October 2002 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: FC: Privacy villain of the week: DARPA's gait surveillance tech (fwd)
by Eugen Leitl 27 Oct '02

27 Oct '02

On Sun, 27 Oct 2002, Bill Stewart wrote: > Sigh. If people are going to beat up on BrinWorld, at least they > should get it right. Brin's Transparent Society stuff makes two points > - Cameras, networks and similar technology are going to keep getting cheaper, > so you're going to lose your privacy. Give up on that now. You're going to die anyway. Kill yourself now. Non sequitur. If the development doesn't happen you don't have a case. If hardware gets cheaper but is not deployed because voters value their privacy you have no case. If countermeasures are legal you have no case. The same technology driving global surveillance also offers advent of countermeasures. I mentioned anonymous telepresence hardware proxies, and sooner or later telepresence is going to become the preferred means of interaction, and much later complete redesign of our hardware platform at molecular scale will become possible. This will take time to develop. We don't need power-crazy maniacs ruining it for everybody, really. > - Governments _are_ going to take advantage of this, like it or not, Governments are not complete juggernauts. They're somewhat controllable. It's surveillance that gives them the ultimate power to squash opposition. You included. Don't give them the means voluntarily. Fight. > so what the public has to do is make sure that we're allowed to > watch the government as well. Dream on. Here's the point where Brin's assumptions break down. I can give you a long list why this won't work. > Brin may be naively optimistic about our ability to succeed on the second part, > but he's spot on about the asymmetry of power relationships, > and he's constantly making the point that we can only watch the government > if we force them to let us watch - the alternative is that they'll be > watching us and we won't be watching them. > > Delaying technology? It's easier to do on stuff that doesn't work well, You can delay both development and deployment. If you delay it long enough it will no longer have the bite it would currently have. > and it sounds like this doesn't - perhaps the way to do it is to > deflect the research away from surveillance into medical directions; > since Darpa's funding it, get them to look at how to help soldiers carry > heavy backpacks safely or spooks to carry dead bodies safely or whatever. Political decisions could kill the demand driving development. Cheapest way for the fringe is to inform and develop countermeasures. Since cypherpunks no longer code, spreading information should have priority.

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Re: FC: Privacy villain of the week: DARPA's gait surveillance tech (fwd)
by Bill Stewart 27 Oct '02

27 Oct '02

[Sorry about any duplicated - lne.com spam-blocked me the first time.] At 01:34 PM 10/27/2002 +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: >Advent of another technology wide deployment of which we must delay as >long as possible. ... >Unfortunately, brinistas welcome this development because they idiotically >assume that the technology enables symmetrically, or even assymentrically >in favour of the governed vs. the government. Their arguments sound >superficially convincing to those unfamiliar with the political process >and the logics of power flow. This is the reason they're doing the wrong >thing for the right reasons. Supply the missing part of the argument >whenever you see Brinworld meme propagating. Sigh. If people are going to beat up on BrinWorld, at least they should get it right. Brin's Transparent Society stuff makes two points - Cameras, networks and similar technology are going to keep getting cheaper, so you're going to lose your privacy. Give up on that now. - Governments _are_ going to take advantage of this, like it or not, so what the public has to do is make sure that we're allowed to watch the government as well. Brin may be naively optimistic about our ability to succeed on the second part, but he's spot on about the asymmetry of power relationships, and he's constantly making the point that we can only watch the government if we force them to let us watch - the alternative is that they'll be watching us and we won't be watching them. Delaying technology? It's easier to do on stuff that doesn't work well, and it sounds like this doesn't - perhaps the way to do it is to deflect the research away from surveillance into medical directions; since Darpa's funding it, get them to look at how to help soldiers carry heavy backpacks safely or spooks to carry dead bodies safely or whatever.

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Re: FC: Privacy villain of the week: DARPA's gait surveillance tech (fwd)
by Morlock Elloi 27 Oct '02

27 Oct '02

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Wetwork: Re: Pro-privacy senator dies in crash
by Major Variola (ret) 27 Oct '02

27 Oct '02

Few problems cannot be solved via the discrete use of wetwork... Referenced JC: WASHINGTON--Sen. Paul Wellstone, a Minnesota Democrat who fought to bolster Americans' privacy rights and limit government surveillance of the Internet, was killed in a plane crash on Friday afternoon. Wellstone, 58, was an unapologetic liberal who was elected in 1990 and opposed the Gulf War, sought to increase the minimum wage, and envisioned a tax-funded health care system. He was enmeshed in a tight re-election bid this year. http://news.com.com/2100-1023-963440.html?tag=fd_top

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FC: Privacy villain of the week: DARPA's gait surveillance tech (fwd)
by Eugen Leitl 27 Oct '02

27 Oct '02

Advent of another technology wide deployment of which we must delay as long as possible. In absence of rentable cryptographically anonymized telepresence proxies it is provably impossible to completely hide all unique fingerprints of a human, or even a complex mass-produced artifact. Such a composite fingerprint will be impossible to fake and is impossible to change without completely remaking the object of measurement. (Try changing your body odor (MHC is genome-encoded and is the target of the immunosystem), or rewire parts of CNS in control of your motorics). While all current technologies are extremely limited in their capabilities and have a high error rate this is not intrinsic to the principle. Such systems can be eventually made to work sufficiently well for practice. This is being made possible by further falling technology costs in regards to mass fabbing, crunch and cheap ubiquitous wireless. Where's light, there's shadow. Unfortunately, brinistas welcome this development because they idiotically assume that the technology enables symmetrically, or even assymentrically in favour of the governed vs. the government. Their arguments sound superficially convincing to those unfamiliar with the political process and the logics of power flow. This is the reason they're doing the wrong thing for the right reasons. Supply the missing part of the argument whenever you see Brinworld meme propagating. Your best angle to delay this is to circulate this information widely, and explain its potential impact to technologically naive. Write (personalized dead tree, no electronic communication) to your political representatives. No technical solution will work in absence of laws making it legal. Once countermeasures are made illegal the development is basically irreversible. Catch it before it's too late. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 01:36:42 -0400 From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: politech(a)politechbot.com Subject: FC: Privacy villain of the week: DARPA's gait surveillance tech See also: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38775,00.html ---

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