June 2002 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: [Reformatted] EuroNazis want to ban thoughtcrime
by Jim Choate 13 Jun '02

13 Jun '02

On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Eugene Leitl wrote: > Let's recapitulate. We have a downunder nutcase who's using this public > resource for private dumping ground, while posting *a lot* (including > profanity and casual death threats, iirc) and constantly changing his > email address, thus avoiding filtering. > > I don't propose the list policy to be changed, this particular forum > should be unmoderated. However, complaining to Matt's ISP (whose terms > he's clearly in violation with) and some grassroot pressure (if there are > 100 people on his list willing to send back each of his messages 10x, he's > dealing with a 1000x amplification factor on each and single of his > messages) seems to be in order. > > Does anyone see anything wrong with this plan? Yes, a major problem. Why are you to decide what is or is not relevant to the other list members? Why is it that instead of managing your own mailbox, and in the process promoting general peace (which you seem to be promoting by homogenizing the discussion in this forum), instead you feel it is better than your belief of what is or isn't relevant should be applied to all of us? It is clear you are not willing to allow us to reciprocate and decide what goes in your mailbox? So much for CACL individualism... The CACL Cypherpunk Contengent (CACL-CC ?) are a funny bunch. They promote freedom of speech and action based around individual choice. Yet when put in a position of conflict they use the same old 'force it all into one mold' strategies that they (supposedly) rail against. Why is it this contengent is the first to call for banning and filtering en masse? How odd. -- ____________________________________________________________________ When I die, I would like to be born again as me. Hugh Hefner ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com jchoate(a)open-forge.org www.open-forge.org --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Slashdot | Live via Satellite: NATO Aerial Surveillance Video (Encryption, Bandwidth)
by Jim Choate 13 Jun '02

13 Jun '02

http://slashdot.org/articles/02/06/13/028213.shtml?tid=172 -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ When I die, I would like to be born again as me. Hugh Hefner ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com jchoate(a)open-forge.org www.open-forge.org --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Pentagon OSI.
by Jim Choate 13 Jun '02

13 Jun '02

On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Aimee Farr wrote: > Great bloodshedding that "never happened" -- due to diplomacy and deception. > War is the means, not the ends. No, it's diplomacy by other means. War is only one means, not 'the' means as this would indicate. > Americans seem to confuse the two -- a Code Duello Culture. Well their political leaders do anyway. Not sure if it's consistent to equate the American people with their leaders. > The objective is to get the enemy to do our will. There is usually no single objective. Further, if your goal is anything other than peaceful co-existance any distinction between you and the enemy is specious. > "The enemy" is just an antagonistic interest, not "a country," as we have > been conditioned to think. Specious distinction. The agent pursuing the 'antagonistic interest' is a country in most cases (at least at the scale you are speaking of). > That embodies a range of choices, but perception > management, even if it involves deception, should be preferred to battle. Yeah, it's called politics. Stating the obvious again. -- ____________________________________________________________________ When I die, I would like to be born again as me. Hugh Hefner ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com jchoate(a)open-forge.org www.open-forge.org --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Of interest to many of you.
by measl＠mfn.org 13 Jun '02

13 Jun '02

>From an LEO friend: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:08:51 -0400 From: XXX(a)ZZZ-YYYY.com To: measl(a)mfn.org Sgt. Kevin Miller of the Detroit Police department has a plan for preventing violence. He wants school officials to ask kids what kinds of guns their parents keep at home and how they are stored, and he thinks that some parents should be reported to Child Protective Services based on these interrogations of minors without their parents' knowledge. Read about it at The Detroit Free Press site, http://www.freep.com/news/metro/nriley2_20020602.htm -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin(a)mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:08:51 -0400 From: CrystalRun(a)aol.com To: measl(a)mfn.org Subject: Re: FC: How to patent a Harvard scientist (his parents' idea) (fwd) Sgt. Kevin Miller of the Detroit Police department has a plan for preventing violence. He wants school officials to ask kids what kinds of guns their parents keep at home and how they are stored, and he thinks that some parents should be reported to Child Protective Services based on these interrogations of minors without their parents' knowledge. Read about it at The Detroit Free Press site, http://www.freep.com/news/metro/nriley2_20020602.htm

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(ADV) OTCBB: XCNT A Company On The Rise
by industrynews20022002＠yahoo.com.sg 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

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Handset Inventory!
by Carlo Rodriguez 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

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United Press International: Pakistan: More Americans arrested (fwd)
by Jim Choate 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=11062002-055122-5978r -- ____________________________________________________________________ When I die, I would like to be born again as me. Hugh Hefner ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com jchoate(a)open-forge.org www.open-forge.org --------------------------------------------------------------------

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From the recent past of Homeland defense
by Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_2033000/2033324.stm A new book reveals the 22-year effort by FBI director J Edgar Hoover to get Albert Einstein arrested as a political subversive or even a Soviet spy. Uncovered FBI files are revealed in a book by Fred Jerome who says it was a clash of cultures - Einstein's challenge and change with Hoover's order and obedience. >From the time Einstein arrived in the US in 1933 to the time of his death, in 1955, the FBI files reveal that his phone was tapped, his mail was opened and even his trash searched. (if only they had Osama)

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Delphi Forums Member Update (Membername: cypherpunks9)
by Delphi Forums 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

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FT.com Home US - US demands jeopardise Milosevic's war trial (fwd)
by Jim Choate 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&… -- ____________________________________________________________________ When I die, I would like to be born again as me. Hugh Hefner ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com jchoate(a)open-forge.org www.open-forge.org --------------------------------------------------------------------

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