October 2002 - cypherpunks-legacy

License to POP3 (was Re: Usenet vs. web for avoiding censorship)
by Morlock Elloi 14 Oct '02

14 Oct '02

The main difference, the axis along which one classifies maillists/usenet/weblogs is the control. On usenet, once the site agrees to carry a newsgroup, you have many entry points and automatic distribution that is next to impossible to choke (other than with noise.) Maillists are more controllable (as even cypherpunk nodes experienced) but and probably the least bad solution so far. And they are not much different from usenet - fewer "newsgroups" (you decide what you want) and you are your own server. With today's connectivity and computing resources, smaller maillists (seeral hundred subscribers) don't really need servers (exploders) - just a shared recipient list. Very censorship-resistant. Weblogs are at the mercy of site operators and extremely vulnerable to moronship and censorship. This means that the Next Big Attack From Them will be on the e-mail. It's far too easy for everyone today to bear arms, I mean have an e-mail interface. ===== end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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Re: What good are smartcard readers for PCs
by Kevin Elliott 14 Oct '02

14 Oct '02

-- James A. Donald> > > Increasingly however, we see smartcard interfaces sold for > > PCs. What for, I wonder? On 24 Sep 2002 at 1:41, Bill Stewart wrote: > I'm not convinced that the number of people selling them is > closely related to the number of people buying; this could be > another field like PKIs where the marketeers and cool > business plans never succeeded at getting customers to use > them. On 24 Sep 2002 at 19:12, Peter Gutmann wrote: > Companies buy a few readers for their developers who write > software to work with the cards. [...] Eventually the > clients discover how much of a bitch they are to work with > [....] users decide to live with software-only crypto until > the smart card scene is a bit more mature. > > Given that n_users >> n_card_vendors, this situation can keep > going for quite some time. I have found that the administrative costs of PKI are intolerable. End users do not really understand crypto, and so will fuck up. Only engineers can really control a PKI certificate, and for the most part they just do not. In principle the thingness of a smartcard should reduce administrative costs to a low level -- they should supposedly act like a purse, a key, a credit card, hence near zero user training required. The simulated thingness created by cryptographic cleverness should be manifested to the user as physical thingness of the card. Suppose, for example, we had working Chaumian digicash. Now imagine how much trouble the average end user is going to get into with backups, and with moving digicash from one computer to another. If all unused Chaumian tokens live in a smartcard, one might expect the problem to vanish. The purselike character of the card sustains the coin like character of Chaumian tokens. Of course if one has to supply the correct driver for the smart card, then the administration problem reappears. USB smartcard interfaces could solve this problem. Just plug them in, and bingo, it should just go. Ummh, wait a moment, go where, do what? What happens when one plugs in a USB smartcard interface? Still, making crypto embodied in smart cards intelligible to the masses would seem to be a soluble problem, even if not yet solved, whereas software only crypto is always going to boggle the masses. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG UpBeNFF1UW7r7Fw8pVMxQG+xJ3mwsngHIp62BxL6 4D+u3ZM5e1JbeYAKaQ4dhOQrlZ42vq05cfz83rnCZ -- _____________________________________________ Remember Kids- Somebody tries to kill you, you try and kill'em right back... _____________________________________________ Kevin Elliott <mailto:kelliott@mac.com> ICQ#23758827

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Re: What good are smartcard readers for PCs
by Kevin Elliott 14 Oct '02

14 Oct '02

Hey don't forget you can still buy a smart card reader from that most cypherpunkish of babes BRITNEY SPEARS ! Only $30 ! https://www.visiblevisitors.com/mltest/order_form.asp -- _____________________________________________ Remember Kids- Somebody tries to kill you, you try and kill'em right back... _____________________________________________ Kevin Elliott <mailto:kelliott@mac.com> ICQ#23758827

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14 Oct '02

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Re: was: Echelon-like resources..
by Tyler Durden 13 Oct '02

13 Oct '02

"Yes: The factory was bombed, but actual deaths were one night watchman, "not tens of thousands"," Well, you haven't given me a very convincing argument here. In most of his writings, Chomsky makes it clear that the deaths were not due to the bomb, but the loss of medicine (such as penecillin) in Sudan's only pharmecuetical factory. "Or the fact that Nicaruaga brought the > > US before the world court and won? > >Perhaps that was true," Uh...perhaps? That should be a very easy thing to find out, and as the accusation and conviction were quite damming, and as you claim Chomsky regularly "lies" on many of his citations, I would have thought that this at least would be one citation you'd check. Got to say...I'm a busy man, and you haven't even said anything meriting even the investigaion of your dis-chomsky web page. >From: James Donald <jamesd127(a)yahoo.com> >To: cypherpunks(a)lne.com >Subject: Re: was: Echelon-like resources.. >Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 11:57:24 -0700 (PDT) > >Tyler Durden > > As for Chomsky lying, can you give us > > some specific citations? Did he lie > > about our support for Sadam Hussein? > >No > > > Our support for Indonesia? > >Yes > > > Our bombing of the sudanese > > pharmacuetical factory? > >Yes: The factory was bombed, but actual >deaths were one night watchman, "not tens >of thousands", and he asserted that the >Sudanese government are the good guys in >the civil war, and their opponents >terrorists. > > > Or the fact that Nicaruaga brought the > > US before the world court and won? > >Perhaps that was true, but pretty much >everything else he reported on Nicaragua >was a lie, for example that the >Sandinistas won free elections, and that >the contras were a creation of the US, >and that the Sandinistas were more >popular than the contras. > > > Granted, Chonskty can be a little > > tiring on the ears, but my knee-jerk > > reaction towards your calling him a > > liar is that you misunderstood the > > citation. But then again, I could be > > wrong, so do give us some examples, eh? > >See my web page "Chomsky lies" >http://www.jim.com/chomsdis.htm >Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More >http://faith.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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Re: was: Echelon-like resources..
by Eugen Leitl 13 Oct '02

13 Oct '02

On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, Sunder wrote: > Of course, for all you and I really know that could have been an Anthrax > factory cleverly disguised as as a pharmaceuticals factory, but we can put > up rethorical questions and answers such as these for the next millenia > and not get anywhere either. Exactly. So let's stop burning synapses on trivialities of daily politics. Being too out of touch is never advisable, but taking a deliberate vacation every now and then from the mass media sometimes pays.

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Re: was: Echelon-like resources..
by Sunder 13 Oct '02

13 Oct '02

> Yes: The factory was bombed, but actual > deaths were one night watchman, "not tens > of thousands", and he asserted that the > Sudanese government are the good guys in > the civil war, and their opponents > terrorists. And how many of their citizens have or will die due to lack of those very same pharamceuticals that the bombed factory can no longer produce? Or suffer from disease due to the same? Perhaps not tens of thousands, but more than just the single night watchman, I'd say. The point isn't how many deaths, but what collateral damage was done. Not just in the sense of civilian casualties, but also the damage inflicted on those by the effect of not having said facility around. Of course, for all you and I really know that could have been an Anthrax factory cleverly disguised as as a pharmaceuticals factory, but we can put up rethorical questions and answers such as these for the next millenia and not get anywhere either.

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13 Oct '02

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