November 2002 - cypherpunks-legacy

Money for cypherpunks
by Lurline Bulger 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

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Yodels, new anonymous e-currency
by Nomen Nescio 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

According to this link, http://www.infoanarchy.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2002/11/11/4183/2039, a new form of digital cash called "yodels" is being offered anonymously: > Thanks to developments in anonymous communication, such as Freenet and the > invisible irc project, anonymous digital cash has become a reality. Yodel > Bank is offering 'yodels' as a form of currency you can exchange with > people who you've never met outside of anonymous means. For example, > you could pay for some web design or a hosting service anonymously, > play video poker with real anonymous money on iip, or make a donation to > a charity without disclosing who you are. Yodel Bank is relatively new, > but now that you can transfer money over IIP and Freenet, a real vibrant > anonymous economy is springing up, and it's unclear how goverments > will react to this 'private' banking. Also it remains unclear if an > Assassination Politics service will arise due to these technologies. Supposedly, then, this is cash which can be transferred anonymously via IIP or Freenet. Leaving aside the question of trusting an anonymous bank (trust takes time), the sticking point for ecash is how to transfer between yodels and other currencies. Without transferability, what gives yodels their value? > The author of Yodel Bank can be reached on IIP under the name yodel on > #yodel. He claims to be fully anonymous to the world, and has purchased > the domain name and hosting by using his currency. He understands that > trust is something that takes time to develop in an anonymous bank. I > definately suggest you give his service a try. So Mr. Yodel purchased his domain name (what domain name?) and his hosting by using yodels. If someone is selling these services for yodels, that could provide a limited basis for giving the currency value. An additional comment suggests that more information can be found at the Freenet address SSK@Mt3s3k7PCEUzbNW6zeI2oyRT0jgPAgM/yodel//. This is a "Freesite" and you need the Freenet software installed to access it.

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RE: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who 's ne
by Vincent Penquerc'h 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

> How can anyone claim that the U.S. or Israel or corporations or rich > Americans are morally worse than the likes of Hussein? ...I have to bow to the urge to answer.... Note that everything that was proposed is bombing. Killing innocents, in an attempt to make them revolt and overthrow their leaders so you don't have to do it. Nothing was attempted (or was said on this) for killing the only person. George W Bush is a criminal. He should be jailed. This doesn't mean I will bomb the hell out of the US until the Americans jail him. The US have a long history of killing other people (note, not just "bad/immoral/evil/whatever" people, just the ones that happen to stand between the current government of a country and a US client government (which is *not* a democratic government most of the time a you can see from history). Thus, why should I think the US is right attacking Iraq ? I see it as yet another shameless power grab accompanied by lots of PR to make it seem like the US are punishing the nasty villain. Somebody tell Dubya this ain't Hollowood. -- Vincent Penquerc'h

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14 Nov '02

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Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne
by Marshall Clow 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

[ I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but there might be someone out there who could benefit from this. ] Tyler Durden wrote: >Aside from this is the issue of continued American dependence on oil, a dependence that could be greatly reduced if we put our minds to it, but we seem to be so addicted to our current lifestyle that we would rather launch wars rather than face our internal issues. You blithely say "if we put our minds to it", as if that were a simple thing. [ Hint: Minds have been "put to it" before. ] For your amusement, here are a few dates from history: November 7, 1973 President Nixon launches Project Independence, with the goal of achieving energy self-sufficiency by 1980. April 18, 1977 President Carter announces National Energy Plan in his first major energy speech. Goal is to reduce oil imports by 65%, and to reduce energy growth to 2%/year. March 17, 1987 President Reagan's Energy Security Report outlines the Nation's increasing dependence on foreign oil. February 20, 1991 President Bush presents the Department's National Energy Strategy to Congress and the American people. -- -- Marshall Marshall Clow Idio Software <mailto:marshall@idio.com> Hey! Who messed with my anti-paranoia shot?

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RE: "Emergency Coercive Unit"
by Lucky Green 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

Tyler wrote: > b) Downstairs and across the street in front of Starbucks I > just saw two NYC > cops holding what looked like AK-47s...on their backs it said > "Emergency > Coercive Unit". A URL with pictures of that team would be appreciated. --Lucky

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OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's next?
by GaryJeffers＠aol.com 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's next? My fellow Cypherpunks, The purpose of the coming Iraq war is to steal their oil. After we get Iraq oil, which arab country is next? If U. State can get away with the theft of Iraq, then why not just keep on stealing? The beneficiaries of this war are: 1. United State: This has a double benefit. A. The U.S. (as a (w)hole) is bankrupt on paper and our economy is going to hell. Stealing the Arabian oil fields will stave off a U.S. collapse for at least several years. B. The U.S. State (im)proper. In various ways, U State will get more powerful and richer from this. 2. Corporations, connected. They will benefit both from war expenditures and from associating with the oil. 3. The ruling elite families. They will get even richer from the oil money funneled from the chosen corporations. Also, as the State gets power, they get power. 4. The Zionists. Israel will probably get more land and oil fields unless the treacherous Bush family betrays them. The Israeli Jews will probably just suffer. The ruling Elites really don't care about their sponsors :-( Well, at least the Jews will get a symbolic victory :-) For proofs and more information visit the excellent site: http://www.WHATREALLYHAPPENED.com Yours Truly, Gary Jeffers BEAT STATE!!!! and the ruling elites.

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Re: Codetalking in the South Pacific?
by Tyler Durden 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

Oh yeah, another thing I wanted to ask about, before I forget. It's somewhat well-known that throughout the South pacific, there are "radio stations" that do nothing but broadcast the real-time reading of number sequences, but no one seems to know just why. And these number sequences do not seem to be recordings...every station has a different voice, and the number sequences never repeat. So it would seem that they are being read in real time by natives employed at various islands. Anyone know what the heck those things are? There's actually a 3-CD collection available of the number broadcasts. >From: "Major Variola (ret)" <mv(a)cdc.gov> >To: "cypherpunks(a)lne.com" <cypherpunks(a)lne.com> >Subject: Codetalking, private business, harassment, EEOC, freedom of >speech/association >Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:01:25 -0800 > >[Summary: Navajo is banned by employer because employees are being rude >in that language. >So the EEOC objects. Ironies: Navajo, codetalkers, feds. EEOC >harassing employer who is trying to prevent harassment (in Navajo) of >others.] > > > >English group enters Navajo language fray > >From the National Desk >Published 11/12/2002 5:59 PM >View printer-friendly version > >PHOENIX, Nov. 12 (UPI) -- The legal dispute over an Arizona restaurant's >rule banning employees from >speaking Navajo on the job drew the participation Tuesday of a national >organization that advocates English >as the official language of the United States. The suit was the first >filed by the EEOC to involve a Native >American language. > ><snip> >http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20021112-044422-7977r > >[Libscoop: since neither employers nor employees should be coerced, the >employers can morally >require what they want, and the employees can shop for employment >uncoerced too. Meddling >DC-bureaucrats should be tomahawked at the door; after being told to >leave in Esperanto.] _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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