November 2002 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Psuedo-Private Key (eJazeera)
by Tyler Durden 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

Well, the basic idea is to co-encrypt some "fake" data that looks like the real data, so that when they find it (using the key to the fake data of course) they'll figure you gave them the real key, because they won't know that there ever was a fake key leading to fake data. (And I suppose there's no reason not to allow for mutliple batches of fake data that get encrypted along with the real data.) And depending on the situation, the key-holder will decide whether to give them a key that destroys the real data, or that doesn't (and hides it). In some situations, the fake data could be something completely innocuous and unrelated to what "they" were looking for, or in other cases it could look like what they were looking for albeit with doctored information. >From: dmolnar <dmolnar(a)hcs.harvard.edu> >To: Tyler Durden <camera_lumina(a)hotmail.com> >CC: keith(a)nullify.org, <cypherpunks(a)lne.com> >Subject: Re: Psuedo-Private Key (eJazeera) >Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:49:55 -0500 (EST) > > > >On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: > > > to have a big jpg of a hand with middle finger extended...) More than >this, > > they will have unknowingly destroyed the real data. (Perhaps a 3rd key >is > > needed that DOESN'T destroy the original data, just 'hides' it a la > > Rubberhose.) > >The question I've seen asked about this is then -- how do you get them to >stop beating you? If they know you might have some number of duress keys, >one of which might undetectably hide the data, what stops them from >beating you until > > 1) you give them a key that shows them what they want to see > 2) you die > >Maybe this isn't that different from the ordinary unencrypted case, where >if they don't find it on your HD they can accuse you of burying disks in >the backyard or something. Or is the goal protecting the data and not >protecting your life? > >-David _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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RMS on "Treacherous Computing"
by Steve Mynott 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

"Who should your computer take its orders from? Most people think their computers should obey them, not obey someone else. With a plan they call "trusted computing", large media corporations (including the movie companies and record companies), together with computer companies such as Microsoft and Intel, are planning to make your computer obey them instead of you. Proprietary programs have included malicious features before, but this plan would make it universal." <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html> -- Steve Mynott <steve(a)tightrope.demon.co.uk>

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Onion Self-Censorship
by Eric Cordian 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

Cable News is reporting that the Onion, America's Finest News Source, has pulled from its Web site an article on the recent siege at the Moscow theatre by Chechen rebels. Does anyone have a copy of the article they could post? I'd like to see what sorts of comments about "terrorism" are unacceptable to publish, even as parody. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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20 Nov '02

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How IRS/TIGTA shares information with FBI
by Declan McCullagh 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

released today... http://www.gao.gov/cgi-bin/getrpt?GAO-03-50R

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Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne
by Tyler Durden 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

"As to dangerous, I find that most of the people using violence in this country are anti-drug, not pro." Can't exactly agree with ya' here. Just watch COPS...most of those actually committing stupid crimes are apparently pro-Alchohol. Pot? We can't have THAT be legalized now, or the CIA will lose a valuable source of covert action funding. >From: Jim Choate <ravage(a)einstein.ssz.com> >To: <cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com> >CC: Alif The Terrible <measl(a)mfn.org> >Subject: Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. >Who's ne >Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:50:09 -0600 (CST) > >On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Mike Diehl wrote: > > > As to drugs and employment. I'm glad to see that you recognized that a > > programer, like myself, has far fewer responsibilities than a (mere?) > > babysitter. But, I still don't want to go to work with someone who is >high > > on something. When people are high, they are unpredictable, and >potentially > > dangerous. Drugs are a form of escapism. > >That is complete and total bullshit. The fact -some- drugs have problems >doesn't equate to -all- drugs. > >Further, people are unpredictable in and of themselves. Drugs or no drugs. >As to dangerous, I find that most of the people using violence in this >country are anti-drug, not pro. > >When was the last time a group of pot heads kicked anyones door down? > > > -- > ____________________________________________________________________ > > We don't see things as they are, ravage(a)ssz.com > we see them as we are. www.ssz.com > jchoate(a)open-forge.org > Anais Nin www.open-forge.org > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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RE: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who 's ne
by Tyler Durden 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

"In school yard politics this edge is normally a weapon of some sort that can equalize the playing field (guns usually in the US, try going to an inner city public school for 2 years). Saddam sees this and that is what let him to develop those WMD, to equalize against a superior foe / bully" A good point from Mr Trei. I'd follow this up by saying that most kids, when getting that weapon, do not plan on using it, but hope that it's presence alone will act as a deterrent..."You c-c-can't push me around anymore 'cause I got THIS..." At the very least, it changes the nature of the discussion at the bargaining table (this is precisely what Mao meant by "Diplomacy comes out of the barrel of a gun". The problem with Saddam, however, is that he does have a track record of actually using such weapons, most notably with the Kurds (where he gassed a few 10s of thousands). Not a great scenario, no matter how you look at it. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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RE: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who 's ne
by Vincent Penquerc'h 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

> Israeli tanks aren't the ONLY things that kill someone's > kids. The whole > region has been at war for 100's of years. If Israel backed You do realize that the whole world has been at war for hundreds of years, do you ? Israel is now the bully in the region, and is conforted in keeping this role by the US support. This does not mean at all that this was always the case. Of course there were other bullies in the past, and possibly now too. This should not mean that this should excuse this particular bully. It is my opinion that, after the fall of the USSR, which I saw as a good thing, the US are now becoming much too dangerous and need to fall, too. Having two nuke crazed countries in the world was dangerous, but at least they were keeping tabs on each other. I am frankly scared of what the US are becoming today. Of their government's covert/overt manipulations, dishonesty, and violence. Of course, I do realize that they are not alone in this game, and that all others are doing the same kind of things. However, the US are now in a position to do this more easily, with more power, and still get away with it, which makes them so much more dangerous. They don't need actual weapons to maim any more. I just hope that Americans see this, and see that what they're going to get from this behavior isn't world domination, but either a genocide of half the planet, or a life in a bared wire world, with no freedom left, in a vain attempt to protect themselves against the rage they've patiently cultivated. -- Vincent Penquerc'h

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20 Nov '02

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Re: Vengeance Hacking the Watch List-- Monkeywrenching the Police State
by Tim May 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

On Tuesday, November 19, 2002, at 11:20 PM, Tim May wrote: > > * Add additional names...perhaps some in-laws, relatives, college > friends, or colleagues of those who are responsible for this Witch > Hunt. It may be unfortunate to implicate some "innocents," but broken > eggs are inevitable. Ideally, guilty parties, but the names can't be > too well-known, as this undercuts the plausibility of the document. And I should have added the obvious: add some Arabic names that are relatives of actual Arabs complicit in Washington's police state activities....perhaps the name of a college student son or daughter of an Ragheadistani assistant embassy official, that sort of thing. These names will blend in with the other Arabic-appearing names. Add your ideas! --Tim May ""Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined." --Patrick Henry

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