manchuria after the Japanese Kwangtung army formed a puppet state in northeastern China in 1931. With headquarters in Harbin, the 2,000-strong unit operated till the end of World War II as what some historians call a killing factory cultivating fatal germs and conducting live autopsy. It is blamed for the deaths of up to 10,000 Chinese and Allied prisoners of war (POWs), according to estimates in Japanese, Chinese and other studies. Records show people from China, Korea, Mongolia and Russia were used as guinea pigs there. Some members of the Unit have come forward in recent years to speak about the crimes. Yoshio Shinozuka, who joined the unit at the age of 16 and returned to Japan in mid-1950s after being released from a Chinese prison, has said the unit had been cultivating anthrax and other killer germs for use on the Chinese. He also confessed he had taken part in the vivisection of five Chinese individuals in a two-month period. "I still remember clearly the first live autopsy I participated in. I knew the Chinese individual we dissected alive because I had taken his blood once before for testing," he once said. Ordered to wash the man's body, which had turned totally black as he was infected with plague germs, Shinozuka "closed my eyes and forced myself to scrub the man's face with the deck brush." "I could not meet his eyes because of the hate he had in his glare at me." Those allegedly engaged in the germ warfare escaped punishment as the issue was not taken up at the 1946-48 International Military Tribunal for the Far East, better known as the Tokyo Trial. The war tribunal, often seen as the Pacific version of the Nuremberg trial of Nazi Germany's leaders, involved 28 leaders of Japan's prewar and wartime governments, of whom seven were sentenced to hang. http://smh.com.au/articles/2002/08/27/1030053055868.html Asia's Aushwizt archive.

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by R. A. Hettinga 27 Aug '02

27 Aug '02

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by Matthew X 27 Aug '02

27 Aug '02

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Defamatory email writers go free
by Matthew X 27 Aug '02

27 Aug '02

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/08/26/1030053026302.html Copycat offences feared after defamatory email writers go free Brisbane August 26 2002 Copycat offences were escalating after the culprits of malicious emails defaming a Brisbane High School principal and his deputy escaped investigation, the Queensland Opposition has said. Shadow Attorney-General Lawrence Springborg has criticised the government over Queensland legal blocks to police investigating a false website which accused the pair of child abuse. Both teachers remain on stress leave despite being cleared of any wrongdoing. Queensland Attorney-General Rod Welford earlier said Victorian law was hampering the investigation into who produced the Website, which allegedly emanated at a Victorian address. But Mr Springborg said Queensland law prevented Victorian police from securing a warrant to search the Victorian premises believed to be the source of the Website. He tabled a letter in Parliament from Queensland Police Commissioner Bob Atkinson in which he said Queensland law was the problem. "Victorian police advise that a search warrant cannot be obtained as the offence committed is classified as a summary offence (in Queensland)," Mr Atkinson said in the letter. Today, Mr Springborg said the law needed changing so others did not fall prey to malicious gossip. "There are more complaints about obscene emails from teachers at Brisbane public high schools, falsely claiming to be from their workmates," Mr Springborg said. "(The government) must take heed of the opposition's warning and provide a sufficient criminal deterrent for people who continue to spread malicious lies and gossip about other people." Mr Springborg is drafting a private members' bill to make defamation a criminal offence with a five year jail term. He said the Victorian law was five times stronger than Queensland law and if applied could have seen warrants issued against offenders. He blamed the Goss Labor government for taking defamation out of the Queensland criminal code. "The Goss Labor government weakened the defamation laws in 1995 and these recent cases prove that the decision was a massive mistake," Mr Springborg said. "In the age of the Internet, we are all increasingly vulnerable."

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